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Manga vs Anime: Episode 26 “Stenka”

Sorry, I’m beyond late, maybe because after such a nice start I was greatly disappointed. Anyway let’s start with Ep 2 of the 3rd series… which is the 26 Golden Kamuy animated episode with a warning...

Some data first.

This episode last 23:40 minutes and has an opening and an the ending. It covers 4 chapters of the manga, chap 144, 145, 146 & 147 for a total of around 77 pages (I’m discounting the covers) basically covering most of Vol 15.

The episode is titled ‘Stenka’, which is an original title for the anime, chap 140 being ‘The match of the century’, chap 141 being ‘Mister Loose Cannon’, chap 142 being ‘Russian-style steam bath, Banya’ and chap 143 being ‘Don’t kill the sea lions!’.

And now into the anime.

AFTER THE MATCH

Manga & Anime: Gansoku is about to leave the place in which Sugimoto and the others have fought when Sugimoto stops him. The two exchange some small talk, Gansoku congratulating for the match and Sugimoto asking him if he’ll take part to the stenka too, then proposes an handshake which he uses to value Gansoku’s strength. Gansoku leaves and Sugimoto is joined by the others but refuses to tell what has just happened although Tsukishima looks at Gansoku suspiciously.

There are just some minor differences:

- In the manga is implied Gansoku is walking away while in the anime he’s standing there, perfectly still.

- In the manga we see Sugimoto in the distance so it’s impossible to judge his expression. In the anime the camera is much closer to him but he has his hat so low it’s impossible to see his eyes, which makes him look threatening.

- Gansoku seems a lot more friendly in the manga, looking at Sugimoto with shining eyes. Sugimoto has a speculative expression as he talks to him, but he’s smiling and his question causes Gansoku’s eyes to darken. However they go back on friendly expressions when they handshake. In the anime they add a close up of Sugimoto’s eyes and then of Gansoku, making the atmosphere more tense also with the use of the music. They don’t show Sugimoto’s expression as he talks, in favour of showing he’s moving closer. Gansoku also remains serious, smiling only for a moment and we won’t see Sugimoto’s smiling expression until we’re shown they’re holding hands and their… aura? Is all around the place.

- In the manga we can speculate Tanigaki and the others came there walking calmly. In the anime they’re shown walking hurriedly, searching for Sugimoto.

My two cents: The anime idea to make Sugimoto look threatening when he calls Gansoku is interesting because it might lead the viewer into thinking he’ll attack him, surprising the viewer when it doesn’t happen… however they dragged the tense atmosphere too long, with Gansoku being too serious and Sugimoto too threatening. Even the others reaching the place running seems to set up the scene for something big and scary that just… doesn’t happen. While it’s an interesting interpretation of the scene and an idea to raise tension, overall it lacks the atmosphere of the manga, in which Sugi and Gansoku appreciated each other, which will end with Gansoku and Sugimoto being friends and ultimately all the big tension of the anime ends up in nothing. But well, they tried and the flame effect is nice.

THE OPENING STARTS HERE

THE TAVERN

Manga & Anime: The Russian guy who’s in charge of the stealing of the dog tells Sugimoto’s group that rumours about them have spread and people view them as the guys who might beat the tattooed man. As the tattooed man will fight that night the Russian guy wants Sugimoto’s group to lose on purpose so he’ll gain a lot of money. To Cikapasi demanding to have the dog back he answer he’ll do so after they lose the match. At this Sugimoto attacks him, pushing him on the ground and ripping his hair. Tanigaki asks how Karafuto Ainu punish people and Enonoka explains they cut fingertips. The Russian says he’ll tattle them out to the tattooed man. The boys are not impressed. Koito says first they’ll slice his fingertips one by one until they get the dog back and then kill and bury him. Then they’ll go to the stenka, drag the tattooed man outside and kill and skin him. The Russian guy tells them he has info on Kiro. Tsukishima shows him Kiro’s photo. Sugimoto is interested but Koito would like to start cutting his fingers. Sugimoto tries to stop him, Koito, Tanigaki and Tsukishima agree that the Russian can’t be trusted but Sugimoto says he can’t ignore the man might have info that will take him to Asirpa.

There are just some minor differences:

- In the manga, although it’s Tsukishima who’s speaking, it’s implied the Russian talk in between Tsukishima’s translations (we see his mouth open and the visual tells us he’s saying something). In the anime the Russian’s mouth is always close and Tsukishima does this long, long translation all at once.

- In the anime they added a creepy shoot of Sugimoto’s eyes before he jumps on the Russian.

- In the manga the Russian is just sweating. In the anime the Russian is drawn completely terrorized, his face becomes blue and his jaw starts to tremble. He shuts his eyes as he screams he has still info on Kiro.

- In the manga when Tsukishima shows Kiro’s photo we get a panel with Sugimoto and then Koito says they’ll cut the Russian’s finger. In the anime we move from Tsukishima showing the photo to Koito saying they’ll cut his finger.

- In the manga Sugimoto had a normal expression as he said he couldn’t ignore chances that would lead him to Asirpa, Asirpa being in the background. In the anime he looks like he’s ready to start a fight and there’s no image of Asirpa.

- After Sugimoto says he can’t ignore chances to find Asirpa in the anime Koito put away his blade. In the manga there’s no such scene.

My two cents: I get they wanted to save time not showing the Russian speaking and then Tsukishima translating but the translation is so long it seems impossible the man said all that and then Tsukishima remembered it all perfectly and did a translation. It just feels as Tsukishima is monologuing instead than translating. Well, at least they let the guy speak afterward but the start is still pretty weak. To make up for it they handled it pretty well when it was Koito speaking and Tsukishima translation. Tanigaki’s ears are drawn very poorly and the same can be said for Koito in some scenes. I’m not sure what’s up with making Sugimoto’s group so scary. The Russian here is terrorized, where in the manga despite not being in a good position he was still in control. He’s a guy dealing with crime, possibly a criminal himself, and it makes more sense if he can remain calm in such a situation. Even the scene in which they show the Russian the photo in the manga looked less creepy. As Sugimoto was shown in between Tsukishima and Koito we could assume there was a pause in which the Russian had been given the time to speak and said nothing, leading Koito and the others to think he lied when he said he had info. In the anime there’s no such feeling and, although Tsukishima shows him the photo they immediately disbelieve him, making me wonder why showing him the photo in the first place.

PRIOR TO THE NEW MATCH

Manga & Anime: So Sugimoto’s group shows up at the stenka match where Gansoku drops his coat, so that they recognize him for a tattooed convict.

There are just some minor differences:

- In the manga Gansoku’s face is in the dark. In the anime it’s not.

My two cents: Nothing to say here, just that the anime seems to enjoy showing the boys.

WARNING: The anime decided to place in this episode Gansoku’s comments about what’s for him stenka and info about his past. In the manga this was showed previously, while Sugimoto’s group was having its first stenka match.

GANSOKU’S TWO CENTS ABOUT STENKA AND HIS PAST

Manga & Anime: Gansoku explains for him stenka is a form of self expression then explains that since he chose to express himself through violence the world didn’t understood him and he ended up in jail. But he was happy there due to it being a violent place, with Ushiyama being the only one capable to stop him, although he enjoyed the moments in which he stopped Ushiyama

There are just some minor differences:

- In the manga, Gansoku speaks looking straight ahead himself, with his silly excited expression with shining stars around him. In the anime he’s just serious and dramatical, looking up in the air.

My two cents: In the manga of course they use just one image to show Gansoku being restrained by Ushiyama but using a still image in the anime for this scene instead than… well, animating it, feels pretty bad. I mean they animated more the scene in which Gansoku is receiving the praises of the convicts for beating Ushiyama than that scene.

BEFORE THE FIGHT

Manga & Anime: Gansoku removes his glasses and turn and Tsukishima and Co recognize him for the man who was talking with Sugimoto. They question Sugimoto who doesn’t reply so Tsukishima figures Sugimoto just wanted to fight with him. Tanigaki asks what are they going to do with the match, if they’re gonna lose on purpose and Tsukishima points out Sugimoto clearly doesn’t want to do it. Koito reminds them if they don’t they’ll lose the chance to get info on Kiro. Sugimoto says he has a brilliant plan to solve everything so they can fight as hard as they want.

My two cents: The transition between this scene and the last is so bad we don’t get we’ve switched. It’s not smooth, it’s confusing.

CIKAPASI AND ENONOKA IN ACTION

Manga & Anime: Cikapasi and Enonoka see the Russian that helped stealing the dog enter in a house. They think the Russian is there to guard the dog and plan to get it back themselves.

My two cents: This scene is very short but the anime paid attention to show the characters’ expressions and this is good.

THE FIGHT START

Manga & Anime: The fight starts. Sugimoto gets punched so hard he flies back. Gansoku says Sugimoto should tell him more about himself. Sugimoto reacts by punching him back.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga we’re shown first the ceiling of the place as the fighters are told they can fight, then we’re shown Sugimoto flying back. In the anime we get an image of Gansoku while he’s still, then we’re shown Sugimoto’s group getting ready and then Sugimoto running toward Gansoku while the other remain still, before Sugimoto flies back.

- In the manga, after Gansoku tells Sugimoto to teach him more about him, we see Sugimoto punching Gansoku silently. In the anime were first shown Sugimoto looking furious and making a roaring sound before punching Gansoku, still roaring.

My two cents: Well, they expanded the scene, which is not wrong per se but showing Sugimoto being the only one to charge while the others remain where they are feels a little off. In the manga at least we don’t know how Sugimoto got himself punched back.

CHAP 144 ENDS HERE

THE STENKA CONTINUES

Manga and anime: The guy keeps on fighting but Sugimoto is starting to show weird signs, he falls on one knee, when another fighter stumbles against him he punches him, later he starts repeating ‘I’. Meanwhile Tsukishima, Koito and Tanigaki have beaten the other Russians so Gansoku tells them they should attack him together. He still pushes them all on the ground and then enjoys the people cheering for him when Sugimoto kicks him, causing him to fall. The people complain, saying it’s not stenka while Sugimoto begins to attack Tanigaki and Co as well. The people also try to attack Sugimoto and get punched away. Chaos ensues.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga Sugimoto is shown standing on his own. In the anime Tanigaki sort of supports him, resting his hand on Sugimoto’s shoulder. Also, Koito and Tsukishima’s positions are switched.

My two cents: Again the anime decides to go for a still image when the people has also joined the fight.

Really, guys this is animation not a manga. Animate those scenes! The rest is more or less faithful enough, although Sugimoto is creepier than the manga and there’s also more blood spraying around. On a personal note the ‘ore-ore’ scene reminded me more of “Hokuto no Ken” than of “Jojo no kimyou na bouken”, from which it was meant to be inspired but maybe it’s just me (and, after all, Jojo was inspired by Ken…).

SUGIMOTO LOSES IT

Manga and Anime: In the general chaos Sugimoto grabs a sickle (and then a hammer) and wounds Koito mumbling about the 7th division. Tsukishima understands Sugimoto lost it and warns Koito, the people start escaping, afraid of Sugimoto who, with the sickle, attack Gansoku, mumbling about the gold. Gansoku understands he was after his tattoo and escapes.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga the reference to the hammer and sickle presented in the USSR flag is much more marked as their position seems to match it while it’s not exactly so similar in the anime.

My two cents: There’s another still image where the people are meant to be running away. -_-

Really this doesn’t make the scene ‘resembling the manga’ this seems just a lack of will to animate it. The background music though, is Russian sounding and somehow makes the scene fun. For the rest even here the anime had been faithful enough. Also there are again two still images for the escaping Gansoku but as they seem to put more emphasys on the scene they might work.

That and I found them pretty.

OUTSIDE

Manga and anime: The people are escaping. Tsukishima, Tanigaki and Koito follow the escaping Gansoku, deciding to leave the dangerous Sugimoto on his own. Meanwhile Gansoku is attacked by a wolverine. Tsukishima and Co save him but then they have to escape from the wolverine together and hide in a banya.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga they showed first the scene in which Tsukishima and Co though they lost Gansoku and then the scene of Gansoku being observed (and later attacked) by the wolverine. In the anime they first showed the scene of Gansoku being seen by the wolverine and then the one of the boys searching for him.

- The anime cut Koito saying the wolverine is dangerous.

- In the manga the last to enter in the cabin is Tanigaki. In the anime they show Koito keeping the door open and being the last to enter in it.

- In the anime we see the door closing as the wolverine is jumping toward it, giving the impressing the door was slammed on the wolverine face. No such scene is in the manga.

- The manga devotes a background panel to the boy wondering what to do. In the anime they stretched the scene, giving it an excessive dramatic atmosphere, adding Tanigaki who desperately repead ‘hot’ as if he was being burned alive.

My two cents: There’s AGAIN a still image where the people are meant to be running away. -_-

Guys really, making it tremble and panning over it doesn’t count as animating it. I see MMV better done. It’s a bit ridicule how Tsukishima, who has already grabbed a wand, stops to talk with Koito and then runs to fight the wolverine. It makes no sense Koito keeps the door open to everyone considering he’s a spoiled prince. It would have been more logic for him, as he’s the fastest runner, to reach it first and get inside and, if someone were to stay out to keep it open, that one would have to be Tsukishima. I guess they made the scene in which they wondered what to do deliberately dramatic to contrast with the scene of them posing but it felt out of place. They seemed to be dying for the hotness in a moment and the next they were posing. On the other side at least the anime paid attention to their expressions.

On a personal note though I preferred the banya’s last scene of the manga but maybe it’s just me.

CHAPTER 145 ENDS HERE.

THE ANIME PLACES HERE AN EYECATCH

ENONOKA AND CIKAPASI’S PLAN

Manga and anime: Enonoka and Cikapasi find the house of the man who helped stealing Enonoka’s dog. They would like to free the dog but the door of the room it is in, is closed. Cikapasi consider shooting at it but then they manage to see the keys inside the Russian’s house.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga Enonoka and Cikapasi see the Russian going inside his house, peek inside and realize the dog is not there. This scene is cut from the anime.

- In the manga Cikapasi and Enonoka see the Russian coming back into his house after having gone to fed the dog. This scene is cut in the anime.

- The anime added Enonoka asking Cikapasi what they were supposed to do.

- The anime cut Enonoka and Cikapasi noticing the keys.

My two cents: While it’s possible to get a general idea of what’s going on, due to the cuts the scene is a bit more confusing.Enonoka asking Cikapasi what they were meant to do made me think to an attempt to portray her as the helpless girl in need to have ‘a man’ (well, a boy in this case) tell her what to do. I didn’t really apprecciate it.

INSIDE THE BANYA

Manga & Anime: The wolverine keeps hanging around the cabin so that Tsukishima and Co can’t leave. Meanwhile Gansoku makes more stream, and hits the other with a bundle of leafy silver birch twigs, the Venik. He claims since they want to kill him for his tattoo this will be a test of endurance about who’ll escape first. The guys attack him with the Venik, encouraged by Gansoku.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga Gansoku has an expression similar to the one of a shojo heroine when he says they’re there to kill him. In the anime he’s just serious.

- In the manga after Gansoku tells the guys to come at him at the same time they do it, although Tsukishima wonders what he’s doing. In the anime the guys are shown standing still. The scene of them attacking him will be later.

My two cents: They drew it differently from the anime and it’s kind of less fun but at least it more or less drives home the story.

ENONOKA AND CIKAPASI IN ACTION

Manga & Anime: Enonoka and Cikapasi try recovering the key but end up awaking the Russian who gets out of the house attempting to reach them and is knocked out by their trap. Then Cikapasi shots at the locket closing the shed. Sugimoto hears the shoot.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga the Russian is knocked out in a rather serious manner. In the anime the scene is funnier.

My two cents: When the anime shows people fighting, he recycles some scenes. This is not so great. On a more positive note I somehow like the colouring of the scene. Also I’m fine with cutting the part of Sugimoto saying they’ve to take part to it and Tsukishima being surprised by the ‘we’ because it will be discussed later, both in the manga and in the anime so in the anime it would become redundant.

BACK AT THE BANYA

Manga and anime: The boys are hitting Gansoku with the Venik. Koito wonders if this is part of Sugimoto’s plan and Tsukishima denies it.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga Tsukishima wondered what he was doing previously. In the anime he does it now.

- In the manga we see Gansoku and the boys hitting him, all in a single panel. In the anime we see the Venik being waved as Gansoku screams ‘more’ then we see Tsukishima and then Koito and Tanigaki hitting… but we don’t see Gansoku.

My two cents: I’m not really sure why the anime didn’t show Gansoku being hit. It’s not big but it’s weird.

ENONOKA AND CIKAPASI’S ADVENTURE

Manga and anime: Enonoka and Cikapasi are escaping with the dog, Enonoka using ski and letting herself be dragged by her dog, Cikapasi clinging to her. They see Sugimoto but he scared them and so they escape, chased by him. The wolverine senses them and runs toward them. Enonoka’s dog turns abruptly, causing Cikapasi to fall. Cikapasi, using the rifle, keeps it at bay. Ryu tries to distract the wolverine as Cikapasi tries to take a bullet for Tanigaki’s rifle. Sugimoto attacks the wolverine, the two of them fighting. Cikapasi charges the rifle and Tanigaki helps him fire and kill the wolverine. Gansoku then shows up to fight with Sugimoto.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga the panels show the boys together, then we get two panels placing more focus on Tsukishima first and Koito after, as we never saw them without clothes. In the anime they pan on all the bodies equally, starting with Sugimoto, then Tsukishima, Tanigaki and, at last, Koito.

- In the manga when he appeared, Sugimoto was much closer to Enonoka and Cikapasi and then he started running after them. In the anime he’s distant and only walks.

- In the manga it’s the dog which turned abruptly, in the anime it’s Enonoka.

- In the manga only one bullet fall (there’s the shadow of only one bullet) although they seem two because the bullet is likely moving. In the anime two bullets fall.

- In the manga there’s no sign of Cikapasi trembling, he’s just sweating and having some troubles correctly inserting the bullet. In the anime he trembles a lot.

- In the manga when Sugimoto attacks the wolverine the wolverine just avoid the blow and bites him. Only when Sugimoto attacks him with the hammer it jumps away. In the anime it jumps away immediately and therefore it won’t be close enough to bite him.

- In the manga the wolverine was between Sugimoto and Cikapasi. In the anime Sugimoto is between the wolverine and Cikapasi so, to reach Cikapasi, the wolverine gets around Sugimoto.

- In the manga the wolverine was charging at Cikapasi when the latter shoot him. In the anime it either charges at Sugimoto or plans to circle around him to charge Cikapasi… maybe it’s the latter as ultimately it was pretty close to him when it was shoot in the anime.

- The anime adds a scene in which Sugimoto has calmed down then turns toward where Gansoku is coming.

- In the manga Gansoku’s genitals were shadowed but you could notice their presence. In the anime, they seems absent.

My two cents: In the anime Sugimoto is too distant and, as he keeps walking, the two kids should have lost him immediately. The fact he doesn’t chase the kids fails to deliver in that moment Sugimoto was potentially dangerous for them too, which, added to how the anime depicts Sugimoto in between Cikapasi and the wolverine gives the idea Sugimoto was there to save Cikapasi and not that he was in a mental state in which he attacked everything that moved. I don’t really like making the abrupt turn Enonoka’s fault. The fact it was the dog’s fault was meant to contrast with how Enonoka’s dog is scared of the wolverine while Ryu will face it to save Cikapasi... and later in the story Ryu will become the head of the sled dogs. In short this is detrimental to Ryu’s characterization because it doesn’t show how superior he is. The anime somehow seems to depict Sugimoto more in control than he was in the manga. The one/two bullet/bullets mistake on the surface isn’t terrible but showing us one bullet was Noda’s way to remind us the single bullet theory that moved Nihei. As Cikapasi will inherit his rifle this was relevant.

CHAPTER 146 ENDS HERE.

SUGIMOTO & GANSOKU’S FIGHT

Manga and anime: Gansoke and Sugimoto fight, Gansoku realizing Sugimoto is filled with rage but not directed at him. Koito wonders if they should help, Tsukishima asks who of the two and Tanigaki points out how Sugimoto is vital to get Asirpa back so they can’t let him take more punches. As they fight Gansoku asks Sugimoto why, who and what he’s angry at. As Sugimoto thinks at his past it turns out he’s angry at himself, thinking he was useless to the people he loved. Gansoku tells him to forgive himself as he’s giving his all. Then the ice below them breaks, causing Gansoku, Sugimoto, Tanigaki, Tsukishima and Koito to fall into the water under the ice. Sugimoto goes back to normal and the freezing group rushes into the banya

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the anime the add a scene with Sugimoto dropping the sickle and the hammer before tossing himself at Gansoku and punching him. In the manga it’s never showed when Sugimoto dropped those two objects, maybe when fighting the wolverine.

- In the anime Tanigaki seems much more calm and in control than in the manga when he said they’ve to stop the fight.

- In the anime Gansoku punches Sugimoto’s stomach so hard it causes him to throw up. No such scene is in the manga.

- There’s a huge divergence between what we see in the manga and what we see in the anime in regard to Sugimoto’s memories. In the manga we’ve Umeko telling him to take her with him, Toraji’s corpse and Asirpa as she told him she was afraid of what she would do if Nopperabou were to be her father. Then he remembers himself escaping from Umeko, the blood on Toraji’s photo, himself promising he would be with Asirpa until the end, Nopperabo being shoot and Asirpa seeing the scene. As we see those scene Sugimoto calls Umeko, Toraji and Asirpa, before saying he’s useless. In the anime we see an image of a blind Umeko with her child on her back, Toraji’s corpse, the bloodied photo of Toraji and Umeko, Asirpa walking in the snow with Retar, Sugimoto and Asirpa in the deerskin with Sugimoto crying, Sugimoto failing to grab Asirpa’s hand in Abashiri, Nopperabou being shoot and Asirpa watching the scene, all this as Sugimoto first makes intelligible sounds then says Asirpa and then tells he’s useless.

- The anime adds an image before Gansoku where to try to punch Sugimoto in which Sugimoto’s eyes light up and he seems really dangerous.

- In the manga Gansoku’s punch barely miss Sugimoto as it went in between his head and his shoulder. In the anime it’s below his arm, possibly completely off his body.

- In the manga we see Gansoku’s knee hit the ground, in the anime they give much more focus to how Gansoku can’t sustain himself any longer.

- In the manga it’s unclear what caused the ice to break, maybe it was Gansoku’s knee itself, in the anime it’s the boys running toward Sugimoto and Gansoku.

- In the manga the ice breaks in a realistic way, and only in a small measure, in the anime the ice breaks causing a huge hole and an excessive splash of water, likely for humoristic purposes.

- In the manga it’s implied Gansoku and Sugimoto hurries to walk away toward the banya while Tsukishima is busy pulling up Koito. In the anime they just stand there, trembling and saying they’ve to go to the banya. Actually somehow everyone is still, even Tsukishima seems to just stand there unable to pull up Koito…

My two cents: While it’s good to show Sugimoto dropping sickle and hammer instead than causing them to magically disappear the execution is dumb as Sugimoto grabbed them because he took them when he was too out of it to realize he couldn’t use them and even used them to attack Sugi previously so him dropping them now for no good reason doesn’t make sense. Tanigaki being so calm yet doing nothing to stop the thing makes no sense. The scene of Sugimoto remembering why he feels useless are a mess. In the manga is clear he feels useless to Umeko, because he couldn’t take her with him, with Toraji, whom he couldn’t save, with Asirpa, with whom he couldn’t be like he had instead promised, never mentioning he couldn’t save her father either. In the anime, although there’s a little space for Umeko and Toraji the implication seems more he only feels guilty for not being able to save Toraji or bringing the money to his widow… and considering the small time this receive it doesn’t even feel that big, Umeko’s importance completely removed as the anime decided to cut her from Sugimoto’s life and didn’t even try to ‘recover’ her in the 4th OAD. All the focus is on Asirpa, the only person he calls, first showing Asirpa with Retar and then her with him in the deerskin (and although Sugimoto was crying in that scene which the anime mostly messed up, it wasn’t because he was feeling useless), then the anime fails to remember Sugimoto actually hesitated in grabbing Asirpa in Abashiri so that she could escape safely, and didn’t just fail to grab her as the image seems to imply. All this basically pushes forward that what really matters to Sugi is Asirpa with Toraji being very minor. The anime clearly didn’t recognize the scene in which Asirpa told him she was scared and he promised to stay with her, and, apart for Nopperabou’s death, plastered in the scene wrong moments that weren’t related to Sugimoto feeling useless. To make up for it the anime seemed really focused in showing us it was Sugimoto who utterly defeated Gansoku, placing a lot of focus on Sugi in the moment before he punches him and making Gansoku miss in a more obvious manner. The group remaining still after they fell in the water is dumb. If they couldn’t move because they were trembling too much they would remain stuck there and die of hypothermia, they wouldn’t magically manage moving. Well, at least the scene of Sugimoto screaming the water was cold was good.

WARNING: The manga placed later the scene of Sugimoto not remembering his own plan.

ENONOKA PRAISING CIKAPASI

Manga & Anime: Enonoka praises Cikapasi for taking down the wolverine, although Cikapasi admits he did it thanks to Tanigaki’s help.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga we can’t see Enonoka’s expression and Cikapasi only seems embarrassed in the anime we do see Enonoka who seems very happy and Cikapasi blushes.

My two cents: I’m not sure why they had to show Cikapasi flushing if not to make ‘cuter’ his interaction with Enonoka.

WARNING: This scene in the manga was placed earlier.

SUGIMOTO’S PLAN

Manga & Anime: After an image showing Gansoku, Sugimoto, Tanigaki, Tsukishima and Koito enjoying the banya, Cikapasi and Enonoka spying them, Koito asks Sugimoto which was his plan and Sugimoto admits he has forgot it.

My two cents: Although in the anime too Cikapasi and Enonoka are peeking on the boys they’re hardly visible, as if the anime wanted to hide them.

SUGIMOTO AND GANSOKU TALK

Manga & Anime: Sugimoto and Gansoku talk, Sugimoto telling him he doesn’t want to kill him but others might therefore Gansoku should let them make a copy of the tattoo and find the gold, so Gansoku won’t be in danger any longer. Tsukishima suggests him to leave Karafuto and go to Russia to pursue the stenka. Sugimoto agrees then informs Sugimoto that he met the Ainu girl whose name Sugimoto said as she was with another convict, and how Gansoku thinks she was talking about Sugimoto.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the anime prior to Sugimoto talking, they added Gansoku asking him if they should continue fighting as Sugimoto still wants his tattoo.

- In the manga Sugimoto looks straight at Gansoku as he says he doesn’t want to kill him, while in the anime he’s looking at him sideway.

- In the anime they added Koito and co complaining about Gansoku causing more steam

My two cents: Maybe it’s just me but I get a different impression for this scene from the anime, compared to the manga. In the manga I got the feeling Sugimoto didn’t want to kill GANSOKU (because he grew to like him), in the anime the impression is more that Sugimoto doesn’t want to kill people to get their skin. Maybe it’s just me.

WARNING: In the manga this scene was placed after Asirpa told Ogata not to shoot tough enemies in the head.

FLASHBACK

Manga: Shiraishi tells Asirpa they should let the other guy do information gathering and they should just have some tea. As they’re seated on a table Shiraishi tells Asirpa the 7th division is probably still storming Abashiri so they should go search for bodies once the 7th division has left and that Asirpa shouldn’t dwell too much on it. Asirpa confesses she had to overcome her father’s death once before but she doesn’t know how to cope with the fact he betrayed the Ainu. Shiraishi assures her there should be an explanation, that somebody should know it and that she should stand by her father. Asirpa meekly agree. Shiraishi then goes and says that although he doesn’t have proof he thinks Sugimoto might be still alive as he wouldn’t die that easily. Gansoku, who’s eavesdropping them ears Asirpa saying that there’s no way Sugimoto would be dead as he’s Sugimoto the immortal so of course he’s alive. The flashback ends showing Sugimoto smiling as he hears what Gansoku overheard Asirpa saying.

Anime: Gansoku is in a teahouse, listening to Shiraishi and Asirpa talk. Shiraishi says in the past he said he couldn’t see him dying but… Asirpa asks him what he means and a depressed Shiraishi says since Sugimoto didn’t follow them there maybe he is… Shiraishi trails off, implying Sugimoto might be dead. Asirpa scolds him saying Sugimoto is Sugimoto the immortal. The flashback ends showing Sugimoto smiling as he hears what Gansoku overheard Asirpa saying.

My two cents: This is the second worst adaptation of this episode after the flashbacks when Sugimoto was thinking he was useless. In the manga Shiraishi was trying hard to support Asirpa and cheer her up, telling her not to worry, that her father should have had reasons for doing what he did and she’ll find them out, that she should stand by her father, that he believed Sugimoto was alive. On the other side Asirpa was still very troubled by the situation and worried about her father, but, like Shiraishi, believed/wanted to believe Sugimoto was alive, so Shiraishi didn’t have to cheer her up on that. In the anime they actually used this scene as inspiration for the mess that’s the final bit of Ep 24, so that Shiraishi and Asirpa would say the last two quotes, that Shiraishi couldn’t think Sugimoto would die and Asirpa would remark there’s no way Sugimoto would die as he’s immortal. This creates troubles because, of course, unless they retconned that scene out of existence they couldn’t have it here as well, same as before (proof that the animators didn’t think a third series would be done as they didn’t think in advantage at the troubles that change in ep 24 would cause). So what they did with the whole thing? Removed completely Shiraishi’s supportive behaviour, turning him into the one who needs to be reassured Sugimoto is alive, removed completely any talk about Wilk (as evidently in the anime he’s not important despite Asirpa doing all this travel to discover about her father and of course she wouldn’t be sad about his death or his actions, caring only about Sugimoto) to focus solely on Sugimoto, depicting how Asirpa is the only one persuaded Sugimoto is still alive… because he’s Sugimoto the immortal and they have such a deep bond, made more remarked by how the anime conveniently keeps on cutting away Umeko’s role. Really, all this is a horrible choice to adapt a scene, it takes away part of the characterization of both Shiraishi and Asirpa to again focus on Sugimoto and Asirpa’s bond as if that was the only thing that matters in the story. I was hoping the anime would stop doing this, especially considering how Umeko takes an important role in what happens on the ice between Ogata and Asirpa but now I’m starting to expect the anime will cut that scene entirely or twist it so that Ogata’s fanfic will be about Toraji. Will Ogata says Toraji’s name was Yuusaku? -_-

CHAPTER 147 ENDS HERE.

WARNING: In the manga the following scenes were placed prior to the flashback scene and therefore would still be part of chap 147.

SEA LION HUNTING

Manga & Anime: Ogata shoots a sea lion in the head but the latter jumps in the water and tries to swim away. Kiroranke warns Asirpa who shows up with a harpoon.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga we see Ogata is puzzled by the sea lion swimming away as if Ogata had never hit him. In the anime his face is expressionless and he shows no sign of surprise

My two cents: Deciding not to show Ogata’s surprise at seeing how the sea lion was unaffected by his bullet is clearly dumb, it makes it look as if Ogata hadn’t realized it or had expected it. They had put a lot of emphasis in how Asirpa was aggressive as she went after the sea lion. Basically I don’t really get why the anime kept the fact she was sad when she was at Enonoka. They removed her sadness for what happened to her father and showed her confident Sugimoto was alive… before showing us this. Honestly she had no reason to feel down when at Enonoka’s house especially since, as they didn’t retcon the ending of Ep 24 out of existence, Asirpa was already confident back there about Sugimoto being alive. *sighs* The anime is doing better than in the past series but they’re still trying to push the Sugimoto/Asirpa angle too much to the plot’s detriment.

THE ENDING STARTS HERE

EATING THE SEA LION

Manga & Anime: As Kiroranke and Asirpa prepare the sea lion they’ve killed they explains Ogata and Shiraishi about them. They eat the meat raw, Asirpa asking if it’s hinna. Ogata observes even if he shoots it in the head, he couldn’t kill it. Asirpa explains him sea lions have thick skulls like brown bears so if one wants to kill them, he needs to shoot the eyes or the ears, suggesting Ogata to not aim for the hear next time he wants to kill a strong one. Kiro smiles at seeing her in a good mood.

There are minor cuts and changes:

- In the manga Asirpa seems to offer the meat to Ogata (who in the panel is much more visible than Shiraishi) and worry because he gave him a too big slice which he has troubles chewing (as he’s the only one shown chewing it). Her ‘is it hinna?’ question, made as she looks at Ogata, closer to him than to Shiraishi who’s behind Ogata, also seems directed to Ogata although we can see Shiraishi too also had some meat. In the anime she seems to be offering it to both Shiraishi and Ogata, the anime focusing on Shiraishi eating it and then showing Shiraishi and Ogata having troubles eating it drawing Shiraishi in the forefront and Ogata slightly behind him. Her question about chewing seems directed to both and the same goes for her hinna question, which she does without looking at them as she feed herself a slice of meat.

- The anime adds a scene of Ogata cleaning his mouth with his hand.

- In the manga Ogata is seated when he says he couldn’t kill the sea lion. In the anime it’s implied he’s still standing.

- In the manga Asirpa reports how, if one wants to kill a sea lion he has to aim for the eyes or the ears and how there are folk tales between quarrelling bears and sea lion. There’s also an information box adding info. All this is cut in the anime.

- In the manga we see just Kiro smiling. In the anime we first see him working on cutting the sea lion while smiling then turning toward Asirpa always smiling.

My two cents: One of the cardinal points in the relationship between Asirpa and Ogata in the manga is how Asirpa keeps feeding Ogata and asking him if the food is ‘hinna’ or asking him to say ‘citatap’ and Ogata remaining silent. This makes the moment in which Ogata FINALLY says ‘hinna’ very relevant in Asirpa’s eyes. The anime destroyed this making this scene a mere group interaction in which there was more focus on Asirpa and Shiraishi than Asirpa and Ogata. I’m not sure why the anime removed how they’ve to shoot sea lion in the eyes or ears, as anime viewers will lose the irony of Ogata being shoot in the eye (you can view the quarrelling sea lion as Ogata and the bear as Sugimoto as Sugimoto was already compared more than once to a bear).

TO SUM IT ALL

Honestly, I was hoping to say this was a good episode for most of it. Sure, the art is not perfect (but it will probably fixed for the dvd release) and there was the abuse of still images when animated images would work better, but it seemed to work, going as far as to add small details until... until I saw the mess they did around the end.

Complete removal of Umeko’s importance for Sugimoto, reducing her merely to Toraji’s widow even when this is detrimental to Sugimoto’s characterization, cutting off mentions of Wilk and how what he did affects Asirpa, which becomes a ridicule idea since Asirpa is going through this trip exactly in hope she’ll discover the truth, excessive remarking of the bond between Sugimoto and Asirpa even when this is detrimental to Shiraishi or Asirpa or Sugimoto’s characterization, cutting of Ogata’s role and of his relation with Asirpa in a way that’s detrimental to his characterization. Then there’s the attempt to make Sugimoto more morally perfect than the poor guy actually is, which again affect his characterization.

All those things are things important for the plot and the characterization of the characters, they shouldn’t be cut as they’re much more relevant than the minor scenes the anime added.

Long story short, while for the most part is not a bad adaptation, it made some very poor choices on relevant scenes and this is VERY bad.

#Golden Kamuy #Golden Kamuy Manga vs Anime

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Survey #143

“i’d rather be in battle than slaughtered like cattle.”

Were you happy or sad when you found out your babysitter was coming? Sad, I had separation anxiety from Mom. Did you have a boyfriend in kindergarten? No. Did you ever read the "Junie B. Jones" books? LOVED THEM. Were you friends with your neighbors? I was friends with a boy down the street. Did you ever play the "Reader Rabbit" computer games? YESSSSS I LOVED THE BIRTHDAY PARTY ONE. What kinds of games did you play with your friends during Recess? None really, we just played on the swings and such. What was your favorite kind of cake as a kid? Chocolate. Who were you last in an elevator with? Mom. Do you know anyone that has a black belt in karate? No. If you have a notepad in your phone, what do you use it for the most? I have tattoo ideas on it lmao. Who is the last child that you took a photo with? Aubree. How and where did you get your most recent cut? On the side of my hand. I was drying my feet off after a shower, and my toenail cut the fuck out of it. ;-; Pretty sure the scar's gonna be permanent. Would you ever get a nature tattoo? Yeah, sure. Do you have any locked texts messages? A few from Sara. Is anyone saved in your phone under a nickname? My sisters are just "Ash" and "Nicky." Which company provides your car insurance? I don't have my own car. Have you ever ordered from an informercial? Nope. When, where, and why did a needle last pierce your skin? Tattoo parlor in June to get a tattoo. Why did your last relationship end? I didn't like him like that, I found. Do you have any tan lines? No. Have you ever had any friends with benefits? No. How old were you when you became financially independent from your parents? Lol I'm not. What’s your favorite flavor of potato chip? Ummmm probs salt and vinegar. Do you have a lock number or pattern for your phone? No. What was the hardest language you’ve ever tried to learn? What the super fuck even is Latin. Do you have any food intolerances or allergies? No. Well, without my medicine, bananas give me hellish heartburn. What’s the most number of people you’ve ever lived with? Five. Mom, Dad, two immediate sisters, and on different occasions my half-brother lived with us, then Dad's daughter stayed here a while. How many college degrees do you want? Ideally, a master's because that's what is required to be an out-in-the-field zoologist. I can do some things with lower ones, though. What do you look forward to most in the next two months? Photographing my first wedding, my nephew's and mom's birthdays, going to see Sara in a little over two. What song explains how you feel about love? "When It's Love" by Van Halen will always be way up there. Have you ever been IN a wedding? Yeah, bridesmaid at Ash's. Have you ever been covered in mud? Probably as a kid? Are there any books you wanna read? I'm always gonna wanna read Rhett and Link's book, and I wanna start reading Wings of Fire 'cuz it sounds like something I'd like, thanks Sara. What classes are you taking in school? I'm not back in it yet. What is the last song you attempted to play on an instrument? I don't remember. I took my guitar out months upon months ago to try and mess wi- OH, it was "Sweet Child O' Mine," and it went down horribly lmao. Could you handle being married to the last person you kissed? That's the plan, buddy. Do you crack your knuckles? No. How do you react when people sing “happy birthday” to you in a restaurant? Get really shy and look down, but can't help but smile. Ever been shot by a paintball gun? No. Have you ever had a significant other with a mental disorder? Yes. Are you a moaner, a screamer, or totally silent? The first. Have you ever tried Nutella? I love that shit. Are there any activities which are “meant for children” that you still enjoy? Yeah, movies, shows, games... Is there anything you wish you had started doing when you were younger that would have had an impact on or would have helped you with your life today? Yeah. I should've worked on social skills way sooner. I should've fought back younger. Can you read lips? Not at all. Are you part of any online communities? If so, which ones, and how did you get involved in them? Only really KM, and because I've been in the meerkat RP community since '05. When vacuuming, do you have a set pattern or do you go willy-nilly? Somewhat of a pattern. What’s your favorite kind of bread? Pumpernickel. Who’s your favorite Muppet? I don't have one. What’s your favorite monster? (can be Monsters Inc, horror films, stories, or myths, whatever) Probably the Jersey Devil or Mothman. Or the Dover Demon. I like cryptozoological stuff okay. Have you ever considered shaving your head? Have you shaved it? Noooooo. Have you ever seen a polar bear in person? Yeah, at zoos. What’s your favorite school yard game? (4-Square, Kick the Can, etc) I think it was called 4-Square... but I'm not sure. Have you ever boycotted anything? No. Would you fall apart if that last person you kissed walked out of your life? Um you have no idea. Are you against smoking weed? Yeah tbh. However I know there's lots of evidence coming out proving some of its medical uses, but I'm still kinda. Unsure about medical marijuana. Who do you feel most comfortable talking to about your feelings? Sara. Who of the opposite sex has seen you at your worst? Jason. Who were you dating this time last year? Girt. Have you ever smoked pot? I've only ever been in the presence of people smoking it. Are your ears gauged? No. Have you ever played beer pong? No. Do you believe that you are a good girlfriend or boyfriend? I sure hope so. Would you hug your ex again? A couple I would. Do you like to climb trees? I wouldn't know. Name your three closest friends. Sara, Colleen, then probably Alex? Although she hasn't been talking to me lately. What is the best kind of Girl Scout cookie? I loved the chocolate and PB ones. Do you like it or hate it when your partner is clingy? To a degree, I like it. Shows they really do care. What kind of jelly do you buy? Grape. Is your dad overweight? He's underweight. Do you know all the words to “Don’t Trust Me” by 3oh!3? I don't feel like playing it in my head but maybe 'cuz that song was my shit. What movies have you cried to? Oh yeesh, I'm a fucking baby. The Notebook, A Walk to Remember, Old Yeller, Logan, The Outsiders, Titanic, The Hunger Games (I think), and how could I almost forget Forrest Gump. I knoooow there's more tho. Do you love substitute teachers? No. We would sit around doing nothing. Does your personality generally fall in line with gender stereotypes? Not really? What’s your favorite movie soundtrack? Off the top of my head, maybe Blair Witch Project 2: Book of Shadows. If you could own any 3 fictional objects from any book/movie/show, what would you choose? (does not have to all be from the same book/movie/show) I legitimately want to commission someone to make a wooden model of Lord Emon's mask from Shadow of the Colossus. I want so much SotC stuff, but shit expensive man. Ummm having the Seal of Metatron from SH3 would be an awesome lil collectable. OH YEAH and why the hell not have a hearthstone from WoW so I can go home in a jiffy whenever I want. :'D How far away do you live from the last place you lived? Like... 10-15 minutes? Do you know anyone who’s had their kids taken by Child Protective Services? No. You’re in a food court, what do you feel like eating? Pizza, probably. Have you ever seen someone sleepwalk? Yes, my younger sister. She legit tried to go outside, but I obviously stopped her (I was the only one in the room). Have you ever thought about getting your tongue pierced? Yes, and I would if I didn't have a damn retainer. If you had to move in with a friend, which one would you pick? I'd move in with Sara any day. How does alcohol affect you? Okay so I handle alcohol extremely well so I've never seen serious changes... but I do know if I'm tipsy, I'm more talkative and outgoing. I don't think my face flushes anymore. When was the last time you had a cold or flu? Holy shit I couldn't tell you for a cold. I've never had the flu, thankfully. Have you ever watched Parks and Recreation? Girt and I watched a few episodes. It wasn't bad, but the fact still stands that I can't really get into TV. What is your favorite kind of pasta? Typical spaghetti and meatballs. What color is your shampoo? Pink. Is there a special someone in your life right now? Yes. If so, tell me your favorite thing about their personality and their looks: She's strong as fuck and her smile's to die for. Ever made a guy cry? Yeah. Has a guy ever made you cry? For over a year straight lmao. What’s the worst goodbye you’ve ever had to say? To Jason. What make up product do you never use? It'd be easier to tell you only what I do use. I only ever wear eyeliner and then sometimes eye shadow, mascara, lipstick, and very rarely foundation. What is one place you have been to and hated? Uhhhh idk. Have you ever seen a jellyfish? In aquariums, yes. So majestic. Did anyone ever draw on your face when you were sleeping? No. Have you ever done that to someone else? No. Were you ever chased by an animal? Only pets playfully. Have you ever started talking to someone that you thought was someone else? Omfg I did this a good number of months back at the tat parlor and the embarrassment will stay with me forever. Name one person of the same sex as you that you wouldn’t mind dating? Okay so I'm not gonna be a smartass and say "my girlfriend," I'll actually answer this as if we weren't together. I'd date Suzy Hanson in a heartbeat, come at me Arin. Fuckin sweetheart. Do you know any vegans? No. What’s your best friend’s pet’s name(s)? Sara: Martha, Crowley, Little Dot, Buster, Mabel, Doris. Idk the toads' and fishes' names yet. Colleen: Miracle and Maxwell. When was the last time you were disappointed? Two or so days ago, real bad. Mom put aside buying the concert tickets regardless of how many times I reminded her, and now we can't go. Have you ever been on a blind date? No, not my thing. If you have a job, who’s your closest friend at work? No job. Do you see yourself married in the next five years? Probably at least engaged. Maybe married.

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