#this includes trans men

[starcaptain]

Something I've learned about myself as I've aged is that I've come to love men in an erotic way that combines lust and a sort of sacred awe of their beauty. Like sexual communion between two men in anon sex or committed relationships, or whatever in between is so sacred. Heavenly gay copulation with hellish lustful desires

#this includes trans men #because they're men

[regularfrankiefanamelia]

kill all men

#this includes trans men #you are still men you don’t get any special treatment just bc you’re trans #plus wouldn’t it be transphobic if you didn’t die?

[transmascissues]

let trans men&mascs romanticize testosterone.

keep your “you’re not going to look like an anime boy or whatever, you’re just going to look like your dad” to yourself.

keep your “but what about the balding and the acne and the anger problems and the gross hair everywhere and the horrible painful bottom growth and and and” to yourself.

keep your “once you look like a man you will scare people and you can never stop thinking about that” to yourself.

keep your “testosterone is poison and don’t you dare even suggest that saying that might hurt you” to yourself.

we are not obligated to take on your fears and traumas around testosterone as our own, nor are we obligated to let them influence our relationship with it.

we are not obligated to sit here in a world that heavily restricts and constantly threatens our access to it and listen silently as you contribute to stigma around it.

we’re already tired of watching cis society as a whole try to rip it away from us; we don’t need fellow trans people and supposed allies giving credence to their cause.

for many of us testosterone is life-saving medicine, it’s liquid gold, it’s the nectar and ambrosia of the fucking gods.

is it so hard to just let us have that? to let us believe that and say it and celebrate it without being given a million reasons to question it? is that really too much to ask?

if you can find it in your heart to let other trans people romanticize their transitions, i promise you can let us do it to.

testosterone is a beautiful thing. it makes people hotter and even more importantly it makes them happier and anyone who wants it should be able to have it because it’s so life-changing and magical and wonderful and incredibly important to so many people who deserve the happiness it offers.

#got some screenshots from a post talking about the whole ‘testosterone is poison’ thing #and it just 100% confirmed to me that it’s so much more than the ‘just venting’ people try to play it off as #and im just thinking a lot about how all these things are tied together now #how so many people including people in our own community are committed to making us feel bad about wanting/needing t #i’ll probably post those screenshots at some point but for now here’s this #posts about t always seem to get people Passionate so uh. wish me luck #love when the stuff i need to live a happy life is also like. one of the most controversial and hated substances ever apparently #transandrophobia #transandromisia #transmisandry #virilmisia #virilphobia #anti transmasculinity #trans men #transmascs

[nothorses]

hot take but I think the "we're only talking about people who identify as queer when we talk about the queer community" thing was and is one of the worst arguments in defense of the word.

I am talking about you when I say "the queer community", and "queer people", and "queer studies". I'm describing a thing that a large group of people have in common, and you share that thing in common. Your individual comfort with the word doesn't change the definition of it.

I'm sorry you don't like that word. You don't ever have to call yourself that, and you don't have to like it, and I won't ever call you that if you don't want me to.

What I am going to do, however, is decide what language I use based on A) how inclusive it is, and B) how well it communicates my point to the relevant audience.

"Inclusive" here is an important criteria; this refers to the number of people who should be included, that are included, ideally without some kind of weird hierarchy (like we see in "LGBT+" and variations). The technical definition is what we're talking about here- putting personal comfort aside, could the word "queer" describe you?

There will always be someone who doesn't like a particular word for themselves- even if it could apply. Lots of people don't like "LGBT+" (I don't really), even if it technically applies to them. You're not more important than they are.

You can identify one way on a personal level, and still understand that when we're discussing the larger community of people and the histories attached to it, you're included in that- even if you don't personally identify with the specific word we're using. Your story, your voice, and your presence matters.

Y'all need to learn to distinguish "broad term for an experience I share with others" from "personal identity label I use to describe my individual experience to others". ASAP.

#queer #also because i can hear the terfs in my head: #'woman' does not include trans men because trans men are not women #functionally and fundamentally it's not the same gender experience #and the word refers to a personal gender identity #'queer' describes a common experience of being rejected from a particular group

[deandraxon]

Not to be that guy, but saying “I hate all men, including trans men because I’m not transphobic.”, doesn’t make you less hateful. Nor does it make you less transphobic.

You’re essentially saying “if you choose to express yourself in the way that makes you most comfortable, I am going to hate you. I hate you for a core part of your being that has very little to do with whether or not you are actually deserving of hate.”

Discouraging trans men from actually being men because they do not wish for you to hate them, is transandrophobia.

Being a man and/or being masculine is not inherently evil, nor is it worthy of hate. Men are not a monolith and treating them like they are is only pushing them into the “well, you hate me so why should I help you?” camp.

#anti transmed #transphobes are gross #transandrophobia #men are not inherently evil #including trans people in your hate isn’t as progressive as you think it is

[thisismisogynoir]

I love it when women hate men. I love it when women are allowed to vent to each other about how horrible and creepy men are. I love it when women form friendships with and prioritize each other over relationships with men(whether they're attracted to them or not). I love it when women put men dni in their bios and on their nude photos and on posts on their blogs. I love it when women refuse to mollycoddle and accommodate entitled male feelings with "but this doesn't mean I hate all men, I know a few men who are great, I love my father/sons/brothers/uncles/male cousins/guy friends" I love it when women complain about men WITHOUT "not all men" being a disclaimer. I love it when women avoid socializing with/refuse to be around/befriend/get close to men because they know men can't be trusted. I love it when women make "kill all men" jokes. I love it when women offer absolutely no concern or care for men's feelings and if their misandry offends men whatsoever because why should we, men are the oppressor class who have raped and killed and abused us and kept us as subjugated as second-class citizens for millennia, they regularly mistreat us and the women in their own marginalized communities still every single day and make this world so much harder and more awful for us to be in, and if we choose to hate them and not spare them any sympathy then so be it, and I don't just mean "men as a class" either, you can be a woman who doesn't want to have anything to do with any man on an individual basis and completely cuts off men from her personal life too and ykw I will love and fucking support you in that because men deserve absolutely NOTHING from us. If they're so tough and strong then they can handle it just like they can handle being lonely. If you are a woman who hates men, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A LESBIAN AND/OR A TRANS WOMAN, then just know that I love you. I love you, I support you, and you are safe here.

#was going to make a post about how much i hate that women aren't allowed to hate their oppressors but i decided to spin it into something #positive instead #this is supposed to be the feminist site that makes reddit mgtow piss their baby diapers so let's go back to despising men and not coddling #their feelings and let's dye our hair blue while we're at it #i am so tired of this new wave of guilt-tripping and gaslighting women who hate men and don't trust or want to be around them #i hate how we're made into villainesses or the problematic ones for not valuing them in our lives or for wanting to guard ourselves or be #safe from our oppressors #and i'm tired of people who don't know the first thing about feminism being like 'BUT THAT'S TERF RHETORIC WHAT ABOUT X MINORITY MEN' #guess what women can also be x minority that you're trying to protect the men of and we get to hate men too #trans women are included when i say women btw and trans men are included when i say men #if anyone has the right to hate men more than anybody else it's trans women esp trans lesbians because they put up with so much shit #from men that even cis women do not and they especially know how vile men are behind closed doors #so #terfs fuck off #radfems fuck off #and if anybody tries to make this post more appeasing to men or 'not all men's this post you are getting blocked and hit with a hammer #feminism #misogyny #sexism #patriarchy #tw men #tw rape #tw abuse #misandry #terfs dni #radfems dni #feminists need to go back to being scary and unpalatable for men none of this 'but some of them are good!' bullshit #men are entitled to nothing from us #and if you try to prove me wrong then you are just proving my point if you have nothing good to say then simply keep scrolling #ok? ok.

[uncanny-tranny]

Scientists ought to study the chemical link between Butches and trans men* and transmasc* people. Like, they say that the triple bond is one of the hardest to break, but I don't think they've looked at the bond between a trans guy and a Butch

#trans #transgender #queer #butch #lgbt #lgbtq #ftm #nonbinary #every time a butch gives gym advice or how to behave like a gentleman i shut up sit down and get out my pen and paper #like butches may not all be men but they know what i want and frankly i will kill and die for butches #very unfortunate that the 'u' key is RIGHT NEXT TO the 'i' key because i really do not want to say 'bitches' on accident :/ #something i love about the trans scene is the way the venn diagram between butchness and transness overlap often #thank you to all the gym butches in sports bras who are WAY more jacked than me for giving me their wisdom 💛💛💛 #yes obv this INCLUDES trans butches who aren't transmasc* or trans men* #the THINGS that butch trans women have shared? innumerable. they rival the grains of sand on earth

[whitehairedanimeboyfriend]

Conversations on here will basically be like

"Hey these new reproductive rights issues are affecting trans men too so let's make sure we include them in the conversation, instead of calling it women's health issues."

"Would you stop complaining? Trans women have it worse than trans men. TERFs want to kill us but only detransition you."

"If living as the gender you are not is so easy why would you transition in the first place? Obviously trans people transition because they can't live with existing as a gender they are not. Obviously "just going back" isn't an option because we often fail to behave the way we're expected to anyway. Forcing any trans person to detransition is a death sentence in and of itself."

"Why are you always speaking over transfems when we talk about transmisogynistic violence???"

#transandrophobia #its the conversation being about trans mascs to begin with that does it for me #yeah im sorry i interupted the beginning of your sentence with the middle of mine so rude of me #and the ultimate frustration is the topic has drifted so far off course #from including trans men in reproductive healthcare #and nobody cares #functionally i would just like access to reproductive healthcare #and you are the one pulling attention from that by turning it into a whataboutisms conversation #nothing that trans men want to acheive by being part of the conversation about reproductive health precludes trans women also getting rights #but telling trans men to shut up and listen to trans women because they have it worse #IS INTENTIONALLY LEAVING TRANS MEN BEHIND #not to mention arguing about who has it worse is what creates false dichotomies that leave out nonbinary people on top of it

[radsplain]

"the problem is men, not trans women!"

ok but what is a man? what is it about this group of people that makes them a problem? is it the identity of 'man' that's the problem? and if all men stopped identifying as men would the problem go away?

#self-id is rotting your brains #this also reminds me of the posts i used to see like 'i hate ALL men and YES that includes trans men!!" like lmao #what the hell are y'all even on about #breaking your backs bending over backwards to validate grown ass men as 'women' #and throwing actual women (afabs) into the oppressor class to keep the “logic” consistent. how embarrassing! #gender lunacy #self-id #radsplain.txt

[roman-roy-apologist]

yeah ok i get it you don’t think transandrophobia exists but you do realize that it’s still bad to be shitty to transmascs right? you get that right?

#like you don’t get to be transphobic just bc you say ‘well they’re men so men can’t be oppressed’ #as if if there is never any intersection of identities that includes being a man #like first think of gay/bi men they experience a different kind of oppression than queer women do and it would be idiotic to argue that #them being men has NOTHING to do with the oppression they face #and then there’s black and brown men who are constantly painted as scary and violent in news and media and are disproportionately killed #by police officers #and you’re telling me that has NOTHING to do with how their identities intersect between being a POC and a man. ok #it makes no sense to me because look #obviously we live under the patriarchy which systematically oppressed women as well as anyone who deviates from #the cisheteronormative white masculine ideals and i’m by no means trying to say that ‘men have it harder’ #it just seems a bit ingenuine to argue that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES CAN A MAN FACE OPPRESSION DUE TO THE INTERSECTION OF ANOTHER #MARGINALIZED IDENTITY #transandrophobia #transgender #transmasc #trans masc #trans man #transphobia

[2-late-2-the-party]

‘Danmei is mlm fantasy written by and for straight women’ is a lie. It’s written for transmascs and lesbians obviously.

#for real tho most danmei fans I’ve come across seem to fall into one of these categories #straight women are a rarity #or maybe they just huddle in their own little circles while we queers live it up in ours #also I could’ve expanded the joke to include mlm trans men and non binary ppl and trans men who don’t realize they’re men yet #I also know of some cis mlms who enjoy the genre #but the wordier a joke is the less funny it is I find #also it’s worth noting that we don’t actually know the personal identities of most danmei authors #so assuming that they’re all straight seems like a pretty big stretch to me #danmei #mxtx #tgcf #mdzs #svsss #2ha #Oliver rambles

[wwonkkaa]

men need to stop being so pretty or so help me god

#tobi moment #said with love<3 #gay #mlm #mlm thoughts #gay mlm #gayman #guys can you #can you tell i like men #lgbt pride #lgbtqia #lgbtq #lgbtq community #is it obvious #guys #oh yeah btw #this post includes #trans #men as well #men #MEN ARE SO FINE #timothée chalamet #timothee chamalet #tom holland #tom hiddleston

[oceansidegraveyard]

you know when you make an art piece meant to "celebrate all kinds of trans men" and they all have top scars or are wearing binders you dont actually care about celebrating all kinds of trans men

#include never top trans men in your positivity and activism or its garbage #transandrophobia #the call coming from inside the house

[seriousbrat]

This is so insidious. "Be aware of your language because you might unknowingly be spreading Evil ideology!!" basically just means "don't talk about this at all because it bothers me". It's so so transparent. If I'm constantly having to be careful about what I say about female characters (regardless of my actual intended meaning) because this Supreme Arbiter of Truth might randomly decide it's Terf Rhetoric Actually how can I ever have any sort of meaningful discussion at all? Notice how it's framed as "unknowingly"– if I have no possible way of knowing HOW I'm using Evil Language, how can I possibly avoid it? By shutting up is the answer.

It's based on NOTHING. It's a strawman. There is not a single Lily fan that thinks that Lily is just a mother and nothing else. Seeing Lily as more than a mother and recognising motherhood is important to her story are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, in what world is pointing out that women are sidelined in fandom terf rhetoric? This person is just deliberately conflating discussions about misogyny in fandom with hate groups because they know that's an easy way to get people riled. They're pretending the main argument against Lily's exclusion in fandom is about motherhood (it's not) and then doing a further mental backflip to stir up moral outrage about people defending female characters.

Be absolutely clear about this- this person KNOWS, deep down, that there is a reason why they only engage with male characters, and this bothers them. Instead of being honest with themselves about it they are inventing a bullshit faux progressive reason to silence any and all criticism and convince their own conscience that they're in the right.

There are no laws, obviously, saying you can't change lily's story or make her a side character if you want. I myself once made her a side character in a prongsfoot fic. The problem is when this is an overwhelming tendency in fandom, which IS significant and IS, in my opinion at least, worth pointing out. When arguably the most important character in the Marauders Era is routinely sidelined in favour of male characters who are literally irrelevant, that does actually say something about what sorts of characters fandom likes to engage with and why. When she's routinely bashed and hated for not really doing anything wrong while male characters who range from bullies to murderers are excused and idealised, that does say something.

It's never pleasant to have to critically examine your own interactions with fiction and accept that your preferences might be rooted in deeper-held beliefs about the world. But it is important, and one way to do this is to facilitate open conversations between different points of view. One way to NOT do this is claiming that everyone else but you is "accidentally" "unknowingly" using evil language so they might as well shut up about their opinions and about women in general.

#im sorry but this actually annoyed me. #its sooo condescending too. i know what the fuck im saying. #the reason i don't agree w lily being sidelined isn't because she's a mother it's because shes A WOMAN #and also what does ANY of this have to do with trans people?? 😭 #whats also insidious is using real issues of transphobia to silence people saying that women are sidelined #that literally... includes trans women because they are also sidelined along with ... the rest of women #god #everyone was a girl in that prongsfoot fic dont accuse me of centring men #(that's a joke. i actually think i have more m/m fics on my ao3 than anything else) #(by ONE. but still)

[redheadbigshoes]

“Lesbianism is too restrictive”

If you feel that way it simply means you’re not a lesbian.

Not being attracted to men is not restrictive, it’s just the way we are lol sexuality isn’t a choice.

#stephanie talks #lgbt #lgbtqia #lesbian #lesbian pride #before any transphobe assumes anything #I’m not including trans women when I say ‘men’ #I’m including cis and trans men

[uncanny-tranny]

The thing about assigned sex labels (AFAB/AMAB) is that a lot of its usefulness comes from discussions around medicine (though there are still issues with this). In a social sense, AFAB/AMAB isn't very useful to describe peoples' lived experience.

Assigned sex happens to people as babies, and "AFAB" and "AMAB" describe very broadly sex categories. Assigned sex acknowledges past assignment, not current reality with regards to one's sex and/or gender.

I find that when people try to apply sex assignment to social settings (e.g., "all AFABs experience this!"), it comes very close not only to misgendering, but also to sex essentialism in many cases.

I simply think there are too many assumptions made about what every person AMAB has (such as a certain body, a certain gender, and certain lived experiences) and what every person AFAB has. We cannot make sweeping generalizations about people, and I think a lot of people seem to forget this especially with regards to transition and/or "rare" sexes.

#trans #transgender #lgbt #lgbtq #ftm #mtf #nonbinary #all this to say that i don't really like how people slap afab and amab around for social things #like it comes across (to me) like just saying 'women' and 'men' but as an acronym instead... #...and you can see why i don't like that as a trans person i hope... #...i also don't think it is my responsibility to tell y'all my sex or what my sex entails as a trans person... #...(it also bothers me when people say 'afabs' and 'amabs' like idk) #the only people who theoretically NEED to know your sex are certain doctors (like a gp for example) or a partner you are with #i don't think the general public is entitled to your private information - including your sex/transition status/anything else #you are NOT required to tell people if you're transitioning or if you're a trans man or trans woman or literally ANYTHING #in fact that information can put you in danger ESPECIALLY if you have other identities (e.g. being Black/disabled/queer/ect) #i'm sorry if this sounds disjointed ummmmm i have a lot of Thoughts and Feelings about this and it's sometimes hard to get that across well