#this is and always will be about fictional women

[francy-sketches]

Whenever people talk about lack of media literacy they always bring up people who think a character doing bad things=the author endorsing said bad things which are very annoying but I feel like we're ignoring the opposite, equally annoying side of the discourse who think if you criticize the inclusion/depiction of dark/sensitive topics in any way it’s bc you’re a dumb baby who can’t separate fiction from reality. and it's like no I know I’m not supposed to clap and cheer at violence against women I’m criticizing how much of it there is. Idiot

#.txt #also sometimes a work DOES reflect the author's bigoted views lol #why are we acting like that's unherad of #anyway I thought about when I argued with d&d apologists over the way they adapted loras now I’m mad again #‘it’s not like the religious zealots were portrayed as good people what’s the issue’ #the issue is that storyline wasn’t in the book they went out of their way to make the one gay character be tortured for his sexuality #'why are you upset that bad things are happening to the characters' book loras got deepfried that's not what i have a problem with

[watchyourbuck]

it's just to me a bad sign on how things will go moving forward especially if the buck/tommy ship doesn't go away come season 8 like you are all clearly thinking it will or if it does but they revisit it later. eddie isn't confirmed to be queer in canon yet, he might never be so what's the plan? shitting on the canon romances buck gets and/or patronizingly praising them as long as they serve buddie endgame?

babe you went on a TRIP. ok so im not sure which answer you want me to give you here. fandoms work in specific ways, and this fandom has always been primarily buddie. granted, up until 7x04 they only dated women, but alas, they havent dated each other is my point.

its only natural that people who ship buddie endgame may like to partake on Buck's newest relationship but only as a relationship bound to break to make space for buddie - because thats what they (or we, i guess) ship.

i dont know whats gonna happen next season, or god, this one, but i know ive never taken a shit on any of their partners unless they have done something wrong. never liked taylor bc she was so selfish and played dirty, but lucy and ana and shannon i never had any trouble with, i just didnt see them as that character's forever (and marisol i dont like bc of the actress, but we can get into that later).

thing is, people are gonna ship whatever they ship. you cant change that. im not exactly sure why you went on the bisexual tangent, but as a queer person i can tell you its got nothing to do with sexuality. my advice to you as a person who curates her fandom experience is to blatantly stay away from blogs, fics and fanons you dont enjoy. fandoms are optional, this is supposed to be something that you do in your spare time and love, so why go meddle where you know you dont feel comfortable?

personally, im riding both trains right now, and i enjoy fanfics in most of their forms, so im gonna write/read fanfics where tommy isnt his final love, or some where he is, or threesomes where they end up together (all of them), or where they dont. its fiction! it can vary and spiral and - you get it.

about canon queer eddie, its not something i have the power to decipher. if you follow me, or if youve seen my posts, you should know i think hes queer, but im not gonna go down that road right now bc technically, that doesnt matter for the question. if he never becomes canonically queer, then, well, sometimes we lose. not for that im gonna "shit" or "praise patronizingly" any of their love interestes as long as they are good people who make them happy, whatever gender they are.

#can yall agree on the asks dfghjkjhgf #this is like a 180 from the one i just answered #also this was a four part ask but im just gonna answer this one #911 #buddie #911 tv show #evan buckley #911 abc #eddie diaz #evan buck buckley #911 on abc #bucktommy #tommy kinard

[layzeal]

bitching abt the poll scroll this is SO stupid but i'm mad

ok this isnt about ship wars or whatever but these tags are making me laugh because "how could wlw fics of two originally male characters be BETTER than a CW queerbaiting sapphic couple" my guy, because those fics were actually written by lesbians

#I AM HERE TO DEFEND WLW WANGXIAN THEY ACTUALLY FREED ME FROM GIRL LIKER CATHOLIC GUILT #like regardless of how u feel about genderbends #lesbian fiction written by lesbians will always be better and hit a lot more than something written by. the CW #of COURSE i didnt vibe with mainstream wlw media before i started reading wangxian genderbent fic of all things #because those fics are being written by people who know liking girls is more than teehee what if we hold hands and braid each otehrs hair #the source material already hit hard and having fics explore how that'd happen if they'd been raised as women makes it hit even harder ik #anyways read out of your system by mimilamp and maybe you'll calm down #modao

[derpinette]

girls being nice to me gets me higher than ecstasy ever could

#SORRY for the corny post but this is how i truly feel not waxing poetic here like literally it does #i just met the cool girl i keep talking about & IT WAS SÅ FREAKEING ÅSUM ^_^_^_^_^_^ YAY #HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY HAPPY HAPPY JOY #OK sorry for screaming But i really am very excited... #turns out she is autistic & we discussed our neuroses while eating & ugh she is just as cool as i thought she was #always tell people you think have Swag that you noticed it on them see how it worked for me #i was so scared of spilling my spaghettis but turns out that was exactly what i needed to do to be friends ^_^ YAY #we went to a lot of different libraries together & i got a small old eyeless bunny plush from the event we went to caus i felt bad for it #i even showed her my pony art & i told her about my cringe interest (that music event i like...♯RealOnesKnow ) #& she thought it was COOL.& i felt like it was really genuine & she talked about reading BL LOL we discussed fujos together #we even talked about finding moids ugly #it was so awesome she was so cool & Nice To Me... i feel like i am on CUMULONIMBUS ( cloud 9 ) ^_^_^_^_^_^ #talking to her in person was so much better than online OMG now i wish i really was friends with you muties IRL #i wish you a Girl Friend experience just like this to those who post about wanting them i really do #also the reason why i even like my Music Event so much is because the first time i watched it was with a bunch of women #& i had so much fun & they were so nice to me i keep returning & now that Event means so much to me & I LOVE IT sorry (NOT) #i know this sounds like tumblrina fiction i would not believe it either IDK what to say to make it sound legitimate 0_0 like it is so crazy #to me as well IDK i can barely get over it & IDK if i really want to so um well YAY ^_^ AIMU SO HEPI :DDD

[rush-the-stars]

a lot of dark content anti discourse online is just thinly veiled misogyny

#i could say more but i don’t want to complete start a shit storm #i’m always kinda like #if you care so badly for victims #why are you shouting at afab people in fandom spaces ab how it’s THEIR fault horrible trauma happens to (most often) them….. #bc they explore such traumas and dark content in a fictional setting #often bc they have experienced it or are in near constant threat of it #bc of men or amab people….. #like if you care so badly shouldn’t you be lecturing men who actively perpetuate this…… #or like a patriarchal society? #but instead you are here…….blaming afab people and calling them sick etc etc #you sound like an 1800s psych doctor who is about to lobotomize women for speaking out at all bc surely they must be crazy……….. #that’s dramatic but. you get my point…..

[soldier-poet-king]

Two chapters into this is how you lose the time war and I already can feel that I am going to be SO normal about this (a threat & a promise)

#fran reads #anyway it took me eons to read this #bc i have an insane guilt complex and a homophobic trad living in my brain rent free #for the longest time teen me was like NO i cant read queer stuff. i shant. /dramatic sigh/ #and then obvs i got my head out of my ass #but for years it was just. idk. much more comfortable with m/m then f/f in fiction #idk if its just bc its so much more prevalent. or bc my brain hates Gender #(or realistically. its bc there's a degree of separation and i cant let myself PINE about WOMEN holding HANDS god forbid) #anyway. we have broken this barrier. i am here like #oh man i love me my lesbians. insane women in love fr. #it just HITS DIFFERENT #anyway. ANYWAY. i can already see how this book is going to end in tragedy. i am biting and eating glass #(also ofc always just thinking abd wizard gfs like #pf brainrot is real i am thinking abt THEM 24/7)

[henry-fox-biggest-stan]

“Omg Edward and Bella are so Odysseus and Penelope coded” that’s how it sounds to me each time anyone compares a mlm ship to achilles and patroklos

#just say that you only know 3 mlm couples and move on #no one makes that kind of comparasions with straight couples no one #yknow why #because no one lumps them together! they are allowed to be different even if they have physical similarities! #yes this is specifically about rwrb heartstopper and yr #they are like the big three' regarding mIm fiction and i just dont get it?? #plus they are ALWAYS compared to tsoa achilles and patroklos #sure theyre good but they are all treated like they are the same thing like all the characters are similar #spoiler alert they arent #(straight) people mix their personalities together to make a palpable smoothie that they can drink and say ‘oh im such an ally dont you see’ #plus when comparing them to achilles and patroklus they mean tsoa patrochilles obviously #because their characters are SO BLAND in that book that their personality can be altered for personal enjoyment and still be same #‘alex and henry and charlie and nick and simon and wilhelm are SO achilles and patroclus😍🥺’ #do you know literally any other mlm fictional couple? have you ever read a mlm book written by a gay guy? #because as far as i know heartstopper rwrb and yr arent made by gay guys #and while that is fine the representation is very good and alice and casey are both queer #i have the suspicion that the straight women that say that have never read anything writtenby a gay guy because i did and let me tell you #they write things very differently they are unapologetically queer they arent palpable to *that* straight audience #yknow i love casey and not saying their books arent queer (they absolutely are) but for example heartsopper since its idealized #its not something that make you feel the struggles and the hate etc so strsight audiences can binge on it without seeing themselves #reflected on the homophobic characters or have their own prejudices be turned upside down #anyway fck madeline miller fck fetishizing borderline homophobic women who only read mlm and for the love of god leave rwrb and yr ALONE #rwrb #young royals #heartstopper #achilles #patroklos #achilles and patroclus

[nicosraf]

Hello, if it’s alright could I draw some fanart of my interpretations of the different angels? I must admit I barely passed the half way point on your novel and I’m obsessed with the angels. Although I do have a question where are the women??? Jkjk. But it’s been an itching question since they are gender less beings with many forms. Also do the angels ever take their more biblical form and 🪶🪶🧿🧿🧿🪶🪶 hello brother their fellow angels?

hello! of course!!! I love seeing interpretations!!! (though i do ask not to whitewash, if possible hghghg)

And the women!! Well! The (biblical) explanation is longer than I expected but here ya go:

Angels as genderless beings is.... actually not true. The Bible refers to angels as "sons" of God a couple times – like Job 1:6, Job 2:1 (most explicitly), and Genesis 6. Genesis 6 is pretty important, because if Job is right about angels being the "sons of God", then this chapter says angels are capable of sex and procreation (with women, at least, though I have some thoughts on that). Also, angels exclusively appear as men, in the Bible. When the angels visit Abraham, they're described as men. When they visit Sodom in Genesis 19, and all the Sodom men line up to try and have sex with the angels, the angels are described as men. (In fact, the "gay people are evil" understanding of the Sodom story is entirely contingent on angels being understood as men.) (Fun fact: it's from Sodom, also, that I reasoned all angels are outrageously sexy.)

But why are angels all men in the Bible? Well, the reason is because Eve is supposed to be the first women, and in traditional (sexist) Christian thought, Adam is a man, modeled on God, who is masculine. Because the angels are between them, then they're supposed to be men, or at least man-ish.

I remember when I learned all this I thought it was absolutely hilarious. God and his all-sexy-male angel paradise. Incredible. Perfect.

But in all seriousness, the origin of this idea is that Christianity is really sexist. And the gender of angels is something pretty much every significant angel writer/artist has struggled with, like John Milton in Paradise Lost.

The back and forth about angel gender is actually my absolute favorite thing about Paradise Lost. The most significant line is "for spirits, when they please, can either sex assume, or both;" which clearly states that angels are supposed to be intersex. And yet, all the angels in Paradise Lost are men, use male pronouns, and they're described in almost entirely masculine terms; one instance where that isn't the case is this one line about Lucifer: "his form had yet not lost all her original brightness". Even here, the feminine characterization is just an attachment to the masculine.

In my opinion, John Milton wants to explore angel gender (and angel homosexual sex, too, btw, as per angel Raphael telling Adam all about the gay sex angels are up to), but Milton is held back by the pretty clear Bible teaching that angels are supposed to be male or at least male-ish. (Also, my friend Cas is much more of an academic about John Milton, angels, and angel gender, and I'm mostly parrot-ing him because he's much smarter than me, so they're your guy if you have questions). I like Milton's ideas of angels being between gender, though, and I plan to do a lot more with that:

I played around with the bizarre idea of God and his all-male paradise, but ultimately, the angels in ABM are not male. There is no such thing as male because there is no such thing as female. Like Milton, I think they're between genders.

Why do they use he/him pronouns, then? As a nod to the "all angels are male" Christian teaching, and (on a more personal level) to explore tenderness and queer gender expression (all the makeup and jewelry and dressing up) in he/hims. (Plus, it's a tiny jab at machismo, which is incredibly attached to Mexican Catholicism and an enormous source of pain for me, so now I get to make Catholicism gay and girly and laugh to myself). But, lastly, pronouns don't equal gender. Men can use she/her, women can use he/him. (Especially coming from a Mexican perspective, it's pretty common to hear gay men use feminine pronouns to refer to themselves.)

But what about their bodies? Do they not have masculine bodies, then? As I mentioned in this ask (where I discuss the trans-ness of the ABM trilogy and angels and also God) and this ask (where I discuss angel sexual organs), I stay vague because you have the room to imagine whatever you want. Specifically, angels are intersex but what that means for their physical bodies is basically up to you.

(But why would you write vaguely? Because ABM is about gender and queerness, and the fact that it can't be easily understood and it takes on a life of its own for each reader is the point !)

ABM and its sequels are about angel gender trouble and gay feelings, so don't worry, you have a lot to look forward to in that regard.

Oh and about the "biblical forms".... :) no spoilers

#i tried not to spoil but skskksks #please do keep reading #and dont worry - the use of he/him pronouns will get questioned in the sequel #dont get scared away by the “all male” cast cause theyre not male #i was pretty inspired by Lesbian Seperationist Utopian Fiction #I always found lesbian seperationism to be less about “women = good” and more about a society of single-gendered-ness and queer attraction #i do wish i could just drop the sequel already but alas #im being held in a publishing prison rn #mine #ask #angels before man

[essskel]

I understand that a good half of the Lodge don’t have much canon characterization and that’s not even really a flaw of the story like there’s a lot of them and we don’t have time to flesh out everyone.

however I will continue to make wine out of raisins and post crazy about my personal beliefs about various sorceresses that I formed based on maybe 1 or 2 lines in a 9 book series

#and it’s always moral to do with fictional women #if we can write fanfic about aiden who is never seen alive in canon then I can have my francesca/ida semi unrequited tragic romance #double shot

[musical-chick-13]

...People DO realize they can ship two male characters WITHOUT diminishing the importance of the women in the story to both the overall narrative and the male characters themselves, right. RIGHT.

#I mean. tbh I think the answer in a lot of cases is 'no' but I promise it's possible #like again. I'm not asking people to like. idk never care about male characters or something? #I'm just asking people to evaluate in which contexts they view women (fictional AND real) as disposable and insignificant and inferior #and to recognize that misogyny doesn't always look like 'I hate women as a group of people and want them all to die' #misogyny in fandom #also. te__s this post isn't for you trans women are women #(can't BELIEVE I have to fucking clarify that every time but unfortunately people don't know how to act)

[spacevixenmusic]

the note difference between these posts perfectly encapsulates Tumblr in a nutshell to me

#every time we do stuff like this the post about men ALWAYS has more than 2x the notes as the one about women #because tumblr values daddies far more than mommies #and I'm not saying that's anyone's FAULT or that you're BAD if you do that #it's just a cultural thing that sticks out like a big old dick on a fictional woman to me #anyway #trans rights motherfuckers

[lesbiansanemi]

Idk there’s also something to be said for the absolute distaste and hatred of lesbian headcanons in general in fandom spaces. Like never mind that these ppl can’t fathom how a woman would ever exist without being into men, they can’t even not get mad when someone says they think a fictional one doesn’t like men. Like you have such a hatred of lesbians you can’t handle someone else saying they think a fictional woman doesn’t fuck men. Like holy fuck

#‘why isn’t she at least bisexual uwu’ #it also ties into fictional women ALWAYS being headcanoned as bi or pan or whatever #but fictional men can be headcanoned as gay without near the push back #(in queer fandom spaces I’m not talking about cishet ones) #idk. I just think it’s amusing. funny. so silly. #it’s okay for someone to exclusively like men but not exclusively like women #we’ve always gotta center the men ya know ya know #sorry I have to have my weekly be bitter about male dominated fandom spaces fic you know how it is #kaz rambles

[ot3]

This is new sexier anon then the others and this is coming from a place of good faith, or at least what I consider good faith, but it feels like there is a dissonance between your hating people who call lesbians sapphic and being ok with lesbians being called bi or vice versa. Most of the reasoning I see behind don’t call lesbian character bi is that it’s seen as people thinking lesbian is a bad word, and again vice versa. (Sorry if this sent twice??)

well for starters i'm definitely speaking with a significant degree of hyperbole here and while someone calling a lesbian character 'sapphic' is something i personally hate sooo bad i wouldn't ever actually like. make any kind of stink out of it. i'm bitching on my blog because that's what i do here but at the end of the day everyones preferences for language are gonna be different and i do not actually wish ill will on anyone who has a differing opinion from me on the subject.

but for me it's kind of like i don't see these as equivalent things at all. when a lesbian or bi woman says they view a character as lesbian or bi. it speaks to me as interest in the specific experiences this character has with their sexuality, even if it's not what's 'canon'. bi and lesbians experiences are wayyy too similar and historically intertwined for us to pretend that they are fully discrete when appearing in fiction.

whereas calling something sapphic when the characters have explicitly stated orientations already feels to me like stepping away from anything specific so it can be dropped into the greater amorphous pool we call 'representation'. it feels almost like a rebranding of discussing sexuality in media using terminology that has as many corners filed off as possible. if the whole point of sapphic is to use as an umbrella term when using a specific identity label wouldn't be accurate or appropriate, then using it when something else would be accurate or appropriate feels like a copout to me.

#people who aren't gay women love to bend over backwards to explain why lesbian characters are actually interested in men but #thats a whole different conversation. im mostly talking about the way bi women and lesbians will turn on Each Other for this sort of thing #when our experiences are more shared than not #i dont think bi women who have bi readings of some fictional characters are avoiding Lesbianism #but i do think people who will ALWAYS use the word sapphic over calling anyone a lesbian maybe have to re-assess a bit #also once again i must stress #while i find the use of the term sapphic a bit eyerolly when it comes to discussing fiction #my main issue is i dont think its good for real people

[fellhellion]

seeing miguel takes that make u say aloud HE DOES NOT KNOW HE IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER IN A STORY WHERE THE PLOT IS CONSTRUCTED TO ILLUSTRATE A CERTAIN POINT/MEANING BRO 😭

#why can’t Miguel recognise the importance of trying and failing to save the police captain #BECAUSE HE DOES NOT KNOW HE IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER HE DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT CHARACTER ARCS #ALL HE SEES ARE REPEATING PATTERNS ACROSS THE MULTIVERSE #HE DOES NOT KNOW HES IN A STORY GUYS COME ON STAY WITH ME HERE 😭 #tunes talks spiderverse #also like on the meta level the ENTIRE thing his character is being used to critique/question is what story elements have been used the irl #writers of spiderman to ‘legitimise’ a spiderman. what do those repeating patterns say about us that women die for Spider-Man’s pain #etc etc what does it say about society irl that miles was seen as such a challenge to the spiderman mythos by virtue of being a black kid #you’re having a character In the STORY look at those repeating patterns and ascribe it as fate BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU NOT YOU DONT KNOW YOU #ARE FICTIONAL #but what highlighting those patterns asks US the audience to question is why is that suffering necessary for a spiderman story why does it #always have to play out the same #why CANT miles save his father #miguel is only interacting with the concept of canon as a way to understand and conceptualise these pattern events and the damage that can #be done to the dimensions/multiverse when certain parameters are met #he does not KNOW about the meta commentary guys PLEASE 🚬