I don't like DDLC'S MC very much on a very petty level but I still wish there was more fic or meta speculation about him. I'm not interested in him as a character, though, because he's barely a character. Literally by the game's standards, he has no inherent "character file." He is the SCRIPT, if anything. All of his thoughts and actions occur within the little text bubble at the bottom of the screen, and so do the characters'. He barely appears in CGs, has no body sprite, and it is through his observations and his thoughts and his call to make choices that the game progresses.
I think that specific trait of MC is fascinating, especially given how deep reaching Monika's manipulation is. During Act 1 he is active, he is talkative, he has a definitive (and yet inconsistent, based on which girl(s) you're speaking to) personality. He has thoughts about just about everything going on. And yet in Act 2 he is reduced to dust. He stops having any kind of commentary and he almost never remarks upon the horrible occurrences around him unless prompted or unless it is something that could plausibly happen in the realm of reality, like Yuri abandoning him for 10 minutes and Natsuki collapsing on him. But even then he's still significantly muted. Yuri and Natsuki have a horrible fight and the only kind of response he tries to throw out is co-opted by Monika. He witness Yuri declare her love for him and talk about how she would love to pull his skin open and crawl inside of him and the only thing he has to say is "yes" or "no" when she asks if he likes her back. And then he physically cannot move or speak or react because the world is so far gone that Yuri's death has damaged him, the script, so much that all he hears is gibberish coming from her lifeless mouth.
And like... that's neat to me. I like that by the end of Act 2 the script is so off the rails and so far gone from reality that MC can no longer really function as a person, because the script is barely functioning. He stops reacting to anything happening around him and most of the conversations he has are just the girls talking at him. Monika has to literally rewrite the script and force Yuri and Natsuki to say things to further her agenda or keep the scene rolling. MC had a clear and very human response to Sayori's death because it was a plausible but horrible (and not forced) event that could happen naturally. Yuri's death was so jarring and away from the scope of the natural order of his world that MC (and Yuri, by extension) can only sit frozen and broken until Natsuki and Monika show up to force new progress.
Like Monika's effect on the girls has been talked to death and it is an interesting topic but I also think what she unintentionally did to the POV character of the game is also something neat. It really adds to the feeling of the world in DDLC being hollow. The MC is a half-character who can only react in incredibly predictable ways, and when the world stops being predictable, he stops being anything more than a walking camera for Monika to speak into.
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Like. Ok. It's a big part of why I've separated myself from t.ristamp fandom more since finishing the manga. I just. The way a lot of the fans over there interact with the show is just so very different from what it means to me. And this is especially evident with how they treat Vash.
The "babygirl", the sweet sly sexy trans guy who is soooo innocent and small and meek and a total doormat, would never ever Ever say anything mean Ever, just total sunshine and daisies all the time (unless he's sad and then he's a pathetic wet meow meow who has to be bundled up and doted on until he's happy again, poor Baby)
I'm being dramatic here but like... also not? Some people really do characterize him like that, and it drives me up the wall.
I love Vash for his complexities. The way he contradicts himself. He's a staunch pacifist, but he gets angry enough a few times to be tempted to kill. He's goofy, yet haunted. Sweet, yet bitchy. And oh GOD he loves being an annoying little shit so much. He's jaded, yet hopeful. Resigned at the state of the world, yet still working to make it better. Plays the idiot, but is a total badass when push comes to shove. And for all his frequent childishness, he really is quite mature. That soul deep maturity that he achieved over a century and a half of struggle and strife, countered by his wish to just have Fun...
You see? These are two entirely different characters. After truly getting to know the 2nd (mainly manga vash, though 98 has some aspects of it too), the first just. Really falls flat.
And this. Is why. I need to stop reading t.ristamp fic. Bc more likely than not, I'm going to be disappointed.
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I saw you said you find it cathartic to write Gwyn and wanted to say I find it cathartic to read your depiction of her. I’ve struggled with her characterisation in some other canon compliant fics - I think some writers understandably struggle with how to explore her trauma, and limit it to difficulties with physical intimacy. But in my experience of her kind of trauma, that impotent anger and self hatred is far more consuming. Thank you for writing that. I feel so seen and so supported. Love you
I'm definitely drawing on some of my own experiences, but also the experiences I find at work, too. I'm gonna put some of my rational below a cut just so people can opt out of reading about sexual assault if they need/want to.
And I think its really common to assume that the only trouble folks have post SA is sex, but for me, I think its the opposite. I think people really struggle with the internal sense of "did I do something wrong?" "how could i have avoided it?" "why did this happen and why didn't i notice anything was off?" and my personal least favorite, "why didn't i try harder to prevent it?" Like all these retrospective questions based on hindsight, coupled with the heavy messaging I think survivors get that if they find any physical enjoyment in sex, it wasn't that bad which compounds a lot of those guilty feelings.
And it does manifest as this like, deeply burning anger directed at themselves (or the world) and that's what we're working on. The inner healing, forgiving yourself for something that was never your fault to begin with, and (and i think this is the most difficult) accepting that you'll never really know why it happened because someone made a choice ABOUT YOU/FOR YOU that they didn't consult you on. You're never going to know why, right? But that doesn't mean the blame belongs to you- the blame belongs to them and I personally find thats the hardest part of the therapeutic journey.
I just wanted to bring that into this. It was also my experience, not to be personal, and I think being able to write and reflect on it has been an added layer of healing. Kind of like when I was writing RTWYLM, it's this scrapbook of a time period I still carry with me, and the compendium of knowledge I've collected since then.
I hope other people resonate with it, and I do it justice. I felt like, if I was going to broach the subject and we were going to tackle it, there should be thought put behind it rather than like...making a mockery of TV-esque PTSD symptoms that otherwise don't mean anything and go away as soon as its no longer interesting to the plot
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web avatar jon thoughts i will probably never do anything with:
-joins with the rest of the archival staff-> is brought on (instead of martin) by elias in order to mark sasha with the web, since she didn't have the encounter with mr. spider
-sasha is the archivist now, tim and martin are still archival assistants
-no encounter with the spiral-> no one is replaced by the not-them. smth happens with the web instead (sasha's first mark alongside prentiss+the corruption) and is "resolved" by jon
-jon is antagonistic throughout the first 2 seasons and plays a role similarly to helen (friendly but should not be trusted. hes manipulating them all to do what he wants). he is not in cahoots with jonah (he quite dislikes the man, thinks he takes too much pleasure in ruining the lives of others. at least jon is a mostly neutral party) and does not help in getting sasha marked by the other fears. his involvement with introducing them all to the web is to establish more power for his fear in the archives
-in the third season, however, jon starts to turn his attitude around, esp after leitner's death. he uses his power of manipulation to keep sasha in hiding + help with the investigation. he does not stop puppeting them all in the background, but uses it more to keep them all safe, and less for his own gain
-specifically helps with preventing the unknowing, partially bc he doesnt want the spiral to take over and partitally bc he cares about his friends
-sasha goes through it like canon jon, has a similar relationship to tim as jon did to martin
-jon and martin are still involved, however their relationship prior to s3 is kind of manufactured. jon does and says exactly what they all want to hear to get in their good graces, and it works especially well on martin. s3 onwards features them getting to actually know each other as jon loosens up on messing with their personal lives and focuses on protecting the archives
-daisy and basira are unchanged, however daisy takes a dislike to jon as well as sasha (bloodlust in sasha's case and disgust in jon's. idk if she would want to kill jon too bc his fear manifests much more subtly than sasha's, but i think she would hate him more. maybe that would be reason enough at this point ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) and basira is more willing to work with jon than she is of sasha. at this point, she is effectively being used by daisy and i dont think she would be able to notice the same behavior in jon
-melanie is unchanged, she still hates being there and gets marked by the slaughter
-tim hates jon even more than in canon-> thinks hes a little creep almost from the beginning and doesnt trust a word he says. finds him much too similar to the spiral and the distortion, 2 fears he has a particular hatred of
-the unknowing team is now comprised of: tim, sasha, melanie, basira and at home are: daisy, jon, and martin. jon weasles his way out of going bc he doesn't like to get directly involved in situations. staying home is much more appealing to him. also, he wants to fuck with elias just as much as martin does. daisy stays (despite wanting to go with basira) bc she wants to kill jon
-martin's confession is left out of this version bc jon is there. however, elias does get martin to stop- not with his insecurity regarding his mother, but with his insecurity regarding jon. he successfully plants a seed of doubt in martin about jon's true intentions, when he brings attention to all of his actions throughout the show (some of which, martin has witnessed and tried to ignore bc he didn't want to face them)
-sasha still goes into a coma, tim still dies (not without apologising to sasha, even if she never hears it bc the unknowing is happening), melanie gets thrown into the buried, basira returns home, daisy is stuggling with the hunt (much like melanie and the slaughter) martin retreats into the lonely, now convinced that all of his friends are dead and the rest cannot be trusted. they successfully get elias arrested and peter lukas takes over running the institute
-jon absolutely despises peter lukas bc of his isolation approach to running the institute; if everyone is seperated, there are no connections to manipulate. bc the web is manifested so strongly throughout the archives, he still has some control, but the ppl he genuinely had relationships with are gone and its much harder to handle
-daisy fights off the flesh, but it leaves her lost to the hunt (how to resolve? maybe she learns to keep it hidden from everyone until she snaps when those monster hunters come at the end of s4. maybe basira helps her through it. melanie still gets to heal, after they take out the bullet and get her out of the archives)
-when sasha comes back, jon clings to the last remaining thread in his web of the archives, becoming her new anchor after tim's death. when she goes into the coffin, he is the one who places all of the recorders on top it and wills her back home, melanie in tow
-at this point, jon has given up any malicious intent he had, as hes seen elias's plan unfurl and works to prevent it (like annabel cane, he knows smth is up). he wants to counter-manipulate everyone into not allowing the apocalypse to happen, basically
-which means he needs to get martin out of the lonely asap. martin joins peter now, not bc he does believe in the extinction, but bc there is nothing else for him in his life and he needs a way to detatch himself from jon, who he thinks has been lying to them all the whole time (finds out hes an avatar of the web some time during sasha's coma). jon manages to convince him their relationship is not entirely built on lies with sasha's help and prevents lukas from taking martin into the tunnels + to the panopticon. they leave just as the hunters arrive
-sasha still escapes into the tunnels (she Knows lukas is down there and potentially elias?) + eviserates peter lukas <3 finds elias
-daisy goes hunter mode and kills julia montauk, basira escapes into the tunnels, daisy hot on her heels after also killing trevor. she meets up with sasha and elias
-like in s5 w georgie + melanie, basira has been finding ways to get rid of the archives altogether, eventually stumbling upon whatever gas thing allows them to blow that shit up in the last episode. in her rage about daisy's decline (as well as her promise to daisy) and everything shes had to do for elias in the past season, she successfully blows up the building, trapping herself, elias, jonah (body), and daisy inside. idk whether sasha should bite the dust or not...... maybe it wouldn't be satisfying, but i think the nature of her character is to not survive and leave you mourning her lol
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okay weird comment etiquette question for other fic authors only, does anyone else feel weird about comments where people mention other fics by name or link to them?
like for me personally, if someone comments on my celebrity au saying "oh, i just read '[title of another celebrity au for the pairing]' and its so interesting reading such different takes!" that comment isn't insulting to either fic, but especially if i haven't read the other fic or have and found it to have problems (out of character, etc), i don't like it because it almost feels like im endorsing that fic by leaving the link attached to my own work.
i have less of an issue with someone saying "i read a fic where [x] happens and...." (rest of comment, etc) if they dont give the information to find the fic or the author. it can be weird depending on the context, but usually that's fine to me, even if someone else who read that fic might be able to identify it from the comment. Mostly i think that's because there's nothing directly being endorsed/linked for a casual viewer to then go find.
i have no problem with people making rec lists that im on along with others, of course, but having it specifically on my fics/my page feels weird (the context of rec lists is also very different from the context of a comment section). i was wondering how other authors felt about it, though i dont know how common this scenario is. i almost always delete these comments just because they make me uncomfortable and thats reason enough to curate your online experience, but i was curious
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