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#this post was originally made by a s@nsa stan who is a dany anti
rainhadaenerys · 3 years
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asoiaf fandom: daenerys is an unreliable narrator (pov trap and all that)
me: so in other words, when she calls herself a monster, we’re not meant to accept her words?
asoiaf fandom: uh no-
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janiedean · 4 years
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have you had a bad experience with s*nsa/j*nsa fans? it seems that the entire got/asoiaf fandom has problems with them (dany stans, arya stans, targ stans, jon stans, jaime stans, brienne stans, braime shippers) i don't want to generalize but they seem to be a very unfriendly, hypocritical and "holier than thou" bunch. they don't care for any female character who isn't sansa while screaming "misogyny" when someone dares to criticise their fave. they also bitch about jonerys despite shipping jonsa (i couldn't care less for either ship but wtf?) they gush about how flawed and complex sansa is but act like she did nothing wrong and get angry whenever someone criticises her. they act like arya throwing food at her clothes is horrible disgusting irredeemable behaviour, but say "siblings being siblings" when sansa literally tells her that she should marry hodor because she's ugly like him. The double standards ugh. as a brienne lover, i personally hate the way they only see brienne as a bodyguard to sansa and don't seem to care about her character. what about you? I really love (BOOK) Sansa but her fans' attitude makes me lose interest in her character which hurts me. It's gotten to the point that im wary of anyone who has a Sansa icon :(
I mean my worst experience with... anyone in that camp wasn’t even for fandom stuff but it was someone who shipped it/was a s/nsa stan being pro-trump under a springsteen post I made and that was... let’s just say extremely unpleasant and then there was the anti-sansan twitter crowd which was also extremely unpleasant and that one person who hated joncon and was a jon/sa stan/dany anti who couldn’t handle being told to not tag joncon hate who also was a trip though I’ve had friends who had way worse run-ins, that is if we don’t count my by now legendary beef with THAT one s/nsa-j/nsa stan who hated robb stark but I mean... half of her own fandom hated her so X°D 
that said: I personally detest show-sansa from s5 onwards and I loathe how part of her fandom has decided to make the entire show/series about her and how they discard arya and brienne to give s/nsa parts of their storylines/their love interests/making both of them basically the glorified bodyguards (which was also why I loathed a brienne in sansa’s qg ending and I’m way happier with the one we got if I had to choose one evil) and I detest how they turned her into cersei lite and everyone hauled that frankly shit ooc ending she got as FEMINISM just bc she became qitn when it’s against everything in the original text, not even going into the mess that was S5 which is better not touched and I honestly can’t with the part of fandom who has decided that the entire series revolves around s/ansa while at the same time denying all over the place her actual book traits and the fact that both people who are her only realistic viable canon interests aren’t standard hot. I do love book s/nsa a lot and I’m trying to detach the show version from the book as much as I can and if I write fic I’m sticking with the book characterization because I don’t want the show mess near me at any time, but tldr: idc for any section of this fandom who discusses s/ansa which isn’t either san/san or sansa/tyrion shippers too at this point because everyone else at this point is going to be a minefield and I’m tired of the continuous denial that s/ansa’s stark love interests are those two guys but nah let’s give her all the hot guys as if it’s not like... against the text, I’m tired of people denying book canon and I don’t want to see the show version anymore. I have nothing against like... liking showsansa or shipping j/nsa (even if idc for it same as idc for jon/erys) or shipping her with anyone and I don’t judge anyone’s shipping preferences but I’d just like some intellectual honesty when it comes to discussing the actual text and admitting that showsansa is basically cersei lite and nothing like her book self, and that’s not something that happens outside those two corners now so *shrug* and I’m not even touching the BRIENNE AS THE BODYGUARD concept as last time I tried to discuss it on twitter without bringing shipping into it I got accused of hating f/f ships and honestly I’m too old and tired for this discourse except to say that making brienne or arya s/ansa’s bodyguards only is rude af, shows zero understanding of the text and I really don’t want anything to do with it. :/
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