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rieldraws · 2 years
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The fact that they had Beyonce in the remake and a scene of Nala escaping and yet didn't use this song... 💀
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Sometimes bad things happen (like all of your friends and family starving because your uncle is a terrible king), and there’s nothing you can do about it. So why worry?
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raptor1312 · 5 months
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Scar: "Something is missing… what is it?"
Zazu: "Your grasp on reality?"
Yeah so the Broadway performance is AMAZING and I had to draw this
Also bonus
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take-the-el · 7 months
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Hyperfixation 🧡🦁 should be explanation enough
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asexual-juliet · 1 year
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larsisfrommars · 2 years
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istadris · 2 months
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Finally watched the Lion King 2019 remake because it was on TV and I wouldn't have to look for it, and now that I have seen it, I can finally judge it by myself instead of listening to everyone else's opinion.
It sucks.
I'm sure if you never watch the original movie before or after, it looks correct. After all, the CGi is amazing (Timon and Pumbaa were the highlight in term of animation honestly) and Hans Zimmer's score, despite the modifications, still feel amazing.
But on it's own it feels so...bland and unsubtle. For a movie trying to more realistic, so many dialogues and moments felt so heavy-handed. Sometimes I felt like watching the Lion Guard, when they have to spell out everything to the audience.
Except the Lion Guard's audience is TODDLERS, and even then it has many moments with surprising maturity and logic from such a show.
Meanwhile TLK 2019 has so many moments "As You Know" moments where the character explains something that everyone present should already know and not need reminding. Or characters seeing a thing and instead of showing their emotions, explicitly saying what's going on.
Most of the changed lines felt so...bland and generic. Something you would expect from any typical movie.
To give you an example : the aftermath of Mufasa's death.
In the original, when Scar finds Simba, he asks him "what have you done?" In a cold, judging voice. But when Simba starts to panic from the guilt, he takes a mask of false comfort and understanding. Of course Simba didn't mean it, no one could...yet the facts are here. The king is dead, and if Simba wasn't there, he would still be alive. He just states it, and let Simba draw the awful logical conclusion (that he caused his father's death) before he adds concerningly "what will your mother think?" Again, letting Simba draw by himself the conclusion. The audience is in Simba's place for a moment as they answer the same question ; what would their mother feel if they knew they caused their father's death ? It's such an awful thing to consider, it leaves Simba disoriented and ripe for Scar's manipulation and pretend help. The only solution is to run, far, and never face the consequences.
And in the 2019 movie...once Scar finds Simba, he doesn't give him time to think by himself. Beating him (and us the audience) over the head about how Mufasa had projects for him, that he gave so much to Simba, and this is how he thanks him ? He insists on how he killed the king, how Bad that is.
It feels so off tone. Simba doesn't care about what Mufasa has for projects for him, he is crying because his DAD died !!! He's not caring about the consequences of the king's death, he's a child who just faced the most horrible situation in his life !!!
And they keep doing it so many times ! Many scenes of Mufasa with Simba are originally here to show that while Mufasa is teaching his son about the responsibilities of the throne, he first and foremost cares about him as a FATHER. The 2019 movie keeps insisting again and again on Simba's role as a king or future king instead of a character! Why?? Why not show more of the king's duties then ?? The rare times 2019!Mufasa has king duties, it's glossed over or even shows him disrespectful of his subjects (Zazu's pouncing scene being an egregious example).
In comparison, the Lion Guard shows again and again *what* being a king entails for Simba and his family : duties, responsibilities, political meetings, protection, judgement, social work.
The Broadway musical added scenes of "slice of life" like the Hunt to show what the lions are up to when they're not talking about being king.
This is what infuriates me most about this movie. It's NOT the only adaptation of the Lion King. The Broadway musical also adapted faithfully the story. But the difference is :
They adapted to the medium. What fit a musical was kept, what didn't was changed. What was kept was tailored for a musical with dancing humans as the characters ; the most obvious example are the costumes.
What they changed, they did it with an understanding of the original material. The added songs fit the original African themes and make sense in context. They gave more importance to Simba's inner conflict with an arc about not finding his place and songs that completed this arc; they gave more room to Nala's own arc, emphasising her sisterhood with the lionesses, her bond with the land, and her conflict with Scar leading her to the heartbreaking Shadowland song, as her love for her land forces her to leave to find help.
The 2019 movie wants us to have the original movie in mind all the time. Yet when they try to be original, apart from a couple of scenes, it falls flat because it doesn't understand the point of the initial scene in the first place!!
It's genuinely infuriating! It could have had it's own identity by exploiting the "live action" aspect more ! But even the cinematography feels worse !
I knew I wasn't going to like this movie, but gosh, I feel all the more furious that we have a perfect example of a good adaptation right there !!
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quesadillawizard · 2 months
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Man, if I ever became a famous creator I would want Hawksaw to be a live action mini series where Deuteronomy is played by a puppet but not just like practical effects jim hensons stuff, I mean a puppet manipulated by an on-screen puppeteer/s that none of the other characters acknowledge like in Life of Pi or Warhorse or some of the animals in TLK Broadway.
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passimtemere · 5 days
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Absolutely laughing because Banzai, cannonly, has had worms (thanks Broadway TLK)
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life-in-toontown · 1 month
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That last reblog just made me wanna clarify that I absolutely hate 90% of Disney’s direct-to-video sequels but I do still like Lion King 2, despite having several issues with it.
I admit maybe this is just because I’ve been so deep into the Lion King fandom since I was a kid that disliking TLK 2 despite having so many problems either it just feels impossible lmao.
As for the problems, well first off there’s the one mentioned in the last reblog about how Scar having an heir that isn’t biologically related to him wouldn’t benefit him, but of course you can’t make him Scar’s bio son because that would make Kiara his cousin which means instead of their Love Song being “Upendi” it would instead be “Sweet Home Alabama”.
Also, where did Zira and the Outsiders come from? Yes you could say they were just background lionesses in Mufasa’s pride that remained loyal to Scar but then why weren’t they helping protect Scar once Simba came back and challenged him for the throne? I know the answer is “because the sequel wasn’t planned yet and they were worked on by two separate teams” but STILL, if you’re a person who completely accepts everything in TLK 2 as canon then it’s kinda hard to explain this one.
Also since Scar isn’t Kovu’s father then who is? And when did Zira have time to meet a male lion, mate with him then show her cub to Scar to convince him to let him become his heir? And what about Nuka and Vitani? I have seen a theory that Vitani is actually NALA’S daughter with the implication that the scene where Scar tries to seduce her (which was cut from the movie but used in the Broadway show) had a more horrific ending where Scar impregnated her and somehow Zira ended up adopting her. And while I do love that as a “what if” AU, I don’t consider it canon myself.
Now I’m gonna leave the massive plot holes for now and focus on little character pet peeves that annoyed me:
First of all, Timon and Pumbaa weren’t funny at all in this one. Like they’re one of Disney’s most iconic gay couples comedy duos but they were so “meh” in this. One time I did a screenshot redraw of them to resemble the art style from the first movie and in the description I added a rewrite of ways they could’ve been used better which I’ll link here just for funsies:
And now onto Nala. She was a strong character in the first film, leaving her home by herself to look get help, wasn’t afraid to call Simba out for refusing to go back to Pride Rock, plus she helped fight off the hyenas with the other lionesses. In the sequel? Well she popped a baby out which means now her only character trait is Supportive Wife and Mom. She only showed up to occasionally say “Hey Simba, chill out man, Kiara’s totally gonna be fine, stop worrying” then leave. Yes I know this was a father/daughter story but that doesn’t mean Nala has to be reduced to a robot that’s only capable of repeating phrases letting Simba know things will be fine.
And lastly maybe this one is just me, but I kinda wish Nuka as a tragic character was portrayed more. Yes I know his death scene was absolutely heartbreaking and yes you can tell he was jealous of Kovu getting his mother’s love but he was mainly just goofy comic relief. And I actually don’t mind him having funny moments but idk, I wish the tragic side of him was explored more before his death scene. Idk, maybe this one’s just me lmao.
So after all this you’re probably thinking “Wow are you sure you like Lion King 2? It sounds like you hate everything about it”
And like…I mean…I do but…can’t I also fantasize about how it could be better??
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marciabrady · 10 months
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What were your thoughts on the Disney live action version of The Little Mermaid??
It's a live action Disney remake and they're known for being creatively bankrupt for good reason. At worst, live action remakes ruin the original and at best they dilute the brand so it isn't as if it's going to be a good movie, but I think a lot of people are surprised it isn't as bad as we've come to see with other movies? Which, I will say, it isn't as bad as Cinderella 2015 (could anything ever be lol) and I would place it more in the shot by shot remake category of BATB and TLK. Over all though I wish they did their own thing with it (it's tricky though because it was a copy and paste in some respects, but then they left certain things out too that I thought was odd given how identical the plot is and how the absence of aforementioned dropped material weakened certain characters and storylines). I'm someone who holds original content dear to my heart (I haven't even seen the Broadway iteration because seeing someone who's not animated Ariel/Jodi be referred to by that name or singing Part of Your World just makes me sad, I even limit the park performer content I take in and I don't watch the sequels at all) so I did feel a little disheartened to see how much they copied and ripped from the original. Like the opening scene we see of her is taken directly from the animated movie, down to the dialogue, how they copied Part of Your World, even with the shot of her reaching toward the surface at the top of her Grotto, the waves splashing behind her on the rock, just everything and I don't know, it just makes me sad because it's done on such a higher budget now and people are saying it's "so much better than the original" and obviously this movie JUST came out and there's a way higher budget so it's going to appeal to modern audiences more but. It just feels like they carried everything over from the original to this film's detriment? Like...you can say the 1989 movie takes from the original story too and isn't original, but that production gave the mermaid the name Ariel and it gave her red hair and a green fin and a best friend named Flounder that was a fish and a crab named Sebastian and created the song 'Part of Your World' and a Prince named Eric, etc etc etc, and this movie copies it to the point where it doesn't even make sense? (Like even the new face character, who they market as a different person, is brushing her hair with a dinglehopper and is talking about her friends Sebastian and Flounder and it's like how is this different? lol why not give Halle's mermaid new or different friends or just something that set her apart and allowed the story to be original to Halle)
Like Sebastian and Flounder were invented for the medium of animation, so to put them in this photorealistic world just doesn't make sense. Why not make them merpeople and adjust their characters, or replace them with new characters that are humans/real actors? Also, why does her name have to be Ariel- why does she have to sing the same songs? Why can't she be her own character, why can't this film its own thing? (Also, Melissa and Halle both imitate the original at times heavily so that, even in the same scene sometimes, when there's a line that wasn't in the original movie and they don't have that vocal reference to go off of, they sound completely different than they did a few seconds ago; Naomi Scott's Jasmine does this sometimes, too) Because this movie is just going to suffer unflattering comparisons to the original- the Grotto destruction scene makes me feel nothing in this movie, the performances are flat and uninspired, the singing isn't anything to write home about. I think a lot of it comes from the fact that most of the cast didn't really fit the roles they were given- Melissa and Javier admitted to texting the director, begging for a part- and the director's openly shown that he doesn't understand a lot of the original movie so, if you don't understand the source material, it could never be adapted well. The first rule in Hollywood is never bash the movie you're remaking and the director did this many times (every live action Disney movie does). But, like I said previously when discussing BATB, maybe if it was its own thing, it would be passable because we wouldn't constantly be reminded by the superior version that already exists? I don't think Emma's Belle would've been that bad if they didn't make her an interpretation of the animated character? She doesn't need to be named Belle or have a garish yellow dress or sing the songs from the animated. They should've readapted the story and gone from there. Brandi's Cinderella is a perfect example- she doesn't dilute the original and, while there are parallels, she's totally her own performance and both can coexist peacefully without being at odds or making the other worse. She doesn't steal the original's dialogue or songs (I know she's an adaption from the stage show) and she brought forth her own portrayal that isn't copying or stealing anything from any other ones. I see a universe in which Ilene's Cinderella would exist without Brandi's and in which Brandi's Cinderella would exist without Ilene's.
Also, I don't really want to get into it, but I do think that this film presents us with really questionable ideals when it comes to how we depict women and there's so much in that movie that's genuinely problematic/reinforces negative stereotypes and I hope people will realize and push forth for better representation and artistic integrity moving forward. However, unlike really bad live action films where nothing good comes of it (Cinderella 2015, Maleficent), I do like how much positivity has surrounded the fandom because of this movie and I think viewing this film as a star vehicle for Halle fares much better than treating it like an interpretation of an animated film. I also hope this is a step in the right direction for better diversity and more people of color finding leading roles and that our casts will be more diverse in front of and behind the camera moving forward, because they were only scratching the surface here with what could've been done and it still ultimately reads as a very hetero/white production.
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moveslikeanape · 3 months
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hercules does have amazing lyrics, you're right! it's another one of my favorite disney movies and that's definitely one reason why. one last hope has so many clever lines! another disney song lyric that i've always really liked, from hunchback of notre dame, is in bells of notre dame: "they gazed up in fear and alarm, at a figure whose clutches were iron as much as the bells". and in the reprise: "whatever their pitch, you can feel them bewitch you, the rich and the ritual knells of the bells of notre dame". they're just such satisfying rhymes, and i feel like most of the songs in that movie have really nice lyrics.
i agree with you about the quality of disney lately. i actually enjoyed encanto, but many of their other recent movies have been disappointing to me in one way or another, and it's especially frustrating that they couldn't do better with wish. people have been creating fan works based on the concept art that i think are so much better than the final film was. i also agree about mulan! i love that movie so much, and the music in it too--i especially love the extra lyrics to reflection, that unfortunately ended up getting cut to save time. but i agree that true to your heart should've been kept in the credits instead of in the movie itself.
i think that makes sense about phil collins! wish's songs sound a bit too much like what you'd hear on the radio now, to the point that whenever i hear the song "knowing what i know now" i just get this nagging feeling that i've basically heard the same song multiple times before. and, as i mentioned in a previous message, the song "at all costs" sounds incredibly out of place in the movie. i won't explain the context of that song just in case i'd be spoiling it, but i'll say that the lyrics make it sound like a romantic duet and it very much isn't. i was baffled when i found out what it was actually about. tarzan's songs, on the other hand, are perfectly crafted for the movie and for the feelings they're meant to convey.
this also reminds me that elton john had never written broadway-style music before working on the lion king, but it's mentioned in disney's art of animation that one reason he wanted to join the project was that he loved disney's romantic duets and wanted to write one! and from everything else i've read, it seems like he loved disney music in general and really wanted to be able to capture the same magic that the movies that came before TLK had. it also must've helped a lot that he was working alongside tim rice, who did have an established career in musical theatre.
i'd definitely recommend reading the art of animation book! i still haven't finished it as life got a bit hectic for me this past week, which is also why it took me a few days to send this. but this edition has a huge section dedicated to the making of hercules, which was actually the main reason i picked it up: when i read the actual art book for hercules, i felt that it had a lot of beautiful artwork but wasn't as detailed about the production as it could've been. so far, this book seems to have a lot more of the detail that i wanted.
maybe i'll give tarzan 2 and the tv series a watch at some point! it's interesting that the tv series had episodes based on the novels. although it's too bad the characters weren't very well written in it, especially jane. i've had a similar experience where a movie i loved got a tv series based on it, and although i enjoyed certain things about the series, the characters felt really off and i ended up having mixed feelings about it as a whole. it's always disappointing when things like that happen.
it's also really cool that one of tarzan 2's songs was reworked for the broadway show! that reminds me of how the same thing sort of happened in reverse with the lion king 2: the song "he lives in you" was first used in the broadway show, and then later included in the lion king 2.
(also, sorry if this appears in your ask box multiple times. i'm having a strange sort of issue while trying to send it and i'm not sure if it's my internet or the site itself causing it.) -🌟
OMG, I live for the Hunchback soundtrack!!! If I was forced to choose, I'd say Hunchback is my fav Disney movie after Tarzan. The songs and score are so gorgeous. And that line you chose, "whose clutches were iron", is a perfect example of brilliant lyrics. It defines Frollo's character perfectly and sticks to the subject of the song. And then there's Topsy Turvy… every line of that song is pure gold!
From what I've heard of the movie, and what I've heard about/seen of the concept art this is probably the first time where it's a disappointment seeing the concept art… getting to see what could have been and knowing we got so much less. They need to stop running the studio like a business and go back to Walt's ideals. "Quality will out". Let the artists to what they're best at, let them make the movie properly. They're going so far downhill they're almost at the point where they can't rely on people just buying it because it's Disney anymore.
I know that they need to "keep up" with modern tastes and style, but the songs should feel fresh. If they feel like you've heard them before, it should be because they feel like Disney songs, especially for something meant to celebrate Disney. And I don't think I've ever heard a Disney song that was as far off as you say "at all costs" is. If a song is done properly, you should know exactly what's going on without having context. Otherwise, the songs meaning is not getting through, a definite sign of poor writing.
That's a good point about Elton John and Tim Rice. Tim knew what he was doing, and Elton wanted to do that very thing. Obviously they needed to bring some of themselves into it, that's why they got hired in the first place, but it still needs to serve the movie. Kind of like the animators themselves… you have many people working on many characters, but they all have to feel like they fit in the world of the movie. The artists bring some of their own style, as you can see in concept art, but at the end of the day they have to serve the film and make it feel whole, not just a bunch of stuff thrown together. (I also love the trivia about Can You Feel the Love Tonight, that they wanted it to be completely sung by Timon and Pumbaa until Elton put his foot down. He'd written it in the tradition of the great Disney love songs, and didn't want a "big, stinky warthog" ruining it, lol)
Ya, that's one thing that's kind of disappointing about the "art of" books, they're more artwork and little notes than an actual in-depth making of… true there's only so much room and a true making of book would be huge, but still. Hope things slow down for you soon!!
I'm sorry that happened with the movie you mentioned, it's so disappointing when that happens… I get lower quality because of a smaller budget, but the characters should at least feel the same.
Tarzan 2 and the series are definitely worth at least one watch, if for nothing else than the new adventures. Tarzan 2 is seriously cute though. And although it's different actors playing Tarzan, Terk, and Tantor, Glenn Close and Lance Henriksen came back to voice Kala and Kerchak!
You're right about He Lives in You! Love how the broadway productions inspired by a movie can turn around and inspire the movie series.
(Ugh, that had to be frustrating! I only got the message once though. Hope it was just a one off problem!)
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yelenasdiary · 11 months
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So I watched The lion king broadway musical and I'm gonna say..I cried sm omg especially on nala's song (which it's shadowland)
So here is my request!! :DDD
Wanda and her s/o goes to the tlk musical (wands just went to the musical bc her s/o was begging to go), and when Shadowland (the song nala sings) starts to play wanda is just chill abt it, only for in the middle of the song realize that her s/o is gripping her hand hard. When she goes to face s/o to ask what's wrong, she just sees s/o with Tear-stained face, biting her lip hard to not let out a sob.
Wanda just stares at her with the most flabbergasted face, when they start singing the chorus "And where the journey may lead you (me)" s/o just says fuck it and starts to sob against wands chest, after the musical Wanda just asks what was that
(BTW I cried so hard that my parents asked tf was wrong w me)
Hey there!!
I'm not sure if you'll see this as you sent this a long time ago but I'm going to pass this on to any other writers who might want to take this request one!
I'm not a lion king fan, I haven't see the OG simply because I can't deal with singing within movies so I actually have no idea what songs these are or what the storyline follows. So I think it would be better if somebody with a background on Lion King wanted to do this, they could! 💖
I hope you understand x I'm also glad to hear you had a lovely time at the show, it sounds like it was wonderful and something to remember! x
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It has been brought to my attention that over the course of the week, someone has gone to great lengths to spread lies and misinformation about me across several platforms. It has come time to apologize once more for things done in the past and explain myself.
So, please, I ask that you hear me out and reserve judgment until you’ve heard my side.
The main thing I would like to address is the ableist claim. I understand tone is hard to read in text format. I realize that what I said might have been read as malicious when that was not the intent.
What happened that led up to that regretful comment was this; Someone continued to deny an artist as the original source of their redraw, and refused to listen. I wasn’t trying to be malicious, but understanding. I wanted a better context of the situation so that I could try and explain to them why it was wrong to redraw someone’s art and claim it as theirs. But it was taken out of tone and out of context. I honestly didn’t mean any malicious intent towards them or anyone else when I asked. It was purely innocent. But I realize I should have worded my question better, and differently. Since then, that mistake, despite my having honestly apologized before, has been frozen in time by people who hate me and brought up time and time again, making me regret and hate having asked in the first place. So I would like to honestly apologize for making that comment.
The second accusation is me being racist. It is a lie. What really happened; another member was complaining about people drawing TLK characters as humans. If I remember correctly, they were very vague with the status post. It was so vague in a sense that I initially agreed with them. Then they showed their true colors by openly telling their followers how to find the artist that set them off in the first place, and thus targeting that artist. That’s when I stepped in to defend the artist they were dogpiling. Because of this, I’m seen as a racist.
Whitewashing and blackwashing is a thing that happens. I won’t deny that. It can and has happened in fandom spaces, I’m sure. But accusing someone of being racist over defending an innocent artist from dogpiling because they didn’t agree with you doesn’t make them racist. Lions have no race. If people are drawing the broadway actors white, then that would be whitewashing. But otherwise, lions do not have a race and have been a symbol of royalty for thousands of years. Even Disney’s Robin Hood, King Richard and Prince John are lions, but their characters are white. They are depicted as lions because they are royalty.
The third accusation is me being lesbophobic. I would like to apologize to the person I commented on their deviation. I still don’t understand shipping Rei Rei and Zira together. But if you’re willing to tell me the story, I’m willing to hear.
Unfortunately, after that was revealed, my stalker accused me of being lesbophobic. And I ship Lumity, and a couple of gay Transformer ships. I also ship Hicretstrid, a polyamorous ship. And have gay OCs.
I understand that I come across as harsh to many at first glance and for that I’m sorry if I sound intimidating through tone. I’m really a chill person once you get to know me.
But this character assassination witch hunt started because I openly admitted to being pro ship. Pro ship originally meant to be supportive of a specific ship or shipping in general. That we wouldn’t maliciously dogpile someone or suicide bait anyone over a specific ship. But far too many people have twisted the term, using the label to describe their feelings towards ships with problematic elements that were not and should not be accepted IRL. And I get that, we’re all allowed NOtps and squicks. I have NOtps and squicks too, but I won’t dogpile or anything malicious over ship preferences. I’m just gonna be chill with what y’all ship.
Everything that was used out of context against me was old. I have never done or said anything like that since, and have done my best to better myself as a person and correct my behavior. I have made mistakes, but I try to apologize for them when I do.
I’m not mad at my stalker. I pity them, and hope that they find peace of mind to move on.
Thank you for taking the time to read this and hear my side.  
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shibainu2006 · 1 year
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I saw your post about the Lion King on Broadway thingy, and thank you!! That's what I've been saying! lol I'm so happy I was not the only one who saw it :))
I'M GLAD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE, CAUSE DAMN!!
That was way too obvious!
Wonder if... I can still get tickets to tlk Broadway...
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