#tma 185

[burninginthegymplplinko]

MAG 185 - Locked In

doodle 185/200; days left - 17/110 1/128

>:DD yeeeas the most important ep for The Great Ass Debate 2021 <3

#tma #the magnus archives #tma 185 #mag 185 #tma s5 #.

[rebeccasteventaylor]

Intrigued by the way in TMA 185 its implied that the day the world changed, people were aware something was coming, were nervous and tense all day.

#the magnus archives #tma 185

[lilsprout-exe]

jon making jordan an avatar to try & stop his pain:

#tma jon #tma 185 #the magnus archives #tma

[lilithvibeplace]

TMA 185 spoilers

i havent actually started it yet but i just got hit with the warning abt it being over police and authority so i’m sure my lower-class communist ass who has been incessantly harassed by the police and government authority my whole life will react perfectly fine to this episode.

after all as i just said a day ago nothing will ever hit as hard as ep 170

- clueless individual

#tma #tma 185 #jonny you cant make me cry twice in one season this is going to be an unforgivable crime #tq hyperfixations #tma spoilers

[gammija]

@a-mag-a-day I'm hit with the sudden realization that when Martin says "Yes, right, I get it. Dream logic. And timing apparently," he's not just referring to the prison they were in randomly transitioning to an open field drenched in rain - it can also be read as Martin finally accepting that his place in the Eyepocalypse is as a watcher, and thus now able to confront his own domain.

The possibility of Martin having a domain is brought up as early as 167, but he doesn't want to know about it. 183, he's forced to deal with it, but still doesn't really want to hear about it, and draws a line with himself on one side, avatars' on the other, though Jon calls him out on it and he does choose to go there.

But he only really seems to accept it in this episode, by talking more to Jon, and internalising the idea that most avatars/watchers really weren't necessarily any different from him. Culminating in him finally putting himself on the same side as the other watchers semantically -

- and the whistling lonely static kicks in

#tma #tma theory #the Magnus Archives #either this is smart or im just v slow on the uptake on this one #most posts i make are just putting into words certain interpretations I've had for literal years #but this is a genuine new one #probably cause I've not relistened to 185 much #maybe the fewest among with the final act of episodes #martin blackwood #tma s5 #mag185 #a mag a day #magnus archives #Joos yaps

[a-mag-a-day]

Something new I noticed about this episode: we seem to get the smallest of glimpses into how the Change happened closer in London.

Basira previously mentioned how it happened in waves, but now we see one of the many countless ways a victim was placed in their Domain for this new world.

It honestly makes me wish Jon would have gone more into describing HOW people were placed in their Domains...

We can infer from previous statements how some of the people ended up where they did... for example, sleep seems to be a common way to enter the Buried, so those people could've have woken up underground.

Were others compelled or lured? Some, like Wonderland Hospital or the tenet bulidings, I see they being already there. Others are less clear to me, were they compelled or lured there?

It's a very fascinating concept of the Fears sorting through 7 billion+ people for their own Domains, I would've liked to have seen a little bit more on that!

Definitely! For people with multiple big fears how was it decided which domain they would go to? Also in Oliver’s report I think he mentioned domains would steal people from other domains due to the End actually killing people, so how did that work?

#a mag a day #tma #the magnus archives #episode asks #mag 185 #itssomethingcosmic #mod elian

[cirrus-grey]

"The sky, Arthur, the sky!" John's voice is horrified.

"What?" Arthur asks, terrified and impatient.

"It's looking back."

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The Dreamlands get some unexpected visitors.

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[themagnustournament]

Round One Part Seven - Match 61

Rip Barnabas Bennett. But in other news, Jon's back in the Archive! Who needs humanity, anyway?

MAG 092 - Nothing Beside Remains | Spotify - Acast - YT | Wiki | Transcript

Statement of Barnabas Bennett, as given in a short letter to Jonah Magnus.

MAG 185 - Locked In | Spotify - Acast - YT | Wiki | Transcript

An examination on the nature of Justice. Recorded by the Archivist in situ.

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[lycanlovingvampyre]

MAG 185 Relisten

Activity on my first listen: cutting the jasmine in my garden.

"So when she turned and saw them standing there, so official in their vests and helmets, what else was she to think? Ah, thank goodness, it flitted through her mind as Tina felt herself relax, whatever it is, someone is taking care of it. Because that’s what they were for, to take care of these problems, to shuffle people away for their own protection, and keep the world working as it should be." There is an episode of The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, when Will and Carlton drive the car of a friend of the Banks' family somewhere to meet up, and being two black young men in a nice car, they of course get pulled over. Will already knows what this means, but Carlton (while being black has still lived a rather privileged life because of his dad's wealth, private school, country club, a butler etc.) was super oblivious about the officer's suspicions and intentions. I always have to think of this episode when I think about MAG 185.

"This did not happen to people like her." I mean, I do think MAG 185 isn't about the typical racial profiling per se, more about it happening to people who think of themselves to be so privileged and safe from police brutality, that they never would have guessed it could also happen to them?

"It had all been there, all of it. Her life, her loves, her choices, her mistakes. No details spared, no nasty inference ignored." That's one of the domains, that can't be sorted that easily. This is clearly Eye, and even before Tina was arrested she felt like being watched. Then the identical looking police men who arrested her sound like the Stranger. That thing with the world just carrying on without her and even if there are people noticing, they antagonize her like the girl hurling a stone at her and the father quickly shooing her away in terror could be Lonely?

"'None of these things are illegal,' she had said." And Spiral?

Hmm, I mean yeah, that statement had rather few fantastical things happening which makes it seem more realistic and not like a supernatural, impossible twisting of reality.

MARTIN: "No it’s just… Is that how these creatures see us now? As one of them?" JON: [Amused] "I forgot that’s a new experience for you." MARTIN: "Excuse me?" JON: "You have to remember I’ve had this for years. Right from the start, it’s always been ‘Archivist’ this and ‘Archivist’ that. All these weird, awful creatures assuming I’m ‘in’ on all the secrets. Even when they were trying to kill me, they treated me like I was a… a peer." Hm yeah, we know it because we're seen primarily Jon's story, but there are big chunks of information missing for Martin (especially S3 and 4). Even though he was there when he was been addressed as "Archivist" for the first time. Or for the first two times? Elias singing "dear Archivist" at Jon's birthday, and then when Prentiss texted him (lol, that sounds funny...)

JON: "Not all of them. And now? Sure the power’s shifted, it’s all politeness and respect, but it still feels just like more of the same. I guess I just stopped caring at some point. Besides they are technically right, I am one of them. To a degree." Yeah, in the beginning they were like "Ohhhh, did I hurt the poor young Archivist? What'cha gonna do? You're gonna cry? Gonna run to Elias?". Then after the coma it's suddenly "What are you doing... Stop it!" and now they're full on Schrödinger's douchbag with "Pls don't kill me, I didn't mean it! It was just a joke!"

MARTIN: "It’s not the same. I’m still just your ‘plus one’." JON: [Amusedly] "Don’t put yourself down. It’s not your fault you’re a bit overshadowed. I am such a very big deal after all." MARTIN: "Oh, very big arse, more like it." Lol

JON: "Either way, even if I wasn’t here, I don’t think you’d be in any danger. Not anymore. I wasn’t sure when we first started out, I hadn’t properly, er… looked into it, as it were. But now I’m certain." Still, I think Jon actually did mean the "I won't let it [harm you]" in MAG 161. He would have fought tooth and nail if he had to in order to protect Martin.

MARTIN: "I’m one of them." JON: "One of… us." MARTIN: "That’s not as comforting as you think it is." JON: "Doesn’t mean it’s not true though." Still a bit in denial^^

MARTIN: "Even though I didn’t ask for it? Did nothing to deserve it?" JON: "‘Deserve’. Huh. Now there’s a word that always causes trouble." MARTIN: "Don’t be patronising." JON: "I just mean that nobody here deserves the position they’ve found themselves in, not really. I suppose a few may have asked for it, sought it out even, but far more didn’t. They just made the wrong choices for the right reasons. Or even the right choices. But ones that still led them here in the end." NOT REALLY! Also, yes, more philosophizing about morals, I love that shit!

INSPECTOR: "Argh! Look, you can’t know if they’re all guilty, alright? It’s just about evidence…" Right, so if that one's here in this domain, then was Tina in the statement really that innocent? "None of these things are illegal" can mean a lot of things.

INSPECTOR: "Hey, fuck you, you scrawny little tit! What the hell do you know?" Luckily, there are a lot of awful people out there who, sooner or later, will show their true face in public (And then this becomes a whole new problem when the majority of society can’t understand why that was wrong...). Also, we got a bit of physical description of Jon there! I never really gave anything to Nikola's "little Archivist" in MAG 97, I thought she meant it in a belittling way. But Jon get's called "little" again, so I guess there's something to it xD Also, we knew he's not the fittest since he gets tired from carrying a metal pipe around, but another confirmation here, boy's scrawny!

MARTIN: "No, you were right to. That’s… that’s a lot of power to have to deal with. Lot of responsibility." JON: "Yes, thank you, Uncle Ben." MARTIN: [Chuckle] "Pop culture? Really?" JON: "I’m allowed to know what Spiderman is." Even if Jon embodies this old fashioned dark academia look, I don't think that's him at all and people just misjudge him. He's been a bookworm in his childhood after all!

MARTIN: "Not helping people is still a decision, isn’t it?" JON: "Well, you saw Jordan, I’m not sure ‘helping’ is –" MARTIN: "I know, I know, not the right word. Ignoring them then." JON: "Yes. It’s a choice I’ve been making a lot recently." MARTIN: "I guess we should get used to it. Knowing that all these awful things are happening for our benefit." JON: "Maybe it’s better if it never gets comfortable." MARTIN: "Maybe." Huh, that's a thought you can convert to rl. The luxury we live in first world countries is sustained at poorer country's cost. And it's so hard to fight this, to try and get resources, which were traded fairly or get them locally. And if you can find something like that, then you need to be able to afford it because these things are of course a lot more expensive than the exploited thing.

Heh, how that familiar Lonely squealing already starts and Martin immediately noticing^^

That is a really cool cliffhanger. Not only teasing Martin's domain, but Martin and Jon being separated in a Lonely domain, again!  

@a-mag-a-day

#a-mag-a-day #mag 185 #tma #tma spoilers

[chaoticpinetree]

Ajhgfgjh Martin's domain is... Kinda nice? I mean to him. Obviously not to the people trapped there, although you know, it's probably nicer than some other domains are to other people. Not that it matters because you know, I've been thinking.

Like the domain from the previous episode, where people are imprisoned wrongfully, I was thinking 'well compared to some others it's not so bad' and, well... I assume this means I wouldn't end up there. I would end up somewhere else. Because people don't end up in the domains that make them go 'huh I could survive that', they end up in domains that truly and constantly torment them. But that's, well, obvious, it's just something I wanted to get out of my head.

Anyway back to Martin's domain lmao the fact that he pretty much just had another version of himself there to talk to, sort out his thoughts and have some peace because even though he loves Jon, he need some quiet and he can't get that out there in the apocalypse, it's a bit funny but it does make a lot of sense honestly

And, ouf, the moment when he had to consider that no, no I don't think I could ever kill Jon, but any other price I will pay.... Bestie... Uh...

Anyway! Off I go, cleaning to be done and more episodes to listen to

#tma #tma reactions #the magnus archives #mag 185 #mag 186

[mamahersh]

I have been left on a cliffhanger, and now I understand in some small measure how people felt in the gap between MAG 185 and 186. What a great cliffhanger tho, with Jon phasing out and Martin nodding along till he realizes he's alone and the tape ends.

Quick commentary tho on the actual content of today's three eps: 

I find that most statements in S5 this far have generally fallen in one if two categories: the ones that are there for the "message" and the ones to help push along elements of the plot. Generally there wasn't much overlap in the first half of the season, but now that we're pushing into the endgame there's def some more overlap occurring. Admittedly MAG 183 (Monument) falls more into the former than the latter category but we do get the introduction of Martin's "personal journey" plot arc leading up to the entrance of London. But more to the point, I enjoyed Monument in part because having gone through a Bachelor's degree in Physics at a smaller state University, you tend to bump into at least one or two of the type of people that were stuck in the Monument. Admittedly, none of the professors I knew were ever that cartoonishly prideful, but there was always that one female Dr. who would give out reprimands if she was ever addressed as anything else if you messed up more than once. But also not to say that professors and doctors who are that cartoonishly prideful don't exist, just means I was lucky enough to have never met them while I was in school. I will say, seemed a *bit* sexist to imply all the academically prideful wankers in the tower were all men, but I get it; most people who go to those lengths for their academic careers generally *are* men and particularly those who would fear being so very very wrong... Well I get. I don't agree, but I get it.

Now that I've alienated my audience, MAG 184 (Like Ants) is almost serendipitous in relation to MAG a day: two Corruption statements in one day? what’re the odds? But in any case, this was a great set up for revealing Jon's other major power relating to other people in the apocalypse... Upgrading people from Watched to Watcher. You may ask, "if Jon's trying to be better, why would he curse someone to Avatarhood?" Well for a lot reasons, most of which he explains in the episode, but I think a reason that was too... Basic? To be spoken would be he was curious to see what would happen exactly and wanted to give the gift to someone he cared about personally. Listen, this man has been asking questions since we met him and after he Became it got 10 times worse. Even in the Apocalypse he's been asking questions it's just now he has instant access to all the answers that the Eye has. So do you really think Jon, if given the choice between less guilt and getting his questions answered, would ever actually choose "less guilt"? Thank for listening to my TED talk.

Gosh, I loved though how *finally* Martin seems to be realizing at least a little where Jon's coming from. Yeah yeah, unlawful detainment, Jonny feeling the need to apologize for it getting too real... Listen it's appreciated but hilariously enough it was a "bit too real" with war flashback central back in 163. Anyways, back in topic, 185 was great because Martin finally connects the dots on why Jon isn't smiting everything he sees and why he hasn't been raising everyone they bump into to Avatarhood. Why the domains perpetuate even without a guiding hand and what happens when they are *truly* removed of their foundational fear.

But what interests me more is how Martin tries to decide whether the inspector should be "lifted up". Martin has always tried to make the world a better place after the end, and it's interesting that he seems to think that that means people should strive to be better people to do so. Not happier, not necessarily less Fearful, but going ever towards a world where Love outweighs Fear as a grand whole. So when given the choice of potentially lessening one man's suffering but forcing him to instead subsist on the suffering of others, he asks Jon whether the man would enjoy that new existence of living on other people's suffering? Jon basically says yes, based on the man's previous behaviour and outlook before the apocalypse, he more than likely would, and so Martin judges the man and tells Jon to leave him. So instead of lessening the man's suffering but ultimately encouraging him to be a worse person by "rewarding" his previous bad behavior and allowing him to feel good about hurting other people; Martin chooses to keep that man in suffering so that when him and Jon eventually save the world, he can come out of it potentially having realized that what he had been doing was wrong because had had suffered like that himself.

Martin, in this choice, has learned that him and Jon have basically been given the power of deities: to judge if someone is worthy of less suffering, and then to make it so they have greater responsibility, if a similarly miserable existence. Martin has made the choice that he would rather people do not live if they are to subsist off the suffering of others, particularly if they enjoy it. And if I've heard the rumors about the next episode correctly, Martin will discuss with himself the full implications of his world view to their logical conclusion and I actually can't wait to discuss it.

EDIT: I revised the MAG 184 section a bit because I had forgotten (somehow) that Timothy Hodge and Jordan Kennedy were two very different people lmfaooooo.

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[alukardtheabysswalker]

I was half sleep listening to mag 185 and when it gets to the cast and goes "Tim Ledsam as Jordan Kennedy" and I was like "GUNPOWDER TIM????"

#I NEVER made the association before #but when I heard I was like 'oh yeah that IS his voice' #he's so much calmer than wheb he performs as Gunpowder Tim which I guess makes sense given what kind of character he is #tma #mag 185

[weakcori]

I'm stuck at mag 185. Not sure how I'll react to it with our authoritarian government repressing people for speaking out, especially since the war "special operation" started.

I'll probably just read the transcript, but I'm so used to listening to the episodes at work :(

That being said, huge thanks to the team for giving a warning and an apology before the episode. Wish they did the same in mag177 but yeah. Horror shouldn't be this real.

#the magnus archives #tma #peace for ukraine #freedom for russia #mag 185

[oaxleaf]

mag 185 - locked in

don't really know what to say about this one, to be honest. i'm lucky enough to have grown up in an enviornment where the subject of police brutality is something with very little direct impact on my life. obviously, i have a lot of really strong opinions on it, and i'd like to consider myself somewhat educated on the subject, but it's never been anything i specifically needed to fear. i suppose that is the particular perspective the story is told from though - the person who's never had to worry about falling victim to the system before. you need to be in a priviliged position to even have the chance to have enough trust to be betrayed. she's not even unaware that she's favoured, she just goes on and on about how this shouldn't happen to 'people like her'. it's not the pervasive fear and very justified mistrust of someone who's grown up in a position were they're the victim of law enforcement, but rather the sudden betrayal at realizing that the privilege that's always allowed you to get by when others suffers won't always be enough to make you invulnerable to the system. and these people don't care about how fucked up the system is until it fucks them over

this episode is a bit tonally odd, though. probably because it came out at such a relevant point in time. even mag 164 wasn't really about illness, and whilst most of s5 confronts very real life social issues, they're mostly these pervasive, very long-lasting issues, rather than something that is so very presently relevant as the discussion of police brutality was before and around the time of this episode's release (nov 5, 2020). it's a very important issue, but some topics are hard to discuss in fiction just because of how complicated they are and how they can't really be boiled down into a story-snippet, especially when the story involves elements of the fantastical. i think this episode really borders the line of that

it's important though. even in the larger themes and storyline of the season. the notion and reminder to not become to comfortable in your power and your position as oppressor. partly because the tide can always turn on you (in particular if you're not directly building the system but rather only protected by it), but also because that's just simply a shitty thing to do. the knowledge that you're responsible for so much hurt is not comfortable, but it really fucking shouldn't be. jon experiences so much guilt over his extreme sense of responsibilty for what the world's become, and although this guilt does lead to tragedy, him suffering because of it is so much more prefferable than him settling into and relishing in it

#tma #a mag a day #mag 185

[blazernot]

"I'm one of them" "One of... Us" Jon is taking to being an eldritch being quite well I'd say

#its his tone of voice #tma liveblog #ep 185

[girlwholovesturtles]

Locked In

So there's a verbal warning in the opener, I should maybe read the content warnings this episode I guess... I'm not sure I'm gonna have a good time with this episode.

So this episode is about wrongful imprisonment and police brutality and the like.

I'd like to have something to say but this is just upsetting. It's too real but I realize that they had given a warning about this.

I would assume this is another Slaughter domain?

Jon, that is not a healthy way to look at it...

Oh shit, the police who arrested the Elias are in this domain? I'm not gonna lie, if this dude is here, it's because he probably deserves it. Police brutality and all that.

Yeah, if he became an avatar then he'd just be another torturer. I don't think that guy earned that... Good, they're leaving him unchanged. I'm actually quite happy about this.

"I'm allowed to know what Spiderman is." What is this series? This episode was way too heavy for this.

Uh! Oh, Martin's domain! Aaaand they're separated...

#the magnus archives #tma #live blogging #episode 185