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sh4rkfinn · 26 days
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hey guys i’m putting together a tma Notebook (which is just when i fill a notebook/notebooks with just information about my special interests)
as of right now i plan on doing these categories:
a recap of each episode and the fear associated with the statement
a profile of each entity
a profile of all of the major characters
a timeline of all of the major events/ plot points
the significance of said major events/ plot point
interpretations for said major events/ plot points
am i missing anything ? is there anything i can add to go more in depth ?
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boxelzebub · 2 months
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I'm bored and can't stop thinking about The Magnus Protocol so I'm gonna place bets on which entity I think will claim each of the main characters as an avatar, if I'm wrong feel free to collect my debts lol
Sam: The Eye, my left kidney and gallbladder
Alice: The Web, $500 and a warm glass of spiders
Gwen: The Eye, Five $3 dollar bills
Colin: The Spiral, NFTs of the Archivist and a very lonely British man (they're boyfriends)
Lena: The Eye, A Target gift card worth $2.12
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littlebigmouse · 1 year
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TMA MAG42
I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT
Jon is deeply paranoid about whatever Martin's secret is, to a degree that it's distracting him. He hasn't mentioned Sascha (or Tim or Elias for that matter) yet much, and I do think they'll get their turns, but the important part is, right now Jon is falling for a Red Herring hook line and sinker. I wholeheartedly believe Martin's secret is, if not necessarily entirely benign, completely unrelated to the murder mystery at hand.
I mean, come on. Who would vague about a murder they've committed in an unsent letter to their mother, before the body was even discovered? Jon is on to something, sure, but it's not something that's gonna help him in any way.
I'm just totally in the dark about what Martin's secret could be. He's acting more competent, which I'd ascribe to Jon's unwillingness to consider Martin competent before. Alternatively, Martin, spooked by whatever is going on/the recent whole Prentiss business is now genuinely trying harder. The guy writes poetry and is only marginally embarassed about the fact, so his secret is going to be bigger than a say, a crush or an affair or heck, the theft of files or statements.
But who writes such a thing in a letter to their mother in 2016? I assume it was a handwritten letter, so Martin is either being particularly old school about it, or it was a vent on his part and he'd never intended to send it in the first place - which is sounding like the most likely option to me at this point.
This begs the question why he's writing venty letters to his mother specifically - other people keep diaries, unless it's something they'd like to specifically share with someone else. If Martin's mother is alive and they are close, he'd probably just share his worry about being discovered over tea. Since he doesn't seem to be airing out any grievances against her in that letter (like someone would in a unsent letter to an Ex or an abusive parent or something), I'd assume they're fairly close/that at least Martin cares about her, and since she presumambly didn't contact him while he was under siege by Prentiss the first time, maybe she's dead? And this is Martin's way of styaing close to a dead family member? Grieving? Coping? It would make his character more interesting for sure.
But that still gives me nothing on his secret, and why he's telling his mother specifically. Maybe I'm overthinking this again and the answer is glaring me right in the face.
Great Jon, now I'm also overthinking Martin and not focusing on Sascha.
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myfinalform-kaz · 1 year
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Listen I'd love to know whether they truly went Somewhere Else or not but if they haven't then my delusions of them being happy and healthy will crumble and I will become a husk of a man.
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bidwas · 1 year
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I mean... Following up on my last post Jon loved Martin so Martin could hurt and even kill Jon but...
Could he kill the Archivist? Or the pupil?
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bagelbucket · 1 year
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so my theory rn is that gertrude was killed because she was on the brink of this huge magical mystery involving most if not all of the funders. including cults and whatnot. jon is about to do the same and he’s going to be targeted too. maybe whatever’s going on in the background is actually so big that it’s negatively affecting other beings and they’re like um. well. (that one episode where sasha? I think? saw that weird guy michael and he was a “neutral party” or whatever)
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brave-symphonia · 2 years
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Back around shortly after I finished MAG 160, I had kind of convinced  myself that The Eye was the only one that could pull off the Mass Ritual, due to its position where it can have a connection to every power.
Like, every power needs to be somewhat known, that’s why they let someone go, and that person makes a statement, it adds a bit to the fear of that entity. And only the Eye has the Archivist, which can function as an Archive of fear.
But, in MAG 200, the statement says that The Web chose The Eye because of how foolish it was. Which implies that it wasn’t the only one. And thinking on it, that makes a lot of sense.
I even think I have two theories for how a ritual could be done. Either each ritual still has a way to function for their entity, or a power could steal The Archivist and make him close to them before using them to come through.
I think the former is more likely.
Like, let’s consider The Desolation. I think they could have had Agnes burn and still have it work, I think they just would have to prepare the ritual differently, so that not only she burned, but so some aspect of every entity burns with her.
Either have a funeral pyre with someone closely connected to each entity, with Agnes at the center. Or raise Agnes and have her burn into herself aspects of each and every entity one by one, culminating in a fire that brings The Desolation forth.
I also feel like there would not be “fear worlds” in The Desolation’s apocalypse. I think that was unique to the Eye, they seemed kind of like observation rooms. If that’s true, I wonder exactly how The End would take its victims in that world.
Because I assume that there’d be a similar thing stopping people from dying. Honestly, it might be that there would be avatars of each power causing pain and suffering for the Desolation, and avatars of The End would actually kill you. Which still guarantees an eventual end.
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dissolving-mansion · 2 years
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The "to subscribe to Robert Smirke's 14 or not" problem is a difficult one because it relates to a problem we haven't even been able to solve in real life: whether it is better to label something and empower that label in the process, or to refuse to label such a thing and relinquish our tools to deal with it in the process.
There may be "no such thing as a real name" but names still have power.
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glacierruler · 2 months
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Current update for the Magnus Archive,,,, to let everyone know where I'm at
I have... so many theories
I've only finished up to episode 74, I'm in the middle of episode 75
Sooo,,, Gertrude was killed for destroying the Leitner books, whoever she was keeping them from didn't like it. It's also why she was buying them, so she could destroy them.
Gerard Keay(turns out that's how you spell his name) has to be a good guy in all of this.
I do not like Elias. Even though the CCTV footage cleared him I still think he did it. He killed Gertrude. Or at the very least he knows more about it than what he's let on.
I feel so bad for Jonathan.
There are at least 2 creatures living in the tunnels underneath the archive room.
Gertrude was friends with the creature that told Jonathan to leave the tunnels on the 2nd floor(floor below the first below floor, idk what to call it, so...)
These spiders that inhabit human corpses are terrifying, but my love of spiders is stronger still. (I think that if I was to take the place of a character it would be Martin)
How has no one made the connection between "Sasha's" computer breaking and these horror creatures not liking or being compatible with technology, save for the guy who put himself in a computer. Especially with Jonathan's paranoia.
What creature is watching him record the records? It can't be Gertrude's ghost, because she felt watched too(which is why modern tech doesn't like to work in that room). I wonder if it's malicious, waiting to strike, or just neutral.
Michael likes chaos. It's chaotic neutral if you will.
Lukas family(or as I like to call them, the evil fog family) will return.
Agnes, I feel so bad for her, she desires to be like other humans. But she's not, and she knows it. I know she burned Jack's face off, which wasn't great, but still.
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noodlesewp · 26 days
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Gerry and gertrude being fine and dandy means my crack theory from before protocol started can still happen
They may be computers or jonny could be fucking with us
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bobliophage413 · 19 days
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i know it probably won’t be this BUT i’ve been entertaining myself thinking about what if alice and sam find the tape with episode 200 (maybe minus the part with basira n friends) in the ruins of the magnus institute and they just stare at each other like:
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guy from computer doing a murder
guy from computer lore dumping
SECOND guy from computer yelling at guy from computer for doing a murder
GUYS FROM COMPUTER ARE GAY FOR EACH OTHER? love wins.
what’s this about traveling other dimensions?
second guy from computer doing a murder. love loses.
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drownedbycoffee · 2 months
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THEY AREN'T THE FEARS ANYMORE!! THEY'RE DESIRES
(SPOILERS for TMA, and all of TMAGP episodes so far)
Okay, here me out
Tmagp1: Darla wants to hear Arthur's voice again. She even says: "I just couldn’t face the thought of the rest of my life never hearing him again, I had to try" and later on she even says: "But I had to know, so I went to the cemetery."
Tmagp1: RedCanary wants to know about the Magnus Institute. They want to know why it's listed under 'cleared' when there's no evidence of it. Hence why they go and explore it.
Tmagp2: Daria wants that absolute perfection. She wants to change who she is and get out of that dark place. When she talks about the thing that she felt was missing, she says, "... and that’s when I decide I need a tattoo. I had a couple already – just little things on my shin and my wrist – but I decided I needed something big. Something that really changed my look." She also mentions when talking about Ink5oul that "they just kept pressing me about my life, about why I wanted the ink" instead of asking what design she wanted. And when she got the tattoo she describes herself as now being, "Someone I wanted to know more about." Afterwards she even says how "For the first time ever [she] wanted to attempt a self-portrait. Something real and physical, [she] wanted to feel the brushes in my hands and the oil on [her] fingertips." I think a lot of her statement is about her desire and impulsive need for that perfection and that wholeness that she has been aspiring to for her whole life.
Tmagp3: Samuel wants to stay hidden. He wants and he "need[s] to get up, get out of here for treatment." He wants to get better and most of his delirious thoughts are the things that he wants, or feels like he needs. E.g. "I so much want to see it [the sun] again. This night seems endless. I want to be warm again. I am terribly afraid. Thank god for Maddie. I need to treat her better."; "I just need to rest."; "I need to be careful or we’ll drift apart." And then obviously as the narrative continues, Samuel wants to grow and 'put down roots'.
Tmagp4: The narrator wants to be revered and accepted into the Royal Court Orchestra of the Palatinate. He wants to show off and impress. The violin "was a creature with needs and purpose of its own. The needs were simple enough. Blood. Flesh." It has these needs and desires.
So far, I'm interpreting it to be that everything so far can be interpreted as a desire of sorts, varying in the strength and intensity of it. Obviously, fear is still a big part of it all, because if you want something so badly, aren't you afraid of it being stolen from you? Of it being out of your grasp? Of it being unachievable or impossible in some capacity? Of it being a lie?
Even Sam wants to find out more. He wants to know the why and the reason for things. Gwen wants Lena's job. Collin wants to fix all these bugs and keep Freddie running. Alice wants to just get on with it because she found out that wanting to know the 'why' of things is dangerous.
I think that somehow when the Web took all the Fears into a different universe, they morphed into something else. Or they changed to fit what was the most prevalent thing in that universe, because after all, everyone wants something, even if it's something small and inconsequential. Life and aspects of it has always been characterised by that desire for something. Like people wanting food, shelter, safety, love, warmth, happiness, etc. And I think since the Web was so intwined with Jon and Martin, it absorbed some of their emotions when it found its way into this new world, because after all Jon and Martin wanted to stop Jonah/Elias, to stop the apocalypse, to destroy the Panopticon, to be safe, and they wanted each other. I think the wanting and fear of things are really entwined in it all, though this could be absolute bullshit haha
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astridianmayfly · 11 days
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the subtle way that the magnus protocol is building its horror like a apartment complex over the graveyard that is the magnus archives is soooo fascinating to me. I don't just mean the inclusion of gerry and gertrude or the fact that gwen is a bouchard, I mean just the faint brushes of tma everywhere: sam and alice are exes, just like jon and georgie. something about needles and his coy-but-flustered monologuing is reminiscent of michael and the other twinkifiable avatars in tma. sam trying to break through locked doors and what we know about door symbolism. colin and his jon-like descent into paranoia, and his melanie-ish casualness around (probably) doing illegal or dangerous things. alice making corny jokes and sounding ever-so-slightly like Tim. Lena and food versus Elias and cake. the narrative is haunting the narrative...oh dramatic irony, we're really in it now
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lesbicosmos · 1 month
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hey guys what if the homophobic vase from mag38 sent all the missing objects to another dimension
and what if that other dimension is the hill top centre in tmagp
even the episode titles are similar!! lost and found / give and take
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cult-of-the-eye · 1 month
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I love the idea of digital leitners especially with the concept of terms and conditions and accepting cookies on websites I feel like they could do SO MUCH with that
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confused--cryptid · 2 months
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Okay hear me put
what if the fears arent the fears?
like think abt it, the statements so far havent been very afraid.
theyve all been obsession/desires.
Statement 1: Obsessed with seeing him again
Statement 2: Desire to explore the institute (this ones a lil shakier)
Statement 3: Obsession with perfection
Statement 4: Obsession with his ex (who he killed)
also jonny said the fears had been reconfigured, which what if theyve been reconfigured into the desires.
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