it’s a little frustrating sometimes to watch people try to “debunk” gay mike evidence by quibbling over things that are. kind of beside the point? like arguing that mike’s consistently negative (or even neutral, if you want the benefit of the doubt) reactions to girls aren’t “disgust” therefore they don’t mean anything. but like 1. yeah i agree, cates gate isn’t about mike being “disgusted.” mike’s face when el kisses him isn’t “disgusted.” mike’s reaction to el, to max, to girls in general doesn’t really read to me as “disgust” either. so 2. what DOES it read to you as? incredulity? confusion? discomfort? those…. still aren’t positive reactions.
the point is that mike actively and blatantly Does Not react positively toward el kissing him. and he also Doesn’t react positively to dustin’s description of a girl being “hotter than phoebe cates.” he asks “is she cute?” with maybe preemptive incredulity (in line with will's question "girls go to science camp?") over a girl who goes to science camp being cute, or perhaps just a neutrally curious state over dustin's new girlfriend, but then dustin doesn’t say “she’s hotter than phoebe cates.” he says, “think phoebe cates. only hotter.” that’s a prescriptive statement. you want to know if she’s cute, mike? think about phoebe cates, and then imagine someone hotter than that. and mike’s expression doesn’t improve in the slightest. think about someone hotter than phoebe cates, dustin tells mike. and mike? remains confused and entirely unintrigued. no, he’s not disgusted, but the point is not his negative reaction, it’s a complete lack of any sort of positive reaction. if he’s listening to dustin, he should have, in that moment, thought of phoebe cates. and his reaction?
nothing.
(but. this is also just to say... i don’t even think it's fair to call most of mike’s facial reactions “proof” of his sexuality in any argument… i think they’re fun little easter eggs that add an extra visual element to his gay characterization. but. it’s not WHY people think he’s gay. it's funny to point out BECAUSE he's gay)
[edit: AND this is not even to mention the direct line drawn to this in season four via stobin's discussion of fast times, linking phoebe cates to 'people who like boobies.' #notmikewheeler]
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okay hold on. hold on.hold on. the self aware jokes dan and phil are making have lapsed from mocking their shippers right into directly referencing the fact that they are possibly still together as a jab at how the shippers have no way of knowing whether they are
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Sexism? Implicit homophobia? Double standards? IN MY FAMILY?? 🙃🙃🙃
Bro 1 either got really drunk and stayed over at his friends (likely) or is MISSING (unlikely), but he didn't even send a text and didn't come home overnight and my mother is FLIPPING OUT and like low-key it's a little funny bc he's 23 and she's been letting him come home at all hours since highschool, I'm talking like, hes regularly crawling in when I'm getting up to leave for work, and sure he can do whatever he wants idgaf he no longer takes even a modicum of advice from others (tho it's super annoying when he wakes me up coming in at 4am since we're the only two in the basement)
HOWEVER, like, do u think he's gonna get any flack for this? Absolutely not. If I'm 30 min late coming home from work IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AT AGED 26 I get in SO MUCH SHIT. God forbid I fall asleep on the bus and forget to text that I'm running late. Or walking home from my Nonna's at night (less than 1 block) I have to text to say I lived, but none of my male cousins or brothers do, despite some of them being MINORS. Or like. I can't even take the subway at night without my mother constantly texting and begging me to let her pick me up like a child (aka tmg concert getting out at midnight but I very specifically stayed sober since I was alone) but nooo my brother can go bar hopping at all hours and she'll just. Go to bed and let him leave.
He can just do whatever the fuck he wants because he's a BOY and he's also our mother's FAVOURITE (the rest of the siblings all agree on that one, me and bro 2 are like 🤝 least loved & most criticized children solidarity), and he's also capable of SUCH anger, he's largely apathetic to the general world and highly selfish, but when he gets mad he he's MAD tbh I fear that anger a bit and so now no one will criticize him at all? He gets away with EVERYTHING and I can't even leave stuff out in the house where I LIVE WITHOUT GETTING SHIT
Also like he was living with his gf and not going to church and all that, and I literally Do Not Care At All, that's his business, but again the hypocrisy of it all from the parents, when theyre supportive of him - literally bought and moved their shared bed - even tho he's "going against their professed values" or however my father wants to phrase it, but god forbid I just EXIST as a queer person, even if I'm single. Like. HELLO???? I can never be out ever
Like yes I'm glad they're not assholes to him but also WHY DO I GET SO MUCH SHIT FOR LITERALLY MY BENIGN EXISTENCE
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Go talk about Dazai and Atsushi. I don't care if it's dangerous. I don't care if you will straight up kill me. I WANNA HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS
you are opening up such a dangerous can of worms. unfortunately they take up 98% of my brain space when i think of bsd so i have no many thoughts about them. their relationship is everything to me – genuine trust in one another's abilities while still goofing off and playing around, atsushi's desire to do anything to protect dazai and viewing him as perfect (although this is immediately met with "no he isn't he kinda sucks actually") alongside how to dazai, atsushi is redemption and a promise to keep to a certain friend long gone.
(this is from the Dead Apple light novel) this specifically drives me insane every time. they love each other! okay!!
i would also talk about their relationship in BEAST but i think that's an entire other can of worms to open because it's so complicated but i would also argue there is still genuine care for one another (mostly on dazai's part, since he has the upper hand here because of course he does, he's dazai) which is obvious in how he basically freed atsushi before his suicide and how he wanted atsushi to live in the light. i'm not normal about BEAST though i promise
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current mood: repeatedly banging my head into the wall because of animes that have Major Important Events happening over the span of decades before the "main story" even starts, but have NO ACTUAL OFFICIAL TIMELINE for when these Major Important Events ACTUALLY HAPPEN, forcing you to dive SO DEEP into reddit pages (and manga panels and anime screenshots and wiki pages and character data booklets) that you wind up with a master's degree in that anime JUST so you can piece together what MIGHT be a semi-viable timeline of historical events in the show that STILL has holes in it because the actual show decided "timeline? what timeline? we work on dramatic timing alone lol" was a reasonable organizational method.
if this seems very pointed and specific, it's BECAUSE IT IS.
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Wait so does Oct know that Jed has autism or no?
i guess he doesn't, but neither does jed. i don't think jed's diagnosed or has done much research into autism, he just knows he has certain needs and triggers and a different worldview to a lot of people. he's got a good solid support network and a job that works well for his lifestyle and mental health and he's pretty happy with where he's at with that kind of thing. he does have moments where he goes non verbal but again, he's used to this and so are his friends and he knows how to cope with it and it's not a big deal to him. octavius isn't really written to be autistic (though its kind of impossible for me to write someone who isn't because i am autistic myself) but he does have his own fair share of experience with anxiety and feeling overwhelmed in social situations so he really doesn't see jed as particularly different to himself. of course he does come to recognise and understand and accommodate for jed's specific needs, but i think he relates to him so much that he wouldn't really notice something like that
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