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bo0tleg · 2 days

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One thing I like about Top Gun (1986) is how believable the development with Ice and Mav's dynamic is.

I've seen a lot of the "Rivals suddenly become buddies after traumatic event together" in media, but I don't think I've seen it done better than in Top Gun. Mostly, I attribute it to how much build up it has.

Most of the time, the 'Rivals' hate each others guts throughout the entire movie/series and then they go through an extremely traumatic event that binds them for life and shifts their entire concept of each other. Ice and Mav never once changed how they saw each other, it just changed their understanding of it.

Ice saw Maverick as dangerous and Mav saw Iceman as stuck-up and commanding. And they weren't wrong, by any means.

From the beginning, they have tension between them because of how different they are. And it ends up in the audience seeing Ice as the 'Antagonist' because that's how Mav sees it, and we're seeing it from his perspective as the protagonist. But Ice was never inherently wrong, in fact he was right.

Other than his first scene, Iceman always has a point in what he's saying. He's criticizing Mav, not insulting him. Sure, he does it in a brash way because masculinity, but he's not trying to insult him, he's trying to knock him down a peg and wake him up to reality. All Ice wants is that he starts to act as a team player, start caring about everybody's safety AND his own, rather than being reckless for the sake of being reckless. But Mav sees it as an insult because he can't process criticism in a healthy way (due to how he grew up). The same thing happened with Charlie, for the record.

And so the strife between the two begins. What I like about it is how it bleeds out of them over time, becoming more settled as the movie goes on. In the locker room "You're dangerous" scene, the tension is palpable. It's obvious they're agitated by each other, and feel the need to prove they're the correct one.

If you pay attention, this whole... demand for superiority goes away as time progresses. They're fine with each other's presence, it's not like they're constantly at each others throat all the time. In the shower scene, Ice dropped all of the aggression and competitiveness from his tone and is instead just laying out what he thinks. He's not undermining Maverick, he's not lecturing him like a child. Iceman is just telling Maverick exactly how he sees the situation in hopes that it would make him realize what the fuck he's doing, but with little hope that it'll actually work.

That doesn't mean Ice is always correct either, he doesn't understand why Mav acts the way he does, thus fails to take into consideration the emotional trauma behind it. Which only causes even more strife.

The entire time, Iceman isn't being a dick for the sake of it, he just wants Mav to stop being stupid (by his standards). And Maverick doesn't understand it because all he gets from what Ice says is insults.

Maverick isn't good at understanding what people mean to say if it's implied, you need to say it to his face. This is the reason he stayed quiet in the shower scene, because Ice finally laid everything out in simple words that he can understand without making it sound like a dick-measuring contest.

Thing is, the tension mellows out. At the beginning, you could see the tension and cut it with a knife. By the middle you can see them getting used to each other without jumping to constantly trade jabs (namely: the volleyball scene, it's just a bunch of guys being dudes, and the scene where Charlie says that Mav flew recklessly in front of the whole class, Ice doesn't comment on it in any way). Over time, they've settled down into their tension without needing to address it all the time.

Then Goose dies.

And the tension between them is still there.

Just because Goose isn't there anymore, doesn't mean their whole dynamic vanishes all of a sudden. You can see their hesitation towards each other (especially Ice), and that's great! It demonstrates that Goose dying doesn't magically resolve their problems with each other in solidarity.

Ice tried to give his consolations to Mav, and is awfully awkward about it. You can see on his face that he wants to say more, but doesn't because he knows it's not his place given their history. And not much is said, but a lot it communicated. (Val Kilmer is a killer actor for this, OH MY FUCKING GOD BLESS THAT MAN)

Even in the graduation scene you can see how out of their depts they really are with each other. A stilted congratulations, that was it. But they're trying, and that's what matters.

A scene I think gets overlooked a lot is the scene right before the Layton, where Ice expressed his worries about Mav to Stinger, and Mav heard him. Because I feel like that was a shift that was more drastic than the Layton itself for them.

What Ice was doing in that scene wasn't doubting Maverick's flying abilities, it was his mental health. Sure, he passed the psych eval, but that means next to jack shit when in a real combat situation so close after his backseater dying. And Ice might be worried that he's gonna be left hanging, but with the way he was speaking I'm more inclined to believe he was more worried about Maverick's wellbeing than himself. Ice almost looked resigned. He knew it was gonna get dismissed because that's the military for you, but he still wanted to try to vouch for Mav to stay groundside, if only to keep his mind at bay.

But Maverick heard him, and as usual, he read it as an insult. He wasn't wrong to assume Ice didn't believe him capable of flying the mission, which wouldn't be a lie, but failed to realize that he had more than one reason to want Maverick on the ground rather than in the air. And for the first time, Maverick believes him.

Up until this point, Mav dismissed all of Ice's so called 'insults' because he was certain in and of himself. But now he isn't anymore.

And it affects his performance in the air. I'm not saying he was as shitty as he was at the start of that combat because of what he overheard, but I am saying that it certainly didn't help matters in the slightest.

So their weird 'stepping-on-eggshells' situation is all over the place by that point. Because they started to care about each other despite not being what one would call proper friends yet. It's establishing a potential friendship by implying that 1. Ice cares about Mav's wellbeing and 2. Mav cares about what Ice thinks.

On the ground, they have the wingman exchange, and their suddenly buddy buddy. Thing is, it wasn't sudden at all.

They've been setting this up the entire fucking movie.

Going back to what I said at the beginning: Ice thinks Mav is dangerous and Mav thinks Ice is stuck-up and controlling. After the Layton, they still think those things because they weren't wrong to begin with. What changed was that instead of seeing it as something that pitted them against each other, it was seen as something that simply was about the other, and that there was no changing it. It could be good.

Mav being dangerous could be good and Ice being stuck-up and controlling could be good, because those were just traits of who they were. By the end of the movie they didn't change how they saw each other, just how they interpreted each other.

And it was built up during the entire fucking movie.

There was a reason to why they acted the way they did with each other because of the stilted interpretation they had of each other. From rivalry to friendship (and perhaps more later down the line), it's glaringly obvious throughout that it wasn't a sudden shift, it was exponential.

That's why I think it was so well developed, because you could see it coming.

#I implied that Mav is autistic here and there because yes #i just love them your honor #this is what I call good writing folks #take notes #top gun #tg86 #icemav #iceman x maverick #top gun iceman #tom iceman kazansky #iceman kazansky #pete maverick mitchell #pete mitchell #top gun 1986

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foreveraweirdoneslife · 2 days

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How come I've never noticed this before?!

Look at this scene first:

-> Ice is looking at Mav's eyes first but then his eyes flicker down to Mav's mouth for a tiny moment.

Then look at this scene:

-> Roo is looking at Hangy's eyes first but then his eyes flicker down to Hangy's mouth for a tiny moment.

IT'S THE SAME!!! Like literally the same!

#they are so flirty #and it's right in the movies #val and miles you are geniuses making these movies so queer for our entertainment #top gun #top gun 1986 #icemav #hangster #sereshaw #pete maverick mitchell #top gun maverick #tom iceman kazansky #bradley rooster bradshaw #jake hangman seresin #hangman x rooster #iceman x maverick

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littlemodernbabe · 3 days

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Just realized they made Val Kilmer shave his chest hair for top gun and that is CRIMINAL

#tom cruise #pete maverick mitchell #pete mitchell #top gun maverick #bradley rooster bradshaw #jake hangman seresin #top gun #icemav #val kilmer #tom iceman kazansky #top gun iceman

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military-newsboys · 1 day

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Bradley: On a scale of one to ten, how would you rate your pain? Mav: Pi. Bradley: Pi? Mav: Low level, but never-ending. Bradley: Dad-

#Maverick #top gun #top gun 1986 #top gun maverick #Top Gun (1986)#Top Gun: Maverick #incorrect top gun quotes #pete mitchell #pete maverick mitchell #iceman #iceman x maverick #icemav #tom iceman kazansky #beau cyclone simpson #bradley bradshaw #nick goose bradshaw #bradley rooster bradshaw #Jake hangman seresin

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avianii · 20 hours

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

#top gun #top gun 1986 #tom iceman kazansky #ww2 ice save me #no clue what he flies tho #currently tbd

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polar-equinoxx · 1 day

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they are so tv girl coded….

#yeahp them #been listening to it almost worked on repeat for like two hours now :)))#THIS WAS SO NICE TO DO‼️‼️#ms tg #ms art #icemav #pete maverick mitchell #tom iceman kazansky #top gun #top gun 1986 #top gun fanart

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emmedoesntdomath · 22 hours

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tom kazansky is the kind of gay to have an eternal migrane. now, said migrane’s name might be pete mitchell, but that is not the point-

#he’s just a girl #he’s too pretty for this #top gun movie #top gun 1986 #top gun #tg86 #tgm #tom iceman kazansky #iceman top gun #tom kazansky #iceman x maverick #maverick x iceman #icemav #maverick mitchell #pete maverick mitchell #top gun maverick #pete mitchell #emme’s bad ideas

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unhealthy-obsesionss · 2 days

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TOP GUN FANDOM PLS TELL ME WHERE VAL KILMER MENTIONS ICEMANS DAD I NEED TO KNOW PLEASE

#top gun maverick #top gun #top gun fandom #top gun 1986 #top gun iceman #val kilmer #tom iceman kazansky

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salazarfaithaura · 21 hours

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Tom “Iceman” Kazansky circa 1986

#I hope no one has made this joke yet pls I’m innocent #tom iceman kazansky #top gun 1986 #top gun maverick

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doodledraw · 1 day

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Oblivion AU chapter two is now up and running! Things start to come together for Mav...and what that means, well, I guess we'll find out! Hope you enjoy!

#my art #icemav fanart #icemav #maverick x iceman #tom iceman kazansky #pete maverick mitchell #iceman x maverick #top gun maverick fanart #top gun fanart #top gun 1986 #digital art #doodledrawsart #fanart #procreate #top gun au #oblivion au #oblivion fanart #fanart of a fanfic #my writing

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mapled-penitentiary · 3 days

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thinking about them again (icemav 86)

hey babe wake up. top gun. watched a video about queer villany and oohuhhhhhhhhgllglggggg.ggg.

ice is, in the very since of the word, the perfect antagonist- hes rude, stuck up but in an obvious way, hes directly against everything maverick does while maverick is the hero (he has the same problems as ice though.) ice fits into the norm but at the same time we are only shown mavs perspective which is inherently different than almost all the aviators

you could argue "wow ice is evil" and like sure but its refreshing to see someone whos not entirely bad but rather misguided- we know icemans character is like this because of his father (ty val kilmer for this btw) , and hes trying hard to fit into a world that will never accept him. and that. honestly doesn't make him awful. even in arguably his worst times he still comes back, hes not an irredeemable character, nor is maverick.

they are such opposites that we never know whats the real "true" standard - mavericks not standard on being an outsider but iceman isnt either on being a hater with maverick

also funnily enough, iceman is one of the only charachters to actually have a big problem with maverick! slider, wolf, wood, sunny, etc etc dont shit talk him. but ice is constantly pushing back against those standards because maverick represents the wrongdoing to him.

DEAR G-D ICEMAN PLEASE STOP WITH YOUR INTERNALIZED HOMOPHOBIA AND KISS HIM ALREADY!!!!!

however as he grows up he recognises those actions- at the end of the movie he doesnt see maverick as bad. he sees him as good, and promises that hell be there. MWAH eating this redemption arc UP.

and while maybe ice still has skills that have to be worked on its not entirely evil- and connecting back to the queer thing, to show a charachter who looks evil but also is capable of growing and changing and not being evil just for being gay

maverick is more accepting of his identity but yet they still falter but they can still pick each other back up

i hate these gay bitches so much its actually sickening someone please sedate me .

#please yap to me about this #top gun #top gun maverick #top gun 1986 #pete maverick mitchell #topgun #icemav #tom iceman kazansky #lmk your thoughts im actually insane #leafies top gun stuff #leafies writing fr #leafies writing

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k9effect · 30 days

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Mav: Today I realised I'm old

Ice: What happened?

Mav: I fell in the mess hall and instead of laughing, Rooster came running to see if I was ok

Ice:

Mav: I saw fear in his eyes

#sam shitposts #incorrect quotes #incorrect quote #top gun #top gun maverick #pete mitchell #pete maverick mitchell #tom kazansky #tom iceman kazansky #iceman #maverick #icemav #rooster #bradley bradshaw #bradley rooster bradshaw