Just wanted to say your knowledge of movies in general and Thor lore in specific in amazing!
Realistically speaking, can we expect to see Fosterson together again? I still have hope in my heart that we will.
Thank you, Nonny ❤ Your words are very kind! I'm lucky enough to have had some amazing teachers who were able to help me understand story fundamentals... so it's a topic very near and dear to my heart.
And my friend I have a twofold answer. Speaking optimistically, and betting on Thor's success as a standalone franchise, and as an avengers franchise, I do think it's possible. Or in the very least, it's surely possible to at least see Thor again for a fifth (and preferably final) standalone installment.
He's a consistent money-maker. Even Love and Thunder made about as much as the other films in the THOR franchise, with each film grossing about 3.75 times the production budget of each film. (Fun fact: Thor (2011) and Thor: Love and Thunder both made ~3.0 times the production budget, versus Dark World that did 4.3 times better, and Ragnarok that did 4.7.) Critically, his worst film is L+T at 63%. This is actually worse than Dark World which sits ~67%, and between the two it's pretty clear that L+T is not a fan-favorite, but he DOES make money, and continues to be incredibly well-liked regardless.
Something that I'd wager Marvel's Phase 4+ needs. Thor has prestige, and people like him and his actor. He's consistently made profits for Marvel in ALL of his films, so Marvel would be pretty stupid not to double down for a fifth movie and the promise of "thor will return". (And as much as I loathe the film, L+T might have gotten some of the mcu normies to actually bother at least paying attention to Jane, whether it's for good reason or not.) So it's a bit of a no-brainer to bring back a character, and one of the last mcu couples, that is reliable. People like heroes and they like romance. Fosterson is both rolled into one.
Within this thought process, I do think that if Marvel knew what was good for it (...debatable... but again being optimistic) then they would reunite Thor with Jane and the rest of his family where he belongs. Give him that happy ending he so deserves as the final survivor of his original cast (discounting Sif), and of the Avengers' Big Three. No one in the whole of the Avengers franchise deserves a happy ending more than Thor does.
So with that in mind, for Thor's next appearance, either it's bring back Jane similarly to the end of the Mighty Thor comic arc, or have Thor end up in Valhalla where the whole rest of his cast is. Either way, Fosterston fans like you and me would ultimately get what we want (the two reunited). Then it's a matter of "but would it feel earned to the audience who's kept with Thor for the past decade"?
As it stands: Thor is in an odd position where his options are limited, but still technically open as a character. Narratively his story simply will not be finished until he's been put to rest one way or another... Ultimately he needs to find peace, and I think anyone in the MCU fanbase can at least agree that MCU!Thor won't be able to for as long as all of his castmates are dead or otherwise written out of the picture. (Thanks to the decision to write Thor out of Asgard by revoking his birthright he can't even at least have THAT as a reason to keep going.) Even Hemsworth feels as much, whether he'll say it so explicitly or not. ("Thor lost his mind that last one. He’s got to figure it out now.")
Really a reunion should be in a 5th installment, but if they wanted to play it cheap they could maybe wrap up Thor's story in a B Plot or a cameo in whatever they have lined up for Avengers: Secret Wars. Were it up to me I would argue ostensibly that it's a "pick one" situation at this point in time. (and given they might attempt to shoehorn TVA!Loki into meeting MCU!Thor at some point to call that a day, the most profitable answer seems pretty cut and dry.)
Realistically speaking within that...? I think that all depends on Marvel/Disney's budget, and ...honestly, probably Chris Hemsworth on the whole.
There are many shifting variables in Hollywood right now. Lots of budget cuts, cancelled tv shows and films, job losses, etc. While I think the big names and upper league of the industry are going to come out relatively unscathed, I do think that Disney/Marvel may need to slow its productions down, and greatly decrease the quality and quantity in order to survive. That, and, again, the fact of the matter is that the quality of Marvel's Phase 4+ has been pretty hot garbage.
Which then leads me back to the point that:
Thor is a decent money maker. He's still got material to work with if they wanted to wrap him/Chris' iteration of him up as they did with Tony Stark and Steve Rogers. And this is keeping in mind that Chris Evans, despite Steve's story definitely being wrapped, is willing to come back for cameos in future appearances out of respect and love for his character.
....That said, you'll notice that I mention "respect and love for his character" when mentioning Chris Evans. Frankly, Chris Hemsworth is a bit more of a wild card. I've mentioned it (here), but it seems as though Hemsworth has largely fallen out of love with Thor. Now, when I say that I don't mean that he hates Thor. Thor is a very special character to him. Something he has stated multiple times in interviews — especially since becoming Thor really helped launch his career forward.
... The GOOD news is Chris has commented on coming back for future Thor films.
“Yeah, I think [Marvel] always [teases the characters return in films]. Look, I’m completely open to it, [...] I’ve always loved the experience. I’ve been very thankful I’ve been able to do something different each time.”
The ... BAD news is he's also commented on being largely contented with the character as is (albeit wanting to move on from Taika's take) and otherwise finding him "boring", and that there is not a lot he'd want to do with Thor now that they've spanned the course of ... mostly everything.
“You look at Thor 1 and 2, they were quite similar. Ragnarok and Love and Thunder are similar. I think it’s about reinventing it. I’ve had such a unique opportunity with Infinity War and Endgame to do very drastic things with the character. I enjoy that, I like keeping people on their toes. It keeps me on my toes. It keeps me invested. I’ve said this before but when it becomes too familiar, I think there’s a risk in getting lazy then because I know what I’m doing. So I don’t know."
He, like Evans and Downey Jr. I'm sure, wants a happy ending for his character — and I would argue that absolutely includes Jane, but the course of Disney/Marvel's Phase 4 is uncertain, because they seem to have no plan. Or at least not one beyond "insert cool cameo here"
...And Chris' faith in the character that kickstarted a large portion of his career has seemed to have utterly tanked in recent years especially. (Particularly since it's been rather hot and cold for him. If a film does well and is written wonderfully, then there isn't enough Loki in it so the MCU fanbase decides to go nutty. If it's written poorly with an ill-cast director, it does well. But then when they double down on that ill-casted director people get fed up with it because the Russo Bros. did it better in Infinity War and rightfully so. Though Chris seems to favor the IW depiction too so even he isn't immune.)
So it's hard to say whether or not Chris will actually take up another contract, fulfill any that he's (allegedly) previously made or make so much as a cameo appearance to fulfill that "Thor Will Return" we were promised at the end of L+T.
"I have no idea. I've said it before, it all depends on the type of story. It has to be something unique. What I don't want is to do the same with the character until the end, until there is a feeling of exhaustion in the audience. But if there is excitement for it, I am always willing to return. If there is a new story, it has to be something very special. I'm sure there's something exciting to tell, so we'll have to wait and see. You have to wait to find it."
"Again, I don’t know if I’m even invited back. But if I was, I think it would have to be a drastically different version in tone, everything, just for my own sanity… (laughs) … Thor lost his mind that last one. He’s got to figure it out now."
I'm afraid that sounds rather dour... but unless we actually get confirmation of a Thor 5, or Thor appearance in the inevitable Avengers movies down the line, it's really just... hard to say. As ever this is all simply hypothetical conjecture based on sheer observation. Though of course, I don't work for Marvel. And even if I did, NDAs exist, so it's not as if I could confirm or deny anything anyways. We simply have to wait and see.
PERSONALLY if I were to take a crack at it, I'd at least give Thor a 5th movie, completely wrap him up in a way that is respectful to his character while also ... attempting to acknowledge and semi-respect what Marvel has already done thus far ... and then leave the rest up to cameo and side character appearances, like what they're doing with Evans and Steve Rogers.
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*Everyone is standing around the broken coffee maker*
Tony: So. Who broke it? I'm not mad, I just wanna know.
Everyone:
Steve: ...I did. I broke it.
Tony: No. No you didn't. Bruce?
Bruce: Don't look at me. Look at Thor.
Thor: What?! I didn't break it.
Bruce: Huh, that's weird. How'd you even know it was broken?
Thor: Because it's sitting right in front of us and it's broken.
Bruce: Suspicious.
Thor: No, it's not!
Clint: If it matters, probably not, but Natasha was the last one to use it.
Natasha: Liar! I don't even drink that crap!
Clint: Oh really? Then what were you doing by the coffee cart earlier?
Natasha: I use the wooden stirrers to push back my cuticles. Everyone knows that, Clint!
Steve: Okay let's not fight. I broke it. Let me pay for it, Tony.
Tony: No! Who broke it!?
Everyone:
Clint: Tony... Bruce's been awfully quiet.
Bruce: REALLY?!
*Everyone starts arguing*
Tony, being interviewed: I broke it. I burned my hand so I punched it.
Tony: I predict 10 minutes from now they'll be at each other's throats with warpaint on their faces and a pig head on a stick.
Tony:
Tony: Good. It was getting a little chummy around here.
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what are your top 5 marvel ships and why?
ngl i misread this at first and started going into my non-marvel fixations BUT. my top 5 marvel ships. here we go. these are my current top ships; they change from time to time.
1 Marc/Clint - Fell in love with Marc Spector, Clint is my town bicycle, bam. No, no. I think the opportunity to write characters that are clearly flawed and also mentally ill is a good one (because I relate to them) - and both Marc and Clint are just. So determined and unapologetically themselves even through all the hardship they face. They've had hard times together and they're sassy and they're interesting. I especially like an era of Freefall!Clint who's lost his way and a Marc who's not entirely sure what to do with this Clint who's given up the things that made Moon Knight leave the WCA in the first place (sort of. It's complex.) Additionally, this flavour of the ship means that their costumes are really complimentary together. The jagged armour and white vs gold with the black? Mmm. Delicious.
I'm trying not to make these too long because I could literally talk about why I like Marc and Clint together for years, for a million different reasons.
2. Clint/Bucky - The classic, the lads, the lovers. They're best friends, they're partners, they're soulmates. I've written well over a hundred stories about them. Why I love them is all tangled up in the stories - the loyalty, the compassion, the mutual understanding. They're Bucky and Clint and that's why they're good.
3. Bucky/Jake - The newest rarepair to join the game! Jake Lockley. They're car guys, they're outside in the driveway fixing their taxi/motorcycle together talking about the sports. Just Guys Doing Things. I think they've got enormous potential in their dynamic and neither of them take any shit, they're very connected to the people around them and they're unequivocally good people despite the bad rep. This is 616 Jake. If you bring MKTV's Jake into my house I will slaughter you on the spot.
4. Clint/Natasha/Bucky/Sam/Marc (Any Combination) - The OT5 of all time. They're chaotic, they're badass, they're best friends and enemies and idiots and heroes and they all deserve to be as loved as possible. This is technically cheating because of the 'Any Combo' stipulation but I couldn't pick just one polyship for these folks.
5. Clint/Sam - Sheer spite. Someone made a post saying that people only shipped Clint/Sam because they were racist (???) and didn't want to ship Sam with Bucky or Steve, and that only Stucky shippers wanted Clint/Sam and only ever as a side pairing.
Me, someone who doesn't even like Stucky, just minding my own business writing little Clint/Sam snippets every now and then: Now I will write MORE. F&^*( you.
Bonus Mention: Sam/Bucky - I love them.
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