#troilus

[amiti-art]

Troilus design! (ft best dad Apollo) He's around 12 years old here.

Researching Troilus' story is not an easy task because unfortunately most of the ancient texts focused on him didn't survive and others only survived in fragments.

This story is brutal even for greek mythology standards so please keep that in mind if you want to continue reading this or do more research on your own.

Something that all of the versions seems to agree on is that he was a Trojan prince, son of queen Hecuba and was killed by Achilles. His father was either Apollo or Priam (Apollo fits more with the context of the story though).

Most of the versions also focus on Troilus' young age and he's often shown to be visibly shorter than Achilles on the vase paintings depicting his death.

The most popular version of the myth (which is also supported by ancient vase paintings) states that Troilus and his sister Polyxena (she's not preset in every version though) went outside of Troy on their horses and while they were at a fountain Achilles ambushed them.

Achilles then chased Troilus who tried to hide inside of Apollo's temple (possibly seeking his father's protection) but Achilles caught up to him and murdered Troilus either inside or in front of the temple and then brutally mutilated his body.

There 2 alternative reasons given for the murder:

1. There was a prophecy which said that if Troilus reached 21 years of age Troy would never fall.

2. Achilles fell in love with Troilus, tried to force himself on him and was enraged when the boy refused his advances. (This version seems to have more surviving evidence)

It could also be that the only reason that Achilles killed Troilus was the fact that he was a Trojan prince and therefore an enemy but this does not seem to fit with the brutality of the act.

Here are some vase paintings that show Troilus' death at the hands of Achilles

#please correct me if anything in the text is inccorect. Like I said this was hard to research and I don't want to spread any misinformation #Troilus #Apollo #Achilles #trojan war #tagamemnon #greek panteon #greek myths #greek mythology #greek gods #character design #my art #children of apollo

[moplopbool]

Priam & and the princes of Troy!

#greek mythology #priam #the iliad #trojan war #hector #deiphobus #helenus #paris of troy #troilus #polydorus #hector of troy #ganymede #trojan family #Some of the princes have genetically impossible eye colors #Don't ask me why(it's art inconsistency)

[gardenofchrome]

Greek Mythology PSA

As much as I love Achilles and Patroclus from TSOA: Achilles is NOT someone to idolize.

The story of Troilus was an extreme reason: when he turned 20, he would supposedly touch the wall of Troy and it would save this. Athena told Achilles this and he went to ambushed Troilus by the well, in fact pulling him by the hair off his horse.

But Troilus was extremely beautiful- so much so that he was said to be the child of Apollo. Achilles was overcome with lust and tried to make advances.

Troilus escaped his grasp and ran to his fathers temple for shelter. There Achilles caught him again, had his way, and beheaded him.

ACHILLES WAS A GROWN MAN AND TROILUS WAS SAID TO BE A CHILD, MOST SPECULATED TO BE AROUND 12.

Was he a great warrior? Yeah. Was he a murder, r**ist, and p3do? Also yes.

Why are there so little stories about Apollo and Hyacinthus?

#for you #greek myth #greek mythology #the song of achilles #achilles #patroclus #gay #lgbtq #achillian #gods #immortals #the illiad #trojan war #greek mythology psa #tsoa #soa #madeline miller #apollo and hyacinthus #apollo #hyacinthus #sun god #troilus #troilus greek myth #demigod

[adriles]

if you are a stupid ass son of priam from the fucking hallowed walls of troy me and my crazy warrior boys will slaughter you

#book 20 #book 22 #book 24 #hector #troilus #list goes on #priam

[beetlewine-art]

Okay so, i've been listening non-stop to "Ruthlessness" from Epic the musical and i LOVE it, 10/10 song.

However, now i can't help but think about how cool it would be if someone make a similar song (or a parody) but instead of Poseidon being angry at Odysseuss for blinding Polyphemus, is Apollo raging at Achilles for murdering Troilus in Apollo's own temple. I imagine that this song could be the oposite of Ruthlessness, since Poseidon is also saying that Odysseus was stupid for showing mercy to his son and then revealing his identity to him, Apollo would be saying the oposite, that if Achillles had shown mercy and didn't kill Troilus, Apollo wouldn't be trying to kill him right now. Let's be honest, Achilles was just cruel to the poor boy.

Poseidon is terrifying in the Odyssey and so is Apollo in the Troyan war, i want to see him go all off belting how he Is going to show no mercy to Achilles since he didn't show any to his son.

Tag list: @my-name-is-apollo @apollomes-supremacy

#my post #beetlewine #beetlepost #epic the musical #epic poseidon #epic ruthlessness #ruthlessness #apollo #greek mythology #troyan war #the odyssey #troilus #odysseus #achilles #we need more angry dadpollo in general

[my-name-is-apollo]

Isn't it really stupid that the Trojans let Troilus ride out of the city when they were at war and being part of a super important prophecy for Trojan victory? I can't imagine what Hector would have felt when he saw the mutilated corpse of his brother and everything that meant (up in the temple of Apollo, his father in some versions!)

I mean, yeah they should have been more careful with him. But you know, even if they had been more careful, he would have still died somehow because his life was tied to the fate of Troy and Troy was supposed to fall. That had been predestined a long time back. That was something no one could have changed.

But yeah, when they found out about his death it must have been both heartbreaking and dreadful for them. I think Hector will be especially affected because, fates aside, that is his baby brother. One of the youngest amongst his siblings and he couldn't save him. It would have definitely weighed him down a lot.

Edit: I do like the idea of Troilus being Apollo's last mortal son! Partly because the Trojan war was orchestrated to end the era of heroes/demigods. And also partly because I believe Linus (son of Psamathe) was his first son, and he died when the dogs tore him apart. So the tragedy of Apollo's first and and last mortal child dying horrible deaths...it does something to me, the tragedy of it.

#asks #anon #Troilus #Hector #just imagine being Hector #your little brother who's still a child #found dead in the temple of your god #not just dead #decapitated and mutilated

[doobydoobydoowau]

pspsps to all my mythological hellenic kings out there if an oracle gives you a prophecy that's all like "as long as x happens/doesn't happen nothing will go wrong ever and you'll be fine" RUN away you are not safe

#greek mythology #myths #troilus #achilles #priam #paris #penelope #odysseus #honestly a million and one examples from troy era epics alone #blah blah blah hubris blah blah blah tragic self fufilling prophecies idc #aeetes #tagamemnon

[pelideswhore]

PLS talk abt achilles and apollo bc i for one would also kill a god's kids but yk

okay if you want something purely achilles/apollo, check this out. i didn’t actually mention troilus at all in that post, and i think that’s what you’re referring to, so i’m gonna do that here. i’ve literally never spoken about the troilus myth either so i think it’s about time

this will get gory towards the end so just. don’t read that if you don’t want to.

for starters, there are multiple versions in this myth obvs, but personally i think that troilus was a preteen when he died, and that he was killed in an ambush, not in a battle. he was actually defenseless and it was a planned, targeted attack. i’ve read some versions where he’s like 17? but i think that’s silly and he’s more like 11

This all happened in the first year of the war and Achilles was 17. He and Apollo had not interacted at this point, but Apollo was close with the royal family (Hector is in his 30s and unmarried for reference). Achilles is still coming to terms with the fact that people actually die in wars and he’s filled with silent rage about it. He still hasn’t gotten over the fact that Agamemnon was willing to kill his own daughter for this and nothing can calm him, not even Patroclus.

Odysseus is the one to offhandedly mention that Troilus must die and Achilles immediately takes this task one since he needs an outlet for his anger. He takes Patroclus and some men and goes on a hunt for Troilus, finding him at a fountain outside the temple of Apollo with his horses. He doesn’t give the kid a chance to even notice they’re there before he throws his spear at him from the back killing him instantly. But he doesn’t stop there. He mutilates the body as if it were nothing more than a punching bag (think TLOU ellie @ david in that one scene), then ties it by the neck reins to Troilus’ horses, sending them to Troy, a bloody message to the Royal family.

By doing that, he secures a chance for Greece to defeat Troy, but draws Apollo’s attention to himself, which will ultimately damn him. Apollo’s hate to Achilles isn’t explosive at first… it simmers. He hates him quietly, but he’s always scheming in the back of his mind. In the end, Apollo has his revenge—of course, for this, he has to lose Hector.

#despite the many days it took me to answer this is not proofread. i’m also sick and on my period so excuse me if none of this makes sense #a chaotic dumbass #asks #greek mythology #greek myth #apollo #achilles #troilus

[generouskittentidalwave]

What happened with Philoctetes being abandoned was used as a plot device for his character and future events and that's why I never use it to judge Odysseus's character. There, I said it.

The reason I say this? Is because back then the greeks came to an agreement that Philoctetes was left on the island of Lemnos after getting a snake bite, and that Odysseus convinced them to leave him behind.

However, despite all the research, I can never find exactly why Odysseus decided to leave him behind. Some imply that he didn't like all the cries from Philoctetes festering wound and left him behind, in others it's implied that he was forced to leave him behind by the others, others imply that it was a plan in order to find a way to get him back eventually, others imply that Odysseus saw him as a lost cause, that he would weigh them down, etc.. It seems like no one could agree on one thing or a reason why, just that it happened and that was basically it. They weren't really focused on giving Odysseus an in depth reasoning, just that he decided to leave Lemnos behind and that story would be a suprise tool that would help them later.

We may never know Odysseus's true thought process or reasonings as to why, as it is all left to be implied and seeing as there are many versions of Odysseus throughout both greek and modern history combined with the fact that there wasn't a universally agreed upon reasoning for it, I never use it to judge Odysseus's character as it feels impossible to do so.

For me personally, if I had to take an educated guess on his thought process seeing as we don't really know what it was, Odysseus doesn't seem like the kind of guy to just go- "hah, rotting foot? Must be a skill issue lmao" before then just dipping but I don't think he would just blindly be like "Nuuuh my friendo, my bestie has an ouchy we can't leave him behind like this!" Either. Odysseus's is a very complicated man, but was neither saint nor monster either, rather being the inbetween, and that was shown a lot in stories. So I wholeheartedly feel like it probably was the same situation with what happened with the other situations like Iphigenia, Troilus, Polyxena, etc.. where the man either offhandely makes the suggestion or does the hard decisions himself for reasons either known or unknown.

That's atleast my thoughts on it, I know everyone has there own thoughts on it as well ^^ and I could be wrong but please don't beat me over the head if I am ^^", that's just what I think about it all

#seriously though poor philoctetes had to deal with that awful snake bite for years #bro is stronger than all of us combined #and that's just a fact #odysseus #the odyssey #homer's odyssey #the iliad #homer's iliad #ancient greek mythology #greek mythology #ancient greek #greek myth #greek plays #sophocles #philoctetes #iphigenia #polyxena #troilus #greek heroes #ancient greek gods #greek gods #greek stories #greek stuff #greek posts #lemnos #epic the musical #epic: the musical #epic the troy saga #epic: the troy saga #epic saga

[littlesparklight]

A murder most foul

(Achilles and Troilus in Apollo's temple)

Individual panels under the cut! Achilles's armour inspired by the Warrior Vase plus some other Mycenaean-era art, Apollo's statue/the plinth by Hittite art conventions for gods (standing on their animal), and the altar by the Inandik vase(s).

#greek mythology #trojan war #achilles #troilus #apollo #lightart

[battlinghurricanes]

The notion of Hektor and Troilus being exceptionally close is so dear to me (and also incredibly sad if I think about it too hard so let's definitely not do that :'D)

I imagine Troilus as being one of the youngest of Hecuba's children, only Polydorus, and perhaps one other, is younger than him. He's young and vivacious and is not so secretly the child of Apollo, and he has all the exorbitant strength and energy that comes with that. Priam has had a hand in training all his sons, passing along his great skill as a warrior along side other men he trusted to share the work. He does give Troilus a guiding hand in all of that, so very loving of him even if he's not his son by blood. But both Priam and Hecuba are starting to feel the weight of old age take a toll on them as Troilus is growing up. That combined with his inordinate vigor means Priam can't contribute much to his physical training as he might have once in the prime of his strength.

Hektor steps in to fill the gap, not just in training him, but managing him in general. He takes a more active role in Troilus's life when he's still very young, around 6, because he has to. He's so wild and spirited that he needs someone who can match that to give him some direction. And for a child with such clear potential, long before any prophecy about him, it seems right for Troy's oldest and most capable prince to take him under his wing.

Hektor starts training him, but of course not in combat at first. He's still so little, he doesn't need any of that yet, but he does need a way to work out all his energy. Hektor teaches him athletics: racing, discus, wresting- even if it's just the basic principles at this point. And he aims to teach him disciple through all that. Troilus is adventurous, ready to try anything, and oh so eager to learn. He is a fount of endless questions, constantly keeping Hektor on his toes, but also pleasing him at every turn with his cleverness and curiosity. He cares deeply about the world very much and wants to know all he can about it, and even if he can talk a mile a minute, he listens well too.

Of course Hektor loves him, he can't not, Troilus is innocent and joyous and he holds him so dear. And Troilus grows such intense admiration and adoration of his oldest brother, who devotes time and energy into him and his interests, ever reliable and always caring. He doesn't just train him, which was all that was expected, but ends up raising him in many ways as well. Hektor is the one Troilus comes to turn to when he's in need.

And when Hektor does get to the point of training Troilus in combat, naturally he excels in that too. Hektor is more firm in his instruction for this serious matter than before, but he always affords Troilus kindness and praise. Troilus trusts and respects Hektor in the utmost, and learns very well from him. And not just in athletics and combat, Troilus shares Hektor's own fascination with horses as well. Hektor is helpless not to teach him in that on top of everything, it's his weaknesses combined. Hektor teaches him how to ride, and positively glows with pride at how naturally he picks it up.

And when the war comes, and the prophecy of Troilus potentially saving Troy comes with it, Hektor is there. Troilus is impassioned at the idea of fighting for his home, and eagerly longs to live up to everyone's hope in him, but when that wavers, the pressure of it all is immense. Sure, they say that Apollo is his father, but can he really do this...? He's still just a kid. But Hektor understands better than anyone what that kind of pressure feels like. He offers sympathy and companionship and help in how to deal with it all. And when it all gets too much, he makes for a perfect shoulder to cry on.

Troilus knows that Apollo is his true father, and Priam is is foster father, but Hektor too became a fatherly figure in how much he does for him. When he was little Hektor would pick him up by the hands and swing him back and forth while Troilus shrieked with laughter. He lets him nap in his very comfortable lap when he wears himself out too much, and gently insists they train no more for a few days so he rests up. He tells him off sometimes when he gets to be too much, but always ruffles a hand through his hair and explains why, and never makes him feel dumb. He once encourages him that he'll likely grow taller than Hektor himself one day, and he's so ecstatic at the prospect, he tells everyone he can for the next week.

Troilus loves Hektor so much and want to grow up to be just like him, even though that makes Hektor laugh and declare he'll be better.

(and they're happy and stay happy and nothing bad ever happens to either of them at all ever what are you talking about goodnight)

#the iliad #troilus #hektor #hector of troy #my writing #THEM! I cry. #theres a fine line between older bro energy and dad energy when it comes to hektor #he just finds such fulfillment in watching troilus grow at his side #the later angst with this is OFF THE CHARTS be glad im far too tired to get into all that rn

[gheartistwriter]

i was writing for ‘ The Fantastical Olympians’ ( I FINALLY have a name ) and get stuck struggling with a decision :

Should I add Asclepius or Troilus in the story? I will add a child for Apollo ( still seeking a real name for him) anyway.

#greek mythology #apollo #Troilus #The Fantastical Olympians #I think my grammatical is right #correct me if I’m wrong #English is not my first language

[death-before-ilion]

Priam's prolific family

I now have a definite timeline for the life of Paris (aka Alexander), prince of Troy: born 1231, died 1184 aged 46/47. I'll publish the full timeline separately, but wanted to bring up that I've been looking into his parents and siblings, trying to give each of them a few dates here and there.

Priam had many children. Relying on Homer, Apollodorus, Hyginus and Virgil, I've been able to identify 84 children: 16 daughters and 68 sons. I'll have to check again, as I might have missed a couple. He had two wives (Arisbe and Hecabe), and a number of "palace women" (i.e. concubines). By Arisbe, he had at least one son, and soon enough divorced her to marry Hecabe (or Hecuba), the well known queen of Troy. Hector was their first born and Troilus was the last born son. He was still a young teenager when he was ambushed and killed by Achilles (an event that I date to 1191, quite early in the Second Trojan War). As a result, I place his birth in 1205. Apollodorus tells us Paris was their second born. Hyginus says Paris was born much later, but I choose to reject the latter claim, as I consider Apollodorus more authoritative and it agrees better with my timeline.

Indeed, if Paris is the second born, I would place Hector's birth to 1233, which means Hecabe has been birthing children for at least 28 years (!!). If Paris is one of the later children, that birthing period is much longer. If Hecabe gave birth to her first child in her late teens, she would have given birth to Troilus in her mid-forties, which works nicely.

I have therefore set Hecabe's birth to 1251, which makes her 66/67 at the fall of Troy. Priam's birth is more tricky, because he was a boy when the First Trojan War occured, which I have not dated yet (it ties in with the timeline of Heracles and either his capturing of the girdle of the Amazons or his participation in the expedition of the Argo), but I expect Priam to be born around 1270/1265.

Now "all" I have to do is date Paris's brothers and sisters, and given their number, it'll be a labor of its own.

#ancient greece #classical mythology #greek gods #greek heroes #greek mythology #mythology #trojan war #chronology #paris #alexander #priam #hecuba #hecabe #hector #troilus

[koruga]

Not totally happy with all of them, but here's the first five of my Epic Cycle sketches. Agamemnon, Troilus, Andromache, Ithacan Polites, and Neoptolemus.

#DC Art #The Iliad #The Odyssey #Agamemnon #Troilus #Andromache #Polites #Neoptolemus #Pyrrhus #God there's like sixty more

[adriles]

bros out here are seriously saying that im “SCUM” and “DESERVING OF A CRUEL FATE” for ambushing and killing troilus the young son of priam w/o even considering that the act represented that all trojan efforts to defend their city would be in vain. Cool

#troilus #priam #cypria #telegony

[shakespearenews]

Those of us still capable of neurosis (most of us) worried that this splendid beginning might be a chimera to be followed by a crash landing. We were concerned the first show may have set the bar a little high. Such doubts were dispersed when the Māori company, NgaKau Toa, swept onto the stage with their bruised masculinity, and their visceral tribal take on Troilus and Cressida. Their bodies were almost naked, their buttocks painted with swirling green Pacific patterning, their eyes popping and their feet stamping so hard, it was as if they were trying to pound their way through the earth back to New Zealand.

#shakespeare #william shakespeare #troilus and cressida #maori #theater #theatre #troilus #globe #globe theater #dominic dromgoole