#tua theories

[jellybeanium124]

Last night I wast thinking about how it would be hard to film the Jennifer Incident bc all the teen actors for the Umbrellas would look way older than they did at Ben’s funeral in s2, and bringing in new actors would be kind of weird and jarring, and then it hit me that the perfect way to show it would be through another animated sequence.

It doesn’t have to use the framing sequence of Allison telling the story to Claire again, like it was in s1, although that could maybe work if they do it right. The main reason I think it would be a good artistic decision to have it be animated instead of live-action, is because it would communicate that Ben’s death was such a painful part of the Umbrella’s childhoods that it’s hard for them to look back on the reality of it. It was so traumatizing seeing their brother die in front of their eyes that they can only look back in a simplified/less gory way.

I think it would also play into the fact that all of the Umbrellas, besides Klaus, have put their Ben on a pedestal since his death. Over time, they’ve washed away his flaws and embiggened his positive qualities. Instead of seeing the real Ben die, the Umbrellas, and us, the audience, would see a perfected/imagined Ben die.

#tua #the umbrella academy #ben hargreeves #the jennifer incident #tua theories #tua theory #tua speculation #tua s3 spoilers

[secondtreetotheleft]

The Jennifer Incident (HC)

So I know we all want to know what the Jennifer Incident is. This is my mind wandering through it. Enjoy.

**TUA S3 Spoilers ahead!!**

OK, so the Jennifer Incident is what killed Umbrella!Ben in the original timeline. It was a failed mission, but why do they refer to it as if it was a third party, which they legit knew the name of? The only mission we get to see is the Umbrellas stopping a bank robbery. What mission could have ended in Ben’s death, likely due to Jennifer, and that Reginald would blame on the others too?

Why would the others feel any guilt if it was not them who killed Ben? Obviously Jennifer was the cause in some way. Were the Umbrellas supposed to defend Ben? If it was a simple enemy-situation, they would have easily just killed Jennifer.

Like, if the situation was that Jennifer was just their villain they were on a mission to kill, Ben could easily trap/kill her himself. And if he didn’t, literally any of the others could have stepped in and stopped or killed her. So what was the complication?

if it was a “mission” I doubt Ben was alone. Though, I suppose that could be the fault: they accidentally left Ben behind and he couldn’t defend himself alone against Jennifer. But who was Jennifer to be that powerful? Like, Ben could literally just use his powers to trap or strangle her, I can’t think of a natural power or weapon that could have killed him if he was on guard.

So, my first thought is that Jennifer was someone they knew. Whether all the Umbrellas were in the room, or Ben was alone with Jennifer, Jennifer had to have the capability to either distract of kill Ben. (or both) They must have known Jennifer to call her by her name rather than by the cause of death.

Could Jennifer have been a love interest? Ben was 16 and probably an easy target to try and sort of woo, so Jennifer could have been a trap to lure the Umbrellas to some other creep like Reginald that wanted to explore their powers.

Or, and I really like this idea, was Jennifer one of the two out of the sixteen we haven’t heard about? Like, yeah there’s Lila and the Sparrows, but that still leaves two people with powers like them. Could they have befriended Jennifer, and when they went on some mission, Jennifer turned out to be on the other side, but they refused to believe it? And so they didn’t believe it until she killed Ben.

But still: the mission was failed. What were the repercussions? Were all of their missions as vanilla as stopping a bank robbery? How could the Jennifer incident be that basic? If the bad guys were clear targets, I feel like the umbrellas would have succeeded. So the only solution my mind can come up with is that they didn’t realize Jennifer was an enemy.

That’s all I’ve got right now. Will make a part 2 if I come up with anything else. Currently rewatching from season 1.

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[gravity-barbie]

How did the Sparrows control their powers? Were some powers more difficult to manage than others?

I haven’t really considered it that much and I can really only guess, but here are some quick thoughts I have on them all, listed from who I think had the easiest to hardest time dealing with their powers.

Jayme

Jayme’s power seems the most tame, I don’t think she ever struggles to control it, and I doubt it’s caused her much angst beyond maybe being jealous that she doesn’t have a particularly brutal power- Though I could see that genuinely being a real issue for her.

Her power is weirdly most similar to Allison’s in that it’s not that hard to avoid if you know about it, but once she’s used it she’s won. We see she doesn’t get the chance to use it on Ben during their spar, so she could of potentially ended up in situations like that often where her power was pretty much rendered useless and she had to rely more on her wits, her character description did say she was ‘smart and sharp as a knife’.

Marcus

So apparently Marcus and Luther have the same power, Marcus is just better at using it. I like to imagine that both of them had to work really hard just to get to a point where they don’t break everything they hold or seriously injure people with basic physical contact, though as neither of them are cautious about getting rough with people I don’t think either had any major power related accidents.

Marcus is superior now because of his speed and technique (which I choose to believe he got through his own dedication rather than Reginald just training him better), but considering how clumsy Luther’s powers make him, I assume that’s something Marcus did struggle with at one point as well.

Sloane

Sloane seems to have the best relationship with her power out of anyone, she’s at the point where she can just have fun with it, using it to sit on her bedroom roof for instance. Seeing as she seems to be a pretty sensitive person I assume she didn’t have any childhood trauma associated with her power if she’s so comfortable with it now.

Like her umbrella counterpart Five, Sloane also has a lot of physics knowledge so I do wonder if she also needs to do the same kind of calculations and things as him to best use her powers, I don’t think thats really implied but it’d make sense and flesh her out.

Alphonso

Alphonso is interesting for being the only sparrow that isn’t in peak physical condition. Alphonso’s appearance implies that besides the pain his body still experiences the effects of any hit it gets, which I assume would take a toll and really wear him down overtime and could definitely be the cause of that sluggishness of his, and maybe even his need for an inhaler.

I don’t think he could accidentally use his power, since it looks like he needs to consciously activate it (and struggles to do so when exhausted), so I’d say he has an easy enough time managing his power, though he might of had a hard time developing the stamina and concentration he seems to need to use it effectively.

Fei

I’m a little confused about Fei’s power honestly, specifically where her vision is concerned, all the scratches over her eyes seem to indicate that her birds were the ones that blinded her, but throughout the show she’s always perfectly in control of them, they don’t seem to have free will.

I have a half-baked theory that she blinded herself. Something along the lines of her being so overwhelmed when she starts to see out of all the different birds eyes that she has some kind of mental break and blinds herself in a panic while trying to make it stop. But it could also just be that there was a time when her birds had more agency but she’s tamed them overtime.

Anyway, Fei seems to be in (I’m assuming physical) discomfort when her birds are hurt, which is a pretty big weakness. It was probably quite a burden trying to keep them all relatively safe mid-battle, which could play into how she became so calculated.

Christopher

So Christopher’s actual power, that ability to induce this paralysing fear, tends to get overshadowed by the fact that he’s a cube, which doesn’t even seem to even be relevant to his power. But yeah, he appears to be incredibly powerful, he’s able to incapacitate half the umbrellas (including Viktor) seemingly effortlessly, and he’s strong enough to temporarily contain a kugelblitz, so I assume it’s not easy for him to hold back which could of been a problem for him when it comes to things like sparring with his siblings.

If nothing else I’m positive that his inhuman physiology would of caused him a lot of angst throughout his life even if he’s comfortable with it now.

Ben

I am so curious about how Sparrow-Ben ended up with such better control over his powers than Umbrella-Ben. It could be a dominance thing, as number one this Ben was trained to be in charge and maybe that carried over towards the monster inside him. Umbrella-Ben also seemed to have a much lower tolerance for causing people pain, so maybe sparrow-ben and the horror were more in sync as opposed to umbrella-Ben fighting against it, which could of made dealing with it easier.

Regardless I still think Ben must of worked really hard to get the control over his tentacles that he has.

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[flayedsheep]

so we know that fei has canonically lost her eyes because of her birds. but what exactly led to that? ive made a few theories and i decided to stick with this one: i think fei did this to herself, on purpose. i thought to myself: if it had been a traumatic event, like not having control over her birds, why would she have laughed when ben mentioned her birds pecking luther's eyes out? i also noticed the weird blocky goggles she wears as a kid/teen. i don't think those are glasses, i think they're supposed to block fei's eyesight so she can use her birds. Fei couldn't handle having eyes and bird vision at the same time. it was too overwhelming, so she had to make the hardest decision.

#tua theories #fei hargreeves #the umbrella academy #the sparrow academy #tua

[wyrd-syster]

Theories for what we’re getting in S3 based off of nothing but my own intuition and my fanfic brain:

Umbrella!Ben’s death scene.

AU Eudora Patch for at least one scene interacting with Diego.

Klaus is not going to accept that Sparrow!Ben and Umbrella!Ben are different people...maybe even betraying his family toward the end of the season because of his denial?

Hella Allison + Patrick and Claire content. Either flashbacks of A+P’s relationship before, during and after things got bad – as well as family sequences with Claire – or “present day” content of Allison searching out to find them.

Either way, I am preparing for it to be choc full of ✨emotional trauma✨

Five being completely over it (officially!!) He is done with apocalypses, done with trying to save the world, done I say!! He’s going full on nihilist and is just going to sunbathe as the world burns.

Lila Pitts arriving in the Sparrow!AU before the Hargreeves family and having her own agenda for reasons that will be revealed halfway through the season!

It’s a baby. She and Diego had sex once so, according to the rules of TV, she must now be with child.

Let it be known this is my least favorite trope in all of television but...now that I’ve thought about it I can’t unthink it.

Because what if then Reggie is secretly having the Sparrows go after the child because it’s the first child to two extraordinary individuals and the pure chaos it could wreak upon this earth–! So then everything Lila is doing she’s doing to protect her child, choosing to be the type of mother the Handler never could be for her! Ending the cycle of abuse through self-sacrifice [personal sacrifice, not the death kind] and love–!

More of Reggie’s alien backstory.

Sparrowfied Pogo and Grace.

Luther falling in love with one of the Sparrow gals.

Viktor’s transition to be fully made within the first two episodes.

Javon Walton’s character is going to be related (either familially or thematically) back to Harlan.

Babes....we’re getting that ABBA-scored fight sequence.

#Lindsey talks #more like lindsey rambles #just thinking my thoughts on what's to come #Pls drop that trailer #my crops are dying #I long for serotonin #the umbrella academy #tua #tua season 3 #tua s3 #tua theories #theories with nothing to back them up #sparrow academy

[run-of-the-milf]

jennifer incident theories??

So Sparrow Ben has a scar on his face (the one Klaus pointed out immediately upon arrival to the Sparrow Academy) that Brelly Ben doesn't have, and he has drawings of Jennifer in his room. So its safe to say the Jennifer incident happened in this timeline but he survived it this time.

I have a feeling the Jennifer incident involves Ben sacrificing himself for his family, except this time he didn't sacrifice himself, potentially because he didn't care for the Sparrows as much or he was raised to be more ruthless? Did him not dying in the Jennifer incident have bigger consequences?

Jennifer could be a badass family member of Bens? An enemy of the Academies? A love interest of Ben's? I don't know why he would die because of that though. If he died protecting Klaus I will start sobbing.

And if the Jennifer incident involves him losing control of his powers, what would that mean?

#umbrella academy #tua #umbrella academy s3 #ben hargreeves #the horror #tua theories #jennifer incident #ben needs a hug #me

[ellie--rambles]

I predict that there will be 5 total seasons of TUA. Season 4 getting them into the correct timeline and/or regaining powers. Season 5 dealing with the unfinished dilemmas of Season 1.

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[gabelish]

Wait a minute wait a minute there is absolutely no way that the coroner’s report of Reginald’s death wasn’t fake because they would’ve realized quite quickly he was an alien. And we never actually saw Reggie’s body so? Just the urn which could’ve been anyones ashes. But if he’s not dead than where is he? How did he talk to Klaus in the afterlife if he’s not dead/maybe he has the ability to move in and out of death. Reggie’s whole goal has been apparently to remake the world and get his dead wife back so he either did intentionally kill a version of himself knowing he would survive when his kids fucked up the timeline or he faked his death and fucked off to some other timeline, maybe even the 1963 one and killed the other version of himself so he could keep his plans going.

#tua theory #tua theories #reginald hargreeves #i was literally falling asleep and had this thought

[groovybard]

on the topic of five & ireland

I find it a bit funny that Five is quite possibly from Ireland, aka where Rob is from, given the popular theory that he & Klaus are twins. Ha.

#to be clear I don't believe this theory #but it is fun!! #tua #tua s3 #tua s3 spoilers #tua theories

[brascu]

Possession is Ben's Power, so why did he not just choose someone else instead of Klaus?

Love the question! I haven't thought about it before, so thank you!

I actually don't think possession is a "Ben's Power", although of course Klaus can't possess anyone for he is alive. I feel like Ben is only able to possess someone when Klaus is around and only because they are so close. Maybe if Klaus was able to just send him away as he did with those ghosts in season 3, he wouldn't have possessed Klaus.

I feel like their limits are blured by season 2, you know? Like, as soon as Klaus wakes up he knows that Ben is gone. He looks like he feels the lack of him, right? It's not Viktor that tells him, he goes to Viktor only to confirm it. I think they are kind of connected, especially after Klaus started using his powers on Ben in Dallas constantly. Maybe because of that he could understand how to manipulate this shared energy.

So I think that if Ben was able to possess them, It was because Klaus was around and because he was a ghost intoxicated by it. If not, I feel like we would've seen more ghosts possessing people all around.

Now, could he possess any other sibling during the Dallas timeline? Yes, I think he could. But I think that 1 - he thought at first it would only work with Klaus 2 - He had no experience in doing so, so it felt safer doing it with Klaus and 3 - by the time he tried for the first time doing it, he kind of was erased from existence, so he couldn't try it again.

But wouldn't it be nice if he didn't dissapear and would just jump inside any sibling so he could be part of the conversation?

I'd love to see that! If anyone write a fanfiction with it, please send me!

Thank you again, anon! Tell me if you think more about this <3

#ben hargreeves #umbrella ben #tua #tua theories

[expelliarmus-percabeth]

Calling it first I think S4 is going to have a time skip. my main justification for this is that diego and lila are having a child and I feel like the show's writers are likely to skip the whole birthing part/newborn and cut straight to the two of them parenting a newborn. it's also a fun way to introduce us to how the hargreeves have been adjusting to their "normal" lives and a way for the writers to catch the show's timeline up to 2023/2024

#tua #the umbrella academy #diego hargreeves #lila hargreeves #tua s3 #gerard way #tua theories

[jellybeanium124]

*shoots up in bed in the middle of the night* DEATH PATTERNS IN TUA!!!

So obviously everyone knows that each season has similarities to the others (apocalypse, taking place over ~a week) but I haven’t seen anyone bring this one up yet. Each season has had a True Death and a Fake Death.

The True Death happens to a major side character in the middle of the season (Eudora: 1.04, Elliott: 2.06, Harlan: 3.05), and the Fake Death happens to one of the siblings near the end of the season (Allison: 1.08, Ben: 2.09, Luther: 3.09).

The True Death is true. The character is dead and gone.

The Fake Death is fake- the character always comes back. I’m using that term pretty loosely, obviously, because, although I thought they killed Allison the first time I watched S1, she barely goes to the brink of death, Ben was already dead and just goes into the light, and Luther actually dies but comes back. However, they’re all connected in the way that we think that these characters Are Not Coming Back, but then they do.

I think this pattern could lead to some fun, but not really solid, predictions/theories. I think the True Death will be nearly impossible to guess, 2/3 times it’s a character we’ve met that season (although does that really count for S1 because we’re meeting all the characters that season?). The only real options we have for True Death theories at this point are Abigail, Ray, and Claire (and, I guess, technically Reginald, but he’s probably going to be the main villain again).

Frankly, I think the Fake Death will be hard to guess too. We can eliminate 3/7 siblings on the list, but there’s no reason they won’t give one a second Fake Death, and there’s not really anything tying the Fake Death characters’ stories from each season together (I’m sure if you go full conspiracy theorist you can find connections there, but I don’t think the similarities are intended).

Anyways, this was just a fun pattern I noticed and wanted to share.

#I didn't actually write this post in the middle of the night but the first sentence is still true #I just wrote a note to myself on my whiteboard calendar so I'd remember and be able to write this at a reasonable time lol #tua #the umbrella academy #tua theories #tua theory #tua speculation #eudora patch #eliott gussman #harlan cooper #allison hargreeves #ben hargreeves #luther hargreeves #tua s3 spoilers

[tinned-beef]

each of the siblings (+ lila) has their own color to show their timeline

luther- yellow

diego- red

allison- pink

klaus- green

five- blue

ben- orange

viktor- purple

lila- gray

and the timelines are all split up but they do come together to frame the umbrella BUT

does this mean we’ll get to see a team of viktor, allison, klaus, and ben and then the other team consisting of luther, diego, five, and lila???

it kinda makes sense too, because allison and viktor need to sort out their differences and klaus and ben need to figure out how they see the other!! diego and lila are parents, five and lila are besties, diego and luther were rekindling throughout season three?

#that’s my theory ig #the umbrella academy #tua #tua s4 #tua s4 spoilers #i guess? #umbrella academy #my rambles

[air--so--sweet]

'He was pretty ruthless in our performance reviews.'

'He always gave me five stars.'

What are people's interpretations of this scene because I can't work it out. From what we see Five had a good hold of his powers as a kid so it's feasible that he deserved five stars but I highly doubt the scores Reggie gave the kids were based on what they deserved. Alternate Reggie himself says,'I made you children feel small, confused about your own powers so that I could control you.' So why give Five a good review, especially when he was such an imperious, cocky little shit?

Is it that he was so arrogant he wouldn't have believed a lower score from Reggie and just ignored it and so he gave him five stars to motivate him as he would want to always maintain that level? Was recognising Five's talent a better and more reliable way of ensuring his compliance over trying to break him down? After all, when we see teenage Five get told he can't do something, his response is to, in fact, go and do that very thing.

Or was it more nefarious? Reggie realised Five's arrogance and self assuredness meant he could never control him in the same way he could the others and therefore believed him a liability. He couldn't do to him as he had to Viktor because Five and his siblings were all old enough to remember his powers and also having debuted those in the outside world knew about Five too. So instead, he decided to play into Five's arrogance, told him he was brilliant until he wanted to try time travel, and then firmly told him no, that he wasn't good enough. Because he wasn't wrong that time travel was dangerous but it would be a useful power for one of the Umbrellas to have, he could have started Five small, as he tells Five in the '60s, a lot can change in a matter of seconds. So could it be that he knew a denial would lead to Five choosing to attempt to prove him wrong and, as a result get lost in the future? Maybe he didn't know about him getting lost in the apocalypse but he knew Five's powers were volatile enough that he might not be able to get back, meaning trying to control him is no longer a concern for Reggie. Or maybe he thought Five would come back but with difficulty, leading to a loss in confidence, allowing him to make him feel small like the others.

Or maybe it was something else completely? I really can't tell, so would love others thoughts on this.

#the umbrella academy #five hargreeves #reginald hargreeves #tua #tua theory #tua discussion #I have been thinking about this line for over a year trying to understand Reginald's motivations

[i-seeaspaceshipinthe-sky]

reginald lied to klaus about his death in 3x07. in 3x06, when klaus comes to visit him, it’s a day; it’s still a day when reginald electrocutes him to death:

it’s night, when allison comes to the academy with harlan’s body in the trunk (and there’s also klaus’ body somewhere in the academy):

and it seems only the NEXT DAY reginald takes klaus out for training. in 3x07, reginald tells klaus he remained dead for 22 minutes. so, klaus probably thinks it’s still the day when he told reginald about the white buffalo suite; the last thing he remembers is being electrocuted. reginald also adds that klaus was totally vulnerable, and he could’ve taken any of his organs. klaus is shocked, because why good ol’ reggie would do that, right?

the training starts at 1:15 p.m., reginald writes it down. logically, klaus’ 22-minute-long death should be listed as 001, but:

it’s 004. 22 minutes - lower body (something something), and LACERATION? before that, 003 - failure (?). 

between klaus’ FIRST electrocution and the bus-ball training, reginald had killed him not one, but four (FOUR!) times. and, most likely he did indeed try to cut him/cut out his organs (?) to check on how/if his dead body can heal itself. spoiler alert: klaus CAN HEAL HIMSELF even when he’s dead. later, we can see it in 3x09 when he comes back to life when the wound on his stomach has ALREADY healed. (so no one could steal his falling out guts, right? reginald knew. old bitch fucking knew). 

so, i think reginald kept electrocuting klaus all night between 3x06-3x07 (with the method reginald chose, it could probably mess up klaus’ memories? he literally doesn’t remember shit except for being electrocuted one last time?) until he made sure that: a) klaus comes back fairly quick now (attempt 003 says 26 minutes, not bad, not bad!) and b) his body heals from any injuries so haha getting crashed with a car is not a big deal.   

#the umbrella academy #tua meta #tua theory #klaus hargreeves #reginald hargreeves #tua #umbrella academy #meta

[ollycohens]

What are they looking at?

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