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forevertrueblue · 5 months
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It's the way this image would have me so happy 24 hours ago but now it has me so sad.
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SPOILER ALERT EP.6
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I am equally very happy and very sad with episode 6. Sad because Loki is doing exactly what he told Sylvie was his biggest fear, being alone. But happy because he finally found his purpose, Loki is not the shadow of a brother, not a villain that follows orders, not a disappointment, not a liar or an untrustworthy person.
We see him sacrificing himself once more for the greater good, once again selfless in the face of uncertainty. Loki is selfless, he is the keeper, the watcher, He who remains. Loki gives up his own happiness for his friends, Loki accepts destiny with grace. Glorious destiny he created himself in the face of uncertainty and desperation.
But as happy as I am, I cannot stop being overwhelmingly sad, because Loki only wanted to be seen, understood and loved and when he finds this he has to give up for the greater good.
Now he sits alone at the end of time watching his friends live a life he could never have but happy because after all this time Loki found his glorious purpose!
Fun fact: Mobius is NOT living a life. The others are (B-15, Casey, OB). Sylvie is (her cute little face was all saying “I’m gonna live my life, bye”). Mobius, he’s not. He’s fucking empty. “I love the TVA”, “I like this place”, etc etc. But when Loki wasn’t there anymore, he left it. He went to see his timeline, cos that was what he needed to do. But he’s a nowhere man, now. Mobius is not happy. Loki is not happy because he had to sacrifice himself, in order to let his beloved ones and the entire world live. Everyone - EXCEPT Mobius. I loved this last episode. I was crying, I’m not lying. It’s a GREAT episode and I’m glad they took this direction. Loki is a God. Gods are alone. But what makes me even more emotional is that there is a little old human TVA agent that can’t apparently live without that God. I would have been super mad if they had shown Mobius staying at the TVA or living his life like Sylvie. THAT would have been the end. But this one, this one is NOT the end. It COULD be, if they don’t want to go on. But it very much sounds like “we’re gonna see what happens and leave the door open”. The door is Lokius, y’all.
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lokitvsource · 7 months
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First Footage of Loki Season 2 Opening Scene Released (Description)
A look at the opening 10 minutes of Disney+’s Loki Season 2 was shown to attendees at Destination D23.
Marvel Studios’ most viewed Disney+ series was none other than Loki Season 1, which arrived back in 2021. So, naturally, the hype for the Asgardian trickster’s second solo outing is reaching peak levels.
Loki Season 2 arrives in early October, and the marketing for the series has shown an exciting romp through time and space as its titular character leaps uncontrollably through different eras and perhaps universes.
Description of Loki Season 2’s Opening Scene
At Destination D23 this weekend, Loki Season 2 executive producer Kevin Wright was on hand to unveil the first 10 minutes of the show’s upcoming premiere.
Descriptions of this footage appeared online shortly afterward with attendees discussing several key plot points and events, including a chase scene through the TVA.
Laughing Place explained that the second season “begins at the exact same spot as the Season 1 cliffhanger,” with Tom Hiddleston’s Loki in the TVA library and a statue of time-traveling villain Kang looming in the background.
As devotees will recall, Loki’s newfound pal Mobius somehow has no idea who he is, which prompts the TVA agent to “chase him through the halls” with a squad of armed guards by his side. To escape, Loki jumps out of a nearby window and “lands in the bed of a yellow hover truck,” startling the driver and nearly making her careen into the Kang statue.
After the truck crashes into a building, “Loki tumbles out into an office where Casey also doesn’t recognize him.” It’s at this point that the brother of Thor takes notice of the office floor “which has the TVA shield and sword crest inlaid,” but it‘s been damaged. He has no chance to process this before he “glitches.”
The glitching is what’s known in the series as “timeslipping.” None of the characters know why it’s happening, but it’s causing Loki to jump through time without his consent.
When he rematerializes, Loki is “standing in the exact same room, with Casey staring at him quizzically.” But this time, Eugene Cordero’s character is fully aware of who he‘s speaking to, seemingly indicating that this is the version audiences met in Season 1.
But something puzzles the God of Mischief - the TVA crest on the floor is “still damaged,” which must mean that Loki was sent to the future of the moment he was just in. He “asks Casey to get Mobius, and then he glitches again.“
ScreenRant additionally pointed out that the truck chase scene is “funny,” meaning the first season’s dry sense of humor must be at least somewhat intact.
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tokkida · 6 months
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As much as I love and hate Loki, there's a huge inconsistency that's bothered me since season 1. I've thought about this through the scope of the entire series, but as a huge Lokius shipper, I've definitely considered this through my not-so-rose-tinted shipping goggles as well.
If the TVA staff and agents are basically carbon-copies of their selves from the Sacred Timeline, where do they go from here?
As a Mobius and Lokius fan, I've dreaded (and reluctantly accepted) that Mobius most likely had a family on the Sacred Timeline. Okay, cool. However, since our little meow meow agent is practically a clone of his Sacred Timeline self, he couldn't possibly go back to them, right? Same with Casey, B-15, D-90, my beloved OB... It's even established in S1E1 that Loki can't go back to his timeline.
After a variant is "arrested" by the TVA, the timeline is reset. Thus, a "copy" of that individual starts anew on their timeline while the original undergoes trial and pruning. If Mobius, Casey, B-15, or any other TVA worker went back to their original timeline, there would be two of them-- the original and the new ST copy. Realistically (lol yeah I know), how could that work?
Maybe I'm looking too much into this, and the writers have come up with some way for everyone to go back to their original timelines (wouldn't put it past them, honestly). But to keep the branching timelines from utter chaos, wouldn't the TVA still need to exist (but in a better and more humane capacity)?
I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this! :)
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Time loops. Repeating cycles. Time is a flat circle.
Here’s why I think Loki S2 is repeating the same episode structure as S1.
Let's go through the similarities between S1E1/S2E1 and S1E2/S2E2.
In episode 1, we have:
S1. Loki runs away from the Avengers
S2. Loki runs away from a Mobius who doesn't know him
S1. Loki meets Casey (at reception after appearing through a Time Door)
S2. Loki meets Casey (in a bay after coming through a large rectangular window)
S1. Mobius is investigating in France, 1549, when an agent comes and tells him Loki has appeared
S2. Mobius is looking at the timelines branch on the chronomonitor when Casey comes and tells him Loki has appeared
S1. Loki makes his way through TVA processing
S2. Loki makes his way through the TVA to reach Mobius, timeslipping as he goes
S1. Loki learns about the TVA through a recording (Miss Minutes)
S2. Loki learns about Kang and Ravonna’s relationship through a recording (a tape)
S1. Loki attends court, Mobius appears and interrupts proceedings
S2. B-15 and Mobius attends the war room (and have to give evidence like a court case), Loki appears and interrupts proceedings
S1. Mobius leads a suspicious Loki away from the courtroom
S2. Mobius leads a distressed Loki away from the war room
S1. Mobius reveals the truth of his life to Loki
S2. Loki reveals the truth of Kang and impeding war to Mobius/everyone else
S1. We see Loki affect human history by being D.B. Cooper
S2. We see Loki affect O.B’s history by talking to him in the past
S1. Loki faces the prospect of his own death (by watching the time theatre screen)
S2. Mobius and Loki face the prospect of their own deaths
S1. Loki runs through the TVA looking for the Tesseract
S2. Loki runs through the TVA looking for a Timestick
S1. Loki is distressed he can’t return to his life on the timeline
S2. Loki is distressed Mobius will die and he will be lost to time
S1. B-15 attempts to prune Loki (and prunes a cart instead) and Loki returns to time theatre
S2. Someone prunes Loki and Loki returns to present Mobius
S1. Mobius asks Loki to help find Sylvie
S2. Loki tells Mobius they need to find Sylvie
S1. We see a glimpse of Sylvie in Salina, 1858
S2. We see a glimpse of Sylvie at McDonald’s, 1982 (branched timeline)
In episode 2, we have:
S1. A hunter (C-20) goes missing
S2. A hunter (X-5) goes missing 
S1. Loki and Mobius go to a ren faire
S2. Loki and Mobius go to a movie premiere
S1. B-15 points out the “variant” sign on Loki’s jacket
S2. Loki points out the collar on X-5/Brad’s neck
S1. Loki and Mobius work together to find out where Sylvie is
S2. Loki and Mobius work together to find out where Sylvie is
S1. Loki attempts to lie to B-15 and Mobius
S2. Loki attempts to lie to X-5/Brad
S1. Mobius sets Loki with a task (to find where Sylvie is from reading reports) and Loki succeeds
S2. Mobius sets Loki with a task (to find where Sylvie is by interrogating Brad) and Loki succeeds
S1. Loki and Mobius have a cafeteria date talking about existential things
S2. Loki and Mobius have an automat date talking about existential things
S1. Loki and Mobius go to a shopping mall to find Sylvie, a mundane average American place. That place is about to be destroyed by an apocalypse.
S2. Loki and Mobius go to McDonald's to find Sylvie, a mundane average American place. That place is about to be destroyed by a bomb (to prune the branch).
S1. Sylvie is not interested in what Loki has to say, sees him as working for the TVA, and wants to remain focused on her own mission
S2. Sylvie is not interested in what Loki has to say, sees him as working for the TVA, and wants to remain undisturbed in the life she has chosen for herself
S1. Sylvie enchants C-20 to find out where the Time Keepers are
S2. Sylvie enchants X-5/Brad to find out how/where/when the timelines will be bombed
S1. Sylvie sets off hundreds of reset charges in various places on the timeline
S2. General Dox sets off hundreds of bombs on branched timelines
S1. TVA agents and Ravonna become aware of the issue
S2. Casey, B-15 and TVA agents become aware of the issue
S1. Sylvie leaves through a Time Door, Loki follows
S2. Sylvie leaves through a Time Door, Loki doesn't follow
There are some differences, of course, but the main moments are pretty similar.
So, I believe that Loki S2 might be structurally replicating S1 to enforce the idea of the cycle repeating and time loops on the viewer.
If this is the pattern and I’m not completely mad (which is always possible), we should see Loki and Mobius spend most of their time together at the World’s Fair in episode 3 (because Loki has chosen Mobius this time around).
How did I reach this conclusion? The idea of doing things again and again was sealed into the Loki S2 trailers.
And loops are coded into several names: Mobius, Ouroboros, but also Loki. In etymology, one of the meanings behind Loki’s name is loops (and tangled webs).
We also know that He Who Remains said, “Kill me and this all just starts again,” (I’m paraphrasing). He told us that time is a flat circle in his monologue, with the shape of the multiverses stacked on top of each other being a flat circle.
Ragnarok in Norse mythology is also a cycle that is doomed to repeat time and time again.
I’m fully fine to be completely wrong with this idea, and I can see that the episodes are not an exact replica, but it had enough story beats and overall length in time devoted to certain aspects (how long it takes Loki to find out where Sylvie is hiding through detective work in S1 versus how long it takes them to interrogate Brad and discover where Sylvie is in S2) and that’s why I consider it a strong possibility.
Only time will tell (pun very much intended).
And I also fully expect to see us go back and repeat things from S2’s episode 1 and 2 in later episodes. We have to see how Loki is pruned; that’s one of a few unsolved mysteries. And something will continue to push the angst over Loki losing his friends and Sylvie exclaiming that everything has fallen apart (again paraphrasing).
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andy-888 · 6 months
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Can we talk about how Mobius seems like the only TVA agent that likes mundane people things like games, jetski, pie... like he has hobbies??? And interests apart from the TVA??? Ik it seems like nothing but every MinuteMen I saw is so mission focused and when they realized the truth they were like "we need to save the TVA" like I don't think I've seen anything like Mobius. Casey didn't even know what a fish was. The only exception i can think of is Ravonna, who collected objects from missions
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where-theres-smoak-2 · 6 months
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LOKI 2X4 SPOILERS!
I'm putting my Loki theory cap back on now that I've watched ep 4. I mean talk about a cliffhanger. But I can't help but wonder what will happen next. So obviously I turned back to the trailers and earlier episodes looking for clues and I now have a theory. I hope it's one that makes sense but I have a habit of rambling when trying to explain how my brain works, so apologies if that is the case. But anyway on to the theory.
I know the initial reaction to have to that last scene is to say well obviously they aren't all dead, there's still two episodes left. I said that too when I first saw it, but I actually do think everyone in that room apart from Loki died at that moment. However I do think we are still going to see them again.
From the trailers we know that there are more scenes of Loki time-slipping that we haven't seen yet, despite that problem supposedly being fixed in ep 1. But they used the loom to fix the time-slipping, so I think that as the loom is destroyed Loki's time-slipping will come back.
I think a big clue as to what is going to happen can be found all the way back in ep 1 and its largely this moment that I've based my entire theory around. It's the scene where Loki time slips into the past whilst talking to Ouroboros.
I actually think Ouroboros is very significant, the symbol of the serpent eating his own tail causing its destruction and rebirth at the same time, this idea that the end is the beginning and time being circular. They bring it up in this episode when talking about Victor basing his work on OB's and OB basing his off of Victor's.
In that scene in ep 1 we learn that by talking to OB in the past Loki was able to have a direct influence on the future, its played off as a funny scene, but I actually think its really important.
So, getting to the point, I think just as the loom explodes killing everyone left in the TVA, Loki will time-slip away. I think he will then end up being pulled to all the timelines that our gang were stolen from.
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There are these shots from the trailer that show B-15 as a doctor, Casey as some kind of workmen in an underground tunnel looking place and then Loki time-slipping outside of a power sports shop that is selling jet skis. I think each of these are showing the lives that were stolen from B-15, Casey and Mobius. There is a quick, blink and you miss it shot of Mobius on a jet ski in a featurette that was released and he is wearing a blue jacket with the Piranha logo on it, so it looks like he works there, which explains his fascination and love of Jet Skis.
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I have two theories about what might happen when Loki interacts with the gang on their own timelines. Either he will just straight up tell them all what is going to happen, their minds will later be wiped by He Who Remains but those memories of that conversation will still be there and Sylvie will be able to access them when the time is right.
The other theory is that maybe Loki is the one that takes Mobius, B-15 and Casey from their timelines and then hides them amongst the other variants stolen by He Who Remains, knowing that later they will become his allies, essentially creating sleeper agents within the TVA from the beginning.
Either way I am sure that we are going to see their past lives which I am really excited for.
It also looks like Loki will end up time slipping back to the past TVA. We get a few shots in the trailer showing Loki there. This one where he comes across himself reading the TVA guidebook:
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And this one where he seems to be a prisoner again:
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The one where he is a prisoner again I wonder whether that's him travelling back to the TVA he was at in ep 1 before they all had their memories wiped, only this time he lets them capture him so that he can talk to Mobius and explain what is going to happen.
The other possibility is that he goes back to the events of season one when he is first arrested and warns them then.
I think Loki is going to meet our gang several times over the timeline and each time will have to explain what is going to happen like a loop. There is a clip in the teaser trailer where Loki is talking to someone about how he has been time-slipping and he says its hard to explain again. Then as the trailer comes to a close it shows the same shot and Loki repeats the word 'again.' Really creating this idea of time looping and events repeating themselves.
There are also those shot of Loki and Sylvie outside Mcdonalds that we haven't seen yet. I think that for Sylvie this will actually be the first time she will see him, so he travels back further and meets her on hiss own this time, whilst for him they've had those previous interactions from ep 1, 2 and 3, for Sylvie he's just popped up out the blue now, if that makes sense.
There are also shots of them talking in what appears to be a bar where she is wearing the same clothes as the unseen McDonalds scene. So maybe after he finds her, again, he convinces her to go to the bar with him to talk and that's why when she asks him what he really wants he replies that he wants to save his friends, because for him they were killed when the loom exploded and he is hoping by communicating with past versions of them he can change what will happen. It's like Sylvie said when Loki told her that he had seen her at the TVA and that it was the future it was going to happen, she replied 'Is it? Because that sounds alot like the future has already been written and we both know it hasn't, I made sure of it.' Again letting us know that the 'future' we just saw where the loom explodes can be changed and isn't set in stone.
I also do think that the loom exploding is going to have other consequences though if these shots are anything to go by:
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It looks like the timelines are all going to start turning to spaghetti and just start disentegrating away. Sylvie is again in the same clothes as the Mcdonalds and bar scene so I think maybe at first she rejects Loki and refuses to help, like she did when Loki came to her in ep 2, but then seeing this goes to him realising how serious the situation actually is. This effect kind of reminds me of that episode of What if, and the Multiverse of madness with Dr Strange and the melting around them because he messed with time too much. Like everything is just slowly melting away.
But as I said there is this theme of time looping that was in the trailers and in the first part of this season, so obviously Loki is going to manage to get the gang together for a second time and hopefully this time it will go differently. We know they are all going to end up back in the loom room as there is this shot of the whole group there and where Loki is, for some reason, holding a microphone like he is going to make an announcement.
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So in an attempt at a summary, the Loom exploding will be a bit like a reset. Loki will go back in time and then work to change how things turn out in an attempt to make sure the Loom doesn't explode and find the version of the timeline where he can save his friends and where they are successful at stopping the Loom's destruction.
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taraljc · 5 months
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One one thing that has been eating at me the last week is that Loki never apologised to Sylvie, or thanked her.
Because she was right. The whole thing was a sham, a trick, the longest long con. He Who Remains wasn't afraid because he had no actual intention of dying.
He banked on being able to trap a Loki in his old job, ensure the status quo, and get away clean. Victor Timely, the throughput multiplier, all of that was just misdirection--making you look the right hand so you miss what the left-hand is doing. Loading up his tempad and taking it off, placing it in easy reach. He had to give them the hope of winning so that they could realise the game was rigged, and he expected them to give up.
But Sylvie never did. She would have fought right up to her last breath for the entire multiverse, not just the one sacred timeline, and another eternity of endless genocide.
She was never going to settle for cutting their losses, saving what they could, and going right back to the status quo at the expense of the rest of existence. And in the end, neither did Loki. She asked him flat out what right did they have to play God? And did he really want to be the one who banished free will?
She forced him to stop lying to himself not because she's trying to hurt him but because she was trying to help him figure out what he truly wanted what his true motivations were so that he would know himself. so that he might have the same chance that she did to find out who she really was.
In the first season, Mobius was the one pushing for Loki to face truths about himself that were hard, but necessary. He was Loki's first real friend, who treated him as an equal and earned his respect. And that allowed Loki to become Sylvie's first real friend and they inspired each other to become the best versions of themselves.
Mobius refusing a seat at the table wasn't about Loki. It was always about his own fears of finding out where he came from and who he had been. requesting his file and finally looking up his counterpart on the Sacred Timeline was always going to be painful but necessary.
He spent eons chasing down dangerous desperate people, investigating, working the desk job and only going out into the field very, very rarely. He had insulated himself from everything and everyone. and it took two Loki's to turn everything upside down, and show him that the person he trusted most in the world didn't deserve his loyalty let alone his affection because she viewed him as nothing but a burden, and a tool to be used.
Everybody talks about Casey is being the most different from his sacred timeline counterpart, but I think a slightly corny single dad who sells jet skis is about as far away from a skilled analyst and field agent for the most powerful organisation in all of existence as he could get.
So while I am glad that Loki was able to thank a version of Mobius and shake his hand, I do wish that Sylvie had got the same sort of moment --some kind of acknowledgment that there was only ever one real choice. She deserves to hear it from his own lips that she was right, and he should have listened to her from the start. Not right about everything. The people of the TVA were capable of change and weren't rotten to the core. But HWR? She saw through him.
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merpiko · 4 months
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tva tumblr dashboard simulator (limbo of after s1 but before the big events of s2)
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Can L1130 stop throwing infinity stones at me while I review his mission report
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I told him I was gonna snitch to Mobius and he stopped
#X-5 was right #he literally deflated the moment I told him how much power does Mobius hold over this guy
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just learned theres a department called repairs & advancements and its run by just one guy?? so thats how my tempad gets fixed
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hello! (-‿◦☀)
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wait. ouroboros? did you write the tva official handbook
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yes :D
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OH MY GOD I'M A HUGE FAN CAN YOU SIGN MINE
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sure! just come down to r&a ^_^
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DEACTIVATED?? THIS WAS POSTED 5 SECONDS AGO
#fishy #i thought it wasn't possible for weird fonts besides the tva standard ones #it is now! #MISS MINUTES???
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did i just see renslayer open the sims 4 on her tempad
#so much for the rule of not jailbreaking them
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blonde woman stepped through a time door and is currently making me type this as she holds a dagger to my throat, so does anyone know where mobius and the variant are
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probably making out
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They're in the auto-mat.
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thanks you guys suck -syl
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@alligatorwithacrown-inmourning i was across from op and her, she looked hella pissed when she saw your rb
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they would make a good couple tho
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Our job is to manage the timeline, not speculate on relationships.
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do you think her and the variant were exes
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do you ever shut up
#annoying cubicle neighbors
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GO BACK TO WORK
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im pretty sure that the blonde woman was the variant's ex
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I'm going to gut you like a fish!
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WHAT WAS THAT FOR
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The variant taught me that one! And go back to work, Emilia is going to start lashing out on me if you keep posting :)
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damn right casey
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can someone prune the variant (aka loki (of many), aka L1130, aka mobius's pet) hes going to destroy the tva if he keeps teaching casey these things
#i miss when fish didnt exist yet
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do you think anyone has ever gotten freaky with this
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op what the hell is wrong with you
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i sit at a desk for eons
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miss minutes please do your job and delete this post
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Why is there a poll discussing my relationship with the variant?
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@alligatorwithacrown-inmourning
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FUCK
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keep up the great work people
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He took my TemPad, sorry.
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loki we need to talk the next time you come over
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wait weren't you the girl that almost killed my coworker
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i can come over now is it an emergency
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not for me but for you
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im not coming over
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SHE ALMOST KILLED ME
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;)
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inwantofamuse · 6 months
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My thoughts on Loki, season 2, episode two, but first:
* Marvel, give Mobius an interesting back story. Don't give him a white picket fence jet ski story. Make him a villain. He could be an assassin for all I care. Make him a child of Thanos. Have his family be wiped out by Loki in New York. Anything, anything but this. It's just so BORING*.
The second episode felt weak and rushed. I feel like they are still unsure what type of show they want to do. I get what some critics have said about the tone. It's all over the place. Timey wimey time agents is what we were told it would be. Get back to that.
I was so excited for the undercover work and Loki/Mobius getting to be partners, and that lasted all of five minutes. The show just hits different when Mobius and Loki are together doing anything. The rest of the time, it's kind of like the air has been let out of a balloon.
Because it is so rushed, we lose great character moments. Seriously, Mobius almost DIED for you, Loki. And we can't get a moment between them afterward ? UGH
I'm going to start praying for Tom and Owen to get a separate movie project together. Wes Anderson, are you listening ?
I loved all the Mobius/Loki stuff(not enough of them) loved B15, (Queen !). Wunmi Mosaku is GORGEOUS. Loved Casey fangirling over O.B. Loved the found family aspect of it. But I can't shake the feeling that there is a traitor in their midst. If I were an evil Overlord, I would plant a version of myself in the TVA, or someone to spy for me.
Ravonna was that person. Who is it now ? My money is on O.B. Like, he said he never sleeps. He's either a liar, or he's not human.
What's the deal with Mobius and the memory glitches ? And why are he, Brad and O.B repeating some words ? Why does Brad say "this place isn't real, three different times? It reminds me of Loki saying in season one, "this place is an illusion"?
Anyway... the parallels of growth with Loki, and the Loki/Mobius relationship from season one ? I could write an essay just on that. Loki STAYED. Loki chose to be there for Mobius and the rest. No Roxcart divorce part 2. I love that the heart of the show is the relationship with Loki and Mobius.
Always has been, always will be.
Looking forward to ep three. May the Loki/Mobius stuff last longer this time.
ETA....also, the words Brad said to Loki are almost verbatim what Mobius said to Loki in season one. Could they be programmed when they are memory wiped, to hate all Lokis, because Loki will be key in bringing Kang down ?
Because if so, that means Mobius was able to overcome his programming...which is so freaking awesome.
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twh-news · 7 months
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‘Loki���: Tom Hiddleston on Finding The God of Mischief’s New Family with the TVA
"Maybe there’s more burden and less glory in the purpose this time.”
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In the first episode of Season 1 of Marvel Studio’s Loki, Tom Hiddleston’s mischievous scamp is plucked from the Sacred Timeline, brought before a judge at the Time Variance Authority, sentenced to be pruned for his actions, and only saved at the last second by curious TVA Agent Mobius who needs Loki’s help. Loki, being Loki, is less than thrilled about everything going on and in true Loki fashion snarls, “I’m going to burn this place to the ground.”
Fast forward a little bit — one trip to the Void and the end of time later — and Loki’s singing a different tune. He no longer wants to burn the Time Variance Authority and everyone inside its walls to the ground; now he’s trying to save it.
Season 1 ends with Loki arriving back at the TVA but things look much, much different than when he left them. After some painful Time Slipping back and forth, Loki realizes that he’s being transported through the past, present, and future of the TVA…but that’s still not the biggest headache on his hands. Thanks to Sylvie killing He Who Remains, no one is regulating the timelines, let alone the Temporal Loom which is overloaded and very close to bursting. Loki, now more than ever, is under a time crunch to figure out what is happening and stop it before any more catastrophic events take place.
“The stakes are higher, the clock is running down, and reality is going to be destroyed including everyone in it and everyone he loves, so Loki is propelled by this momentum and this urgency to try to put the brakes on the dissolution and destruction of reality,” returning star Tom Hiddleston explains. Not only is he trying to save the timelines, but more importantly, he’s trying to save his newfound family — Mobius, Hunter B-15, Casey, and everyone else at the TVA.
“Loki always struggled with family in the MCU, but he’s found a new family in the TVA,” Hiddleston continues. “In the breakdown of understanding himself and having his sense of self opened up, broken down, and rebuilt by Mobius and his colleagues at the TVA, there’s a new awareness and a capacity to connect with other people.”
It’s a big 180° shift, considering Loki first walked the TVA halls threatening destruction, and now his only goal is to make sure the TVA doesn’t explode.
“He’s a character who, as long as I’ve played him has been searching for meaning,” Hiddleston adds. “Even when he wasn’t aware of it, he was full of grievance and anger and emotional destabilization because he didn’t feel he had purpose or meaning. He was looking for meaning in the wrong places and now I think he’s found a way of giving himself purpose, which is to try to reorganize, to help Mobius and Hunter B-15 and the TVA.”
It’s a major shift for the character as viewers dive into the new season, and Hiddleston knows it, “If Season 1 was about self-awareness and self-acceptance, Season 2 is about taking responsibility and trying to find a new purpose. Maybe there’s more burden and less glory in the purpose this time.”
Either way, Hiddleston is thrilled to be putting back on Loki’s TVA jacket.
“I can’t believe I’m back. Season 1 felt like a new beginning because we were stripping Loki of everything that was familiar to him it was taking him away from, from the timeline and Asgard and Thor and Odin and all the things that I was familiar with. It’s a new beginning, a new story, a new chapter, and hoping that the audience will accept, and you know and be inspired by our new story… Let’s see if we can do it all again but better.”
Editor’s note: The following interview was conducted before the SAG-AFTRA strike began on July 14, 2023.
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janehaster · 6 months
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Mobius
B-15
Ourobouros
Those were likely all made up names of the TVA agents and hunters. Maybe Casey was the only one with a real name.
Could it mean Mobius' true name isn't... Mobius?
And...we'll finally learn B-15's true name?
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delyth88 · 6 months
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So I have some questions....
Is there a whole separate department we haven't seen yet that is actually responsible for bringing variants on board to become TVA agents, or is this just something that happens every few hundred years at the same time as people's minds get wiped?
With the death rate we've seen so far they must need to replenish their staff somehow, and it doesn't seem like they have time for relationships or children if they're working 24/7 like OB says. While seemingly being immortal will help people do still die on missions.
Also, what do all the people in the other buildings in this giant city do?
And in terms of explaining why OB remembers Mobius but Mobius and Casey don't remember past Loki - are we to assume that OB was just somehow missed by whoever wiped everyone else's minds? Or was he considered so unimportant (although that doesn't seem right if he's the only person who knows how to fix the loom?). Or is he somehow involved in the long game without knowing it? Or with knowing it..?
And given that Mobius knew about the existence of OB but was super hazy on the details, does that mean that the memory wipes aren't 100% effective?
And one more memory related thought - is it odd that noone seems to be freaking out about this additional revelation? I understand they've gotten used to the fact that they were all variants at one time, but I feel like they should be digging deeper into why they didn't remember Loki's first arrival in the TVA. I think that'd be damn creepy.
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alwida10 · 10 months
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I need a word, but I don’t know which one. This trail of thoughts was inspired by a post where someone discovered the nice and cool guy he knew was secretly a serial killer, and how upsetting this revelation was.
So, I was thinking about the Loki series (yes, again), and how it characterized the major players and I noticed something I was tempted to call „one dimensional“, but sadly „one dimensional“ is defined as „ a character who lacks depth and who never seems to learn or grow“. And while I do accuse Larry and co of many things, they do have an arc over the season. So, that’s not the word.
I tried „lack of complexity“ next, but that’s basically the same, so here is the thing I observed. Perhaps you can tell me what it is called.
I am thinking about a character being a „mix“ of good and bad things, in contrast to a character whose facets are all running parallel. Picture a character with different aspects; let’s say their work ethics, their personal life, their hobbies. Imagine someone who is always throughout in their job, polite and well mannered, and has orderly hobbies. They might even change over time, but when they do, all traits show change in the same direction. They start stealing from the workplace, yell at their family and utilize illegal means in their hobbies. On the other side I see characters like Loki in Thor 1, who has many facets:
1. his intentions for the well-being of his people
2. his behavior towards Odin
3. his behavior towards Frigga
4. his relationship to Thor
5. his intentions for jotunheim and it’s people
Over the movie some of those facets change, but not all, making him a complex character, but even without considering that his behavior is different depending on the recipient. This is still the case at the end of the movie. Number 1 & 3 stay fine, 2 & 4 change to the worse, and 5. goes from „i don’t care for them“ to „kill then all“. Another example for this kind of characterization would be Tony stark (after his arc in IM1), who does his best to fight for the greater good, but can be a real burden to those who care about him.
In contrast, Larry‘s traits run parallel. In episodes 1-2 I see this:
1. his behavior towards people that are weaker than him (the mongols, Casey): condescending, threatening
2. his behavior towards people who are more powerful: manipulating, aggressive
3. his attitude towards people: good to be ruled, but not more
4. his attitude towards the time keepers: should be overthrown and replaced by Loki.
He does change over the season, so I cannot call him one-dimensional in the classical sense, but even after the change all traits point in the same direction
1. his behavior toward a people who are weaker than he is (TVA agents in the „new“ TVA): should be protected
2. his behavior towards people who are more powerful (sylvie, the new mobius): we have to work together, treating them with respect or submissiveness, pleading for support
3. his attitude towards people (TVA agents in the „old“ tva, everyone who HWR‘s plans affect): should be protected, consequences for them need to be taken into consideration
4. his attitude towards the ruling person: need to be considered, loki doesn’t want to rule anymore.
I see the same tendency with Sylvie, who changes from a) a badass fighter who can do everything on her own and b) someone who is harsh in conversation to a) someone who needs and accepts help and b) someone who starts opening up in conversation.
A noteworthy exception from this style is Mobius who is show as understanding and welcoming in his personal interactions but is totally okay with killing innocents by pruning. However, at the end of the season his facets are in parallel, too, since he is still verbally welcoming but now against mass murder.
Anyway, I think that is something to consider when writing a character. Real people are seen differently. The dragon-like school teacher can be someone else‘s beloved friend. The lawful and stern father might have been a hippy once. People are multi-faceted.
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sparkplug02 · 5 months
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This is the Best Part to Play (Lokius fic)
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Lokius Oneshot
Diverges from Season 2, Episode 4 of the Loki (2021-?) series. Some backstory:
After the Time Loom destroyed itself, Loki came to with six Avengers in his face in New York, 2012, after the Temporal Loom overloaded. He panicked, spilled the beans about Thanos, and realized he had just set his timeline on a crash course to branching without the Endgame time travel even interfering yet. Sure enough, the TVA came to prune the branch, but B-15 was one of the hunters again. Loki restored her memory and got the other Minutemen off their backs, but Loki realized that if he wanted to go back to the TVA and try to stop He Who Remains again, his timeline has to be pruned. He did so, warning the Avengers to take the Tesseract and run from Alioth, then left with B-15 who set a reset charge.
Back at the TVA, B-15 bypassed him through processing and made up a lie about Loki being so uncooperative that she just pruned him to save time. During a more proper reunion, B-15 explained that she essentially went through the same thing: she woke up in her timeline, right before it branched, was arrested, had her memory wiped, and was made into a TVA hunter.
Loki and B-15 find O.B., whose memory was left intact, and Casey, who was grateful that he was brought back. O.B. and Casey are working on crafting new tech so they can try again, and B-15 is making sure that no one has caught onto them. Sylvie is unaccounted for. Now it's time to get Mobius back.
"Excuse me?"
Excuse? Like Mobius needed an excuse for a break. He had been staring at paperwork for too long. 
He looked up and saw a tall man peaking around the walls of his cubicle. An analyst, but not one Mobius recognized. 
"Agent Mobius, right?"
"That's me," he affirmed, letting the file he had been reading fall to his desk and facing the analyst. "Something wrong?"
"I was wondering if I could... run something by you," the analyst requested, gesturing behind him away from the desk. "I was just transferred here, so I'm still new to this sector, but I've come across something that I'd like to take higher up. Before I do that, though, I'd really like to get a second pair of eyes on this. I've been asking around and everyone says you're the person to go to."
If Mobius could hear the voice screaming in his head, he didn't pay attention to it. "Well, I'm flattered. Not sure if I'm your guy, but I can take a look." He rose from his chair and went with the analyst back down the aisle. "What did you say your name was again?"
"Loki, Agent Loki." He held his hand out to Mobius to shake as they walked.
Mobius didn't hesitate to shake it. "Huh. Nice to meet you. You know, there's this guy on the Sacred Timeline with the name 'Loki,' too," he said, tilting his head. "A real troublemaker. You heard of them?"
"A couple times," Loki said, glancing over his shoulder behind them. "A real piece of work, if you ask me. We've gotten so many of their Variants recently."
"I know, that's what makes it cool. I mean, come on. How crazy do you have to be to keep branching like that?"
"Pretty crazy."
"Yeah." Mobius wondered why he hadn't met this analyst yet. He seemed like a nice guy. Easy to talk to. It was like they had already known each other for years or something. "So what's this thing I'm looking at?"
"It's, uh..." he looked around again. Mobius couldn't tell what he was looking for, but he didn't ask either. "I think there's a weakness in our strategy."
"A weakness? Like what?"
"A loophole. A way for Variants to hide on the Sacred Timeline without being detected. This way," he said, pointing Mobius down a hallway that was less crowded. 
"That's, that's impossible," Mobius argued. "Variants set off a Nexus event everywhere they go. You can't take five steps without creating a branch down there."
"Unless you know where to go," Loki explained, "and more specifically, when to go there. I know it sounds crazy, but I promise this will make sense."
Mobius shrugged. He wasn't sold on this yet, but that's why he was here, right? "Okay, so... what am I looking at?"
"I think it'd be easier if I showed you." He pulled a TemPad from his pocket and held it up. "May I?"
Well, that certainly didn't clear anything up, but he didn't object. Loki opened a time door and held a hand out. "After you."
"Do I need a field vest for this?"
"No, no need for that."
"...alright." This new guy was... interesting, to say the least. Maybe that's why he got transferred. Mobius walked through the door with no idea what to expect on the other side. 
He tried to ignore the growing headache he felt. It was like there was someone trapped in his head, banging on the wall separating them, screaming to be let out. To do something. It was all... muffled, and if Mobius was honest with himself (which he didn't let himself do) it had been going on for a while. It hadn't been this annoying until now, though. Maybe he needed to get it checked out. 
On the other side of the time door, Mobius found himself standing in Pompeii in the year 79 AD. He took a look around at the people milling about, all of whom were calm and unbothered and, most importantly, alive. Mount Vesuvius hadn't blown yet, but Mobius had a feeling it would soon. After all, there's only one reason why Pompeii was so important in the grand scheme of history. 
"I'll say this much, you definitely know how to pick tourists spots," Mobius said. Behind him, Loki stepped through the time door right before it closed. "Not sure what this has to do with your loophole theory, but-"
A hand grabbed his wrist. Anyone standing in front of Mobius would have seen his eyes begin to glow green. 
Loki exhaled, breathing a sigh of relief. Getting Mobius away from the TVA had been the risky part. Now that they were in an apocalypse, they were undetectable, but he could still feel his heart racing in his chest. Restoring B-15 and Casey's memory had been quick and easy, but for some reason, Loki couldn't just trust that it would work a third time. As long as he held on, though, as long as he didn't let go, there was hope. As soon as he retreated out of Mobius's mind, there was a chance that Mobius would still not know him and everything was about to fall apart.
But not yet. Not yet.
"Mobius," he said, his voice low despite the lack of present danger. "I hope you can hear me. I hope you're still in there, somewhere."
No response. There wouldn't be a response until Loki let go, but he couldn't yet. He couldn't let go of his hope yet.
"I don't know what they did to you," he went on, lowering his gaze. "I don't know how long it's been, but I'm almost sure it's been longer for you than it has been for me. All I know is that I found my way back. I'm back, Mobius." Loki let out another shaky breath. "We can try again. I don't know what we did wrong last time, but we can figure it out and fix it, but we need you back, Mobius. The others are back, too. B-15, Casey, O.B., they're all back again. We have another chance."
All he could do was stare at the back of Mobius's head, but it was better than looking him in the face and risk seeing an empty, blank, unrecognizing stare in return. "I hope you're still in there, somewhere. We need you back, Mobius." That wasn't it, though, was it? Not all of it. "I need you back. Please," he whispered closing his eyes. "Please, come back."
Moment of truth. Either pruning his own timeline was worth it for this exact moment, or everything was about to fall apart again, except maybe even worse than the first time.
Loki let go of his mind. He felt Mobius relax and regain control of his body, and he heard his breathing quicken and stagger. He couldn't look. If Mobius turned around and still didn't know him, he didn't know what he was going to do and he wasn't ready to face that reality yet. Loki looked down instead, and he slowly released Mobius's wrist.
Except Mobius was quicker than him. Just as Loki was about to pull his hand back, rough fingers caught his and clutched onto them. 
His hope was back, and it was shining all the brighter now. He looked up, daring to take a chance on hope.
He saw Mobius staring back at him, staring like he had just woken up from a nightmare. Staring like he was afraid. Staring like the world was crashing down around him (and in his head, it might as well have been) and he was looking at the last thing still standing. "Loki?"
"Mobius!"
And then everything was okay. It was impossible to tell if Loki pulled Mobius in for a hug or if Mobius pulled in Loki, but it didn't really matter in the end, did it? 
The wall separating Mobius's memory from his consciousness had been shattered the moment Loki enchanted him, but that also meant the screaming voice was let loose too. Along with a flood of memories crashing into place came the gut-wrenching realization of what all of it meant. His Nexus event. His sons, who were both gone along with his timeline. The memory wipe. The transition to being an analyst and... Mobius's eyes shot wide. The work. The targeting. The pruning. Hundreds of years of it.
"Mobius?"
I did that. I did it all over again.
His legs were buckling underneath him, and the only thing keeping Mobius upright was Loki, dropping to his knees so he could catch Mobius as he lost the ability to stand. Somehow, his hands still worked, and now he was gripping Loki's jacket in his fists so tightly he was half-dragging Loki down with him.
"Mobius, are you alright?"
"Oh, god," he mumbled, but it was only just beginning. "It happened again. All of it, all over again. The Sacred Timeline... it's back. It's all back, and nothing- nothing happened, we're all back at the beginning-"
"I know, it's okay-"
"They didn't do anything! They didn't even know and we just sent them to the End with nothing and we didn't care!"
"You couldn't have known, this isn't your fault-"
"I did."
The screaming was only getting louder. It wasn't just Mobius panicking internally (though that was certainly happening as well).
No. No, that was too easy.
"I knew," he said, just barely above a whisper. He pulled back off of Loki just enough so he could think. "I knew when I got back. I was punted right back to my Nexus event, right before it, and I knew it was coming. The Minutemen came in and I knew who they were, I knew what they were going to do."
The screaming wasn't just because Mobius realized what horrors he helped the TVA commit. It wasn't just because his mind was being flooded with memories of the previous loop. It wasn't just because they failed to modify the Time Loom before it overloaded and the TVA had been destroyed.
"They wouldn't listen. I tried to tell them we were all Variants but they wouldn't listen. I was trying to get back but I didn't know how and I didn't know where you were, nobody would listen to what I was saying, they wouldn't listen-!"
His only comfort in that moment was Loki, hugging him tightly and blocking out everything else, but not even that could silence the storm in his head. He knew. He knew what was happening as he was dragged before a judge-before RENSLAYER-and there was nothing he could do about it. The voice in his head wasn't just screaming.
It was mourning.
It was finally giving a voice to the last remnant of Mobius who knew what he had lost, who knew what the truth was, and who knew what was coming. It had been silenced for so long, but now it demanded to be heard.
I LOST MY FRIENDS! it shouted to the wind. No one heard it, but better to shout at nothing than to be eaten alive by it. I LOST THE ONLY CHANCE WE HAD TO SAVE THE MULTIVERSE! I LOST THE ONLY THING I KNEW, THE ONLY THING I HAD LEFT! I LOST MY BOYS AGAIN! MY SONS, THEY WERE SENT TO THEIR DEATHS AND ALL I COULD DO WAS WATCH! I LOST EVERYTHING I KNEW ABOUT THE TRUTH! I LOST MY MEMORY! I LOST MY COMPASSION FOR VARIANTS, I FORGOT THAT I WAS ONE! I LOST EVERYTHING I WAS FIGHTING FOR! I BECAME PART OF THE PROBLEM AGAIN AND I NEVER WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED BUT! I! KNEW!! I KNEW AND I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING!!!
Vesuvius might have blown up then and there but Mobius wouldn't have been able to move. His guilt gutted him, leaving his chest hollow like there was something missing. The TVA didn't just take his memory. It took away his understanding, his autonomy. It took away the fight from inside him, the desire to fix what was broken and hurt. I wasn't ME, Mobius finally realized. That was the worst part of it all. He had become a shell of the person he had become when the Time Loom overloaded.
What did I do?
The voice in his head, having finally been able to have their say, fell quiet, but the memories didn't. Everything he had done came back to him. All the Variants he had seen pruned, all the cases he had analyzed, all the timelines that had been destroyed... he saw all of it. 'I've seen the horror waiting for people when they get pruned, and there's nothing necessary about that.' Hadn't he said that? How could he have forgotten that? How could he... how could he have stood by and let that happen to anyone?
It was too late now. They were gone, or at best running around with a bunch of Loki Variants trying to dodge Alioth. Everything was back to the way it started. The TVA, the Sacred Timeline, and probably the Loom, it was all where it had been when they started putting the pieces together. All their work, all their sacrifices and their risk amounted to nothing in the end. Nothing had changed, no one had been saved.
Until now.
Loki had found his way back. No doubt, he had caused some mischief in order to retain his memory and masquerade as an analyst long enough to get Mobius here where the TVA couldn't detect them. They couldn't detect that Mobius had his memory back, and they definitely couldn't detect that Loki was hugging him, shielding him from the rest of the world.
He didn't know what Mobius was thinking, but he didn't have to. Mobius was shaking so hard that, if he hadn't been clinging onto Loki so tightly, it felt like he might fall apart at the seams. It was as if Loki was the only thing keeping him in one piece. Loki held still, grounding him like an anchor at sea (that was, if somehow the ocean could be inside the ship).
If he was honest, he needed to hold Mobius together as much as Mobius needed him to do the same. The TVA couldn't possibly notice them here, but that didn't alleviate the fear that someone would barge into 79 AD and rip the two of them apart again. If that happened, who knew how long it would be before they could regain their memory and find each other again. Loki didn't want to think about it, so he cradled Mobius's head with one hand and held him closer, hiding him from the powers that be. Don't take this from me. Not now. Not when I've just got him back.
Slowly, the shaking slowed. Mobius was still holding on, but it was less like a drowner holding onto a lifeline and more like a sailor hanging onto a mast. "It's okay," Loki whispered, hoping his voice would further ground Mobius in the present. "It wasn't your fault. They took that choice from you. This isn't your fault."
"But I knew," he cried, blinking away tears. "I knew it."
Loki wanted to erase all of Mobius's guilt, to relieve the pain of the truth, but he would have to take Mobius's memory again and he refused to do that. "I wish it wasn't true. I wish I could wipe it all away and tell you something better, but I can't. We couldn't stop it."
We couldn't stop it.
Saying it out loud made it real and irreversible, but it also made it seem a little smaller. They didn't do this. Mobius and Loki hadn't brought this to the multiverse willingly, and neither had any of their friends. They failed to stop it, but they tried. Oh, how they tried, and it hadn't been enough. Somehow, putting into words made it an easier reality to face.
No, they couldn't stop it, but now they knew. Now they could confront their failure and maybe, just maybe, do something about it.
Finally, finally, Mobius seemed to find some peace. The tension in his body slowly released, and he melted into the embrace. Loki bowed his head, shutting his eyes and just enjoying the touch, nothing else. Mobius was back. He was hurting and shaken, but he knew Loki again and that was enough for right now. Loki leaned his head against Mobius, and if he noticed that Loki's lips were brushing the side of his head, Mobius didn't say anything about it.
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The solution to all stress was food. It was foolproof.
Pompeii fast-food restaurants looked nothing like their twenty-first century equivalents, but the owners let the strange men in strange clothes order and take a seat with only mild suspicion. It was the best Loki and Mobius could hope for, really.
The soup was decent too.
It kept them busy so speaking wasn't really necessary. The volcano still had a while before it was set to erupt, so neither of them were in a rush. Sitting together again felt so familiar, so mundane. How many times had they done this before?
Mobius was nearly done with his bowl when he finally asked, "I'm guessing you enchanted the Minutemen when they came to your timeline?"
Nodding, Loki scraped up the last of his soup. He had eaten fast than Mobius had. "B-15 was one of them again. When I saw her but she didn't recognize me, I realized what was happening. It was a last-ditch attempt. I still can barely believe it worked."
"So she's back too?"
"Yes. She's covering for my case. I assume she's going to make something up about how I was an unruly prisoner and she decided to prune me to save everyone the trouble."
"Did you manage to salvage your timeline?"
His face fell as he shook his head. "There was no way to protect it without raising suspicion. Of course, by that time, I had already done too much."
"What do you mean?"
"I panicked. I tried to explain what was about to happen to the Avengers before I realized what I was doing. Just telling them about the TVA and the multiverse was enough to cause a branch." Loki's eyes unfocused as he looked at the ground. "I gave them the Tessaract before we set the reset charge. Told them to stay away from Alioth. It was all I could do."
Mobius's face quickly adopted the same glazed-over look. "Yeah. I mean, who knows? It might be enough to give them a fighting chance."
"We'll know soon enough. If they do survive, I have a feeling we'll see them before long."
They fell into silence again. Loki was done with his meal, but he didn't make any motion to rise from his seat.
"I had kids."
Loki stared at Mobius, but his eyes were unfocused, staring off into space. "Two boys, little kids. Their mom was long gone, it was just us, and..."
He didn't need to go on. They were variants. They knew perfectly well what had happened to their timelines and everyone in it. If those children were pruned, they were gone.
"Did they understand what was happening?"
Mobius shook his head. "I told them to go in the house and close the curtains. Didn't want them to see it, but the Mintutemen said they were under arrest too."
"Even if you were the Variant?"
"That's what I tried to tell them. They were just kids, they had no idea what was wrong. They didn't even do anything. It was my Nexus event, not theirs, but they still..." Mobius sighed, shoving away the rest of his food.
They sat there for a moment, until suddenly, Mobius stood up without warning and walked off.
Loki blinked, then rose and followed him. "Mobius?"
No response. The restaurant staff, who had been trying to learn more about their strange guests but couldn't understand their language, watched one lead the other down the street, away from the center of town and out of sight. Oh, well. There went their free entertainment for the day.
"Mobius!" he called again, weaving around other people passing by. "Mobius, where are you going?"
"I don't know, anywhere!" he said defeatedly, throwing his hands up. "Not like it really matters, does it? Nothing matters in an apocalypse!"
He knew he wasn't going to get away from Loki, he could catch up eventually, but he needed to get away from... something. He had to. He couldn't bear to sit still because if he did that, he could hear his sons screaming for him to help them all over again.
Just as quickly as he had started, Mobius abruptly stopped walking in the middle of the street, his head hanging low. Loki just barely stopped in time, nearly plowing right into Mobius.
Pompeii moved all around them like a river coursing around a stone in the middle of the current. Smoke was rising in the distance. Loki and Mobius were in this world but not part of it, and if their suits didn't give that away, the distance between them and everyone else did. You might have thought they were on fire by how no one else was willing to come close to them.
Loki reached out and touched Mobius's arm lightly, just to tell him he was there. It helped. Mobius made half a turn, then finally spoke again: "How many times do you think we've done this?"
No answer came, but Mobius didn't wait for one. "How many times do you think I was held back while I watched my sons get pruned? How many times has B-15 pruned you? How many times has someone, maybe us, found the truth about the Timekeepers and He Who Remains?"
"You think it's a loop?" Loki asked. "Time isn't supposed to exist in the TVA."
"Then how did we end up back here?"
"Maybe when the Loom overloaded, it reset everything."
"How many times?" Mobius asked. "How many times has the Loom overloaded? How many times did the people who figured out the truth get reset and wiped? Or worse, pruned?"
"We can change that," Loki said, infusing as much certainty into his voice as he could. "You're back, I'm back, B-15 is back, and we'll find the others before long. We can skip the bit with the Timekeepers and be one step ahead this time."
"And then what? I mean, should we kill He Who Remains again, or will that just reset the loop again?"
"I don't know, but we'll figure it out."
"How? And what if we get it wrong?"
"We'll try again!"
"And then what?"
Loki searched his eyes for an explanation. "What do you mean?"
"What if we try again, and again, and again?" Mobius asked. He looked around at the street surrounding them, his shoulders falling. "What if this is it? What if there is no way to break the loop?"
"No," Loki said, mostly just being stubborn at this point. "No. I don't believe that. There is an ending to this, one where the multiverse is set free, and we're going to find it."
"But what if we don't?" Mobius asked. "What if you keep saying that we're going to find it and we keep coming back together and we keep trying something different but it ends the same every time? How long before something goes wrong?"
Loki grabbed Mobius and pulled him gently but firmly to an alley between two buildings. No one was watching them, but this wasn't for these people to see. They didn't need to listen to them worry in their last minutes.
"This has happened before," Mobius went on. "Maybe not with us, specifically, but this can't be the first time someone has gotten to the bottom of this whole mess. They probably tried to the same thing we did."
"But they're not us," Loki argued. "We were close. We were so close! If we can just figure out where we went wrong-"
"What if there is no right way?"
"Don't say that!"
"If it all gets destroyed anyway, then nothing matters, right? Just like in an apocalypse. One way or another, it all gets destroyed in the end. We get destroyed in the end. We're just going to lose over and over again, and I can't do it!"
"Mobius-"
"Losing the kids twice was bad enough. Losing you and all the others at the Loom was bad enough! How are we going to just keep doing this if we can't-"
Loki grabbed Mobius's shoulders and stared him straight in the face. "Maybe you're right!"
It was the only thing that stopped Mobius's spiral. Loki only said it so he would listen. Mobius couldn't give up, not now. Not when Loki had given up everything just to get him back.
"Maybe we're in an endless loop," Loki admitted. "Maybe we're trapped in this game with He Who Remains and we can never win and we're doomed to repeat this over and over and over again. I don't believe that," he said, pausing to make sure Mobius knew that much. "I don't believe it. There is an end to this and I'm going to keep fighting until we find it, but if this is a loop..."
Mobius was calm enough to listen now, but he was clinging to every last word Loki said. Was there any good in this? If anyone could find the light in a loop this dark and this terrible, Loki could, but was it even there? Had he found it?
"If this is a loop," Loki repeated, "if all we can do is resist but never win, if the Loom will overload and send us all back to the Sacred Timeline every single time, if we have to do this again, then this is the best part to play."
He tried to think, tried to find the words to say exactly what he meant, because without any explanation, it was insane. How could any part of a loop this horrific and constricting be 'the best part?'
Loki couldn't think of what he needed, and he was about to just blurt out something, but he looked at Mobius first, and that stopped him. This is the best part to play.
"It matters," he said. It was such a simple way to say something so important, but it was true. "It matters that we want to give people a chance to escape the fate of the Sacred Timeline. It feels pointless, because if all of this is just a loop, then it doesn't feel like anything we do will change the outcome, but it's not about that. It's, it's like an apocalypse. Nothing matters, right?" Somehow, Loki found himself echoing the same words he told Mobius the first time they came to Pompeii, but oh, how time had changed the meaning. "In a few minutes, all of this will be gone. All of these people, everything they care about, all gone. That's what every apocalypse does, and that's why the TVA can't detect anything that happens here, so nothing matters."
"Yeah, except when someone finds a way to use an apocalypse as a smoke screen for something bigger," Mobius pointed out. At least he was calm enough to make quips again. "It doesn't stop the apocalypse, but it mattered to us."
"Exactly. It was still destroyed in the end, but it still mattered."
He looked down. He didn't know how to make this make sense, but it did to him. Loki relaxed his arms, but he didn't let go of Mobius's shoulders. Mobius didn't seem to mind that.
"If this is all a loop," he started again, "if nothing we do can stop He Who Remains, and if all we can do is delay the inevitable, then we're just cogs in a machine we can't change. There are parts to play, and if we don't try to do something, someone else will eventually, and it will all just happen anyway. Either we can pretend like we don't know anything and hope for the best, or we can fight the hopeless fight. We can resist He Who Remains and try to give people free will and a chance to live outside the Sacred Timeline, and we can fight for the TVA agents who have already lost everything. That fight, even if we can never win it, matters. It matters," Loki insisted. "It matters that we choose to fight for something better than what is. If we have to be part of this loop, then I would rather be part of the side that stands for hope and freedom. I would rather go through this loop a thousand times and lose over and over again than be part of the problem."
Mobius let his gaze fall. He had been part of the problem. Not willingly, but he had, and so had B-15, and Casey, and everyone else at the TVA. He could go back and just go through the motions again, but what kind of person would that make him?
Loki wasn't done. "I would rather us be sabotaged by Renslayer than to follow her. I would rather us take chances on Variants like Timely than trust He Who Remains. I would rather us brainstorm and plan and fail than to not try at all. I would rather us work together, knowing that we trust each other and that we're fighting for something worthy of a fight, and lose it in the end than not have it to begin with. I would rather risk coming here to get you back, and to get all our friends back again, and watch that Loom overload and start all over again than to not have come back again. This is the best part to play," he said, and Mobius looked up again. "Our part."
Our part. The part where they cared more about actual, real people than they cared about a bureaucracy and fake gods. The part where they had their real memories and real friendships and were allowed to mourn those for the lives that no longer were. The part where, even if branches were dying, their conscience was clear. The part where they were allowed to choose which side to stand on in this war on loop. 
The part where they faced the death of hundreds, if not thousands, of branches together. The part where they hunted down traitors like X-5 and Dox together. The part where they faced the destruction of the TVA together. The part where they knew what was coming but at least they would do it together.
Maybe that last bit wasn't what Loki meant, but it was reason enough for Mobius. That screaming voice in his head was out now, content now that it knew Loki knew he knew who Loki was. Everything was set right again. Loki was back, having managed to evade the TVA's attempts to prune him in true Loki fashion, and Mobius was his entire self again. Sure, if the Loom blew again, they'd have to start all over, and everything hinged on the hope that Loki would find a way to restore Mobius's memory before something bad happened, but that wasn't going to happen yet, right? They had time. It was running out, but it wasn't gone yet. 
He breathed out, just barely nodding. It would be one thing if Mobius didn't remember what happened before the Temporal Loom destroyed itself, or if he had been captured or killed or something worse. This was an entirely other thing, though. They had a chance to restore the Multiverse, to free the timelines, and protect billions of innocent lives. Doing anything else now wouldn't just be ignorance but malice. Mobius wasn't malicious, and he wasn't heartless either. He was going to fight this fight, pointless or not. He couldn't, in good conscience, do anything else. The slim hope that maybe it would work this time was enough reason to try.
But damn it if the friends he made along the way didn't give him more reasons to do something pointless anyway. 
It hurt. Knowing he couldn't save his timeline hurt. Knowing he had condemned his world by intentionally causing a Nexus event hurt. Dooming his sons to a terrifying death hurt. Knowing he could yell and shout at the other TVA agents that they were Variants too to no avail hurt. Having his memory erased really hurt. Realizing what he had done after the mind-wipe hurt worst of all. He hung his head just thinking about it. 
The other memories, though, the kind, warm memories of light banter and soda-drenched salads and running from cloud monsters and supporting each other through tense meetings and troubleshooting time-slipping and crashing movie premieres and key lime pie and mischievous plans and Cracker Jack and arguing over tiny little figurines... that was worth it. Even if they couldn't win a doomed war, wasn't it all worth it for moments like that? They had already lost their timelines. If for nothing else, didn't they have to fight for the one life they had left? 
He ought to say something. Loki was right, even if it was such a bleak destiny to resign to. Mobius opened his mouth to say something, but before any sound could come out, he felt Loki's forehead touch his, just barely. He could have just bumped it by accident if neither of them knew better. 
Mobius pressed his forehead into the touch, and that seemed to say whatever it was he was thinking for him. I'm in this,he might have said. It's going to hurt, but I'm not backing out. I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, but as long as I can hold your hand in the dark, I'm in this.
That was a good place to stay for a while. 
The bustle of Pompeii seemed to quiet around them, like someone was turning down the volume control to the world. The quiet assurance that they were going to face whatever waited for them back at the TVA together made it easier to accept. Mobius still had a gut-wrenching fear that everything was still doomed to fail, but it didn't seem so intimidating right now. They had faced it once before, after all, and so had others before them in previous loops. He had been arrested and memory-wiped and conditioned and persuaded and pruned and betrayed and nearly had his skin ripped off and provoked to lose control and blown back to the Sacred Timeline only to repeat at least part of that process, but he had still made it this far. If he had to chose, he'd rather go through it all again with Loki than by himself. If he was doomed to be part of this loop, then he wasn't going to play his part alone. 
Somehow, Loki still had shining hope that there was an end to this. Mobius didn't have that hope, despite all that he wished he did, but he did have Loki. As long as they were still willing to try, whether it would change the outcome or not, this was the best part to play. Their part. "Our part," he finally said out loud. 
A deep rumbling in the distance interrupted the moment quite rudely. Unfortunately, they were still in Pompeii, and unfortunately, Mount Vesuvius was still set to erupt right about now.
"I think that's our cue," Mobius said, if not a bit disappointed.
"B-15 is going to grab Casey, and then we'll all go downstairs and find O.B.," Loki explained, but he didn't pull away. The Pompeii residents were beginning to scream and run, but the two of them still hadn't moved.
Right, the others. Mobius's friends. All of them. "Okay, and then what?"
"Then we do whatever it takes to stay under the radar until we can come up with a plan," Loki assured him, "preferably one that Renslayer doesn't know about."
"Oh, shit."
Loki smiled. "I see you remember that as well."
"I do now. What about Miss Minutes?"
"We'll figure it out," he promised. "We have another chance at this. We have time."
Mobius nodded, and they really had to go now. Loki finally let go of his shoulders, reaching into his pocket for a TemPad. His other hand drifted down, prepared to keep Mobius in front of him just in case the volcano blast moved faster than they wanted, but Mobius grabbed it instead.
They had time. They had time to come up with a plan, they had time to do it right this time, but they also had time for them. Mobius was sure there was more to say, more they hadn't quite gotten out before Vesuvius blew, but they would have time for it later. Explaining why they had become such good friends in such a short period of time would be interesting to say the least, but that was their part to play.
With one last look behind them, Mobius and Loki walked through the time door Loki had summoned, back into the hallway they had left not long ago.
"Well, I'd say you're definitely onto something," Mobius said, half-startling Loki. "We're gonna need a lot more evidence though. Something this big needs proof."
Oh, right. Their cover. "I know you must be busy with other cases, but can you spare some time for this?"
"Yeah, I think I can make that work." For a split second, Loki saw a knowing, dare he say mischievous, smile return to Mobius's face. In that moment, it was rather easy to pretend they were back at the beginning again with no knowledge of a greater plot or a Time Loom or fake Timekeepers or anything beyond the TVA and the Sacred Timeline.
Hopeless as their part might be, but that didn't mean they couldn't get their fun where and when they could. Mobius was still holding onto Loki's hand, not willing to separate again so soon.
I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel, but as long as I can hold your hand in the dark, I'm in this. This is our part, and this is the best part to play.
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therese-lokidottir · 2 months
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Either showrunner completely in hurry or to much blind seeing obvious things. I meant they look like knowing what they showing is horrible things so they using words to 'fix it' but of course it only made the series look very stupid and cruel
I meant they said the plot twist is that tva is evil, when in first scene thy literally showing they being evil
Then in season 2 they trying make them more sympathetic by showing their past but not working well because how horrible and evil they showing in season 1 and make it more worst they very aware what they did.
See the problem. They can be sympathetic, I willing to give they sympathetic if in season 1 they actually showing that tva agents showing guilty and remorse by erasing timelines but we'll they stuck in loop because they 'created by time keepers so they feel need obey'. And they not so cruel with varinats,I meant kill is one thing but they torture variants too for unknown reason (I bet it's for showing power and superiority)
But what we got ? Jerk and evil persons that hide behind 'good reason' . b-15 is not care about her own co workers, mobius too narcissist, ravona is hungry by power and let's not forgetting all minutes man are very cruel and showing didn't a give a shit if they pruning innocent peoples like in roxxort
And Casey pretty much not really understand what is going around him (he didn't counting). So on one of tva workers showing really sign of sincere feeling. And suddenly in season 2 they want us feel sympathetic to this cruel peoples that have not remorse at all?
Not that I want anymore of this trash but I think Loki is a good example 6 episode is just not enough to try to tell the story and have the characters they want to have.
They don't have time to set up and develop the characters. To dive into what drives them and explore the nuances of them. Everything has to be rushed past. Like, in season 1 Mobius being so mad and saying Loki betrayed him is awkward and poorly done. The first two episodes make it so clear that Loki is on a leash, Mobius doesn't trust him and Loki himself doesn't want to be there. There's no point they become friends. Loki had no intent to stab Mobius and was trying to prove his theory in Pompeii that's the closest we get. So, when Mobius calls Loki a crappy friend and accuses him of working with Sylvie comes across as delusional and dumb. Why Loki would consider the person who has done nothing but talk down to him and manipulate him, a friend is equally baffling.
There's no time for nuance so characters just feel uneven at best and malicious two-faced at worst. The reason I lose any sympathy for everyone in the TVA is not only do the only change when they themselves are the victims, they're shown enjoying the power they do have. We the audience are told the characters are one thing while being shown another. The exposition has to be barfed out with no thought or time given to the world-building. The Disney+ were made without a show bible which explains why things feel so nonsensical at times.
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