So like rlly sorry if this sounds rude but like the post you reblogged abt pro shipping the op legit made like a moodboard for an incestuous paedophilic ship and was like pretty supportive of it and I just feel like that’s maybe not good? Again sorry if this comes off as rude I don’t mean it to
No, you’re not being rude! I appreciate you telling me this. I didn’t know that. Whenever I think of “problematic shipping,” I always imagine things like in Death Note and the arguments I always see in this particular fandom, where literally everything is problematic when thought too hard about, practically making shipping impossible unless the characters are twisted from canon in some way. I don’t do background checks on posters, and I generally agree that people should be allowed to ship whatever they want without judgement, even vaguely problematic things, as long as it doesn’t extend to real life. I personally am absolutely not an incest-shipper; never have been or will be, even when it’s canon. The only reason I shipped characters with significant age differences when I was younger was because I thought the older ancient character was cool as heck, and I was in the other character’s age range, so I related to that part of the post. I certainly don’t ship pairings like that in the same way anymore since I’m an adult now and do find it a bit skeevy, so I do alter them a bit to make them more palatable if I ever feel the need to ship them. But like I said, direct p*dophilia and incest are absolutely not on the table for me.
And call me ignorant, but my old ass thought “pro shipping” meant, like, “I’m supporting the concept of shipping.” Yes, I’m very old and am having problems keeping up with these newfangled terms you peeps keep coming up with! Why the hell isn’t it called “prob-shipping?” Would’ve saved me a bit of confusion. 😑 So, no background check, ignorance, and agreeing with the overall message I was interpreting at the time is why I reblogged it. Ship responsibly, I guess.
Again, thanks for telling me. I learned something today~. Ehehe…
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Talking About A Certain Hiyoko Headcanon:
Okay so there’s been a few things that have been on my mind lately. It’s about the headcanon {that’s often treated as fact from what I’ve seen} that Hiyoko is much younger than her classmates. I have a few questions about this:
1) Why does this headcanon exist?
2) Why are people treating this as if it’s canon to Hiyoko’s character?
There’s quite a bit about this that I really don’t understand, nor like. In this post, I want to debunk this headcanon and go over a few other things related to it.
Before I start, I want to put a disclaimer here. Firstly, there will be spoilers for almost the entire DR series {DR,DR2,DR3: Despair Arc & DRS specifically}. Secondly, I will be touching on a few heavy topics such as p*dophilia, so if this makes you uncomfortable please don’t force yourself to read this post. Finally, I’m not looking to start a fight and this isn’t targeted at anyone specifically. So please don’t come into my replies or my ask-box looking to start something. I don’t tolerate that nonsense here. With all of that out of the way, let’s begin {more will be under the cut}!!
So, the argument that I’m going to be making is that Hiyoko isn’t younger than her classmates, rather she’s the same age as them. The first piece of evidence that backs up my claim is that Hiyoko goes through a significant growth spurt at some point during her time at Hope’s Peak Academy. It’s first referenced in DR2 Chapter 6, where in a glitched version of the academy Hajime finds a news article that includes a picture of an older/more mature-esque Hiyoko.
Hajime is confused, as the Hiyoko he knew had a “child-like appearance” and had died. So there was no way she could’ve possibly went through a growth spurt… except he was wrong. During the trial, it’s revealed that the killing school trip was actually a simulation the entire time. Hajime then recalls the evidence he had found earlier and backs up the “everything was a simulation” claim.
Their time on Jabberwock was just a memory of when they all started at HPA. Everyone’s {including Hiyoko} avatars reflect this because in reality their bodies have actually matured approximately 2-3 years. It wasn’t recognizable to them at first because they had their school memories taken away from them.
DR2 Chapter 6 Trial {9:20-12:22}.
We also see Hiyoko’s growth spurt in DR3: Despair Arc Episode 5.
DR3: Despair Arc Hiyoko Saionji Compilation {2:08-2:21}.
Now some might say that “there are people who look older than they actually are”, which is true. However, the opposite can also be true as well. In Hiyoko’s case, before her growth spurt she looked much younger than she really was. A couple of the characters {Hajime in the prologue/Chp.6 & Kazuichi in Chp.6 for example} refer to Hiyoko as having a “child-like appearance/figure. In the prologue, Nagito brings up that Hiyoko’s dancing is popular amongst young audiences, but most of her fans are men. Hajime thinks that this is because Hiyoko looks so young, stating that they must all have the same “niche”.
DR2 Prologue Part 2 {26:56-27:14}.
The “niche” in question could also be referred to as Hiyoko’s fans being drawn to her “un-high school student-like” appearance. Would being described as having a child-like/un-high school student-like appearance apply to someone who’s supposedly younger than the rest of her class? No it doesn’t, so it doesn’t support the headcanon in question.
People have also referred to two screenshots from DR:S as evidence for their headcanon. However, it’s more likely they were misinterpreting what was shown on screen. First we have this screenshot featuring Hiyoko, Mahiru & Mondo.
Looking at the cutscene as a whole, it’s more likely that Mondo said this because Hiyoko neither looks nor acts like someone their own age. I’ve already covered her looks, but in terms of actions we see Hiyoko throwing a fit/crying because Mondo ruined her plans with Mahiru. When asking him to apologize, Hiyoko makes demands like “rubbing his pompadour into the dirt” which sounds very immature.
DRS Hiyoko Saionji Events {3:56-7:01}.
Then there’s the screenshot featuring Hiyoko, Mahiru & Himiko.
I’ve seen this being interpreted as “Hiyoko has no reason to refer to herself in such a way if she’s the same age as everyone else”. Now in DR:S, this takes place in an AU where the casts from the main 3 games are all the same age and are about to graduate. When they entered the simulated Jabberwock Island, Hiyoko was booted back to how she looked before her growth spurt {the growth spurt still happened during her time at HPA} and everyone knows this. Hiyoko had called Himiko a “little runt” because she felt like Himiko was trying to take her “big sis” Mahiru away from her. Himiko retorts that they’re actually around the same size… well at least in the simulation that’s the case. This then leads to what Hiyoko says in the screenshot.
DRS Hiyoko Saionji Events {26:00-28:16}.
Since everyone knows that Hiyoko’s gone through a growth spurt back in the real world, what’s more likely is that Hiyoko is saying that even though she looks like this in the simulation, at least she’ll get taller unlike Himiko who’ll probably stay that short forever.
Hiyoko isn’t a 500 year old entity that looks like a young child. She was just a teenager that didn’t look or act her age, that eventually went through a growth spurt. People like Hiyoko do exist in real life, it’s not that hard to believe.
Another point that I can make is that one of the two requirements to get into HPA is that you must already be attending a high school. You’d have to be at least 16 years old to even attend the academy. Some will probably say “what if Hiyoko skipped a few grades”, but this is never confirmed nor implied in any DR media that features Hiyoko. A character from DR1 Yasuhiro Hagakure outright states in his game’s prologue that he’s actually 21 years old and was held back a few times.
So if Hiyoko had skipped a couple of grades, then why wasn’t this ever brought up to her classmates or the player/viewer during DR2 or DR3: Despair Arc? Surely this would’ve been important enough information that the developers wouldn’t have just forgotten to include it, right? It just wouldn’t make any sense that this wasn’t brought up, if this was a part of Hiyoko’s character. Therefore, Hiyoko would’ve had to have been at least 16 years old and already attending a high school in order to get into HPA.
Hiyoko having a growth spurt & the requirements to get into HPA are the main pieces of evidence that goes against Hiyoko being much younger than the rest of her class. Now I want to cover a claim people have made using this headcanon that I really don’t agree with. It’s being claimed that M/ahiyoko {Mahiru + Hiyoko} is a gross/unhealthy relationship and that Mahiru is creepy for having feelings for Hiyoko. Essentially the ship is implied to be “p*dophilic… which none of this is even close to being true. Making accusations like this is incredibly bold/serious, especially when there’s nothing to back it up. Hiyoko & Mahiru are the same age and if anything Mahiru showing kindness to Hiyoko in DR2 would help inspire her to change. An example would be at the start of DR2 Chapter 3 when Hiyoko made a memorial for Mahiru in her honour. While it looked sinister, there was honest intent behind it. Hiyoko admits that she made it because she wanted Mahiru to know that she wasn’t alone, even if she’s in heaven. The others comment how this is unlike how Hiyoko usually is. I can’t picture Hiyoko in the previous chapters doing something like this, so I think this was thanks to Mahiru’s influence.
DR2 Chapter 3 Part 1 {9:30-11:58}.
So in what way does this make their relationship gross/unhealthy? Also, Mahiru isn’t a creep for having feelings for someone her own age. There’s a clear cut difference between Mahiru & Hiyoko’s fans who like her specifically because she looks “younger”. Mahiru isn’t a creep, the fans who objectify Hiyoko in such a way are. If you personally view Hiyoko & Mahiru’s relationship as purely platonic or familial, that’s fine. However, you can dislike a ship without making serious accusations without the proper evidence to back it up.
One last thing I want to mention in this post, is how people will outright treat this headcanon as if it’s canon information. I find this to be completely ridiculous, if something was canon it wouldn’t be a headcanon anymore. People can have their headcanons, however don’t treat them as if they’re 100% fact. At this point, all you’re doing is spreading misinformation around which isn’t really productive at all. What if someone who knew nothing about DR came across these posts about this headcanon? They’d be thinking that this is canon information, when it’s not. I find that the DR fandom in general has a problem with treating their headcanons as the truth when it’s not, and the people who headcanon Hiyoko as being younger are no exception.
These are the reasons why I think Hiyoko is the same age as the rest of her classmates.As well as M/ahiyoko isn’t a gross/unhealthy relationship and Mahiru isn’t a creep for liking Hiyoko as more than a friend. This headcanon doesn’t really make any sense and I wish the fandom would stop parading it around as if it’s canon. Please do your research and think before making very serious claims that can’t be backed up with proper evidence.
I want to once again reiterate to not go to my replies or my askbox looking to start something. I don’t care if you agree with me or not, however don’t be an ass about it.
But anyways, thanks to everyone who made it to the end of this post/heard me out with what I had to say. All the clips I’ve used for this post are from the YouTube channel justonegamr. The screenshots also were taken from their videos as well. I definitely want to make more analytical posts on this blog in the future, so be on the lookout for those!!
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The Everhood server.
I got banned from the Everhood server including everyone who was once in there for a long time also got banned because the mods made a document about the server on lockdown but they were behind on other situations that they didn’t address.
What they didn’t address in the document was the allegations of a pedophile name Marcos The Fox who is still active on the social media platform which he shouldn’t be due to further evidence of grooming minors and sending explicit images of p0rn in direct messages.
This led to lot of backlash against the document with everyone to protest against the mods for not mentioning the allegations, instead they were defending the pedophile, not the victims.
Screenshots are provided from this tweet
*Do you think the mods do anything to solve this case? No, no they didn’t.
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