#two bisexual fools with no self awareness whatsoever

[july-19th-club]

i know benedick and beatrice have a history, but i never saw them as having dated each other at any point in the past. they’ve seen each other through lots of ex partners apiece, and even though they communicate entirely through slightly mean jokes and clowning on each other, they’ve also known and supported each other for so long now that the concept of trying to date each other would never occur to them. that asshole? yes we’re constantly together but it’s just more convenient to bicker in the same room. yes we talk about each other all the time but it’s out of annoyance. yes we keep tabs on each others’ dating lives what of it. it’s so we can make fun of each others’ s.o.’s easier. you people want to set me up with my number one roast target? think again idiots 

#but it's them that are the idiots #two bisexual fools with no self awareness whatsoever #what a beautiful love story #make no mistake maan is the only romcom i actually care about #much ado about nothing #shakespeare

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Revolutionary Girl Utena Headcanon Survey: Results!!!

Thanks so much to everyone who responded to my survey! There were a few troll responses, but those have been deleted. The results are below. May be spoilers — proceed with caution!

Other responses:

Queer

is into women, not sure if bi

Lesbian, but society have influenced her to view men as attractive (princes) as shown by how she forgot Anthy through the change in the "fairy tale".

Series: Kinsey 2—predominantly heterosexual, but she does seem to have feelings for Anthy. Movie: straight-up Kinsey 3 bisexual.

Other responses:

Bi, but prefers girls because men tend to abuse her

ace lesbian

Too hard to say without seeing her after being out of abusive situations for a while.

I dont think it is knowable, to herself least of all.

Bisexual but also, bisexual is Not the same as pansexual. Pansexual is liking all genders. Bisexual is liking same gender + other gender, ie a person can like the same gender + nonbinary, but not male/female, thus making them Not pansexual. They're two completely different orientations so please don't erase bisexuality/pansexuality by combining them 

Utenasexual

Demiromantic/demisexual

Series: demisexual/single-target sexuality on Utena; movie: bisexual/pansexual

Questioning but def into girls

Other responses:

Lesbian. She has never been attracted to that blue haired manipulative sexual harassing senpai of hers.

Demisexual

Other responses:

Not straight but Very Confused

Ace lesbian 

Demisexual

Nanami seems a bit too immature to know her own sexuality yet—see: Nanami's Egg

Other responses:

Queer

She does what she wants

Bisexual, not pansexual. 

Straight, but totally willing to make out with a girl for attention

Other responses:

Some flavor of queer -- I see her as falling heavily into compulsory heterosexuality without realizing it

She's gay but it's gonna take her a few years to figure that out

not sure if straight or bi

Bisexual, not pansexual.

maybe bi-curious?

Other responses:

Heavily closeted lesbian

Dr. Jekyll/ Mr. Bi

bitch

Other response:

Bisexual. It's heavily implied that she was the previous Duelist before Utena. She might have had a relationship with Anthy, which makes Anthy hate her even more after because she chose Akio.

(Neither Tokiko nor Keiko have any other responses.)

Other responses:

Queer, but mostly uses sex for power and not intimacy or gratification

Scum

who the fuck cares

asshole

Yes.

Hedonist

Pansexual but abusive/pedophilic. Is attracted to people not for their gender but for the extent of control he can wield over them.

rather than "no preference" can i put "no orientation" whatsoever because he is a bad manipulative man and attracted to revolutionary power alone

the devil

Toxic masculinity—sexuality is a weapon that he uses against women and men alike. I don't think attraction or orientation has anything to do with it. So maybe aromantic and pansexual?

Evil

Queer

Bad

Power that can be gained from their partner. Either over the partner or because of the partner.

He'd describe himself as Heterflexible

Biromantic asexual. He acts sexual throughout the series due to Akio's manipulation, not of his own desire to attract others sexually.

Other responses:

Queer

Hatefucksexual

Bisexual, but for the same gender attraction, he's very closeted and insecure about it.

Frustrated

Other response:

Mikage = Gay / Nemuro = Straight

Other responses:

Straight trans man

Trans lesbian

Greysexual

hyper-repressed trans lesbian

gay trans girl!!

Other responses:

He's Just A Kid Dude

He's prepubescent, so it's hard to say for certain

Other responses:

I Don't Even Remember This Guy

Likes girls, at least, but is so weird in approaching this that might be trans.

:D

Other responses for the survey in general are under the cut!

I think that the entire purpose of trying to fit these characters into specific sexualities goes against a lot of the point of the show. I see the show as very much a queer (and queered) narrative, and a lot of the characters would fall onto the queer spectrum, and it seems almost incompatible with the project of calling into question pre-received categories of self that the show itself has to even have a survey with questions like this.

I only gave their sexual orientation based on the interactions I saw during the series. All of the men are straight because I didn't see (or remember) them interacting with other men in a romantic/sexual way. I didn't base their sexuality on their appearance or their(especially touga's) flamboyant personality.

A lot of the heterosexual relationships in this show are explicitly shown to be Fucked Up so like, idk. Like, I don't really have a hc for Tsuwabuki bc his romantic involvement with Nanami was just Bad and I don't really see it as indicative of an actual preference and more of like, a vulnerability to manipulation? And I feel like that's true for a lot of the characters, like their really manipulative or abusive relationships can't be taken as like an actual indication of preference. Especially the incestuous ones.

chu chu is gay

I love my gay dueling kids

Some of these people's orientation is 'bitch/asshole' if you ask me.

Chu Chu is clearly gay. Come on.

???lol utena isnt straightttt

fuck akio ohtori

Literally everyone is bi in the Utena universe. Nice and simple. It allows for ease of storytelling, being able to explore gender/sexuality themes without getting all label-y in a narrative that doesn't really use (or need) labels. I like Utena specifically because it focuses on the more interesting storytelling aspects of romance and heterosexism without unnecessary diversions of "am I gay or straight? oh no I can't decide!" (But then again some people think of that as the driving question of the whole series! I think everyone just pulls out themes they relate to.)

this show made me realise i was a lesbian. also dont ever ask me abt chu-chu's sex life again

everybody thats a douche is straight i don't make the rules it actual canon

Chigusa Sanjouin - bi 

Shaddow Play Girls - sexualities indiscribable in our lowly human language

We Are All Wlw

you fool. chu chu is the Ultimate gay representation

chuchu is bi too

It's odd how I just assumed some of the characters e.g. Tatsuya and Keiko are straight just because they don't show attraction to anyone of the same gender in the show but honestly I don't care

Aro/Ace should be a modifier and not it's own category

Although I marked some down as straight, no one's really straight on this show. I can see everyone make exceptions, although they're still primarily what I marked them down as (as far as headcanons go)

I imagine that Utena, Shiori, and Saionji are on the closeted side of things at the beginning of the series.

STOP CHU-CHU ABUSE (also juri and miki are both aroace and platonic soulmates bc not everything has to be about romance i think)

Chu-Chu's orientation is frog.

What about the Shadow Players??? (Kidding)

Bisexual and pansexual are two completely different orientations. Please do not erase the two by combining them.

utena is very much in the closet and by the end of the series she comes to terms with being a butch lesbian thanx

Everything is lesbians

lesbean

Chuchu is chusexual (attracted to frogs).

nanami's orientation feels more complicated than straight but i feel like she'd live her life that way and say it as straight to simplify for people (and herself)

Didn't ChuChu date a frog?

honestly i dont really have an orientation hc for keiko either i was just really aware of the fact that i hadn't put "straight" for any of them and i was like "yea she's probably a straightie" but you dont need to factor that in to your results or anything its just a fun fact, a piece of trivia i chose to share here :-)

fuck i love these gays

chu chu is gay and i love him

#revolutionary girl utena #shoujo kakumei utena #rgu #long post

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      Jack and Christophe though. one of Jack’s most fucked up relationships and also one of the most fascinating imo. so I mentioned here about how there’s a real argument to be made that Jack is unconsciously crushing on Christophe during the Shipwreck chapters of TPOF, and since this first started to occur to me a couple of months ago it’s honestly made more and more sense as time has gone on, and also explains a lot about Jack’s sexuality and how that works as well. for those who aren’t familiar with TPOF, Christophe is young Jack’s closest friend, a mentor figure in his early days and a man that he absolutely idolises and, in part, tries to emulate -- and also a treacherous, sociopathic rogue pirate who attacks and sinks his own brethren and burns merchant vessels after looting them. Jack is bad at choosing friends okay which is why he needs friends who will look after him just saying.

      one of Jack’s most consistent traits is possessing a blind spot when it comes to judging character, and altogether being too trusting for his own good -- although in Christophe’s case I really don’t think any blame should be put on Jack whatsoever since he is so clearly the victim of what goes on to happen. Christophe is narcissistic and sociopathic; he presented himself in a positive light and had the entire Cove fooled as to his true intentions but, as Jack was closest to him, he suffered the most for it. as Crispin says about them both: 

      With his strained relationship with Teague, Jack was hungry for approval and affirmation. Christophe appeared to the young Jack to be everything he admired -- wealthy, good sailing skills, excellent swordsman, well-dressed, good teeth, handsome and debonair. And Christophe, like most sociopaths, was looking for someone he could impress and ensnare, then victimize and abuse.

      [...] Christophe was Jack's buddy, obviously currying his favor and enjoying his company and the bit of hero-worship. That would suit a narcissist just fine, to have a smart, savvy young man like Jack tagging along as his sidekick in Shipwreck Cove. [x]

      whispers think Gaston and Lefou okay. now whether or not Crispin intended for subtext to be read into their exchanges of Jack ‘crushing’ on his best friend is debatable and probably unlikely, but given the sheer amount of references that we get from Jack’s POV concerning Christophe’s appearance and what we know about Jack being sexually ambiguous and attracted to both men and women, I don’t think it’s much of a leap to make the connection ( even despite the age gap ). also, with how blinded Jack is to Christophe’s faults -- that even after hearing about his appalling behaviour towards Marie and witnessing his pushiness with Esmeralda he still stands by his friend and refuses to believe that he would be capable of being a rogue pirate. this also speaks to just how loyal Jack can be ( and how much his loyalty has been used and abused over the years ), but that’s another topic entirely. as I said in that post, I don’t believe Jack was aware of exactly what he felt for Christophe -- whether it was a desire for a close friendship or more than that, whether he wanted to be Christophe or be with him -- but he certainly felt hurt enough after the man’s betrayal to be incredibly angry at him for it -- and angry at himself, too. 

       I continue to go back and forth on whether this confusion over his feelings for Christophe may have translated into a confusion in regards to his sexuality at that point in his life ( though I personally doubt it -- I think he may have been more confused over his romantic feelings rather than sexual feelings ), I’ve also noticed that Christophe absolutely fits Jack’s type when it comes to men ( aside from the sociopath thing lmfaoo ). he’s witty, charming, cocky, debonair and, while those are all traits that also apply to Jack, they are traits in guys that tend to appeal to Jack as well. so there’s a pattern here that fits. and Christophe’s subsequent betrayal only adds weight to Jack’s intense distrust of the male sex as a whole, too. Jack is bisexual but, while he absolutely adores women, he is hugely distrustful of men and you largely have the mutiny to thank for that.

      so, with this in mind, under the assumption that Jack would have been crushing on both Christophe and Esmeralda during the Shipwreck chapters of TPOF ( however unconscious that might have been in regard to Christophe ), Christophe’s decision to force himself in on his and Esmeralda’s meetings would have been incredibly confusing and difficult and isolating for Jack tbh. like I often wonder what Christophe’s motivations were for doing so and, while it’s obvious that part of it was simply his desire to seduce Esmeralda, I think another aspect of it could well have been to further control and isolate Jack in a more passive-aggressive way -- since it has always seemed to me to be very passive-aggressive. 

      Esmeralda states later on about how ‘distant’ Jack became once Christophe started coming with them on their trysts, and considering that he’d be watching the woman he was crushing on getting along seemingly -- since Jack really did believe that Esmeralda fancied Christophe at this point -- really well with the man who was his closest friend on Shipwreck AND who he was also unconsciously crushing on, he’d naturally begin to feel incredibly irrelevant and unwanted. I’ve never seen Jack as a particularly jealous sort of person and yet in TPOF he’s described as being ‘violently’ jealous of Christophe during these scenes and honestly I think this comes down to the fact that he’d be feeling extremely insecure on two fronts -- one on his position in Esmeralda’s affections, and the other being his position in Christophe’s affections, platonically or otherwise -- and that puts him in an incredibly vulnerable position to being further reliant and dependent on Christophe for his own sense of self-esteem and approval, and therefore it benefits the influence that Christophe has over him to mess around with Jack’s emotions in that way.

#ooc #;et tu brute? ( christophe de rapièr. ) #;depths few had ever begun to glimpse ( meta tag. ) #this is so loNG #but this is such a fascinating relationship to dig into honestly #and ever since I found crispin's comments matching up to what I'd always thought about jack and christophe I have a need to quote them #whenever I can lmfao #long post for ts #lottie writes too much for ts #*psyche #*sexuality #*the price of freedom