#van hoenheim

[fullmetalfears]

Hoenheim is one of my favorite characters in the OG FMA manga and Brotherhood. He made me love the sad immortal that hates themself trope, and in general I find the combination of failed father figure, gentle kind person, and the violence he accidently did to his people make for a dynamic character.

But I do 100% think FMA made the other characters far too quick to forgive Hoenheim for leaving the boys.

In the manga, it was directly said that Hoenheim wrote back home but in the anime you get NOTHING. Either way, the man left for a decade, during the most important period of his children's lives as children... because he felt like a monster. Not because he was actually doing things to his kids, but HE wanted to live like a human.

It's shitty. It's awful. One of the people that Ed and Al were supposed to rely on most left because he couldn't get over his own misery. Instead of waiting even a few years to make sure they could even take care of themselves better before leaving, he left before they could even really remember him at all.

I say this not because I don't think it was a good character decision. In fact I think it's tragic in a way that the series needs. The lack of clear lines between monsters and people, where one of Hoenheim's worst decisions is leaving his wife and kids, something that any person can do.

Hoenheim's real flaw when it comes to his family is not valuing that people want him to be there.

Which makes his final offer to Ed to sacrifice himself take on a different light.

In canon, the manga/anime make it clear that Ed calling Hoenheim a shitty father was meant to be as much Ed chastising Hoenheim for not understanding they won't use philosopher stones as it is an acknowledge that Ed accepts him as his father.

But to me, it shows that Hoenheim still hasn't learned why leaving was such an awful blow to the family. Yes, Trisha died because he wasn't there but even if he came back ten years later, did he still expect it to be from a loving family? Did Hoenheim expect the world to stand still while he left?

Hoenheim is still sacrificing himself after all this damn time. He still doesn't see that being there for his kids could invaluable. Maybe they grew up without him, and hell, maybe he doesn't deserve a second chance after so long, but for the boys, making sure you live to the next day is their entire philosophy. And Hoenheim, is willing to give that next day up.

In context, he's giving himself up for his boys after all this time of putting his own feelings first, but he would still be gone. What's worse, in Ed's perspective it's an impossible choice. If Ed couldn't have thought of another way to get Al back, Hoenheim basically offered Ed a chance to kill him in exchange for his brother.

You know. Killing. The one thing that Ed will not fucking do.

Hoenheim doesn't understand Ed. He also even after all this time doesn't get that living for them and to move forward would be the best thing he could do.

So yeah. I adore Hoenheim but the manga/anime kinda does a clumsy job with him. It does such a good job of setting Hoenheim up as looming negative premise in the beginning and then the story overcorrects in trying to make you like him that it forgets that, yeah, leaving your wife and kids for a decade is kinda bad actually!!!

It doesn't help that no one else is angry at Hoenheim. Izumi knew the boys as small children, presumably orphans and yet greets Hoenheim warmly. In the manga the people of Risembol are baffled on his arrival but otherwise move on. Pinako WHO BASICALLY HELPED RAISED THEM is just sorta neutral towards him. Even Al isn't angry. He just wants his dad back which is fine, but it leaves Ed's anger as an outlier, like it's childish of him not to understand.

By the time of his death, Hoenheim doesn't really learn anything. He's forgiven because he really was a good dude and he felt really bad about leaving for a decade so he can totally be forgiven by everyone right?

Right.

So yeah. Hoenheim? Great character, but awful dad which is part of why he's a good character but the story really pulls its punches about him.

~Luna

#fma #fma manga #fma:b #Hoenheim #van hoenheim

[royaigarbage]

Can a slave preach freedom?

Can a captive take hold…

… of what they believe in?

x

#hohenheim #and dwarf in the flask #their story is so fascinating to me #I love moral ambiguity #I also love #van hoenheim #lights my favorite fma fan #lights my beloved #hohenheim my beloved #I truly love him sm #sigh… #dwarf in the flask #fullmetal alchemist #fullmetal alchemist manga #lightsy

[girlpog-productions]

Late October 3rd post to practice my painting :)

#LOVE FROM THE OTHER SIDE IS SUCH A FMA SONG #EVERY LINE IS ABOUT EVERY CHARACTER ITS INSANE #god im so excited to see fob in march #full metal alchemist #october 3rd #fall out boy #so much for stardust #love from the other side #trisha elric #van hoenheim #hoenheim #art #my art #digital art

[itswynsome]

a couple good boys ft. takizawas emotional support academic rival

#seidou takizawa #akira mado #van hoenheim #fullmetal alchimist brotherhood #tokyo ghoul

[fma-a-day]

i guess this is like. canon divergent for the ending. idk lol [Image Description: Van Hoenheim looking extremely pleased with his '#1 USELESS DAD' Mug in hand. Edward asks Al if its "a little creepy how happy he is?". Al responds "Aw, Ed give him a break. It's his first Father's Day gift in years!" End ID.]

#described #edward elric #alphonse elric #van hohenheim #fullmetal alchemist #fullmetal alchemist brotherhood #fma #fmab #my art

[churchyardgrim]

thinking abt…. him <3

my bb boy Theophrastus Bombastus Van Hoenheim. local prettyboy wizard’s apprentice and possessor of the tightest pants one can legally buy. ask him about alchemy and arcane nerd shit and how to extract cyanide from cherry pits. ask him how he gets his hair so poofy and soft. do not under any circumstances ask him about where he came from. also maybe don’t ask if that fifteen syllable pileup is even his real name.

#theo #dnd #iron crown #chews on him gnaws on him he’s my favoritist most specialist little man #microwaves him :) puts him through the spin cycle :)

[edlingao3feed]

remember the time (when we fell in love)

kaethefanboy https://archiveofourown.org/works/55194625 by kaethefanboy Ling kneeled in front of the throne of King Hoenheim of Xerxes, asking for the eldest prince's hand in marriage. He couldn't help but look back and reflect on the events that led up to this fateful moment, and smile. Words: 2871, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Fandoms: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood & Manga Rating: Not Rated Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: M/M Characters: Edward Elric, Ling Yao, Alphonse Elric, Van Hohenheim, Greed (Fullmetal Alchemist), Izumi Curtis Relationships: Edward Elric/Ling Yao Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Royalty, Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence This post was automatically generated from an RSS feed of all new AO3 works tagged 'Edward Elric/Ling Yao'.

#edling #edward elric #ling yao #fullmetal alchemist #fma #fmab #IFTTT #ao3feed #fanfic #fic

[homuraakemis]

My Favorite Royai AMVs

(and a few non-Royai FMAB AMVs)

Royai

Royai // Antebellum by Hayaaaateuh

Happy Royai Day 6-11-2012 by G E M I K A N

「Royai」 bring you home; by LKJ Productions

Royai - So Cold {AMV OF THE YEAR 2012 BEST ROMANCE} by OnyxAMVs

RoyAi || Hurricane by CristeDeLune

Royai // Resistance by Hayaaaateuh

royai | when you move, i by fadingforya

Royai // What are we waiting for ? by Hayaaaateuh

Royai // Secrets vy Hayaaaateuh

Fix You Royai AMV by Meg Bate

Across the line [ Fmab, Royai AMV ] by Sondos Adel Hamza

Royai} Quiet by xXxNeverBeTheSamexXx

Need You Now- Royai by jackiedg86

Royai [Roy Mustang x Riza Hawkeye] - You and I by ssaboala

Roy Mustang & Riza Hawkeye — ♡ lovely | 𝐑𝐎𝐘𝐀𝐈 by Annelisa Rose

roy + riza | compass. by noxperpetua

Goodbye, My Almost Lover ¦ Roy & Riza [AMV] by BunnyBoo

Royai - Shot In The Dark AMV by Kingu Yasha

「ʀᴏʏᴀɪ」 Drowning in your heat [HD] by Kirei-chin

RoyAi [CRAZY IN LOVE] amv by Toy Soldier

ROYAI - INTO YOU (HD) by GoldenAlchemist

Royai // Crystalised by Hayaaaateuh

roy/riza // i found by xCartoonCarro

Roy & Riza : Have Mercy On Me (FMA Brotherhood) by Jessie Marie

End of History [Royai MMV] by SerenKyun

Roy Mustang & Riza Hawkeye | Somebody To Die For by hobbitfalva

Roy Mustang & Riza Hawkeye | My Blood by hobbitfalva

royai | please dont drive me blind. by LifeIsRandom14

in the name of love | ROY x RIZA by tomoekun777

love me like you do | ROY x RIZA by tomoekun777

[Re-Evo] To Hell & Back. by BioticAMVs

D O N ‘ T B L A M E M E - Royai short edit by Lauren Rogers

follow you | ROY x RIZA by tomoekun777

•heart by heart.| ROY + RIZA by tomoekun777

Watercolor - Roy/Riza by EscapingTheDarkness

Roy

FMAB - Roy Mustang // Colors by Shichiro42

•everything is blue. | ROY MUSTANG by tomoekun777

Roy Mustang「AMV」Play With Fire by LuxrayZekrom96

[AMV] Roy Mustang is so hot, he makes a dragon wanna retire by nathfairy

everybody loves roy! by morningeee

ROY | NIGHT. OF. THE. H U N T ER. by moved.

Roy Mustang | Play with Fire by hobbitfalva

WOMANIZER // Royai || RoyEd by Megane Chan

can you hear me now | ROY MUSTANG by tomoekun777

on my own | ROY MUSTANGᴹᴱᴾᵖᵃʳᵗ by tomoekun777

Riza

Riza Hawkeye - Stand in the Rain by KhmyhVKBII

Riza Hawkeye [ Russian Roulette ] by Lu

Riza Hawkeye | She's a Lady by LoveDatart58

Team Mustang

[Re-Evo] Team Mustbang. by BioticAMVs

Team Mustang by L.F.

Other FMAB AMVs

Van Hoenheim & Family - Photograph by Danish-Wolf

Violet Hill - Ishval by EarnestHumor

Laughing So Hard. ::((Mai Chang)):: by ShyestAngel

AMV - Тhе Αskіng Ρrіcе 720p by NeverEnoughEpicAMVs3

Fallin' For You [Alphonse X May Chang] by VioletSnow33

Back to You --Al&Mei by InuSouruFox

FMA: safe and sound (re-upload) by fadingforya

may chang - princess of xing 《 fmab amv 》 by sunset

woman | OLIVIER MIRA ARMSTRONGᴹᴱᴾᵖᵃʳᵗ by tomoekun777

#fma #fmab #royai #roy mustang #riza hawkeye #fma fanvid #my post.

[matt-the-radar-techncian]

With how things actually ended I think I am seriously thinking Steven not forgiven Rose at all feels like a subversion to the trope where the protagonist forgive their parent for their misdeeds and I think that has been quite been done a lot and Steven only acknowledging the bad of rose not forgiving her is a refresher or something even if it kind of rubs some people the wrong way because it's unfair or it feels kind of weird after seeing different characters from other Media be forgiven or a kind of a slap on the wrist for worse things they did to everyone that's makes Rose kind of look like a saint.

But then again it goes back to her being dead and the other characters in question are alive or the way their backstories and what they went through are told view them in a sympathetic light. The only other character who I can think were the protagonist ends up hating their parent is Eren Yeager with his dad Grisha Yaeger from attack on Titan with Eren not saying anything nice about his father when talking to Zeke in the memories and making him kill the Royal family but I think that's probably extremely complicated right there because of the fact Grisha didn't want to kill the younger royal family members as well living behind the Walls changed him and Eren hated his father showing Mercy to the people who don't give a damn about their people who been demonize so heavily to the point where the entire world thinks that they are devils on Earth because of what their ancestors did. Basically the sins of the ancestors (which is kind of like what happened with Rose and her decisions affecting everyone? I don't know about this comparison but I guess it's interesting) and it's kill or be killed.

The idea that Steven not completely "forgiving" his mom and still having some negative feelings regarding her at the end of the story actually being a subversion and not just lazy or bad writing isn't one I've seen a lot, but it does make a lot of sense. It strikes me as something the showrunners might've done to make the story seem more grounded and realistic, since not everyone is just gonna be completely fine with everything a dead parent left them with, especially if it's someone who's been through as much as Steven has

And it's funny you mention Attack on Titan here since I've actually talked about Eren and his father while comparing them to Rose's story once before. The biggest difference for this discussion is that the story never really involves Eren "forgiving" his father at all. He doesn't particularly blame Grisha for everything that has happened to him in his life, it's more that he just thinks that the state of the entire world is fundamentally wrong and can't be saved, so the only choice he sees is to kill everyone else. The scene of Eren telling his father to kill the royal family isn't out of hatred for his father or a desire to traumatize him; the royal family has to be killed in order for events to happen the way Eren has forseen them (using Attack Titan's power to see the future). It's left ambiguous whether the future events can be changed or are predestined to happen but that's not really the point

The situation with Rose and Steven is somewhat different than that of a lot of other well-known dead/absent fathers in anime. A lot of times its either you start off thinking they're bad but they turn out to actually be pretty sympathetic (Grisha from Attack on Titan, van Hoenheim from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood) or even worse than you thought (Gendo Ikari from Evangelion, Charles zi Britannia from Code Geass). Meanwhile, Rose is originally introduced as loving and flawless, but soon we (and Steven) see that she's not as perfect as we thought and did some questionable things in the past. But the difference is Rose isn't around anymore to right any of those wrongs, and Steven and the other characters are the ones who have to deal with what she left behind (Steven says exactly this to the fake Rose in the episode "Storm in the Room"). And since Rose can't do anything to solve the problems of the present, (and wasn't given more screentime in flashbacks to explore her morals) people (wrongly!) assume that the show is saying that she was totally in the wrong (which it isn't)

#steven universe #su #rose quartz #suf #steven universe future #attack on titan #aot

[noragottem]

im sorry van hoenheim was so wrong for coming back to resemol like “wheres my house” but god was that funny

[stinkybreath]

best moments so far in fmab

-winry finally admitting to herself that she is in love w ed

-shortly after van hoenheim tells al his story and he’s assuming he wants nothing to do with him and then al waves at him and yells “hey dad!”

-the Pride reveal

-when mustang is putting feelers out for the resistance and Raven is like “the fuhrer is a homunculus? You’ll have to tell that joke at the meeting!” and then the fuhrer is in the fucking room

-Mei swooning over the brothers

-every time someone refers to Xiao-Mei as a weird cat

-Lan Fan’s triumphant return

-when Pride fucking eats a crying and pleading Gluttony

#fmab

[royaigarbage]

fullmetal alchemist - maison (dreamcatcher)

#wow look at me go #i made something!! #this song gives me chills #and so does fma #SO HERE WE ARE #dreamcatcher #dreamcatcher maison #fullmetal alchemist edit #fullmetal alchemist brotherhood #royaigarbage #fma #fullmetalalchemist #van hoenheim

[arndaalhq]

Arndaal is Requesting

Fullmetal Alchemist

Roy Mustang

Jean Havoc

Edward Elric

Alphonse Elric

Winry Rockbell

Kaine Fuery

Vato Falman

Lust

Wrath

Envy

Pride

Greed

Ling

Olivier Armstrong

Alex Armstrong

Scar

May Cheng

Van Hoenheim

Gluttony

Sloth

Izumi Curtis

Sig Curtis

#arndaal requests #discord mfrp #discord panfandom #discord roleplay #discord rp #mfrp #multifandom roleplay #panfandom rp #fullmetal alchemist #fma rp #fma roleplay

[justafaller]

Ok but honestly, what was stopping Hoenheim from taking Trisha and the kids with him on his travels?? Like I know it would be a little unstable for them to never have a permanent home, but Ed and Al would meet so many friends in different places and Trisha would have charmed everyone and exchanged recipes everywhere she went. It would just be one big ol camping trip. From what we see, Hoenheim is just placing the souls of his people, he’s not actively being tracked or hunted down so his family would be safe. Hoenheim is also smart enough to homeschool Ed and Al by himself, and he could teach them how to take down a homunculus just in case they are ever in danger. And if they were all together and traveling, they may avoid the illness that killed Trisha (or Hoenheim could at least save her this time). Man I don’t know, it would have been a lot of moving around, but they would have been together. They would have been a family🥲

#no offense but Hoenheim is just dramatic as hell #it has to be me doing this alone 😔 #says who fool #fmab #fma #edward elric #alphonse elric #van hoenheim #Trisha Elric #beck talks

[fma-a-day]

Really love your art, it's really cute

Could i suggest drawing hoenheim as the pope, because im still not over the fact that jesus is canon in 03' fma

thank u so much! but also. WAHT? HES WHAT?

[Image Description: Van Hohenheim as the pope. Dwarf in the Flask is at the top of his staff. End ID.]

#described #my art #van hohenheim #asks #fmab #fma:b #fma #did this real quick before school

[brennacedria]

Thought: Hero of Ferelden, post-Awakening/DA2, gradually becomes more and more like Van Hoenheim in their search for a cure to the Calling.

#dragon age #Fullmetal Alchemist #Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood #Van Hoenheim #Hero of Ferelden #I was toying with the idea of having my Elissa gradually corrupt like Clarel did #but going Hoenheim could be bad too #I guess it depends on if I want a chance at giving her a happy ending after hypothetically finding that cure #if she survives either option