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santmat · 5 months

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John the Baptist's Wilderness Vegetarian Diet Explained - Spiritual Awakening Radio Podcast

Not A Caveman Fixated on Bugs and Bees After All: John the Baptist's Wilderness Vegetarian Diet - Locust Beans Not Bugs - An Exploration of Early Christian Writings and Scholarly Texts Today on This Spiritual Awakening Radio Podcast.

Nevermind the old Sunday school notion of John the Baptist being some weird caveman dude dining on bugs! John may have a tarnished caveman reputation of eating locusts and honey out in the wild, but this is really a story about copyists mistranslating a Greek word as "locust" ('a-k-r-i-d-e-s') instead of "carob" ('e-g-k-r-i-d-e-s'). (Henry Ford: "Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty. Anyone who keeps learning stays young." Albert Einstein: "Intellectual growth should commence at birth and cease only at death.")

Since my original research on this topic, a couple more early Christian apocryphal writings have come to light, have been made available in English. These add to the surprisingly large collection of vegetarian references in early Christian writings regarding the diet of John the Baptist. New Testament Apocrypha, Vol. III, by Tony Burke was published and some John the Baptist books are included. In one of the earlier volumes there was a John the Baptist text made available for the first time in English that has a vegetarian passage regarding John's diet in the wilderness. Included in the third volume are, The Birth of Holy John the Forerunner, and, The Decapitation of John the Forerunner, both containing plant-based passages about John's diet consisting of "locusts from the tree" (in the Middle east called "the Saint John's Tree", and "Carob Tree") and "wild honey", also "an abundance of bread and wild honey dripping from a rock". Clearly there was an understanding in early Christianity that this was referring to locust beans (carob pods), not insects. Carob pods do look a bit like locusts hanging from tree branches, hence the name. Locust beans can be ground up and used to make a kind of Middle eastern carob flour flat bread. There's a "cakes dipped in honey" reference in the Gospel of the Ebionites. The wild "honey" was not from bees but sticky desert fruit of some kind. So, as you'll hear being documented during this pod...cast, there are all these plant-based references to John's diet coming from many different sources, and scholars have noticed and discussed these: "Probably the most interesting of the changes from the familiar New Testament accounts of Jesus comes in the Gospel of the Ebionites description of John the Baptist, who, evidently, like his successor Jesus, maintained a strictly vegetarian cuisine." (Professor Bart Ehrman, Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew) "His [John the Baptist's] food was wild honey that tasted like manna, like a cake cooked in olive oil." (The Other Gospels, Accounts of Jesus from Outside the New Testament, by Bart Ehrman)

John the Baptist was a prophet with large number of followers in Israel and Transjordan regions. After his passing, several of his successors headed what became various rival Nasoraean (Nazorean) sects, one of those being Jesus and the Jesus movement. "Again Jesus said to his disciples: Truly I say to you, among all those born of women none has arisen greater than John the Baptizer." (Matthew 11:11, George Howard's translation of Shem-Tob's Hebrew Gospel of Matthew, described as "the oldest extant Hebrew version of the Gospel of Matthew")

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sky-daddy-hates-me · 10 months

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Weird ramble ahead, but vegan and vegetarian Christians confuse me so much. Like, didn't your god literally favour the animal sacrifices of Able over the vegan options provided by Caine?

Also , didn't your god demand animal sacrifices because he found the aroma pleasing?

Didn't he literally sacrifice an innocent sheep/goat just so Abraham wouldn't actually kill his own son because god asked him to?

Didn't he kill hundreds of innocent horses in the red sea because they were being used by the Egyptians to pursue moses?

Didn't your god wipe out almost every single animal on the planet because the humans were being a bit too rebellious for his liking?

Didn't he have his followers paint their door frames in lambs blood so an angel wouldn't kill them?

Didn't he give the Israelites quails to eat when they bitched about the vegan manna?

Your god has killed far more animals than me, so please leave me and my food alone.

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cardigansbell · 6 months

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santmat · 8 months

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The Vegetarian Christians of Early Christianity - Spiritual Awakening Radio Podcast

One thing that might be rather surprising to most people that can be learned by doing a study of the gospels, acts and other literature of the Hebrew Christians -- the Ebionites -- the Christianity that Existed Before Paul -- is that, rather than some imagined Sunday school notion of a fish market in the village of Galilee being operated by the disciples of Jesus, there is significant evidence that the Original Jesus Movement and well-known apostles became vegetarians. And furthermore, this vegetarianism of the disciples and Jesus Movement is fairly widely known and mentioned by the early church fathers. It's not that this information is coming from recently discovered writings dug up in the Middle East. Rather, these are old texts that have been with us since the early days of Christianity but didn't seem all that meaningful and significant to a pro-meat carnistic population. Vegetarians however would indeed be most interested finding this out! (Peace be to you)

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"Jacobus [James], the brother of Jesus, lived of seeds and vegetables and did not accept meat or wine." (Saint Augustine)

"The consumption of animal flesh was unknown up until the great flood. But since the great flood, we have had animal flesh stuffed into our mouths. Jesus, the Christ, who appeared when the time was fulfilled, again joined the end to the beginning, so that we are now no longer allowed to eat animal flesh." (pro-vegetarian early church father Hieronymus [St. Jerome] who apparently read the Gospel of the Hebrews and was influenced by Ebionite views)

"Sacrifices were invented by men to be a pretext for eating flesh." (Clement of Alexandria)

"The steam of meat meals darkens the spirit. One can hardly have virtue if one enjoys meat meals and feasts. In the earthly paradise [Eden], no one sacrificed animals, and no one ate meat." (Saint Basil the Great)

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acti-veg · 6 months

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how can we respond to "Romans 14:2-3 tells us, “One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables." ?

Well, most of us can pretty much just respond with: ‘Okay? I’m not a Christian, and neither are the animals you’re eating.’ I do eat only vegetables and my faith isn’t just weak, it’s non-existent. This passage is irrelevant to anyone who doesn’t believe in the moral authority of the Bible, and even for those who do, it’s hardly a good ethical argument.

People interpret scripture in ways that are useful and meaningful for them, which is completely fine, but what someone may happen to believe a man wrote 2000 years ago and how much they believe in those words gives them absolutely zero right to harm anyone else. They can believe in the Bible all they want, but it doesn’t give them the right to enforce those beliefs on anyone else, or kill someone on the basis that ‘Paul said it’s fine.’

Paul is also fairly obviously not offering a moral defence for eating factory farmed, industrially slaughtered animals in the 21st century. Paul is writing a letter that certainly isn’t intended to be any sort of reflection on animal rights. I’m not going to go on into the various interpretations of that passage, but suffice to say that if this line were a moral argument in favour of eating animals it would be jarringly out of place in the context of the rest of that letter. That should be pretty obvious on reading it even if you don’t have much scriptural literacy.

Even if it were, things change, society changes, and religion has always changed with it. The Old Testament was often quoted by pro-slavery polemicists, for example, as it was by those opposing women’s suffrage. It is still quoted as a way to justify homophobia today. Do we really want to treat every word of the Bible as an unchanging, infallible moral law, despite the fact that it is made up of many books, written at different times and by different people, all of them being fallible mortals who were very much a product of their time?

More fundamentally, why should the rest of us have to answer to or even respond to scripture we don’t believe in? We don’t live in a theocracy, and the Bible is not a universal moral law applying to all peoples. I mean, how do you think the Christians making this argument would respond if I told them that they were not allowed to call Jesus divine because in the Guru Granth Sahib, Guru Arjant warned us to ‘call no man God’? I don’t imagine they’d find that any more convincing than I find this.

The biggest question for them to answer though, is why an animal’s life should be forfeit because of their spiritual beliefs. Their right to practice their religion is important, but it is not so important that it can take away someone else’s right to live free from exploitation and harm. Religious freedom is not unique compared with any other kind of freedom; it has to be balanced with the competing rights and freedoms of other parties, and doesn’t automatically override everything else. ‘My religion says X therefore I am allowed to harm Y’ should be dismissed as the obviously self-serving nonsense that it is.

#ask #vegan #religion #Christianity #the bible

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vegan-heterotroph · 9 months

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Shout out to religious vegans. Not only do a majority of you experience criticism for being vegan from your religious community, but also flak from other vegans for being religious. I support you.

#No antireligion or antivegan here #As long as no one is hurting anyone who cares #White veganism perhaps?#It may not be directed at a specific person but I've seen a lot of raging atheist vegans posts #I understand disliking Christianity because of its harmful past but bringing other religions into makes me upset #I'm Christian myself but don't want to see Muslims and Jews attakced even online #Based on what I've seen and heard online

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theprayingteacher · 4 months

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