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thebatcreature · 2 years
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One of my favorite.. well, our favorite Dick and Damian moments in comics
Aslo commissions are open :)
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xxkiller-muffinxx · 4 months
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THAT FLOYD ONESHOT WAS SO GOOD‼️‼️ I'd love to see a part 2 for it!^^
(If you want to btw-)
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As long as we're together
Floyd x reader (Part 1) (part 2) (part 3)
Summary: after a long while of being reconnected with your favorite brozone member. You make plenty of sweet familiar memories, however a line is crossed when a familiar popstar duo enters the picture.
Words: 1475
Warnings: Implied death, angst, another semi-cliffhanger
A/N: I don't know why I wrote these so fast, but maybe it's because I stopped worrying about tiny details and just went with the flow. I don't think I got Velvet and Veneers personalities perfect but I just felt like their scene fit their dynamic as best as possible. Genuinely appreciate the support on the last part, your guy’s positive feedback gives me life. Stay golden and enjoy! Ps. Velvet and Veneer are the same color but I tried to make it clear who was talking in the writing, thank you!
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You remember the first week you two were together. So fondly. Back to back in your prisons and humming each other's favorite song. No matter how embarrassing.
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It's been quiet for a few hours, you're both recovering from the last concert and are giving each other time to process. When suddenly Floyd begins humming quietly. You look at him and raise an eyebrow.
He returns your eye contact and smiles warmly. He then whispers. “Don't you…forget about me.” He would quietly sing. He continued mumbling the words until you would join in, but instead with one of his songs.
“Lately I've been, I've been losing sleep. Dreaming about the things that we could be.” You placed a hand on the glass as your voices began to wrap around one another. Creating a symphony unlike anything else. It reminded you that sometimes just singing matters more than any perfect note.
The two of you continued until you couldn't anymore. You tried to keep humming but you threw yourself into a coughing fit. Floyd immediately stopped singing and looked at you. “Hey hey, it's okay. You don't have to.” he comforted, instinctively reaching out a hand for your shoulder but being stopped by the barrier between you two.
“I'm okay. I'm okay,” you responded, despite the deep pain in your chest. You sat up and leaned on the glass. “Can we still talk?” You asked. Then Floyd nodded.
“So mount rageous? Pretty cool huh?” he started the conversation, but you only snorted at his sad excuse for a conversation topic.
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In a similar regard. You remember him telling you about his brothers. You were getting a bit too overhyped over all of them though. Even if you loved every other brother, you had to remind him who the best of them was.
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“Then there's Spruce-”
“The heartthrob!”
“Yeah him. He was nice, I didn't like how much he butted heads with John though. I just wish I could see them again,” He looked at his hands, gripping the air as if it were life support. You frowned. Leaning into the glass.
You didn't know how to comfort him, at this point, you were both pretty pessimistic. So saying anything optimistic would have the opposite effect. So you decided to keep talking instead.
“Yeah, spruce was pretty cool, but did you go to the last Brozone concert?” You said, utterly messing with him at that point.
“Wait what?” He asked as he glanced back at you.
“It was so good! I mean the pyrotechnics, the colors, ugh! The music! Don't get me started on the music!” you did your best to stand up and did an excited spin. Floyd followed.
“Woah hey, slow down.” he placed both hands on the glass and his eyebrows creased with worry.
“Though there was something I could never get over. Something that always irked me.” You stumbled back into the purple surrounding you, looking into Floyd’s eyes. He frowned and looked down. Seeming to already know what you’re going to say. However, you hit him with a curveball. “There wasn’t enough of that sensitive troll…what was his name again?”
He shook his head and said your name once. “What are you talking about?”
“He had pink hair, he was almost the youngest but Bitty B was too quick.”
He laughed and shook his head. “Bitty B was the star of the show honestly.”
You laughed and leaned your forehead toward him, he did the same. Your eyes met and you grinned. “He was the cutest troll and my favorite. No other brother could beat him.”
His cheeks turned red instantaneously, causing him to turn away. you couldn’t stop yourself from laughing. Which threw you into yet another coughing fit, Floyd was at your side quickly. Checking up on you to make sure you weren’t gone yet.
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Those moments, even if short. Meant the world to you. Now the boundary was crossed. Neither of you had much strength to talk or sing together anymore. To you went with compatible silence. That is until Velvet and Veneer took matters into their own hands.
You were in your usual spot when suddenly, Velvet stormed in. She was in hysterics, absolutely appalled by her performance. “I can't believe that happened!” she shrieked, kicking a shoe into a wall. Veneer came in right behind her.
“It's fine! One voice crack never ruined anyone's career! Woah!” Veneer dodged another shoe and hid behind a mirror just in case. Velvet wasn't having any of it though, she was completely thrown off course.
She stomped to the desk and swiped up the perfume bottle you were inside. “I don't care if it was one voice crack or five! I can't mess up like that in front of the world!” she growled and was prepared to throw you across the room. Before she stopped. She looked at you and smiled. “I just need more troll. That's all.”
She grinned, pulling the bottle to her neck and beginning to spray all around her. Veneer came from behind the mirror and put out a hand. “Hey, maybe we should ration those little guys, don't know how many trolls we're going to need, you know?” He tried reasoning.
Floyd looked up at Velvet and watched in horror as she sprayed as much of the music onto her as she could. There was nothing he could do. Velvet laughed in her insanity. Glancing at Veneer she made sure she was covered head to toe. “We won't need much more Veneer! If I nail this performance we’ll be made! I promise!”
Veneer shook his head and walked closer. When Velvet suddenly sprayed him in the face. “And face it. You love the attention as much as I do.” She hissed. Then once she was calm she slammed you back down onto the desk and left you alone. “Okay, now…I'm ready!” She was going to leave but Veneer stopped her. He pointed at your bottle and gulped. Velvet turned to look at you.
You were spent, your hair all white and your skin turning an entirely different shade. You were dying, and you were dying fast. Floyd dropped to his knees and whispered your name multiple times as if it would be the last thing he uttered. “Please be okay, please hold on for a bit longer.” He begged,
Then as soon as you were down, you were up again. Velvet groaned and handed Veneer the bottle. “You handle it. I have to get ready.” She said before leaving him alone in the room. Veneer grimaced as he watched her go. Then grimaced even more when he realized his duty.
Floyd banged on the glass. Trying to break it open to no avail. Veneer looked at Floyd. “Geez, you're making this harder. If I don't do this you know what Velvet will do.” He knelt down to Floyd’s level. Veneer’s eyes pleading for understanding.
Floyd shakes his head. “you don't have to do this, Veneer just let us go! Please, I'm begging you.” Floyd pushes hard on the glass, looking up into his eyes. Veneer, on the brink of being moved, stands up and looks at your nearly lifeless form.
Before he could respond, Velvet rips the diamond out of his hand. “What are you doing? I told you to deal with it. Not stand around playing with it.” She looked around and crossed her arms. “Ugh I always have to do everything. Hope you like flying.” she says, walking to the nearest window and opening it.
Veneer cringed at the notion, sitting down and looking away from her. Floyd began panicking more trying to get out more than ever, but of course. It wasn't working. He needed the perfect family harmony.
Without much of a second thought. Velvet threw you out of the window. Watching you fall and then dusting her hands off. She looked at Veneer. “Well? We have a show to put on. We have to get ready! Come on!” She walked out, leaving Veneer with Floyd. Veneer looked down at the troll and was going to comfort him when he decided, it probably wasn't for the best.
Veneer left, leaving Floyd all alone. Floyd was looking out the window. Thinking about you, thinking about all the fun you had in your worst situation, and he realized it was false hope. Being with you for the rest of your lives. He then realized there was no platonic explanation for his feelings.
He had loved you, but he didn't know it until you were gone.
Pt 3?
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bigblueoctoling · 1 month
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Thoughts about Suffer No Fools/Deep Cut in general
I really dislike this whole 'shiver and frye mistreat Big Man' plotline they seem to be making with deep cut. Like, from the start they've set up that Shiver and Frye don't really appreciate Big Man, but outright having their own duo group without him just kind of feels needlessly petty. Like maybe I'm looking into this too hard, but it's also, literally the only thing one is capable of looking into with Deep Cut's canonical information. Like... Big Man is already working at a disadvantage of being a male idol who isn't humanoid, it feels kind of pointlessly cruel to pit him alone against Shiver and Frye. And it's not like Shiver or Frye are any better for it.
They keep focusing on this one trait, the fact that Shiver and Frye are very very hostile to non-splatlandians. I would love to actually enjoy Shiver and Frye being openly aggressive, that's unique for an idol's personality, but rather than feeling tough, they just feel pathetic, trying way way way too hard to look intimidating.
Again, this isn't necessarily the fault of any particular writing of Deep Cut, but rather the complete and utter lack of any meaningful lore about them.
The squid sisters are hard-carried in the personality department; they get the entirety of Splatoon 1, 2, and 3's story mode to show off their personalities.
Off the Hook started out less interesting than the Squid Sisters, since they had to rely on newscasts, but even before Octo Expansion, the fact that Marina was an Octarian was an obvious huge deal from the moment she was revealed, with the splatfests revealing the gravity of Marina's abilities. Of course, then Octo Expansion happened- Octo Expansion feels very directly like it was created for the express purpose of fleshing out Pearl and Marina to make up for them not being in the main story mode. And of course we have Side Order that just doubles down on developing them.
Deep Cut's inclusion in Splatoon 3's story is just like. The most obligatory presence possible. Somehow, despite having direct boss fights, they leave absolutely zero impact whatsoever- it doesn't help that they don't sing their boss music, but they're also just there for no reason to steal "Treasures"- completely nondescript objects of no apparent value whatsoever that have no particular meaning to Deep Cut. No elaboration is given as to why Deep Cut wants this treasure in particular- Alterna is fucking littered with human technology that's infinitely more valuable than a bunch of random metal scraps. There are giant 3D printers just sitting around. And their dialogue is just... complete nothing. As stock as possible, there's nothing to gleam about any of their relationships from anything. Like...
A small aside: The reason why Squid Sisters and Off the Hook are such interesting groups is because of their group dynamic. Callie and Marie have a very deep bond that gets tested and validated after their separation, and Pearl and Marina are just a perfect duo. I'm not even a big shipper type of person but their relationship is so wonderful to see. But what even is Deep Cut's relationship? They're friends? With the way Shiver and Frye treat Big Man it feels like their entire relationship is pure business, and it's honestly more depressing than anything else.
Anyways, getting back to Deep Cut in the story mode, they say one unique piece of information about them- that they do this to help people who are suffering.
This is a fantastic direction to take Deep Cut, and would make their hostility towards inkopolis feel much more cathartic and justified.
They literally never mention it again or elaborate on it any further. Why? What are they even referring to? Poverty? Octarian oppression? General social imbalance?
The lack of elaboration about why Shiver and Frye are so prideful and so hostile, and what sort of suffering they care about, really stands out to me in Suffer No Fools.
Suffer No Fools feels like Shiver and Frye just aimlessly attacking strangers they're completely out of their depth with. The only thing we know Shiver and Frye care about is helping the misfortunate.
With that being the case, Off The Hook are literally the last people on the entire planet you should want to start beef with, even if it's just play-fighting- and in realizing this, I've realized something else about Off The Hook and Deep Cut:
Off The Hook already fills Deep Cut's niche.
Like... Pearl and Marina are the perfect duo in terms of representing social progress. Marina obviously has a very personal reason to care about impoverished octarians- she was one of them, she fought to get to the surface. Pearl, on the other hand, is the perfect emblem of an inkling, extremely privileged due to being born into great generational wealth. However, after meeting Marina, Pearl decided to put her all into using her privilege to elevate Marina's voice as much as possible. And, in doing this, creating Off the Hook, they have had a very real, tangible impact on the acceptance of Octarians on the surface. And this isn't even touching on Octo Expansion- they go out of their way to save Eight, of course, but since then, Marina put her everything into figuring out a way to save the sanitized octarians stranded in Kamabo Co.
Meanwhile, Deep Cut's actual contributions are left entirely unelaborated and unspecified. No known efforts to figure out anything about the Mammalian octarians, literally not a word spared about them.
What the fuck do they have to be proud for? What have they ever done for anyone? All I see are some stuck up egomaniacs who have no respect for anyone who isn't an asset in getting them more money. It honestly feels less like Shiver and Frye are these charitable robin hood figures and more like that was a lie to cover their asses.
...And, of course, I expect this to change in the next Splatoon game. It would be unthinkable for Deep Cut to just have no relevance again after getting nothing in this game. This is a very pessimistic outlook on Deep Cut. But they've given me absolutely nothing to work with, it's difficult to think that characters are good people if you only ever show them being unjustifiably hostile and greedy.
It just sucks. Shiver and Frye are my favorite idol designs, but they're constantly made out to be so fucking lame, and not even in an "underdog group of failures that cares about eachother" sort of way because EVERY DEEP CUT THING HAS TO BE THEMED ABOUT HOW DEEP CUT HATES BIG MAN AND EVERYONE ELSE.
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not-goldy · 7 months
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Heyy! just found your acc and I am absolutely loving it here. idk if you'll read or reply to this but im writing this just because im kinda disheartened seeing some of these jikooker's behaviour. like i get it, we should always be open to the possibility of jikook being in a relationship with someone else but to see them dropping jikook in a matter of seconds after one shady grainy video drops is just... some are still adamant that jungkook does infact have a girlfriend. I've been seeing so many "jikook broke up", "jikook just bros", "jikook poly", "jikook were just fck buddies" it feels like these jikookers are just heavily insecure and somewhat believe certain taekookers' theories as they've been going off about how jikook haven't been close in 2023 and they are no longer 'glued together' just because we don't see it.
its like they were just ready to drop jikook and found this video issue to be the perfect opportunity lol....i honestly don't know where im going with this dkdkdjflkdjf but yeah. i dont think it was jungkook in that video (pretty obvious if you ask me) and I'll keep supporting jikook. jikook's bond is so different than all the other duos in bts and them not dating would be more shocking than them dating each other. ig these jikookers don't wanna act how taekookers did in the whole taennie situation but that's the thing this jungkook thing is in NO way similar to the taennie proofs we got. we got HD pictures and saw their managers in their video ffs.
also the acc that posted that video on weibo went on to post a clearly fake edited video of "jungkook" roaming around his apartment when asked why don't they have more videos of jungkook if they had so much access to jungkook's apartment, and had their lie get debunked so yeah. mindless rant over i guess. JIKOOK FOREVER.BTS FOREVER.
I almost logged out but since you love it here I love it here too🤭
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You see right there- even if it was Jungkook in that video it is not conclusive of anything. It's just back hug. Looks like a younger boy worrying his Noona to me and if it wasn't then we need to talk about a little things called consent. Sis looked like she could use her personal space.
Besides, if it were him, nothing special there. He does that with every one. Almost all BTS members. I remember a video of Jimin asking him what he was doing clinging onto him behind him.
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He did it with the tattoo girl and said there was nothing between them. How could this have been any different?
I feel people aren't used to seeing him interact with girls that much so they get uncomfortable getting glimpses of him around girls.
They will tell you he is the handsiest member of bts but then turn around and act flabbergasted when he gets handsy with anyone that's not their bias.
I'm glad he put those fake rumors to rest.
If that video was him that would have amounted to some heavy charges cos why we peeping at people's homes with cameras 🥲
The creepy things obsessed fans do and the lengths they go to give me chills. No respect for his privacy whatsoever.
He has friends other than jimin. He has FEMALE FRIENDS as well. People need to get used to that fact and stop acting like a disturbed beehive whenever the topic comes up.
He has female friends cousins acquaintances dancers assistants etc and he has a unique dynamic with each.
The entire Fandom needs to grow up.
For now I'm just embarrassed for them. Imagine cooking up a lie that didn't even take 2 secs to be shut down. The audacity they had to come into our dms trying to convince us we are making excuses for him and not accepting facts meanwhile the delulu ones were them all along.
And they seem to forget some of us are part of the groups they meet at to cook up these elaborate narratives just to stirr up shit. They dumb as fuck.
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Why do you ship EddEddy when in canon we have the very harmonic friendship of Eds? What's interesting about the dynamic between Edd and Eddy, if Ed isn't there, it's pretty boring without him.
I'll talk about this in much more detail after I rewatch the show a few more times and make my video talking about EddEddy, BUT here's some of what I have to say about it:
Yes! I agree that they have a very harmonious friendship, all of them together. They're soulmates and they love each other very much. I really envy what they have because it's something so perfect and beautiful. The show is about Ed, Edd and Eddy, but I think it's very clear that:
1) Eddy's the main character
2) The show focuses more on his relationship with Double D, especially from season 5 onwards
They work well both as the three together and as separate duos too. Each duo has a different dynamic, and from my perspective, Double D and Eddy have a dynamic that involves mutual romantic feelings (that they're not yet aware of), which I don't see between Ed and Double D or Ed and Eddy. To be more clear, it seems to me that Ed has or may have a crush on Double D and Eddy (there are a number of scenes that indicate this), but I don't see them reciprocating, feeling the same way about him. And believe me, I really wanted to ship them. I love polyamorous relationships (Anne, Sasha and Marcy from Amphibia are a great example, I think the three of them have a clear interest in each other), I love edt3 fanarts, I think they're cute together, BUT I just can't see them working together as a polyamorous couple because I don't see Double D or Eddy being romantically interested in Ed at any point of the show or even in the future because it doesn't seem to be heading in that direction (I think that in Big Picture Show it even becomes a little uncomfortable how much Eddy specifically refers to Double D even when Ed is with them, which already happened in other moments of the show (and Double D specifically referring to Eddy as well) and intensified in the movie, but it's another factor that seems to indicate how emotionally close the two are, in a way beyond friendship...).
I want to make it clear that I disagree with the view that romance is more important than friendship. I don't think boyfriends/girlfriends/romantic partners or love interests are above friends, they're just different equally important dynamics. When I talk about this, I don't mean in any way that Double D and Eddy's relationship is better or more important, or that Ed is less important to them or less loved by them, they're just relationships and feelings with different natures and ways of functioning. So please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Double and Eddy like each other more than they like Ed, I'm just saying they have a different dynamic and type of relationship, and different types of relationship usually mean different ways of interacting, and usually romantic relationships imply on more intimacy (both physical and emotional), and that's what I see happening with Double D and Eddy. There are certainly things in the relationship between Ed and Double D that Double D doesn't or can't have with Eddy, and things in the relationship between Ed and Eddy that Eddy doesn't or can't have with Double D. As I said, each duo has their own dynamic, their own unique and exclusive specificities that they can't get with their other duo, and all three love each other deeply and equally, just in different ways. That's all.
To me, Double D and Ed's relationship follows more of a mother-son dynamic (sometimes brotherly too), and Ed and Eddy have a more brotherly dynamic (@gettingfrilly made a really good post talking about it in more detail, about how Eddy's like a younger brother to Ed because he's very much like Sarah but unlike her he shows that he likes Ed and has fun with him, and how Ed's like the supportive and affectionate big brother that Eddy didn't have). I think the show makes it very clear that Double D and Eddy are supposed to have a couple dynamic, whether as a joke/comic relief or in a serious way. It's very visible to me that their relationship is supposed to give this huge old married couple who always disagree and fight energy, and even Ed often seems to look at them as if he's finding their excessive closeness strange, either shipping them or wanting to participate too.
Someone pointed it out already, but I think it's very relevant to note that the only times Eddy cries throughout the entire show is because of or related to Double D (I'm talking about emotional crying, not crying from physical pain). @gettingfrilly also made another post that I really like and completely agree with about Eddy and empathy. I recommend reading it. Anyway, Eddy's not a very emotional character at all because as we know, he's always trying to repress the feelings that make him "fragile" and to imitate his brother. He tries to act cool, to be superior and better than everyone, to be very manly, so he can't cry, he can't be a sissy, he can't be sensitive, vulnerable and emotional, he has to be tough, he has to be a man, he has to be unbreakable and unbeatable, he has to be self-centered, he can't be compassionate, empathetic and caring, and I personally think that in the end, whether we like it or not, he ends up absorbing all of this into his personality because that's how he was raised and conditioned from a very early age, and that's how he coped with it, so being self-centered and feeling uncomfortable dealing with and showing these types of emotions is now part of Eddy's personality, even though he doesn't feel good about being that way. He's spent most of his life having this distorted perception that acting like this is the normal way to be and treat others, that acting like this is "cool" because it's how his beloved, precious brother acted, so it's very complicated for Eddy to deconstruct this within himself now, and in fact it's already a bit late to actually change this because his personality has already been shaped and built, and all he can do now is remind himself to be more sensitive and care more about others. Being kind and empathetic is not something that comes naturally or easily to him, but rather a task he needs to rationalize and remember to do, and even in the few moments when he shows that he at least cares about Ed and Double D, his way of expressing affection usually comes in the form of practical actions rather than affectionate words, so sometimes it can seem like he doesn't care when he actually does, or that he has a very cold, insensitive and crude way of showing affection. It's necessary to teach him the way friends act toward each other, teach him about acting with affection and love. He needs people, most of the time Double D, to tell him how and why what he did is bad and harmful to others, but there are many moments when you can see a genuine effort on his part to try to understand, improve and show that it wasn't his intention to cause any harm, after all, this only makes others dislike him, and he doesn't want that. Eddy's desperate for acceptance and being liked by everyone, which conflicts with his "I don't give a shit about anyone but myself" way of being and acting, and being the way he is keeps everyone away from him and makes them not like him, so he suffers a lot being in this limbo between "I don't care about others" and "everyone has to like me".
Anywaaay, back to the main topic: the fact that the only times this character who struggles so much with all of this cried had something to do with Double D says a lot about how intimate he feels with him. Double D and Eddy seem to share a very strong emotional as well as physical intimacy. Sure, it's part of the show that the characters in general have a lot of physical contact, so it's something a little difficult to analyze, BUT the impression I have is that Double D and Eddy still have more scenes with physical contact, and their type of physical contact also seems more intimate to me, more romantic... (I mean, just watch the final scene of BPS of them holding hands looking into each other's eyes. It's pretty obvious).
The person also pointed out how emotionally attached Eddy is to Double D, and that's so true. Double D messes with Eddy's emotions in a very interesting way. He "messes up" everything that Eddy learned as his truth and that was established, awakens many things in Eddy, brings out the best side of him making him have to think and reflect more about things, people and the impact of his actions. Despite also having a lot to learn and improve, Double D has a lot of emotional maturity and responsibility and tends to have a very careful and kind way of dealing with people. Although this way of him being what Eddy understands as "sissy" and is often the target of his mockery or he even appears angry when Double D acts like this, Eddy can't help but feel embraced and comfortable with Double D's affection, sensitivity and support in a way he seems to have never felt before considering his history with his brother and his difficulties and cluelessness about affection and love. Yes, Ed's also a very affectionate person, I'd say even more than Double D. They both like to express affection physically, but while Ed's more like a clingy, happy child or puppy with lots of love to give (mainly physical) and silly things to say and do to put a smile on people's faces to make them feel better, Double D has a more "therapist" and "maternal" side. He's very conscious and attentive, he takes care of people, provides support and a safe space, analyzes situations and tries to help with understanding, counseling and kind words. All this almost unnatural excess of kindness and support is something that Eddy is definitely not used to and finds very strange, but it makes him feel good without him realizing it, as throughout the show we see him frequently turning to Double D when he feels lost, confused, frustrated or scared, as if he sees Double D as a great source of emotional support to help him feel better and get back on track, and as his guide to better understand situations and solve problems. Obviously this isn't something exclusive to couples, but this type of dynamic indicates a very great intimacy and is usually more characteristic of romantic relationships, being another factor that makes their relationship seem to tend more toward romance.
There are many other things, but I prefer to save them for when I make my EddEddy video.
"What's interesting about the dynamic between Edd and Eddy"
Wow I really like this subject because to me this is one of the biggest reasons why they have so much chemistry and are so good together and to each other. I don't want to talk about this in much detail because I want to save that for my video, but basically: Double D and Eddy have some very opposite traits that complement each other, and they have a lot of growth and character development because of their differences interacting together. The show focuses on their relationship because their character development mostly depends on each other. Double D is good where Eddy has to grow and mature, and Eddy is good where Double D has to grow and mature. They have so much to offer and teach each other, and that's what they do by living together daily for years. They unintentionally learn from each other and help each other improve and work on their bad aspects/tendencies, and achieve greater balance in their personalities and behaviors, helping each other not to lean too much in one direction and too little in the other. I think that many of the things they both hate about each other are actually things they deep down admire and even envy about each other (Eddy gets angry and mocks when Double D is smart and uses his extensive vocabulary, but in "Once Upon an Ed" he makes it very clear how he'd like to be smart and use "fancy words" like him, or even be smarter than him, because Double D's intelligence actually makes him feel inferior and dumb. And Double D complains about Eddy's stubbornness but shows that he feels uncomfortable with his own lack of attitude and that he'd like to be more determined, less of a people pleaser and stand up for himself more like Eddy, in addition to him seeming to try to imitate Eddy in many moments, acting with Eddy in a similar way to how Eddy acts with him). The answer is to balance their qualities and flaws, because they complement each other perfectly. And as many say, Ed is the glue that keeps the trio together. He's a crucial piece in their group. In fact, they all are, each of them plays a very important role. @gettingfrilly made another great post (I'm starting to realize how we share similar thoughts xD) about what happens if each duo doesn't have their third Ed. Please read it because I couldn't put it in better words.
Well, as I said before, the three Eds love each other intensely and equally, just in different ways. Even though Double D and Eddy have a romantic relationship, they all need each other and don't function well forever as just the two of them. They work well separately, but just in the short term, as something momentary. They are meant to be a trio and this is how they truly reach their full potential.
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2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, and 26 (My question is just say something about them you want to say)
For whichever character/characters your want
woweee this is gonna be a looooong post
2-Favourite thing about this character
Doing this for Dante. The Dr Faust cutscene, or to be more broad I love his silly attitude and his stupid jokes. Made this series iconic and funny and gives him a personality.
3-Least favourite thing about this character
For Dante this would probably be the ‘if you were 18 i would date you’ joke from the first episode of the anime. This really rubbed me the wrong way and its kinda weird to say that to a kid you just met???and ooc for him???
7-Whats something the fandom does when it comes to this character you like?
Actually give the girl characters time to shine instead of just making them sexy eye candy. And the silly family dynamics between the Sparda boys.
8-Whats something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you despise?
the fucking Vergil dodges child support and is a ‘sigma based alpha male’ homophobe. i hate it so muchhh even though the meme is dead it still annoys me so much when i see people still think its funny.
9-Could you be roommates with this character?
I probably could be roomies with people like Dante and Nero and Kyrie. Id probably get a little annoyed at Dante for constantly being in debt and gambling but we could survive. Do not think I could be roommates with Vergil. that man does not know how the oven works.
10-Would you date this character?
fuck yeah I would date Dante.
12-What's a headcanon you have for this character?
Nico is the kind of person who drenches everything in ranch. She buys the ranch ice cream a lot and it makes Nero loose his shit every single time. She drowns her chips in ranch and Nero looks at her from across the table like shes murdered someone
14-Assign a fashion aesthetic to this character.
Hrngh fuck im not a fashion person. Do kinda see Trish getting into gothic fashion tho.
20-Which other character is the ideal best friend for this character, the amount of screentime they share doesn't matter?
Nero and Nico are the perfect best friends duo. Always got each others backs, always making fun of each other lightheartedly. I want more of them sooo badly you have no idea.
21-If you're a fic writer and have written for this character, what's your favorite thing to do when you're writing for this character? What's something you don't like?
its been decades since I have last written anything in general. But I do remember Dante’s dialogue being fun to write for me and I dont like everything else because im constantly worrying if something is ooc
22-If you're a fic reader, what's something you like in fics when it comes to this character? Something you don't like?
Its been decades since ive read any dmc fic either (get caught up in other things) but as mentioned earlier do love those family dynamics and the attempts to fix everything. Dont like when Vergil os portrayed as ice cold after dmc5.
23-Favorite picture of this character?
FUCK THIS IS SO HARD. I do love the capcom cafe art with dante and his tits out. the teppen card art is also pretty cool.
24- What other character from another fandom of yours that reminds you of them?
So considering the only other fandom I am in is about depressed teenagers trying to overcome their trauma its safe to say none. I guess Kel somewhat for Dante? Only cause theyre silly and have older brothers who like blue.
25-What was your first impression of this character? How about now?
When I first saw V back when I knew absolutely nothing about dmc, I thought he was edgy and didnt really like him (the video used the ‘what evil lurks I must destroy’ clip out of context). But now that I have played and beaten the series I must say V my poor guy hes an absolute menace.
26-FREEBIE QUESTION!!
no idea what this means!!!!!so im just gonna make up a question!!!!
26-Would you work for this character?
ABSOLUTELY NOT DANTE HAS NO BREAD!!!! and the job is like. insanely dangerous and im just an internet guy.
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Updated ship tier list because I don't really have anything other to post
Reasonings under cut
V x Lizzy: It's perfect. It's the best ship ever. It's amazing. I love everything about this ship. Fake besties to real besties to lovers. They tease each other all the time and they kiss and ITS AWESOME OK. I love Vizzy Pink Lemonade 4 ever.
N x Uzi: yooo it's the dynamic duo ever! They've grown on me quite a lot while in the Murder Drones fandom. They are so silly! I kinda see them as half-QPP and half-romantic, hard to explain. But they are a package deal DO NOT SEPERATE
N x Uzi x V: This one is just so silly to me! Not much to say other than its good for funny scenarios and cute headcanons
N x Thad: This one is also silly. Not much to say about it but i think they're cute
Khan x Nori: I don't particularly feel any strong emotions regarding either Khan or Nori, and we don't know much about Nori but from what we've seen yeah I like this ship!
Uzi x V: again, this one's just funny. I like it though
Lizzy x Doll: okay I'm gonna be honest (don't kill me) I don't really care for this ship. I feel like after episode 3 shipping them just is. eh idk. Lizzy canonically betrayed Doll so I'm just not the hugest fan of this ship? The only reason it's not lower is because I think the MDL server would kill me if I put it lower xd
J x V: I have nothing really to say about this ship, we just haven't seen that many interactions between them as of now
Khan x Teacher: idk why this is here I excluded most crackships that were listed on the tier list but it's here so I guess I'll just say. It's funny? That's about it
Uzi x Thad: Don't really like it, it seems too generic and I don't see the appeal. Maybe it's because I just think Thad is a boring character. Idk I just think it was a classic "high school infatuation" and Uzi has moved on. That's just me though.
N x V: I could write an essay on why I don't think this ship works but other people already have, so I'll just link this post by lilblucat because it's a far better explanation then I ever could write lol
J x N: it's... abusive. There's really nothing else that can be said.
Doll x Uzi: I'm subscribed to the popular headcanon that these two are cousins. Aside from that Idk I just don't really care for it
J x Tessa: I love them as besties but nothing more. Idk there's just a weird power dynamic of Tessa being a human and. idk this ship just weirds me out I don't like it.
Thad x V: Someone PLEASE tell me why this ship is as popular as it is. Genuinely. WHAT IS THE APPEAL SOMEONE HELP LOL
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vmin give off sibling energy. they literally behave like siblings and it shows in how much their relationship can get ugly compared to the other members but at the same time they love each other the most. like the dumpling fight is so petty but it made them not talk to each other for days, on the other hand when they fight with other members they fix those issues pretty quickly, such as taejin's fight during the wings tour or jikook's rainy day fight. vmin, much like siblings, fight over stupid things, feel petty, and stay not talking to each other for days out of pure ego. but they also spend hours at night talking to each other about anything and everything.
vmin have said before that they talk a lot together at night, that when they're going through something personally they go to the other for comfort, in bon voyage s1 when tae was lost with the camera man none of the members were worried because he had staff with him, all except for jimin who was so worried and called tae to make sure he's okay and kept asking him if he knows where he is. in bon voyage malta when tae hadn't joined the members yet jimin was the one who kept taking videos and photos to send tae and randomly counted 7 out of everything because he's used to tae being there, and sometimes he even randomly spurted "i wish tae was here" whenever they did any kind of activity without him. and the moment tae joined them jimin was glued to him and they went out together to eat and experience stuff together that jimin wanted to share with him all the cool stuff they did when tae wasn't there.
when jimin was hospitalized last year after getting diagnosed with covid and acute appendicitis, we learned that tae facetimed him everyday when he woke up and spoke to him for hours on the phone, he also mentioned in the bts book that jimin is the one person he can't live without.
in my personal opinion, i feel like vmin have a very deep profound connection and sometimes it manifests itself in a soulmate type of way but most of the time it's just sibling behaviour, especially in recent years when you could kind of tell they're much less involved in each other's live but that connection is till not lost. vmin are probably gonna be those type of friends who don't see each other all the time but they communicate in other ways that makes them know each othe better that anyone else. they, much like family relatives, don't spend much time together and have other people to do that with (just like how siblings spend more time with their respective friends than with each other but at the end of the day only they know each other better than anyone else) and in the far future, if all bts members somehow stop communicating and each start living their own life away from the other members, vmin will be that one duo that is still in touch and visit each other occasionally during holidays, birthdays, or any other family matters. because that's the type of dynamic they share. we might not understand the soulmate aspect of it because we view a soulmate type of connection as a near-perfect type of connection but vmin are pretty much realistic soulmates. even if they're not involved in each other's lives much, they still share a deeper connection with each other than the ones they share with most of the people they know and it'll always be like that in my opinion.
Hi anon!
Oh, I do agree with your description of their friendship. I just don’t think they’re the closest pairing. I think it’s hard to describe members friendships in terms of the way we (non BTS members) experience friendship.
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yakool-foolio · 9 months
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What do you say to these Vivia ships?
Vivia x Yakou
Vivia x Worried Man NPC
Vivia x Shinigami
Vivia x Fubuki
Vivia x Desuhiko
Vivia x Halara
Vivia x Yuma
Vivia x Melami
Vivia x dying
Vivia x pillows
Vivia x Wince Media
Vivia x boxcutter knife
Vivia x nobody
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Hoo boy that's a lot! Well, if ya wanna mess with the bull, you'll get the horns. And by that I mean you'll get my serious and/or non-serious reaction to all of these so enjoy!
Vivia x Yakou - Ah yes, the og otp, ever since me and my boyfriend wanted to cosplay our respective favs before the game even released. Suffice to say were we ahead of the game on that one so we were pleasantly surprised it has some canon footing and it's simply sweet as hell! I personally love how this ship symbolizes that no matter how much you've lost, there's always something to gain and you still have the capacity to love.
Vivia x Worried Man - I won't lie this side quest completely caught me off-guard. My thought process went from 'aw he's in love' -> 'wait that's gay' -> 'WAIT THATS GAY WITH VIVIA' and I have never been the same since. It's pretty cute ngl, even if it's just a little side quest. Aaaaand then the rest of chapter 4 happened and I went right back to loving Viviakou, sorry Worried Man but you've got a lotta competition.
Vivia x Shinigami - Before the game released I theorized that Vivia could see Shinigami and I was so damn proud of myself to find out that I was right. Besides that, I always associated them as friends pre-release, but with chapter 4, their dynamic is very interesting. Vivia put her in her place throughout the entire labyrinth. He was more in control of the situation than she was cause he held more knowledge than any other assistant ever had before. He wasn't stuck in there with her, she was stuck in there with him. Anyways yeah I think they'd be platonic buddy ol' pals
Vivia x Fubuki - The 4-panel comic of them was adorable! I see them as friends but I can certainly see why people may view them in a more romantic light. They definitely paint each other's nails.
Vivia x Desuhiko - Another case of them being more like pals than a blossoming bromance. However, I do have a good platonic headcanon that Vivia knows how to play piano and has studied music theory as part of his endless reading escapades, so he'll sometimes help out Desuhiko when requested for assistance with practicing on his guitar. They're both very musically-inclined I know it in my heart.
Vivia x Halara - AKA the badasses. I don't view them as romantic personally, but I love them being the duo who kicks ass and takes names. Additionally, I'm sure Halara appreciates having a metaphorical cat around when they can't interact with actual cats.
Vivia x Yuma - Not uncommon for the protag to slip his way into every and all angles of ships, but I think this one works especially well. Yuma and Vivia have a very strong and well-written dynamic thanks to our lord and savior chapter 4; they develop alongside each other. It's just like Vivia said, they're accomplices, they have to fight for the truth together in order to clearly see eye-to-eye. We love short king with tall ghost guy! The appeal for this ship is very much apparent.
Vivia x Melami - I fought so hard for these two to interact and what did I get? Nothing! So, I wallow in my headcanons of them having a perfect partnership since their Fortes bounce off each other so well. Melami would absolutely despise Vivia's choice of 'clothing' though, she'd try to give him a makeover but he'd slip right out of her grasp before she could do anything.
Vivia x dying - As much as he adores the idea of death I don't think he's dying any time soon. The grim reaper plays hard to get.
Vivia x pillows - THE PAIRING HE DESERVES
Vivia x Wince Media... hey wait I know that guy from Twitter
Vivia x boxcutter knife - It's a cut above the rest [laugh track]
Vivia x nobody - Privacy is very important, I'm sure he enjoys his time alone just as much as he's grateful for attention. It's a good balance!
BONUS: Vivia x Zilch (yes the real one)- I'm inclined to bring this crack ship up cause I've been pioneering it for a long time. Heck I'm even trying to write an AU one-shot about it, I find their potential relationship so intriguing. I love my literal and metaphorical catboys!
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Prev anon. I've been hearing too much salt on how s5 has completely ruined the show and how the characters are just stagnant and never developing. Do you have an analysis of that? Thanks.
I mean, I think it's safe to say that if people are saying that about s5, they're not watching the show. This season has had the most rapid and obvious development for characters, the issue is that some people just don't like it.
"I don't like it, therefore it's bad."
They shut down the logic part of their brain because they're upset and refuse to hear any reason. But this season has given us so much if people are willing to set aside their bitching and moaning for a minute. I'm going to be discussing out of order episodes from later in the season (but no leaks) during this, so if anyone hasn't watched Protection, Emotion, Pretension, or Revelation, keep on scrolling.
So truthfully, a lot of this development started in s4. Season 4 planted the seeds, and now season 5 is reaping the harvest. Marinette's insecurity around being in love/a relationship while being Ladybug started in s4. Chat Noir falling out of love with Ladybug started in s4 (yes, it did if you look). Adrien was slowly falling for Marinette all throughout season 4. The signs were all there, so what's happening in s5 isn't really that surprising in retrospect. I've talked about it all before, but let's look more into how things have developed specifically in s5.
This season had several things it needed to work on with them: The LadyNoir partnership, Marinette's fear of love, and Adrien's home situation. Let's talk about each one.
The LadyNoir partnership
Let's get this one out of the way because it's what people are most salty about, and I think it's the one that resolves the quickest. How their development was "ruined" and how being just friends is a "detriment" to their dynamic. A major conflict from s4 was her not relying on Chat Noir and trying to do everything herself. We the audience know that played a huge part in why things ended up the way they did in Strike Back. In Ephemeral, we learn that she could have solved the akuma way faster if she just had Chat Noir around, but Chat Noir wasn't around because of their on-going conflict. He felt like she didn't need him because she was pulling away as a result of her new guardian responsibility, and the more he pulled away, the more she had to pull in other heroes to help. It wasn't really intentional on her part because she was dealing with a lot, and that's something Chat Noir came to understand throughout the season. Strike Back when she shows up at his house and completely breaks, he sees firsthand how stressed she is, so he reaches out to begin the healing process for both of them. She even points out that she pushed him away, but he helps her focus on fixing everything rather than being upset at her. That opens the door for them to heal in season 5.
In Evolution, she trusts Chat Noir with the rabbit Miraculous and steps back to follow his lead. She's done that several times this season as a means of fixing their partnership. Chat lifts her up when she has doubts. He's been helping her move past her mistake and focused on helping her fix it. Last season was rough for both of them, but Adrien had a lot of forward momentum coming out of that season that he is using in s5 to help Ladybug find her footing now that she had the rug ripped out from underneath her. They said it in Deflagration that their duo is the only one that works. They've learned to rely on each other again. And ya know what? It works. By Perfection they're back in sync and perfectly at ease with each other. Their partnership is strong again after s4 put them through the ringer. They're pushing the boundaries of their identities by gushing about their real life bf/gf, something Ladybug would have shutdown before. Their partnership is healing, and they're focusing on getting the Miraculous back.
S4 was hard for a lot of people to watch because they were fighting all the time. This season, they've worked to fix that and worked through their issues, which included Chat's persistent attempts to romance her. That was a source of conflict since s1, people just ignored it because they know she's actually in love with his civilian side, but Ladybug has gotten onto him several times over the course of the show about it. She made her stance clear that she wasn't in love with him, and he needed to respect that. Glaciator 2 really hammered that point home for him, and that coupled with everything else from s4 is why we have the Adrien we do in s5. He's more patient with Marinette, he's not pushy, he tries really hard to make sure she's comfortable, he listens to her.
And before anyone says any type of shit about how Adrinette "stole" LadyNoir's development, I will remind you they're the same fucking people and shut up. The sides aren't separate. They're all working together toward achieving a common goal: a healthy, post-reveal relationship. All sides have to get development for that to happen, and the development of one side is going to impact another one because they're the same people. It wouldn't make sense for Chat Noir to learn to respect Ladybug's boundaries, then turn around and push past Marinette's. The fact that he did learn to respect boundaries and is demonstrating that he learned that is, say it with me now, c h a r a c t e r d e v e l o p m e n t.
I'm not sure where people are getting off saying they're not developing or that their characters are "ruined" because that is just not what's happening on screen at all. The other sides aren't "dead" and Adrinette didn't "win" the love square. Treating the sides as separate entities in competition with one another rather than 4 parts of a whole working toward harmony is reductive and demonstrates a lack of understanding of the characters. The LadyNoir development this season was a long time coming since their conflict started in s4, and I can guarantee you it's going to be for the benefit of the ship overall in the long run. We can't see what the writers have planned for future seasons, so we don't know what points are crucial for them to get to this season. Not liking something isn't the same as something being objectively bad. Platonic LadyNoir isn't bad, nor is prereveal canon Adrinette. They are both serving a purpose, which brings us to our next topic.
Marinette's fear of love
Let's move onto Marinette and her specific issues and how she's overcome them this season. People have claimed her being afraid to love Adrien this season doesn't make sense when episodes like Chat Blanc exist where she immediately started dating him with no problems, but in true salter fashion, they're ignoring a lot of context and shit that happened after that episode. We had a whole season and a half after Chat Blanc before Adrinette started dating in s5, so I think it's safe to say they're in a much different place now than they were then. Ephemeral was a halfway point between Chat Blanc and s5 of sorts because in Ephemeral, she didn't immediately fall for Chat Noir when she learned he was Adrien, she was conflicted because we already had plot in motion for her being conflicted about being in love while being a superhero. (plus there was also the ongoing LadyNoir conflict in s4)
Now in s5, we have her post-Strike Back where she made a crucial error that cost her and everyone tremendously because she was blinded by love (in her eyes, we know there were several other factors at play). Those types of events tend to affect people. That in and of itself is development. Development isn't always linear or forward progressing. Sometimes characters regress and fall in pitfalls and mess up. It's ultimately what does propel them forward. That's what happened to Marinette at the beginning of the season. She made a huge mistake and was clearly grappling with that. This season for her is about coming to terms with her mistakes and healing from that while she works to fix everything. It's about learning to forgive herself and calm down about love. The mistake set in motion all of the strides she's made since.
Let's take a look at the second half of the season as we have it (I know we are still missing a lot of episodes, but the later episodes we do have are very telling). Take Perfection, Marinette is still more or less the Marinette we know when it comes to Adrien. She's flustered, she comes up with crazy schemes to confess her feelings, she panics, she runs away, she worries over messing everything up again. A few episodes later in Protection, we see her finally starting to calm down because Adrien is finally starting to help her. And, no, I'm not saying it was ever his responsibility before to help her because he literally didn't know about her feelings. We are missing some context between Perfection and Protection, but we know something happens and Adrien finds out that Marinette has been panicking around him this whole time. He admits to Kagami that he never realized before that she was so uncomfortable around him, and now he wants to help her overcome that. So, he puts in the effort to recognize when she's flustered or acting crazy and do things to help her calm down. Like when he changes into his pajamas because she's in her pajamas. He probably just figured she freaked out when he texted her to come over and didn't want her to feel embarrassed (which is ridiculously sweet).
Marinette's trauma surrounded love, particularly her love for Adrien. I know a lot of people salted on Alya in Elation when she was questioning Marinette's newfound feelings for Chat Noir, but honestly, she was kind of right. I'm not saying Marinette's feelings for Chat Noir weren't genuine, but it was incredibly obvious this entire season that she was still in love with Adrien and instead of facing her mistakes and issues, she was running away from them. It's not about how she felt about Chat Noir. She was traumatized, and instead of working through that trauma, she was avoiding it. Elation and the Kwamis Choice episodes taught her that she shouldn't run from her problems because it only makes things worse.
Transmission/Deflagration were important key steps for Marinette related to that trauma. In the beginning of Transmission, she's feeling hopeless and heartbroken. The weight of the world is crushing her, and she feels like she can't escape it. She still thinks she can't be in love and be Ladybug at the same time. It's not about her feelings for either Chat Noir or Adrien anymore. She genuinely thinks that she will only ever make mistakes if she loves someone, anyone, and that's something she needed to heal from. Their relationship has been an uphill battle this whole time. Even after he confesses his feelings, and she more or less confesses hers, she still can't bring herself to say it out loud or even hold his hand at lunch. Her trauma is a huge hurdle she's working on this season, and I think the class actually makes things worse for her. They do genuinely want her to be happy, but no one (save Alya) knows why she's hesitant. To them, she's just being crazy old Marinette.
That's why I think Adrien's reaction to her this season is extremely important. Everyone else is being pushy and insisting they need to kiss and confess their love and have big grand amazing romantic moments, but Adrien learned in s4 that those types of things aren't necessary and can even be bad. And that is ultimately what Marinette needs. Ladybug (aka Marinette) told Chat Noir that's what she needed in s4, and Adrien listened and is now applying it to Marinette. And it's working. Marinette and Adrien make strides in Protection (episode 16) and by Emotion (episode 18) they're sitting on a beach together sharing ice cream and nearly kissing. No panic, no overthinking. Marinette doesn't jump to wild conclusions or blame him when he doesn't tell her about the Diamonds Dance. She doesn't sneak into the party just to see him or be with him like she did in the past. She goes to tell him that it's okay, she gets it, and she still loves him. That is HUGE development considering 7 episodes ago she was crying in her bed about how she can't be in love and confessing her love to a picture of a cow.
Then there's Pretension where she tries to plead their case to Gabriel. She's confident, she stands her ground, she doesn't let Gabriel tell her how to feel or let him manipulate her into caving the way he does to other people even though she's terrified. She makes sure Adrien knows that she still stands by him and won't let Gabriel come between them, which brings us to our last point.
Adrien's home life
Aka the center of the entire plot of the show up to this point. It's no secret that this season is wrapping up the Agreste plotline that we've been following since s1. I believe the creator has said it, and Gabriel getting cataclysmed in the arm is just a huge sign that this season is going to be final for him one way or another. Either he wins and makes his wish, or he dies.
A hugely important thing for the progression of their plot and for the love square was bringing Marinette closer to the action. They've been saying it since s3 that Marinette is the knight that needs to rescue Adrien from his evil father. It's a reverse fairytale of sorts where the girl is the one fighting to save the prince. Adrinette is accomplishing a two-fold mission in that regard. Adrien is helping Marinette heal her trauma surrounding love (particularly loving him), and Marinette is helping to free him from his shackles (his father). She tries to do it as herself by pleading with Gabriel to just let them be together and be happy, but we all know Gabriel is a snake bitch that's gonna need to have that lesson beaten into him. I presume, (this is Cat's speculation, not necessarily leaks) that will only be accomplished after Gabriel is defeated by Ladybug. Dating Adrien is just helping her to see past the perfect image Gabriel is fooling the rest of the world with. It's setting her right where she needs to be for the final conflict.
This season is showing that the love square is all connected. It's reminding us that they're the same two people. They're partners, they're friends, they're soulmates. Development on one side directly impacts another side. They're learning to lean on each other, to love each other in a way that works for both of them. They're fighting for each other. Marinette starts the season out really down on herself and afraid to love, and at the most recent episode we have aired, we have her being confident in their relationship, in her feelings. She and Adrien comfort each other and are openly affectionate to each other. Literally how is that not development? How are the characters remaining stagnant? This is the most they've grown this whole show, and they are thriving. By Revelation, they've healed their partnership and Marinette's love trauma. All that's standing in their way now is Gabriel and his penchant for cosplaying as an ugly purple man with a God complex. And personally, I can't wait to see them beat that bitch into submission.
TL;DR: The show isn't ruined. Some people just never understood what it was about.
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(context for this post can be found in this masterpost under communications re:boot!)
The actor who plays Frances (I’ll be calling them by their roles, not the names of the actors- too confusing) has played a lot of big roles since her involvement in Number Street and is a very well known actor! She's almost like the Meryl Streep of this au, being very versatile and having a lot of famous titles to her name. Her performance as Poppy went pretty under the radar, seeing as the show wasn't super popular and had a small budget- at least until the announcement that she would be returning to play Frances in the COMMUNICATIONS reboot of the show. Her hardcore fans started circulating clips of her as Poppy, several of which were meme'd and made into tiktok audios (as you do). This brought hype for the reboot that wasn't there previously, seeing as the fan community for the original show was fairly small.
A few interview quotes from Frances!
Q: What were your thoughts when you found out Poppy was cut from the reboot?
A: “I’m sad to see her go, at least for now. No spoilers! However, I do enjoy the new dynamic the Elsner family has now that they're child-free. Platonic marriage isn't typically explored in media, it was a very interesting direction. So as close as I hold Poppy to my heart, I’m willing to let her go to explore new scenarios with the rest of the family.”
Q: What inspired you when playing Frances?
A: “I was a little out of my element at first. I mean, there was no Frances last time I was an Elsner! But then on my first day on set, somebody asked me if I’d read ‘the comic’. And I went, ‘what comic?’, and they said ‘oh my god, the comic!’ And so they showed me this insane, crudely drawn comic about extreme versions of the Elsner family with time travel and psychics and spirits, oh my! It was the craziest thing I’d ever read. I'd have to credit the mind of that author for inspiring me. Beyond that, there were a lot of other actors I looked up to…”
Q: Will you be coming back for a second season?
A: “Unfortunately, I don't think Frances will appear in the second season, but I would love to come back as another character if I was asked. It seems the second season is going to defy all expectations.”
Q: What was your relationship with Henry off set?
A: “It’s quite funny, actually. I’d always apologize to him after dramatic scenes, as he really looked that scared! Henry is an excellent actor, and it was a pleasure to work alongside him. I can’t say much about our relationship off set, as we didn't often hang out outside of cast dinners and such.”
Q: And what about Nancy?
A: “Oh, Nancy is such a joy! I like to think I took her under my wing during this project. She has such raw emotion in her acting, I almost didn’t believe her when she said this was her first lead! She acted quite nervous around me at first, a bit intimidated I believe, but we warmed up to each other and became quite good friends. She asks me for lots of advice, always striving for perfection. Such a hard worker. She's precious.”
Q: And Ray?
A: “Oh my, he makes me feel old and young all at once. He wrote 'gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss’ on my mirror in lipstick a few days into filming. I had to ask him what it meant. I thought it was quite funny, although it is apparently outdated now. Times change so fast. To get back to the topic, Ray is an incredibly talented young actor with so much potential! He truly transforms into his character, it’s almost scary sometimes on set. We’re not in any scenes together, unfortunately, though he’s told me if we were we’d be an unstoppable “male and female manipulator duo”.
this definitely needs some more editing but I wanted to share the scraps lol
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brownfrogs · 1 year
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so Hanzo and Cole set up this agreement to help each other out and scope out different information, at first there is a hesitance bc Cole knows the Shimada Clan does /a lot/ more than just robberies so he is naturally hesitant to make this alliance.
the adding of ashe could give such a fun scene of Hanzo being like a little jealous and asking like, fine purely for 'business reasons' you don't have any romantic relations I should know about… And Cole is like ... Ashe??? and just laughs at him. Hanzo just blinks and is like ??? very obviously missing the context maybe thats the lore drop of them growing up together and some fun stuff but both are like dating?? never.
maybe they used to perform together in deadlock (maybe deadlock was a band of sorts who would sneak into events under cover as the entertainment.) and her and Cole often were talked about as a duo when in reality Ashe was who taught him to play guitar or smth sweet like that
oh and they absolutely have some intimate moments here and there. but later on we see Hanzo getting badly affected by the clan. Maybe this is where we see a Hanzo & Genji divide starts to happen. Hanzo is like venting about Genji going off and just being human and Cole is like don't yall think the clan shouldn't be getting you into this shit, like theft is one thing but (not sure what the crime is yet, maybe some sort of displacement of famous performers, thats how we loop around with singers and such) xyz is a whole other.
but the story arc would see the corruption of the clan happen before us, we have like some super sweet moments of Cole comforting Hanzo when he breaks apart from being overwhelmed with responsibility and realising that maybe, /just maybe/ he shouldn't have to have the weight of this entirety crime syndicate on his shoulders.
like i imagine they both have their own limits about whats morally correct or morally grey if anything but i think the corruption would take it too far for both of them, this could be genji being exiled or something similar
so i could see them bounding together against both of their organisations and thats when we get the yeehan dynamic in such full so when we do have our OW police and detectives coming in at first it's definitely hostility but then its our anti heroes working against the police bc they won't handle the missing subjects with enough care
like theyd only care about arresting the criminals not getting back the ppl whilst Hanzo and Cole are like no we need our people. they matter.
also i could see them both truly indulging in casual intimacy that isn't limited to threatening grabs and shoves.
like being held??? being simply /held/ when they are in an industry so rough and tough and having the most gentle hug and soothing lullabies would truly be healing for them
Ugh I honestly don’t have much to add to this bc this is already so perfect.
Cole saying him and Ashe practically raised themselves in this cruel world but made it on the other side. Maybe not so different to Hanzo and Genji.
Knowing that Sojiro gets assassinated, I like to think it left a power vacuum over to who will get his districts/finances/weapons, since Hanzo wasn’t established fully yet. The elders stepped in to fight off the Hashimoto claiming territory outright, but they felt Genji was out of control and needed to be leashed in by Hanzo. They manipulate him into thinking Genji is feeding the police information or something similar to make him turn on his brother. But thankfully Cole is there to instill some sense into him enough to break through that control. And also just be a comforting shoulder to lean on.
I LOVE CASUAL INTIMACY BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. (I honestly think of this art piece all the time bc of it) Hanzo and Cole facing each other as they talk softly of things, legs touching, Cole placing one of Hanzo’s bangs behind his ear, Hanzo squeezing Cole’s knee. Cole dressing Hanzo in his expensive suit, tying his tie, fixing his cufflinks. Hanzo getting Cole new cigars and carrying a lighter just for him to light without as so much a word. Allowing themselves to be vulnerable and comfortable with each other in a world that would punish them for it? Incredible.
Then the kidnappings start happening yes, and maybe Kiriko’s dad is the latest one (instead of a swordmaster he could be a musician) and Kiriko asks for their help along with her little crew to get justice. So they can be in full swing along with the rest of their people and have a nice satisfying ending haha
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fruitobject · 2 years
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what is your opinion on coinpin and leafpin (specifically a love triangle (where pin and leafy already had an established relationship until bfdia and then pin dated coiny in bfdia and then there is a cool interaction in idfb))
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this is so long oh god
this is what I'm picking up for the love triangle part if I understand correctly (i'll comment on this later but I don't fully understand love triangles sorry😭)
and if I'm wrong you can disregard the third conclusion section
coinpin:
easily best bi couple right?
I absolutely LOVE all their interactions throughout the whole series, down to their bickering and small comments to each other. In the world of the bfdi fandom, friends to lovers and rare pairs always take the lead in a way.
This isn't saying bfb is poorly written, but there wasn't too much meaningful character interaction or at least development following the interactions in the show. The only times we do get to see it between a pair of characters its always followed by shipping in the fandom because of how little friendly interaction there is outside of the competition normally (firey and leafy arc, pin and coiny's little talk about loser and more, fireafy and coinpin are the most popular ships currently) ITS HARD TO WORD THIS IMSORRY
but imagine it like there's little development outside of the competition (and it's not bad, it's a battle after all) so when characters finally DO have meaningful interaction the fan base loses their marbles whether it's some sort of villain arc or just repairing an alliance because everyone else is so bland (in terms of dynamics and stuff with others I NEED MY TROPES)
but this also gives a reason for these "popular ships" to work together more, because the said pairing would have the most development together if the above is true with the "most meaningful interactions"
back to coiny x pin, I would dub it as a popular ship in the fandom. is it overrated? of course not! I can see how their chemistry works, and there is plenty of canon content with them as a perfect duo.
this is just me wanting to bring up the bfdi shipping issue(?)(not really I just noticed it) I'm sorry again
conclusion: can definitely see it, and ship it myself! one of bfb's fav ships for a reason
leafpin:
YOU GUYS GOT A SHORT ALREADY CALM DOWN/lh/nbh
Their relationship in the series quite literally began on the first episode with them being in an alliance, and I've loved their strange alliance since. I'm not sure if most of the leafpin shippers came in before or after that one short with the two, but their dynamic is great! Also on the popular side due to many different things, but I don't have any complaints about it!
Nothing else to really say, but I'd love it if they interacted again in another short or something in the future!!!! u guys are starved I'm sorry
conclusion: neat ship! love two lesbian gals in love
love?????? triangle????????????
Would be interesting but a little weird considering Leafy is in bfb still and no where near tpot grounds. I assume you mean this takes place in a period where they're still in bfb (coiny and pin make out without leafy during bfdia😒/j)
It'd be good for a fic or something that could be expanded on with its own plot reasons, but I personally don't see the love triangle part! I respect your opinion though and think its still pretty cool!! I can see it with a backstory of some sort, just not from what we already have in bfb.
Everything above does apply since it's just the both of the ships above with Pin in a weird love dorito
btw don't let any of my opinions take down what you think of these ships!!!!!this is just a long ramble about what I think
conclusion: I don't know what a love triangle is
. . .
final conclusion : I think the dynamic between the 3(or 2 each) would be really cool!! works best in fics that could give it some more backstory to how the love triangle came to be + maybe even some fun little headcanons
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Hi,love your page by the way!although I have always been a fan of tintin myself I didn't know there was a large fandom about it in here or on insta or ..too I'm quite surprised and happy about it,just wanted to know your thoughts oon his last adventure alph art,I wish hergecould've finished it,so what do you think of it?I think it was a pretty good and modern story
Hello 👋 Thank you for your kind words and I'm glad you like my chaotic page 💕 I think you can consider Tintin fandom huge compared to some other smaller but in the grand scale of fandoms we're kinda a quiet corner so enjoy your stay!
OH BOY ALPH ART! Thank you for this question because I do have some thoughts on it!
WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD (for anyone not having read it yet)
The short version: I enjoyed reading it and I consider it part of the canon but no way it's perfect.
The long version:
I'll begin with the things that seem off with me or could be handled better.
First of all Martine. No, I don't dislike her and I don't want her out, god knows how much in need we are in this fandom for female characters. I do see in her a lot of potential and the way she was handled in the end leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. She was reduced to being a fan of Tintin while Tintin didn't show to her any more interest than for the case itself. I would love their dynamic to be developed more as Tintin needs a) girl friends and b) friends around his age and Martine combines them. She herself could be a more active ally for Tintin and co like Bianca is and especially in this case she could shine with her knowledge of the art world or at least volunteer to help with finding more clues. I know these all are random ideas but the main point is that Martine deserved more. And don't let me start with the vague last scene when she asks Tintin to meet her parents (gurl WHY? he showed you the basic level of interest, you can do better) and we never see his answer (that's a huge relief because if the company wanted him to have a girlfriend in the last page of the last album I would revive from the dead Herge himself to finish them off).
The appearances of many characters, although I enjoyed them, seem too random even for the series standards. They kinda enhance the feeling of this is the last album, saying a last goodbye to them, but they could be used a bit more tied to the main plot or the main duo, if it makes sense what I'm saying.
Ramo Nash could have a stronger role as a new secondary but with a key role character. It felt he had a nice build up only to be left aside and in the finale to be shown again.
As you can see my least favourite things of the album are the parts of the story that Herge might have handled differently (according to his notes anyway, which still don't mean anything as many times he tossed away notes in many of his stories) and I may be feeling that way because of my prejudice as I know someone else did the rest of the album. Herge died before finishing it so, in my opinion, there's no point in trying to guess how he would do it or believe he would necessarily do it better- he was a genius in many things but god damn he would sacrifice anything for a good joke.
The things I did like a lot are surprisingly many.
First of all I LOVE how Tintin is handled. Let me explain. This is the last album, Tintin at this point has been through a lot of things and has survived even more and he has already shown his need to live a more peaceful and calmer life at home (after Tibet is too obvious). And what we see from our hero? His signs of PTSD like he's instinct to lay down immediately after a loud sound at the gas station because he thought it was a gunshot while it was just a tire or something. And it's not only that. Before that he ran to Haddock's room because he was scared for the worst. I know these aren't new for Tintin or something unusual but take into consideration that we haven't seen Tintin being falsely in alarm (usually there's a reason to be in tense or he's proven to be right soon after) and most of all WHY? Why are we shown this scene? Was it only for a cheap joke? The rest of the album makes me to doubt that and to seriously consider that if we had a continuation of the series Tintin's new perspective of life and dealing with his trauma would be a recurring theme.
Continuing with Tintin, he is again reluctant to be involved in a new case until he is asked by the gallery owner himself to help. What's even more interesting is not his usual reaction of not a big deal when later he gets in danger and is saved by luck but Haddock's reaction which is more exasperated and direct than ever to his message: next time you may NOT be saved. I feel like at this point Tintin KNOWS he is right, he fully realises this but he DOESN'T KNOW how to stop it. In this adventure he tries his best to take measures while still doing his work as he always did.
My thoughts may sound bonkers but I truly believe they are a result of the "nightmare" sequence Tintin has as he is hanged up. Like every dream sequence in the series where the images resemble a lot the in real life dreams while still working as story devices (something that I truly admire and love in Herge's stories), here too Tintin has his thoughts being pictured very vividly. He sees himself as his appearance in the first books, with the yellow shirt and red tie, saying that he hasn't worn that a long time now, and then he is hanged up by his own tie. I think it is obvious that at this point Tintin considers himself too different than his old self and even when he is caught up on nostalgia or even the expectations he and everyone has on him he knows he can't be that person anymore. The reasons might be both physical, as he understands better the danger and values more his life, and phycological, as the pressure of keep being the Tintin everyone knows and the only version of himself he knew he could be, is too much and suffocating. He has been changing all this time and now he is going through the phase of discovering who he has become.
Haddock was a delight in this album too. I know Herge had prepared more for him (like obviously, Herge was this close to rename the series the adventures of Captain Haddock) but he was still fun and in the end unapologetically himself. The scene when he saves Tintin from the trap is still one of my favourites, as well as the final one with the statue, I still laugh with the whole situation.
Rastapopoulos being behind everything fits as the last story and him dying by falling from a cliff was so poetic, his first fake death was his real one too. Not to mention that this is the first and last time Haddock meets him, as no one remembers the events of Flight 714 to Sydney, and it's so hilarious if you think about it.
The comment on art world during the time Herge wrote it is one of the most interesting things for me in this album. If you haven't tried to understand at least the mechanics of art world you'll never understand Herge's (and many of us who tried to) disappointment with it. Herge criticises the groundbreaking artwork that art critics supposedly declare that postmodern art does and most of all the real interest behind the ones with influence in the art world which is of course money. Herge's commentary is more on the mechanics and the market in this world than if a letter can be art- which soon becomes just a running gag.
Overall it's a good album to read and I don't understand the hate (as I don't understand the hate for any of the albums except the second one you all know which I am talking about). Some things could be better, some others were fine and some were great and everyone can agree or disagree which things are these. I wish we could have Herge's version too to talk about, although most of all I wish we could have Thermozero script at least *coughtintinimaginatiogiveittousfinallycough*.
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this is kind of a weird request so sorry in advance and you don't have to write it if you don't want to of course!!! but could i get hcs for atsumu, oikawa, and terushima with a lesbian best friend? i feel like lesbian + flirty boy is such a power duo because she can give girl advice and they don't have to worry about feelings making things awkward dhkshdkdh sorry again!!
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS REQUEST FBWBBDSF I love the dynamic these three would have with a lesbian best friend, it would be so chaotic, I love it. I based some of these with how I am with my guy friends, I’m not a lesbian but I’m close enough HAHAHA
Also, happy pride you guys 🥺💕  from your local chaotic bi
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-`,✎ Atsumu, Oikawa and Terushima with a lesbian best friend
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Miya Atsumu
You guys are like the ultimate power couple except you aren’t a couple
Everyone thinks you guys are dating at first because Atsumu isn’t the type who’s openly close and touchy with a girl but when he’s with you, you two are basically attached by the hip, even more so than he is with his brother
But surprise!! You’re gay as gay can be
When you first told him, he didn’t even bat an eye
“I already knew.”
“What?? How?”
“I’VE KNOWN YOU FOR YEARS, YOU THINK I WOULDN’T NOTICE!?”
But he’s so genuinely happy you trusted him enough to tell him, also he was beginning to worry you were going to tell Osamu first
He’s surprisingly the most supportive best friend ever
If anyone ever tries to give you shit for your sexuality then they will have to face the wrath of an angered Atsumu (+Osamu ofc)
He was already pretty blunt with his words to begin with, just imagine him angry
You two do this thing where you sit somewhere in public, usually munching on snacks from the convenience store, people watching
When I say people watching, I mean checking girls out
“Look over there, she’s cute.”
“Ew, she’s way out of your league.”
“What do you mean?!”
He’d smack your ice cream to the ground when you say this and he’d have to buy you a new one after you started smacking him with your bag
He’ll never admit it to anyone except you but he sucks with girls
THEY FALL FOR HIM LEFT AND RIGHT AND HE CAN DEAL WITH FANGIRLS BUT WHEN HE ACTUALLY LIKES SOMEONE HE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO
Basically: He’s a dork
He goes to you for love advice, mostly because he trusts you and because he knows there’ll be less teasing (Osamu would never let him hear the end of it)
Plus you have more experience than Osamu hehe
He’d drape himself over your lap as you’re working and tell you about all his woes
“Why do I keep scaring her off?”
“Listen, Tsumu, you just gotta cut the sarcasm and try not to sound condescending all the time.”
“I don’t sound condescending all the time!”
“Are you deaf??”
Not gonna lie, people are lowkey intimidated by you two
He’s pretty protective of you, like in an older brother type of way
Listen he knows that guys are trash but he knows how ruthless girls can be, he doesn’t want to see you get hurt
He ends up unintentionally scaring away other girls from you which you def weren’t happy about
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Oikawa Tooru
His fangirls hate you with a burning passion
You’re the one girl he’s completely let into his life, you were one of his closest friends
He was just drawn to you, you know? You two just clicked immediately
Mostly because you both radiated the same crackhead energy
But also because you weren’t the same as the other girls in his school, you didn’t look at him with this starstruck look in your eyes like he was some idol, you saw him for who he really was
That sounds so sappy, he would never tell you any of this, you’d tease him too much
He’s so cute though, he calls you his platonic soulmate
He’s a super affectionate person
He always has his arm around your shoulder or linked with your own, another reason why his fangirls have it out for you
WHAT THEY DIDN’T KNOW WAS THAT YOU WERE MORE INTO THE THEM THAN YOU WERE INTO OIKAWA
Subconsciously, Oikawa knew that you would never fall for him and he loved that about your relationship, he didn’t worry about you becoming a fangirl or losing the bond you two shared because of awkwardness
But he just thought it was because you really only saw Oikawa as a friend and not because you were gay
When you did tell him, he was so surprised and he internally slapped himself because “I should have known!!” He knows you better than anyone, why didn’t he see the signs??
He’s so great about it though, he immediately takes you in his arms and tells you that you’re amazing and thanks you for telling him
“(Y/N) this is so great, it means we have more in common!”
If anyone, I mean anyone, whether it be fangirl or classmate or stranger on the street, says anything bad about you he will not hesitate to throw some hands
Listen, Oikawa may have a reputation to uphold but if anyone talks shit about his best friend then he’s going to go feral
You were definitely Oikawa’s go-to for girl advice
When he had a crush, when he didn’t know how to deal with his fangirls, when his girlfriend dumped him, you were the first one he went to
“I can’t believe she broke up with me.”
“Pfft, you could do better. I told you not to date her.”
“Would you have dated her?”
“I mean she was hot but come on, she was a bitch.”
sorry i just hate his ex-girlfriend even tho we dont even know her
Okay but you two are like this ultra attractive chick magnet when you’re together
You’re probably popular at school if you have Oikawa by your side 24/7, you probably have your own fangirls too
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Terushima Yuuji
Funny story, you and Terushima first became friends after he hit on you during your first year
“Hey, couldn’t help noticing you earlier, I’m Terushima but you can call me babe.”
“Okay, first of all, I’m gay. Second, what the hell was that pick up line? You’re never going to get anyone’s attention if that’s the best you’ve got.”
You two immediately became best friends
Your friendship mainly consisted of you teaching Terushima how to actually pick up girls at first but you two still stuck with each other even after he mastered the art that is being a fuckboy
i love him so much but come on, he’s a total fuckboy
Now your relationship mainly consists of vine references and you trying to revoke your knowledge of picking up girls from him
You regret teaching him those things all those years ago
In all seriousness though, you two are basically family to one another, he trusts you completely
And yeah, needless to say, he is totally supportive of you and loves you unconditionally
At first glance, you two look like an overly touchy couple, he always has his arm draped around you and isn’t afraid to kiss you on the cheek and forehead
He’s constantly surrounded by a whole number of girls but he always tells people that you’re his #1
You two constantly have these moments where you’re both out and a pretty girl walks by and you both just halt to a stop and check her out
Afterward, you both turn towards each other and freak out over how attractive she was
“Holy shit, (Y/N) she’s wearing a bi flag bracelet, go get her number.”
He always tries to set you up with other girls, you don’t even ask him to but he does anyways
“Are you free tomorrow?”
“Yeah, why?”
“Perfect, you have a date at 2, she'll pick you up at your place.”
“Wait, what—”
However, if you ever like someone then your boi Terushima will be your ultimate wingman
He just wants to see you happy okay?
So he will do absolutely anything to help you get your girl, no doubt about it
WILL FIGHT ANYONE FOR YOU
If anyone tries to hurt you then he’s gonna call the bois and beat them up, he will not let them slide
He will definitely go to pride with you, he’ll arrive clad in full rainbow attire
“What do you mean you won’t wear the matching rainbow cape, (Y/N) I paid good money for this.”
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TV | Leverage (Season 1, Rewatch)
Rewatch of the first season of TNT's LEVERAGE (2008-2012), created by John Rogers and Chris Downey together with Dean Devlin and his production company Electric Entertainment.
In anticipation of the show's reboot / revival / sequel LEVERAGE: REDEMPTION coming to IMDbTV on 09 July this year, I am rewatching the original 77 episodes and writing about my favourite moments and things from each episode, season by season.
(Just a note, this first season was aired out of order, so the dates won't actually form a chronology, since I'm going with the intended order rather than the one they were aired in.)
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101: THE NIGERIAN JOB
D: DEAN DEVLIN. W: JOHN ROGERS & CHRIS DOWNEY. Original Air Date: 07 December 2008.
I have lost count of how many times I have seen this episode (or any episodes of this show to be completely honest), but it holds up every single time. It is one of my favourite, if not the favourite TV pilot episode I have ever seen.
The way this pilot sets up who the main characters are and what the core of this show is, is simply perfect. The introduction of Nate at the bar being approached by Dubenich, then the intercut between him convincing Nate to do the job and the actual job happening -- just wonderful. The same goes for the individual introductions of the other players. Nate's comment about Parker ("no, but Parker is insane") which plants a thread for the rest of the show already, the flashbacks of each character to exemplify who they and what their talents are, combined with the episode then showing you those talents and what Nate can do with them -- which is, of course, his talent -- sets up this whole show so well.
So many seeds that come to fruition throughout the show are already planted right here. Nate's mentoring of Parker to become his eventual successor as Mastermind ("Haircuts, Parker, count the haircuts" -- "I would've missed that"), Eliot's role as protector, the iconic overhead shots and the gloating, the alternate revenue streams, "Hardison dies in Plan M" -- it's all already right here in this episode. A brilliant piece of writing. Hats off to Rogers and Downey, no questions asked.
Rewatching this episode made me think of what this show is about, in its essence. Yes, it is about standing up for those who can't do so themselves, taking on the bigger bad, showing how corrupt and terrible the world can be, but also how much good there is to still find in the world. But also, this show is about a lonely man being actively bullied into the family he didn't know he needed or wanted, but will eventually come to realise is the one thing, the only thing that is keeping him alive. LEVERAGE is the story of a man and his crusade to avenge the death of his child, but is is very much also the story of a man who finds a reason to keep getting up every morning in the four people who are on this crusade with him. And this pilot episode already holds the seed and the potential of all of that. And that is why this show is to this day still my favourite show of all time, because it is utterly perfect in every way.
102: THE HOMECOMING JOB
D: DEAN DEVLIN. W: JOHN ROGERS. Original Air Date: 09 December 2008.
I absolutely love how John Rogers was like okay first episode, some greedy asshole who does whatever he wants for his own gain, we'll take him down a notch. Episode two? Hmm, oh yeah, the government is completely corrupt, filled with rich greedy assholes who do whatever they want for their own gain and always get away with it. Not on my watch (I love him very much, thank you).
This episode, once again, so good. The re-introduction of every character in this new reality of Nate's crusade is just as brilliantly done as the original introduction of them all. Sophie at an audition (love the John Rogers cameo here) completely butchering it once again, Eliot beating up some thug, Parker stealing valuable art, and Hardison doing what he does best: creating a beautiful office-slash-home space for the team, putting his all into their backstories, the equipment, the behind-the-scenes workings of what they need to get the job done. My man.
The message of this particular episode is also just something I am very fond of. The rehab facility doctor's words in the beginning, and then in the end again -- "people don't just show up to help. that's not the way the world works" -- as well as Nate's ultimate answer to her, "so change the world." That right here is the message of this show. It's already right here, all up in your face, episode two.
I completely adore what this episode does for the character dynamics already. The detail Hardison puts into the other's backstories, the interactions around the conference table, Eliot sharing his knowledge, Nate explaining the money laundering scam, the whole thing about laws being in a wooden box, Sophie elaborating why she knew Congressman Jenkins was lying to her -- they don't just work together, they already start giving the others insight into their talents and their knowledge and share that. It's beautiful. I especially adore the shot of them at the end, everyone leaning against the car while watching Corporal Perry and the other veterans debating what to do with the money. They are already so comfortable and at ease with each other, leaning into each other's spaces. They're family. You can see it here already.
Absolutely fantastic episode. For a long time, whenever I thought about The Homecoming Job, I somehow associated a more negative emotion with it than with other episodes, but I don't quite know why, because this is a brilliant episode and I love watching it.
103: THE WEDDING JOB
D: JONATHAN FRAKES. W: CHRIS DOWNEY. Original Air Date: 13 January 2009.
We love Jonathan Frakes in this house and every single time his name shows up with the director tag on this show, I know that I will enjoy every last second of the episode I am about to watch. Frakes directed the hell outta this thing. The Wedding Job is an absolutely excellent episode. Dan Lauria as our main baddie Nicky Moscone is perfect casting and there are so many great comedic beats in the scenes with him and Nate. Everyone, generally, is so weirded out by Priest!Nate, but Moscone just takes the weirdness in stride. This episode holds a very special place in my heart because it contains the introduction of my favourite FBI duo -- McSweeten (McSweetheart, as we call him) and Taggert. I adore these two bumbling fools so much, and I am so glad they kept being brought back, because they are both just so lovely. McSweetheart especially is very dear to me because of the D.B. Cooper Job from the last season (where, I ask, do I start my McSweetheart for Leverage: Redemption campaign?). Overall just such an excellent episode, really. So many great moments between our main characters--Sophie and Nate and their little "relationship" problem, Hardison and Eliot talking about marriage, Parker pretending she was waiting in the screening room to have sex with Hardison, Hardison appreciating Eliot's cooking. I also absolutely adore the beginning, the four of them convincing Nate that Teresa is definitely the type of client they take on. And Nate's resigned "Yeah, okay, yeah. Let's go rob Nicky Moscone. A guy who kills people and lives in our city. Yeah, let's go do that" as if they weren't going to go above and beyond any of that in the five years they will spend together on this crusade of his. You're so precious, Nathan. Of course, the ending of this episode is beyond brilliant, and lives both in my heart and my head rent free. It is such a magnificent found family moment. Getting Teresa the restaurant back, the news footage regarding Ray's appeal, and of course, Eliot cooking for them all, and them celebrating together, all of them. It is such a beautiful moment.
104: THE SNOW JOB
D: TONY BILL. W: ALBERT KIM. Original Air Date: 27 January 2009.
I adore what the client says to Nate in the beginning of the episode: "You work hard, you play by the rules, but when you need help, you really need help? They let you hang. They let you hang and it's your kid who pays the price." This show hammers home its message so many times in such great character moments and it makes watching these brilliant people take on these greedy bastards and robbing them for all they've got that much sweeter. It is such a satisfying thing to watch. Especially because they're all so damn good at this.
This is a great episode but it is infinitely funnier if you know and speak German, because it makes the scenes between Sophie and Eliot absolutely hysterical. And the delivery of the line that Ute Ausgartner says when she discovers they replaced her with Sophie is just wrong enough to crack you up.
Again some wonderfully brilliant comedic beats -- the Frakes cameo in the hospital waiting room, Parker casually hanging off the ski lift, Hardison and Eliot arguing over who puts dye in the dead body, Eliot carrying off a pissed of Parker, and so many more.
This episode also, for the first time, really gives insight into Nate's drinking problem. We had the one moment in The Homecoming Job, but this episode starts to explore it more in depths. And something that I've always appreciated about this show is that it never glorifies the drinking, but Nate is also never vilified for it. It is a fact of Nate's life and they explore different aspects of it, and everything is done with such care (which does not surprise me one bit since this is John Rogers' show).
The ending of this episode is also, once again, so beautiful and nicely done. It is just so incredibly satisfying to watch these greedy bastards get what's coming to them, and to see the clients be compensated beyond anything they'd ask for.
105: THE MILE HIGH JOB
D: ROB MINKOFF. W: AMY BERG. Original Air Date: 20 January 2009.
Another fantastic episode (you will realise that I will say this about every single of the 77 episodes this show has)! Amy Berg wrote some excellent stuff for this show, and this episode is one of them. Always a lot of great character relationship moments, and absolutely brilliant comedic beats.
I am very fond of the fact that here, in the early days, we have the whole team present around the table during the client meeting. We see all their reactions and inputs here already, and not later when Nate or Hardison (usually) relays the information of their next job to the rest of the gang. It's a very lovely moment.
I am also very fond of the entire recon bit at the GenoGrow office. Sophie's French rave-girl act, the others having to climb stairs, Hardison's absence, the cut from Parker's bomb to the microwave at the HQ, Nate, Eliot and Parker yelling "Oh it's right behind us, it's chasing us!" and grabbing Sophie on the way out, meanwhile the security guys completely buying it. Absolutely brilliant, all the way through.
Both Hardison's adventure at GenoGrow as well as the others on the plane contain so many great comedic moments. Hardison's Spanish maintenance guy act, his interactions with both Cheryl and Steve (talking into the cupboard? His fake meeting and getting Steve to take a dive? The whole birthday thing? A+ all around. Amy Berg, everyone) and of course the reaction he has to the plane safely landing on the highway ("lord I was so scared, I wanna cry and call my momma" I love him so much, y'all). I also have big feelings about Nate's pep talk to Hardison, "you can do this, I trust you ... the only guy I can count on in a situation like this." Sir, I am experiencing an emotion alright.
The sequences on the plane are of course also absolutely fantastic. Nate and Sophie's domestic, Parker's day job and her interactions with Marissa, Eliot being a big softie who holds Marissa's hand all the way up to the in-flight bar and hugs the woman he sat down next to when they safely land (womaniser, big softie. tomayto, tomahto). Also big shoutout to the fake names Nate and Sophie have. We love our DOCTOR WHO references in this show. I love these nerds very much, thank you.
106: THE TWO HORSE JOB
D: CRAIG R. BAXLEY. W: MELISSA GLENN & JESSICA RIEDER (GRASL). Original Air Date: 16 December 2008.
This episode also holds a very special place in my heart because it contains the introduction of our dearly beloved antagonist, Mr Jim Sterling, the absolutely amazing Mark Sheppard. We love Sterling in this house, yessir (again, where do I have to address my Jim Sterling For Leverage: Redemption campaign to?). Every moment he is in is fantastic, but I especially adore the conversation he has with Nate at the race track (especially the "Nathan Ford is a common criminal" -- "Common. That's just hurtful" bit of it).
This, of course, is an episode by our wonder twins, Glenn and Rieder (now Grasl), which they ended up naming the in-universe safe company after. Always fantastic work when the two of them are involved. Some amazing character moments again here.
We get to see some of Eliot's backstory with Aimee which in turn gives us two fantastic moments with him and the women of the team. I love his interaction with Sophie at the racetrack: "I like Aimee, I do. I mean it, I like you both, Eliot. I just, I don't know what comes of chasing the past, you know." -- "Well Sophie, sweetie, I don't think you and Nate get to serve me that particular meal." Just fantastic moment between these two, who I like to call The Conference of Mom Friends whenever they are in scenes together. The other interaction is with Parker in the car: "We need you to do this. I need you to do this." I adore Eliot and Parker's relationship and this already is a very early glimpse at the dynamic they develop which will eventually lead to beautiful moments like that in the ice cave in The Long Way Down Job in season four.
I also love how it is Hardison and Parker's discussion about horses that ultimately reminds Nate of the Lost Heir con. Aldis' delivery of "Wilbur loved Mr Ed! He loved him like a second cousin twice removed" is absolutely brilliant. Unsurprisingly, however, my favourite interaction of this episode is the one Eliot has with Aimee at the end: "You're never gonna be the kind to settle down, but I'm glad you found a family." -- "Th-those guys?" Yes, Eliot, those guys. You might not know it just yet, but that is absolutely your family, and the fact that an outsider already comments on it this early is simply perfect. My deepest gratitude to you, wonder twins.
107: THE BANK SHOT JOB
D: DEAN DEVLIN. W: AMY BERG. Original Air Date: 30 December 2008.
Amy Berg on the typewriter once again (typewriter? Alex what are you talking about this was 2008...)! I really like this episode a whole lot. An excellent one for Nate/Sophie, as well as Hardison/Parker. I have a huge soft spot for my crime children pretending to be law enforcement. Any combination of them is good, but Parker and Hardison as FBI agents especially is just exquisite.
This episode is also just fantastic for illustrating some of the small town criminal activity that happens from the top down. Judge Roy's entire bit about how "these little people" will do and say whatever he tells them to do and that, because he is the law in the town, he gets to decide what is actually true and what is not. To then have Hardison fake security footage and them turning the story against Judge Roy is of course poetic justice. I adore the moment when the bank manager Frank decides that sticking with the false facts these random people have come up with is the better choice than having the judge remain in charge.
I also really love the interaction Derrick has with Sophie and then later with Parker, as well as the moment of uncertainty in-between. His "I don't know what to do with that" when Sophie tells him she's a thief is so funny and so good. The turn of "but they're criminals....then again" when he looks out of the window on the way to Parker is also just a nice moment to illustrate exactly what Parker then later says, "sometimes bad guys are the only good guys you get." Ethics and justice are such muddy concepts and especially in situations like Derrick is currently in, there is no way of knowing who is actually good, who is bad, and who is just trying their best. It is a lovely moment and once again, one of those great instances of "important message within character moment" that this show does so well.
Of course, I am also very fond of Hardison's mention of DOCTOR WHO, his "Geek power baby, stay strong" line, Eliot's fight scene with the crack dealers ("stay in the car!"), Hardison's bullshitting the demands at the bank (Hall & Oates!) and, of course, last but not least, the return of my favourite FBI fools, McSweetheart and Taggert, getting yet another win laid in their lap by the Leverage crew. This episode is filled to the brim with greatness.
108: THE MIRACLE JOB
D: ARVIN BROWN. W: CHRISTINE BOYLAN. Original Air Date: 23 December 2008.
An absolutely excellent Nate-centric episode! We finally get a bit more of a view into Nate's past, aside from the ever-present flashback to Sam's death at the hospital. I really like the relationship of Nate and Father Paul, which I think is very interesting and so well done. Through Paul we get another side of Nate, which may have stayed hidden otherwise. I am also very fond of how Maggie is introduced here. She doesn't get a voice yet, but we learn about her through Nate, Sophie and also Paul, and I quite like that. It sets up expectations for her appearance in the finale, which is really intriguing.
This episode has so many great comedic beats as well, and I barely even know where to begin. From the team's inability to deal with Sophie's acting talents (or lack thereof) to the whole "It's not Santa" gag, the amazing faces Sophie pulls when the mark tells her about Bibletopia, Hardison's "God will smite us" thing -- there is just too much good stuff in this episode.
One of my favourite interactions in this episode was on the construction site, after Grant takes what he thinks are his meds.
Sophie: What is that you just took? Grant: Xanax. For my nerves. Parker: Actually caffeine. With a dash of dextroamphetamine. Eliot: You have him speed? Hardison, shrugging: He beat up a priest!
The look Eliot gives them then with a half-shrug, an expression which cannot be described as anything but "aight, fair enough" -- just absolutely excellent.
What I also really loved about this episode, is that we get to see more of the HQ than just the conference room. We have the team meeting in Nate's office, we see Sophie picking through her mail, Hardison making space so he can build fake Saint Nick statues. Added to that, the team is setting into such a nice familiarity with each other. Eliot brings Sophie a cup of coffee to the meeting in Nate's office. The fact that they all do get mail at the office. This is their space. I love it so much.
What this episode also gives us, is a first instance of the con possibly going side-ways because of how convincing it is. I adore that their possible downfall will never be incompetence, but rather over-competence. They are so good at what they do that sometimes their talent comes to bite them in the ass. We see this again, a bit different, in The Juror #6 Job.
The ending of this episode is very dear to me. It is a very lovely moment between Nate and Paul, but also Nate and the team. It creates such a beautiful moment of intimacy between these characters, which I think is done with extreme care, and it shows. This episode also very nicely sets up a nice sort of grounded-ness for the next episode, which I think the subject matter really deserves and needs.
109: THE STORK JOB
D: MARC ROSKIN. W: ALBERT KIM. Original Air Date: 06 January 2009.
This one and the next episode are excellent Parker-centric plots and this one in particular also has some wonderful Parker/Hardison content. Nate, also, is just very good in this episode as well. Keeping the tone the last episode established especially toward the end, this episode has such a nice grounded-ness to it. Nate's first meeting with the client is so careful in a way, and we don't always see that. Generally, Nate is careful and considerate in this episode, I think. Even when Parker goes rogue, he is so good with Parker (I attribute the brashness entirely to his director role here). It meant so much that he doesn't shoot down the idea of coming back for the other orphans, he knows how important this is to Parker (and Hardison).
With this episode we learn that both Parker and Hardison have grown up in the foster system. I really adore the conversation they have at the van after they find out about the orphanage -- Hardison telling Parker about his Nana, Parker's fear that foster system will be cruel to those children, Hardison's "I like how you turned out" -- it is such a lovely and meaningful moment. This and the "we're a team" / "a little more than a team" moments are such great instances that highlight the importance of these characters and their relationships in this show. It isn't just some crime procedural where every characters is replaceable at any given moment -- this show is about people, and about these specific people.
On a lighter note, I also really adore Nate and Sophie's dynamic in this. How they coach Parker and Eliot individually but at the same time, while also arguing about Sophie conning Nate back in the day, is just brilliant. Their "delightful banter" as Hardison calls it, is so good, and I absolutely love that Nate figures out the way to con Irina is the same way he would have to con Sophie. It's just too good.
David S. Lee as Nicholas is also incredibly good, although since watching THE LIBRARIANS I always expect him to swoon over a blonde and call her Duchess any minute.
110: THE JUROR #6 JOB
D: JONATHAN FRAKES. W: REBECCA KIRSCH. Original Air Date: 10 February 2009.
The lighter of the two Parker-centric episodes, but a brilliant one nonetheless. This episode also brings us the introduction of Peggy played by the lovely Lisa Schurga. We love Peggy in this house and, once again, I ask: where do I address my Peggy For Leverage: Redemption campaign to?
This episode is great for many different reasons, one of course being that Hardison is so good at what he does, that Parker's alias has to go to jury duty. What a talent, we absolutely have no choice but to stan. I love him so much. Other fantastic things that make this episode absolutely excellent are
- Nate's "there is not some evil conspiracy lurking behind the curtain of every routine civic activity" speech which he then has to retract,
- Sophie teaching Parker about persuasion with the help of Eliot who is absolutely precious in this interaction,
- Eliot's friend Donnie, who poses as another employee from the company Sophie pretends to be from, who then turns out to be Scottish,
- Nate and Sophie sending the kids off to work at the door, with a briefcase and handshake for Hardison and a snack and high-five for Parker,
and Hardison's entire act as a lawyer. He is so good. Of course his stalling is brilliant, but the turn-around once he has to actually try and win the trial? A masterpiece. I love how he tears the doctor apart for his drunken airplane misconducts, but what takes the cake by miles is of course his closing statement. He is just, so good, and such a goodhearted, wonderful person. I love how he directly addressed Parker. Hardison is full of sunshine and I love. him. so. much.
And I would be remiss not to mention how incredibly fond I am of the rest of the team watching the feed of the jury room from the HQ with such proud looks on their faces as Parker leads the other jury members and they vote in favour of the plaintiff. This is their girl and she's done so well. What a brilliant episode. My love to Becky Kirsch, honestly.
111: THE 12-STEP JOB
D: ROD HARDY. W: AMY BERG & CHRIS DOWNEY. Original Air Date: 03 February 2009.
Another episode, another instance of me asking the question: Where do I address my Hurley for Leverage: Redemption campaign to? We love Hurley! Drew Powell is absolutely fantastic, I adore him. Also huge shoutout to Joseph LoDuca for that absolute banger of a song that plays during the intro and the credits.
This episode has some fantastic Eliot/Hardison moments that are very dear to me. The two of them looking for Hurley and fighting over Hardison's slushy spill is just lovely. The whole car bomb sequence is also just completely brilliant. It's such a step in their relationship and I love it so much. The moment of "D'you want me to kick it?" / "God, I'm gon' die" is a wonderful comedic beat in this tense situation, but it is the bit after that I really adore. Hardison figuring out how to trick the bomb and then,
Eliot: What's our margin of error here? Hardison: 'bout half a second. Eliot: Run the ba-bag of bricks by me again? Hardison: Are you ready? Eliot: No.
I am just, so fond of these two. Also the fact that Eliot's hand shakes when he reaches for the cables and waits for Hardison's signal always puts me all up in my feelings about him. I also of course adore the scene at the rehab facility with Hardison's "I'm with him. No, I am with him. See, he thinks the flirting makes me jealous, but it doesn't. But if you was like Brad Pitt or Denzel or somebody, oh girl it would be on." It love it so much.
Nate, of course, is also just great in this episode. His entire experience in rehab is another wonderful insight into his character, his issues, how he sees himself and so on. The hallucination of Sterling says so much about him. I think this also very nicely sets up how Nate behaves in the finale double episode.
I also really want to mention Parker here, because Parker in rehab is also something I am very fond of. I love the moment where she pickpockets the Koreans searching for Hurley and then so innocently comes to Nate to confess what she's done and tells him in this tiny voice "I didn't meant to, it was just instinct." I love her so much. And her, at the end of the episode, skipping along and then running toward her people, jumping on Eliot while tossing her stuff at Nate, and then going to hug Hardison, is such a lovely moment. I love how the three of them then walk toward the car arm in arm, too. I love these kids.
112: THE FIRST DAVID JOB
D: DEAN DEVLIN. W: JOHN ROGERS. Original Air Date: 17 February 2009.
First half of the first finale! I gotta say I really love the David Jobs very much. It is such a fantastic first finale. I really adore how the opening of this episode is mirrored in the opening of the second half.
Given the set-up of the previous episode, I really like how for a first time watcher, this opening sequence very much looks like Nate is completely off the rails doing his own thing getting revenge on the man who, basically, killed his son. It isn't until Blackpoole introduces Nate to 'Portia' and we see Sophie turn around that it becomes clear that we're on the con, which I think is done very nicely. Only then giving the viewer the "how we got here" part is just great.
This episode of course also brings us, finally, Maggie (yes, I'll ask again: where do I address my Maggie For Leverage: Redemption campaign to?). I absolutely love how she is introduced here as Eliot's date. I also love how absolutely terrified Eliot looks once he realises that she isn't just anyone, but Nate's ex-wife. Maggie is such an excellent character, and I adore her. I also am very appreciative that this episode holds the singular moment of jealousy Sophie has toward Maggie. After her momentary outburst as Maggie tells Nate she hasn't stopped caring about him, we never see it again. Even better, once Maggie learns about Nate's crew, Sophie and her even become friends. And it is lovely.
We also have some great Parker/Hardison moments in this episode as well. I adore Parker and her enthusiasm for their "little naked man" and Hardison being weirded out about it (and turning the little David around so Parker can change in private). I, of course, absolutely love the kiss (and Eliot's grinning question at Sophie who of the two of them Parker had kissed) and then the theft of the First David. Hardison is so in awe of Parker and it is a sight to behold.
I also quite enjoy the "downfall" in this episode. Sterling showing up (we love the bastard), the fight between Eliot and Mr Quinn, the conversation about Sophie conning them on the roof, and then of course the final confrontations on that same roof as well as the HQ. This whole thing of "and then I asked myself, what would Parker do?" / "but then I thought, what would Hardison do?" is just brilliant and lovely. It shows how far they have all come throughout this first season and how much they have learned from each other already. I am very fond of it.
I am sad about the offices being blown up, though. As much as I love both McRory's pub and Nate's apartment in Boston, as well as the Brewpub in Portland, I've always really liked the LA offices as well. It was their first home and it was lovely. I am however very happy that Old Nate made it out unscathed.
113: THE SECOND DAVID JOB
D: DEAN DEVLIN. W: JOHN ROGERS & CHRIS DOWNEY. Original Air Date: 24 February 2009.
And the last episode! As I've said above, I adore how this opening sequence mirrors that of The First David Job. Similarly, I also love how until Sophie notices Parker's laser pointer and Eliot sees Hardison, as a viewer you assume they are on the job together, which is again the reversal of the first half of the finale. Just lovely storytelling, I adore it. Speaking of mirrors, the scene in the MC Hammer mansion where Nate inconspicuously manages to get them all thinking about the con together and putting their differences aside once more, also mirrors one of my favourite scenes from the first episode of season two, where the team does the same to Nate.
This episode on the whole I also just marvellous. Eliot's awkward date with Maggie, Nate finally telling Maggie about Blackpoole's involvement (or lack thereof) in Sam's death, the team involving Maggie in the planning of the con and her, precious as she is, questioning Nate's ability to just get people to do what he wants -- it is all just so good. I love Maggie on the con, too. Sophie coaching her, how good Maggie is at it immediately. Just lovely.
Then, of course, the entirety of the con from the moment Nate shows up at the museum. Sterling hurrying all over the place trying to figure out what Nate's plan is, finding out about the mummy, the release of the gas, the evacuation, the David statue replicas, them finally getting in and finding Nate alone in the exhibit room. I adore that shot of him leaning against the display case with the two Davids still inside, only highlighted from the open hatch in the roof. It is such a beautiful shot. I really enjoy Nate and Sterling's dynamic here, too. And I am very happy that Maggie gets to punch Blackpoole just like Nate got to in the episode before. They both deserve to give this man hell.
The ending of this episode and therefore this season always has me in all of my emotions. If I didn't know there would be more after this, I would just go lie down and weep for a while after watching it. The trademark overhead walkaway shot is of course a must, but the fact that they stop, that all of them hesitate, thinking about turning around, thinking about changing their minds. And then it cuts to black, and if this had been it, we would've never known! Ah, what a show, what a first season. I am completely in love with this show, as pretty much everyone knows, but I just -- this show is so damn good. It gets me every single time. Every time.
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