At what point in time do you think the original timeline McFly family started being dysfunctional? I’m sure George and Lorraine were fully in love at first, and Lorraine even still in the 80s seems to look back fondly when recalling how they fell in love. But I do wonder when exactly it started to go downhill, when they started having kids? Just with age? Or maybe it was never really great to begin with before Marty got involved
This is a really interesting ask, and it's something that I've thought about a handful of times. The Twin Pines McFlys fascinate me.
As for my own headcanons about when the dysfunction started, I think it was always there. Dysfunction within families is complex, though, so it likely ebbed and flowed and morphed over the years. Some thoughts! (hehehe, analysis and theories incoming)
I 100% believe George and Lorraine were fully in love at first and are even still in love when we meet them in 1985. It's just that life has beaten them both down in various ways, and they've lost touch with each other and fallen into a pattern of being resigned to (and maybe even comfortable with) all the disconnect within their family. But there's no mistaking the fondness with which Lorraine begins her story of how she and George met and the way it shifts to such sadness within just a few seconds. Her question of, "It was the night of that terrible thunderstorm, remember, George?" is such a clear bid for connection with him. A hope that he'll smile and recall that night and join in on her story. That's what Lorraine wants! But George doesn't even acknowledge her (not on purpose, I'm sure; he's just so wrapped up in watching The Honeymooners), and you see Lorraine gradually deflate from there.
It's so sad because you can see the emotions shift so suddenly in her! That first gif still holds such affection as she recalls their first kiss. It's like she's a girl again, feeling that overwhelming sense of love and all the possibilities for their life together. But then it changes. She's brought back to reality and all the unhappiness, the disappointments, the realization that life isn't what she imagined for herself.
By the last gif, she's a woman who clearly feels trapped. Now stuck with this guy for the rest of her life. And what makes it so awful is that you can TELL Lorraine still loves him. She longs for that happiness they once had, but it takes two people putting in effort to make a marriage work. She can try to reach George all she wants, but if he can't be emotionally present, it isn't going to work.
Also, I'm sure that George loves Lorraine as well, but he's got a whole plethora of issues that just. Haven't been addressed. George has no self-worth. He's meek and lets people walk all over him and is so completely anxious about everything in life that he's mostly shut down. He's trapped too, with no way (that he can see) to change things. So he does what he can to survive, which consists of doing Biff's bidding and retreating to an inner world at the expense of shutting his family out.
I don't think things were always to this extreme, though. For a while I'm sure things were okay, maybe even good. They were young and in love, and while George was still George, I don't think life had defeated him yet. They got married, really established their little life together, and I can see them as both having hope. And even if there were moments that seemed shaky or hinted that things might be difficult down the road, it was easy to brush it aside. They were still finding their footing, and they were young and had their whole future together to make things better. In all honesty, Dave probably got to experience the "best" versions of his parents for the first several years of his life.
However, each year and every hardship (big and small) likely chipped away at the McFlys and brought about additional dysfunction. I don't know if Biff and George started working with each other right out of high school or if they came to work those jobs later on, but I'm sure that was a huge factor. It offered no escape from Biff for either George or Lorraine. Just a predictable cycle of George having to do whatever Biff told him, Biff invading their home whenever he pleased, and everyone having to watch George immediately tuck his tail between his legs.
As I said, I think things gradually kind of unraveled in their house. As the state of their family became more solidified, Lorraine likely began drinking more and withdrawing. I do think they still had their good days, though! Moments that brought them together and where they felt that happiness they once shared (I mean, they had three children together, and it's clear Dave, Linda, and Marty ARE loved and were raised well.) But the state of the McFly household is probably all Marty has known for the majority of his life. I can see situations arising where maybe Dave has told him, "They weren't always like this, you know."
Dysfunctional as they are, George and Lorraine really are trying. I think they can absolutely see the cracks and the flaws—perhaps even the potential damage being caused to their children—but they just have too much brokeness inside themselves to do better. So, they do what they can, which for George involves trying to protect his children's feelings by discouraging them from taking risks. He doesn't want them hurt or sad or disappointed, and his solution is to have them form shells around themselves. Better to save yourself from all the headaches life brings.
Lorraine does her best to protect and guide her kids by way of warning them away from the very things that brought her to where she is in life. We see this manifest in the form of criticism mostly when she's talking to Marty.
Lastly even with Lorraine seeming as downtrodden as she is, I can see her clinging to the possibility of change. Hoping and praying that eventually, George would say enough was enough and stand up for himself. He'd put his foot down, step up as a husband and father, and things would become what she always wanted. She was the one always telling herself, "Someday. Someday..." until the point we see her at during the dinner scene, where she knows that "someday" isn't going to ever happen. Things are just the way they are, and she has to deal with it.
This was a lot, but I have a lot of feelings about the McFly family and how they operated in their day to day life. Especially the implications of the McFly sibs (Marty in particular!) being raised in such an emotionally disjointed environment. Ugh, those gifs of Lorraine make me so sad. The whole thing is sad.
Thanks for the ask, though! I want to write another Twin Pines McFly fic now.
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I’ve thought about this for years and always assumed that I was overly dramatic or naïve to not want character death in the fictional stories I read, but I’ve come to realize that no, it’s just if the author made me care about the character and they HAVE to die I want it to mean something.
Is this realistic? No. But if I wanted realistic I would turn on the news.
If I can argue a character’s death didn’t actually affect the plot or narrative, then not only does the death feel pointless, so does the entire character. Like you just wrote that character to die or you wrote them and then couldn’t find a way to make them go away.
And in my personal opinion that feels like lazy writing. That feels like the author didn’t plan this out or wrote themselves into a corner, and the second that happens I lose all trust in the author’s ability to give me a satisfying story.
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I admire a lot of people on Tumblr. Hilarious people. Amazing writers who make my day better. It’s how I get through my day. Pathetic? Maybe 🤷🏻♀️
Sadly, as much as I am in here, I have no friends on here. How big of a loser am I?? 😩
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The trap of enlightenment in Bloodborne
Tbh I think the ‘Kos hates humans’ impression, whereas could be true, might miss some nuances?
According to Simon, Hunter’s Nightmare is a place specifically for blood-drunk hunters - an easy parallel to draw with those that murdered citizens of Fishing Hamlet! It is not supposed to target humans in general, only those indulging in the ‘Hunters’ practice - a thing often hinted in lore as a quest doomed by design but benefiting a kinda corrupt (or ‘insidious’ deity).
But also, I feel like Fishing Hamlet residents were pretty comfortable living with their sea mom before Old Hunters ruined everything! From how they speak, they’ve been loyal to Kos ever since she was beached ashore, and aware she was pregnant. Whether mutation was voluntary or not, they definitely resent what hunters done more than what happened to their bodies.
Patients of the Research Hall were trying to get in tune with the ‘sea’, as in earlier Healing Church days, Arcane was associated with the water, and it is very easy to assume that Milkweed was the voice of Kos. It gives me a strong impression that not only Kos encouraged Adeline, who wished Insight enough to wade through horrors that driven other patients crazy, to seek the ‘stars’ for salvation, but maybe herself fallen victim of hunger for Insight - that is stimulated by parasites that possibly sickened her body!
I pointed out already that parasites found within Kos resemble Brainsuckers very much, and I think it makes sense! Tiny parasites resembling a specific type of Kin that sucks your Insight out, you know? The very type that easily could stimulate hunger for eyes.
It is sort of why I don’t think Fishing Hamlet fish-people dwellers were “cursed” by Kos parasite - they look nothing alike, and they seem to be more interested in living in harmony with their Great One than in research for Eldrich Truth. If anything, their mutation seems more like adaptation (similar to spider people such as Patches, with Amygdalas they worship)
We can conclude that Eye is the rune representing the voice that comes from Ebrietas, but also that she is more or less a pawn of the ‘Moon’ on Earth - aware of her twisted role or not. Nonetheless, her resemblance with celestial larvae isn’t accidental, and it goes beyond sharing the way their wings look.
So, essentially, Research Hall patients end up being tortured by whatever they witness in the ‘Sea’, meanwhile whatever the ‘Stars’ are offering are their salvation; nonetheless, the knowledge that Kos (or “ocean” at least) offered Adeline suggests seeking the ‘stars’, and don’t forget the way that OoK cries towards the moon!
Honestly? It feels less like Kos deciding to hate the whole humanity in general, but more like the ‘marine’ enlightenment is not morally aligned (unlike ‘divine’ Star/Moon enlightenment and ‘cursed’ enlightenment Amygdalas and alike offer). If you are a horrible, sinful human being - you will suffer; if you are open and in a way naiive (like Adeline) - you will be mere fascinated by the mysteries.
Moreover, again - it is possible that Kos fell for the trap herself - after all, she has humanoid face, so maybe she herself ascended from a mortal once and came to wish for more knowledge. Or in this case, parasites tainted her with the desire for Insight? We know that the ‘Moon’ is insidious and somehow benefits for the cursed cycle of bloodshed and hunt, yet there is a large layer of ‘facade’ covering her motivations and own depravity, in the form of starry Arcane and Ebrietas and illusion of salvation and Insight.
But all in all, Kos might be not even herself be all aware of the motivations of the ‘Moon’ - so she wishes to be saved from pain and dread that caught up with her even through she herself transcended humanity long time ago! And so even people who waded through all horrors such as Adeline (and Rom I presume) were offered just the ‘seek the Stars for Insight and salvation’. Because Adeline envisioned Milkweed that suggests lumenweed reaching for the stars, and because Ebrietas weeps the corpse that looks much like Rom. Rom also bleeds grey from her head if you hurt her in the Lake area - ‘grey’ blood is very specific for cosmic Kin, too!
Alternatively, Kos is bitter towards humanity, not necessarily hateful. She tells those that try to reach her - ‘Go away and seek the corrupt Moon that governs this world and hunters, maybe this will give you peace!’. But in the middle there are ‘Stars’, that offer illusion of purity and knowledge. Maybe she thinks that by nature humans are not ready for true Insight and the “Sea”, and they are better off (and safer, and kinder) under protection and total control of Stars and Moon... Ignoring what happened to Ludwig and what the ‘Moon’ really wants, apparently.
...or maybe Kos knew of the depraved ‘true’ form behind the ‘Stars’ from the start, Fishing Hamlet priests didn’t know better and had all TOO dignified opinion on her, and Kos and Flora been corrupt lesbians from the start, working against humanity to trap them into vicious cycle from the get go and her “death“ was to curse humanity with search for the Insight and the vicious cycle ( x ) from the get go.
We just don’t know fhhdfs
I guess it depends on how noble and dignified you want to make Kos be?
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