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#where they both project onto each other (Helen as a manipulation tool and jon as a manifestation of guilt) and hate each other
welcometogrouchland · 2 years
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I might be stupid but. Rotating the weird connection made between psychiatric practice and the spiral + the Jon/Helen and Helen/Melanie dynamics in my mind...
#ramblings of a lunatic#the magnus archives#jonathan sims#melanie king#is this anything???#this is less analytical and more speculative ig#just like. we never get Jon's thoughts on recieving professional help in the series proper but#there's some interesting evidence that points to him not wanting it or perhaps having had a negative experience with it?#martin says he apparently talked to jon about therapy in season 2 and jon brushed him off#and there's a lot of subtext to be read into various season 5 statements#where it could be argued that even the ones less explicitly meant to mirror jons situation could be applied to him in certain ways#and obviously. 177 and doctor david#and then obviously he has a very distinct dynamic with Helen#where they both project onto each other (Helen as a manipulation tool and jon as a manifestation of guilt) and hate each other#despite the tentative common ground they share (ppl who became monsters even though it's very different for both of them)#(re: jon was still like. a person in terms of his internal being if not his physical one whereas Helen was just sort of. subsumbed by the-#-distortion)#so that's like. a whole thing#then obviously Melanie found a friend of sorts in Helen between seasons 3 and 4 for reasons we're never really told?#beyond Helen helping with the meat attack#and then obviously melanie actively sought help because she knew it was what was best for her and would help her get her life back#i already did meta once on how Melanie is very susceptible to the spiral and how Helen likely zeroed in on this when gaining her trust#I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this other than#idk. i want a character study fic that involves jon and melanie giving their equally valid but contrasting views on getting outside help#all while helen plays on their emotions in a horrifying way embodying two elements of the spiral at the same time#though then again a lot of ppl are rightfully iffy about the way tma handled the subject matter in 177#and thus something like this might not land well with a lot of ppl#which is fair and I'm not. idk asking it to be written? so much as thinking about connections that can be drawn and how#i probably didn't explain myself to the best of my abilities here. i am very tired after all ...#i also listened the fuckin. the will wood song. you know the one. Marsha
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