Can I tap on the wellspring knowledge of your BL encyclopedia levels of sageness? I'm honestly a little bit stomped, discombobulated, mystified.
Whyever do I seem to grow onto Why R U? as much as it would seem I somehow do?
Or maybe I should rephrase the question:
What ingredients does Why R U? juggle around with to somehow cook up its dish the way it does?
I really just watched this out of silly completism after Make it Right (which I didn't even really like all that much). Coming from there I expected a sort of globmess in terms of narrative and pacing, and... kind of got that served as expected? And as I watched it there were frowns, eyerolls, speed ups, cheek twitches over too much music inserts (whatever is the deal with that random guy on the stage before Saifah and Zon have theirs which is at least plot relevant?) a good deal of "this is somehow really dumb, DUMB", irritating fujoshi cutouts (Zol was okay in the end tho), too much cheese overdosing, too much spice overdosing, too much suffering sob story melodrama and me wrestling with somehow being viciously faceblind to every single character until about very late stretches of the series and also just wondering why I was still on it. Watching it the first time round was not really fun. It was patience taxing. I got the first little lol maybe in the last 3 minutes of the main series. And then a week passed and another and some more and somehow there's a whole bunch of recurring twitches calling for rewatches. (Which also have now been satisfied beyond the excuse of "maybe it's just that I feel a little bit bad about meanly trashing over it in my head like I did when I didn't even watch it that attentively.") That's a clear indicator I actually like something. Probably a lot.
I just have a tricky time putting my finger on why. I found some, but they hardly seem to justify a show crush in dimensions like this. If I try to ask my rationale it much rather comes up with more reasons why I shouldn't be liking this. It's pretty loud about elements that go against my established personal taste (as I am aware of right now, e.g. I know it's famed for its depiction of High Heat with good chemistry, but I don't like High Heat all that much.... or at least I thought I didn't....?) And objectively, it's not like it's a sort of every frame is a painting piece of work with very good direction production values, narratively the pace is all over the place at times as well. (I also still don't quite get what the third pair was good for. Establishing Zol as this world's creator-goddess of sorts with the power to enforce ships? And then Zon taking up the conclusion narrative is even literally kicking them out of relevancy when he says that this tale was just about the four of them?)
A bizarre case on a mystery level like this drops about once or twice per decade and typically also takes about as much time to be fully unriddled. Or at least the last two ones did. But going through some of your tropes collection posts I found some more hints pointing to... probably newly found soft spots for narrative and visual tropes?
So basically, is there more worthy of note than what I already found out to check out for verification? Just what does the show seem to be doing so right?
The preliminary list of candidates I made out so far:
Eyes emoting
vs. full body dramaturgy (You did that post on Saint's physicality, but it kind of feels like both of the two main pairs keep contrasting more crass bolder movements against loads of eyeing around...?)
A touch of meta and tropey self-awareness. (I really like the manga of Zettai BL and Bad Buddy's last line was a riot for me.)
Mild Tsundere x Dork x Overwhelmed disaster handfuls notoriously busy with having a few freakouts
Like loads of "What is thiiiiiis" or "How did it wind up being like this???" exasperation. (This is totally me with this show.)
Paired with a character that has the uberhuman ability to handle them without winding up needing therapy for babysitting burnout (Saifah, what's your secret?)
Enemies to Lovers, but the former is more like attraction misconstrued as irritation
excessive amounts of pillow hugs in all sorts of flavors
excessive amounts of shoulder leans
notorious amounts of puff your cheeks up
run away in a flight response and get caught again (maybe? It does suspiciously show up in Utskushii Kare and Bad Buddy too...)
bob your chin over x (although I am not entirely sure if it's this or if it's because Zon uses it to make Saifah stop his guitar zippery already. Anything that makes them put that damned guitar away might be more welcome for cheers than I was aware of so far)
Miscommunication, but they actually sit there and try wringing that needd talk out from pretty much the beginning all the time, so it's more down to characters speaking different languages rather than all being idiots too awkward to even open their mouths.
The teased knows how to turn things around to tease back, even more viciously if needed (This suspiciously also shows up in Bad Buddy)
probably this means vice dynamics?
Although SaifahZon kinda are adorkable, too
picturesque piggyback rides? Maybe? cocks head left and right and right back
??????
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Honestly Why R U? is such a mess.
But I'm the same as you. On first watch I was like... I don't know... but the chemistry is good. I actively disliked Siafah Zon tho. Like I watched a bit in the first few eps and then skipped their part. I think I didn't do an actual watch of their story until the reshoot extras came out and even now they are just a bit to cheesy cringe for me.
I think your list is pretty exhaustive. But there is one more thing...
sometimes we like a thing because we like a thing.
like there is no really good reason for it and we (especially me, and apparently you) can hunt about and try to explain it, or can gravitate to one spectacular reason (I fell like this is me and color rush) but sometimes it defies explanation.
For me one of those is Oxygen, objectively there isn’t a whole lot to recommend it (I mean it’s fine but for the amount of times I’ve rewatched it, fine is not a sufficient moniker). I just LOVE that show.
I think trying to figure out a show crush is like trying to figure out a person crush. Odd and possibly eventually tempered by persistent exposure.
Sometimes it’s not about the show’s internal chemistry and narrative qualities or filming or anything, it’s about your chemistry WITH that show.
After all you two are in a relationship (bit one sided, but that’s part of what crush means, unrequited).
And sometimes it’ll last and sometimes it wont.
This is kinda and odd place to go but follow me here:
one of things we don’t talk about or really acknowledge enough is that we can have friendship and/or plutonic crushes on other people. People you don’t necessarily want to bone or romance, but you do just really LOVE spending time with.
I realized this recently with one of my besties. She’s basically MY person. We couldn’t live together but we have been literally trapped in a safe room together for 8 hours and never stopped talking (or enjoying each other’s company). 20 years strong and I still have a crush on her. I mean 20 years makes this an oversimplification about our relationship, but you get what I mean?
Similarly, I think sometimes we just find shows and were like: oh this is MY show, in the same way. No so much that it was made for me, but that I jive with it more then, objectively, I should.
You’re a food analogy person, so maybe that’s an easier way to think about it. This kind of crushing can be like a particular dish.
Tom Kha in its iterations has been my favorite biggest comfort food my whole life. I can’t imagine anyone not liking it. I can analyze and explain why it is the greatest, most complex, and sophisticated combination of flavors ever plopped into a bowl, but I know there are people who don’t like coconut and others for whom it is too sour or too spicy.
It’s about how my taste is perfectly meshed with that soup.
That said, I am currently experiencing deep crush on khao soi and an even deeper one on sundubu jjigae, so... yeah I’m fickle.
Seriously tho, if you’re into Korean food sundubu jjigae is like the neglected child no one knows about. I like the super spicy veg version with lots of mushrooms. Fuck it’s so good.
Well that devolved quickly. I must be hungry.
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Okay so wrote a fanfic for some reason...and keep in mind that this was before I knew about dim and green and before I knew about tines brother:
He didn’t want to go to his cousins place, why couldn’t he come to their? Wouldn’t it be better if he came over to their house?
(At least he would get some homemade food instead of ordering and this meant that he had had to leave his guitar classes with Saifah for a week.)
And after that he had to visit four more cousins and two family friends.
How would he be able to do this, Shia, why did he agree to this again?
...right because he wouldn’t let his sister go to all of them alone.
Trust Zol to want to visit all of them
Two weeks before the charity concert
And he didn’t want that.
But he knew he had to go or else his parents would nag at him for months.
So he went…with his sister. Not his parents.
Yes, the people who wanted him to go won’t go themselves.
Whatever, he just had to survive for a week and then he would be free to do whatever he wanted for a month.
A week that’s it, and he would be with his favorite cousin too, so that was a plus, wasn’t it?
He looked over to where Zol had been sitting; she was again writing that stupid BL fiction of hers.
Like as if he was ever gonna like Saifah, they both hated each other...maybe… he didn’t know what they were anymore.
Saifah had tried to kiss him, but he was just making fun of him, right? And it didn’t mean anything.
He was just making fun of him, that’s all it was, nothing else.
He groaned ‘Saifah has some sort of weird power’ he thought ‘how else would he be able to take over my thoughts all the time?’
It had nothing to do with how his stomach felt fluttery whenever Saifah’s hand would, even, lightly touch him.
He needed advice, and he knew exactly where he would get it from.
Tine had had lots of girlfriend’s right? He would know what to do. He would know when someone was serious or not, he had to.
Zon didn’t know what else he would do if Tine didn’t know what to do.
He glanced over to his grinning sister, would he have to ask Zol for advice?
He shuddered, no whatever happens he is never gonna go to her for advice. She would probably freak out because she would get more things that she would write in her fiction.
‘I’ll just get some sleep’ he thought, no use fretting over something that was not real right?
So he slept through the whole ride to his cousin’s place. He knew Tine would give him some good advice so he wasn’t worried.
Zol shook him awake; they had reached where Tine’s dorm was.
His parents had told him that Tine was gonna pick both of them up when they reached.
He grabbed his sister’s hand, he didn’t want her to get lost and end up something bad happen to her.
He called his cousin.
“Ai’Tine where are you we have already reached” Zon looked around
“I'm here I'm here!” Zon heard Tine behind him
“P’Tine!” Zol hugged her cousin
“Hello, Zon, Zol” Tine said laughing
“So how was the ride here? Zon didn’t bother you did he?” Tine asked Zol
“No he didn’t and it was fine, I got a lot of time to finish my fiction” Zol said
“Hello I'm here to” Zon said smiling
“How can I ever forget my favorite cousin, come here” Tine hugged Zon
“Okay let’s go, my dorm is just beside here so you don’t need to walk all that much” Tine took Zol’s bag and motioned them to follow him
“So how are auntie and uncle?” Tine asked them
“They are fine, they wanted to come but they had an emergency meeting” Zol answered
Right the emergency meeting that had made him miss his classes with Saifah, how would they ever do the charity concert if he didn’t practice? He didn’t even know the cords all that well; they would just have to wing it. He would embarrass Saifah so much, that Saifah would not even want to look at him.
Wait, why did it matter if Saifah didn’t look at him?
Why did his heart ache at that though?
“Shia...” he had to know what kind of stupid power Saifah had, why did his mind go wandering to him again? Stupid brain, not working properly
“Ai’ Zon where did you go?” Tine looked worried
“Ahh… nowhere” he shook his head
“Be careful and pay attention to where you're walking, there’s a lot of holes on the road here”
“Oka-”
“Ai’Tine!!” he heard someone call
He turned around just in time to see a guy running towards them
“Shia… follow me and run, fast” and Tine ran
Zon didn’t know Tine could run that fast.
Maybe in those 3 months he went to track team, or maybe he has been running from that dude for a long time.
But whatever, he would ask Tine when they reached a safer place.
They ran until they were safe inside Tine’s room.
And he saw another guy, he was strumming a guitar. The guy looked up and a smirked when he heard Tine enter the room, the smirk quickly turned to confusion when he saw the two of them
Tine locked his room and panted.
“P’Tine! What was that!? Why was the dude running after you?” Zol exploded
Zon waved at the confused man.
“Tine what’s going on?” the man stood with the guitar in his hand
“Oh? Ai’wat what are you doing here?” Tine panted
“Didn’t we schedule the lessons at this time today?” Sarawat said
“What...right yes we did… any ways you both this is Sarawat and you these two are my cousins, Zon and Zol” Tine dropped Zol’s bag on his desk and went to lie down his bed, still panting
“Who was that dude we were running away from and why?” Zol demanded
Sarawat gave Tine a bottle of water to drink from.
Tine slowly drank the water and shook his head.
All while Sarawat was staring at him with an unreadable expression.
Sarawat shook out of his stupor and frowned.
“Green was following you again?” he took the bottle back from Tine
“Yes, why can’t he just leave me alone already?” Tine whined
“Whose green and why is he following you” Zon was very protective of people he was close with.
“He is just some guy, who likes me, but I don’t like him, and he won’t leave me alone no matter what I say” Tine continued to whine
“Why don’t you just accept him then? Won’t it be better than running away all the time?” Zol’s Fangirl heart was gonna explode.
Zon shook his head at Zol, no doubt that she was gonna add them in her story.
He looked at his cousin and his friend, noticing how Sarawat was annoyed at the thought and how tine was glancing at him.
“Well his boyfriend won’t like it if he goes on a date with some other guy now would he?” Sarawat glowered at the thought, and pulled Tine closer to him by grabbing his waist.
“Ai’ Saraleo what are you doing?” tin e tried to get out of Sarawat’s hold
“I'm holding what’s mine” Sarawat grabbed him more closely.
Well looks like Zol did get something for her to write about.
Glancing at her, Zon winced as he noticed her mouthing to herself.
“Is she okay?” Tine asked hesitatingly
“It’s normal” Zon sighed and shook his head
“Ahhhhhhhhhh!” Zol screamed
“This is all normal don’t worry about her” Zon rolled his eyes.
“Uh… why exactly is that normal?” Tine asked, still wrapped by Sarawat
“The fiction she writes is about…” he hesitated “umm…it’s about BL”
“Okay…okay…” Tine blinked
“Why were you hesitating?” Sarawat asked suspiciously
“Nothing, it’s nothing” Zon rubbed his hands together.
“So… how did you both meet? Ohh and how did you start dating?” Zol asked, recovered from her Fangirl attack, and ready with a notepad and pen in her hand
“Well… he asked me to be his fake boyfriend, and that time I liked him, so I agreed and started flirting with him, but him being an idiot, understand any of my advances and…” Sarawat started
Listening to their story, Zon realized that this was a lot like what Saifah was doing, but Saifah was actually teasing him and not…flirting with him.
He would know if someone was doing that, he was not an idiot.
Even if he was, it wouldn’t be something that serious right? Yeah it wasn’t that serious, Saifah was just messing with him that is all.
“I heard that you both are going to visit everyone?” Tine questioned, now sitting in Sarawat’s lap.
“Yes, she wanted to see if they would allow her to write about their story” Zon answered and took out his phone.
Should he ask Tine? But he wouldn’t know, Tine himself was very oblivious, he wouldn’t know.
Maybe Sarawat, yeah he’ll ask him
Zol was in the washroom, this was the perfect time to ask.
“Sarawat can I ask you a question?”
“Sure” Sarawat wrapped his hands around Tine’s waist
“Why not me?” Tine pouted
“From the story…you're pretty oblivious,,, so…”
“What are you guys talking about?” Zol came back
Shia, he missed his chance
“Nothing” Zon shook his head from behind Zol and put a finger on his lips
“Okay? Why are you acting so suspicious?” Zol narrowed her eyes
“I'm not now leave me alone” Zon shooed her away
“Okay okay I’ll leave you alone” Zol took her laptop and went outside to sit on the balcony.
Should he ask now? …..no….he’s not gonna risk it
He took out his phone, texting Saifah to see if he was online, he wasn’t.
Why was his stomach feeling so weird? He really should have it checked out.
It probably had something to do with Saifah, his stomach felt weird whenever he thought about him.
Him and his sister left to then hotel they were gonna stay the night at.
The morning came, him still thinking about everything then they left to the train station, they had to visit Tine’s brother too
“Who are you gonna go visit next?” Tine asked as he hugged them both goodbye
“Hm? Oh we’re gonna visit your brother”
“Be careful, he found himself a very protective husband, you’ll have to take care of Zol or else she’ll faint” Tine warned
“Uh, I know and don’t worry I’ll take care of her”
“Bye bye! I’ll see you at the next family reunion!” Tine waved at them, knowing he didn’t want to know how Zon already knew
“Bye bye phee!” Zol waved back
“Bye” Zon said and stepped on the train
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