#wilbur analysis

[raspberryberyl]

Ok my thoughts right off the back from the stream

- yay no death. Wilbur didn’t intend to kill himself, he just REALLY made it seem like he did. And Tommy was ready to stop him if he tried.

- we got to see the explosion from the burger arc. 

-I really want to know what the book said.

- UT stood for Utah!! WHAT!!

- he kinda apologized to Tommy. Yay. Some awesome c!crimeboys feels

- He is an american, and L’manburg was all about having no Americans XD

- I don’t like this backstory for Wilbur that much. What do you mean that Utah and gas stations are real. What about my cottage core sbi family? What about Wilbur finding tommy and giving him his name? What is the timeline?

- Technically both Techno and Philza have the same jacket, did they also work there?

- The Wilbur cosplay XD IRL wilbur

I can’t believe that was it. I’m not sure I understood that stream completely. Time to gather my deeper thoughts.

But that was it. That was the end of the wilbur lore. I hope we get to see more Tommy pov soon. How will Tommy Cope with Wilbur leaving 

#dsmp lore #dsmp lore analysis #wilbur lore #wilbur soot #wilbur analysis #c!wilbur #lore reaction #technoblade #philza #tommy

[kitsu-katsu]

I've always said that a defining characteristic of Wilbur is how much he cares

Even when in Pogtopia he wanted to pretend that he didn't, he still cared painfully for the people around him and showed it time and time again, unwavering

L'manburg was built from that care, from wanting people to be safe and free

And his apologies now are fully borne from that care and his horrible mental health telling him that despite how deeply he cares, he failed them all and hurt them, and he has to make it up even if at the cost of himself, because really he has never put himself first in his life

As a depressed president, he put on facade daily while crying into his pillow when nobody was around, wanting desperately to cling onto that president persona and not overly express his whole self as he told Quackity that they had an election soon and he couldn't fulfill his request of talking person-to-person instead of president-to-president

“I mean, look, Tubbo, I’ll be the first one to say I didn’t always treat you the best on L’Manberg. And I know I didn’t! I was somewhat of a distant ruler, I pretty much only really- … Look, I wasn’t the best ruler, I know I wasn’t. I think I was a good ruler, but I-” - (Wilbur’s techno and wilbur make cave better: 1:21:50, 23rd Sep)

“I just- I- I just remember I was in power, and I would- when I wasn’t on a stage I would cry a lot, and- and scream into my pillow until I felt better. That’s what I- but I don’t remember why I would do that”

- (Tubbo’s THE GREAT REBUILDING: 2:14:18, 17th Nov)

“Can I… talk to you like off the books and just… Can I talk to you as a person? Forget- forget the elections, forget the… the politics, forget we are politicians right now. I wanna talk to you up close. I wanna talk to you as a person.” (Quackity)

“Um… I mean I appreciate it- no. The election’s in twelve days” (Wilbur)

-(Quackity’s Killing My Enemies: 1:03:23, 12th Apr)

As he was spiralling, he pretended to not care, he pretended to put selfish desires first with harsh words, but time and time again it crumbled to dust as empty threats because he can't bare the weight of knowingly hurting people. He saved Niki. He was willing to fight and blow the place up to avenge Tubbo's death. He didn't outright kill himself in the button room filled to the brim with TNT because Tommy and Quackity stood there, and would've taken the blast. He told everyone of his plan and exactly where the TNT was in case they needed to stop him

“We’re in too much of a hot position right now to take in everyone from every sort of like person we need into our new like cave, so you’re gonna have to hold out in Manberg for a bit longer, is that okay?” - (Wilbur’s techno and wilbur make cave better: 51:15, 23rd Sep)

“Chat, do I wanna- Chat, do I wanna, do I wanna do it? I’m having second thoughts about the TNT. Chat, I’m having second thoughts about the TNT. Do I wanna kill these people? Seeing that they’re my friends.” - (Wilbur’s The Festival: 34:09, 16th Oct)

“Tommy, I’m getting second thoughts. These are my friends, I don’t- Do I- I don’t know if I wanna [inaudible].” - (Wilbur’s The Festival: 36:17, 16th Oct)

“Just, if you’re gonna kill anyone else, kill me. Don’t kill anyone else here.” - (Wilbur’s The Festival: 1:10:53, 16th Oct)

“You sounded like you were gonna murder another person. You sounded like you were gonna go for Niki.” - (Wilbur’s The Festival: 1:12:34, 16th Oct)

“Oh, yes, sorry, Niki, you missed that part. I was gonna blow up Manberg, I was gonna completely destroy it in a huge fireball. Look, Niki, come to Pogtopia, you’re safer here. You’re not gonna be hurt by anyone.” - (Wilbur’s The Festival: 1:17:59, 16th Oct)

“No you two can escape, I’ll be the… I’ll- I’ll- I’ll be… I’ll be trapped in here…” - (Wilbur’s Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 27:27, 17th Oct)

“I don’t, I don’t, I don’t want to kill you two. I don’t want you two to die.” - (Wilbur’s Speedy Stream Festival What festival: 28:53, 17th Oct)

“Don’t, don’t hold, don’t hold Tubbo accountable, Tommy. He doesn’t know. He just wants to survive.” - (Wilbur’s the election results: 31:57, 22nd Sep)

“And whilst I’m not entirely trustful of Tubbo, I still don’t want to see him getting hurt by Schlatt. So, as long as Schlatt’s being nice to him, then I’m gonna keep my cool.” - (Wilbur’s techno and wilbur make cave better: 37:21, 23rd Sep)

“What do you mean you’re on our side, you just murdered Tubbo in front of everyone!” - (Wilbur’s The Festival: 1:15:08, 16th Oct)

“It’s… Tommy, you’re my friend today, okay? You can have your grievances with me later, but today, you’re my friend, you’re my ally. Just stick with me, just get ready. You’re not an accomplice here, you’re just a viewer, you’re a- you watch- You’re a witness! Witness! That’s the word I was looking for. You’re a witness, Tommy, alright.” - (Wilbur’s The Festival: 16:24, 16th Oct)

“You don’t have to worry, you know, when it comes to the tribunal, when it comes to the Geneva Conventions, you’re in the clear, Tommy, you were just there, you know. Me, however, I’ll take the fall, I’ll take the fall, Tommy. I’m taking off this fucking helmet. Look, I’ll take the fall, Tommy, alright. You just, you just focus on, just, you know, just enjoy the time.” - (Wilbur’s The Festival: 16:40, 16th Oct)

And that leads us to what I can only assume is him wanting to die again or at least disappear from where all that know him are. Wanting people to have one last good time and not risk hurting them ever again

"If people don't forgive you... You've gotta let them go, Tubbo. And I feel like me coming back here is almost going against that, by coming back and besieging you againg- But! I want- i wanted to say it's not enough to say sorry, I wanted to make it up to you, Tubbo!" - (Wilbur's Hello Mr. President: 10:55, 29th Apr, 2022)

After hitting on 16, he's fully resigning himself to the social limbo he wanted to contest before, when he told Ranboo about his feelings.

“Dream is- He’s had his comeuppance, and I have not! My comeuppance was apparently not good enough for this people. They’re just waiting, they’re waiting for the next thing for me to slip up on, and, Ranboo, I’m not gonna fucking slip up, Ranboo. I’m different.” - (Wilbur’s Healthy Competition: 38:07, 25th July)

“I’m living in eternal limbo, again. I’ve been through limbo, I’m out of limbo, and socially, I’m still in this limbo.” - (Wilbur’s Healthy Competition: 38:36, 25th July)

“I relived that explosion in my head so many times man. And, and, and I- I get that you don’t, you don’t trust me, I do, but like, man, look at me, bro, I’m not gonna do it again. I’m not gonna- I’m not gonna hurt you again.” - (Wilbur’s A Year Later: 21:21, 3rd Aug)

Espeacially after what he told Phil abot how he felt post hitting on 16:

“Phil, I- I haven’t had a very good time, Phil.” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 7:17, 15th March)

“I think- I think he- I think I might have taken one of his canon lives. And I think- And I don’t- I don’t know if he’s still around. I don’t know if he’s like- If he’s hiding somewhere to- If he’s still got one, or where he’s gone, but he’s not- he’s not come back, and I think it’s my fault.” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 7:34, 15th March)

“It was the burger van. I- I… I got- I got- Phil, I got competitive again…” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 7:52, 15th March)

“I mean was it at least for a good cause, or?” (Phil)

“No! It fucking wasn’t!” (Alivebur)

- (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 8:02, 15th March)

“That fucking- kid… Quackity, right? He came to me, and he was showing me up with his big fucking- Have you seen Las Nevadas, Phil, have you seen it!? It’s a fake desert! He built it, he put the sand there! It wasn’t even an original desert to begin with! He built it with his hands, this desert, and he lords it over everyone…! He lords it over everyone… And I- I- I…” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 8:11, 15th March)

“Phil, I- I- I let it- I let it get the better of me, and- and- and I- I got competitive with Quackity, and it ended up almost costing Tubbo’s life and it cost Ranboo his.” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 8:34, 15th March)

“And I’ve just come back. I’ve- I’ve literally still got- I’ve still-” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 8:47, 15th March)

“I’m sorry, Phil.” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 8:52, 15th March)

“I don’t deserve these.” [Throws the honey and cookies down] “I don’t- You take these. I don’t deserve them.” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 9:26, 15th March)

“I’m starting to feel like I’m at my peak, Phil. I feel like, I feel like I can’t get any better than this. I feel like this is, this is my… this is my top point and I- I don’t know, man. I don’t- I don’t know if I can actually- If- If I- I’m trying so hard and nothing seems to be getting better. And I think there might just be something wrong with me.” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 9:37, 15th March)

“I don’t know how I can get people to forgive me. I don’t know- 'Cause they say they do and I just don’t believe that they do.” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 10:00, 15th March)

“Yeah, but no one’s, no one’s like- I feel like no one’s actually just forgiven me, I feel like everyone- everyone- everyone just says that 'cause they’re scared of me, and then it feels like I’m trying to push back and that’s how Ranboo got…” - (Wilbur’s Dream SMP: Bust: 10:14, 15th March)

It's mirroring Ghostbur's desire to bring Wilbur back because "surely he can do more for people, surely he can make them happier, be better, keep them safer" (and if they said they preferred Ghostbur, then he'd stay, because he wants to give people the most comfortable version of himselft)

“Hey, Tommy, I was having a think about it, and I don’t think I want people to bring me back to life.” - (Tommy’s Alone?: 47:38, 19th Dec)

“I don’t know, I don’t think I want to be brought back to life.” - (Tommy’s Alone?: 47:52, 19th Dec)

“No, I just- I don’t know. I think I don’t wanna- People prefer Ghostbur. Dream likes Ghostbur!” - (Tommy’s Alone?: 48:34, 19th Dec)

“I take it back, Tommy. Tommy, I take it back. I’m burning in the rain right now, and I just- Tommy, I want you to bring me back to life.” - (Wilbur’s First Time Ghostbur Live: 20:07, 6th Jan)

“Tommy, I know- I know I said- Tommy, I know how I said I didn’t want- I didn’t want to be brought back to life because I didn’t want to- Because that would mean me as Ghostbur would stop existing. But I want- I want you to bring me back to life. I don’t want to be Ghostbur anymore.” - (Wilbur’s First Time Ghostbur Live: 22:12, 6th Jan)

“Maybe everyone will like Alivebur again.” - (Wilbur’s First Time Ghostbur Live: 35:37, 6th Jan)

“Did Fundy like Alivebur?” (Ghostbur)

“He loved you.” (Eret)

“Oh! Well then there we go, that’s a good plan then!” (Ghostbur)

- (Wilbur’s First Time Ghostbur Live: 44:07, 6th Jan)

“I need to be killed. I-” (Ghostbur)

“There’s a fox out there who needs a father” (Eret)

“And there’s a world out there that needs a ruler. When I look at this crater I don’t- I don’t see- I don’t see somewhere that Ghostbur made better. I see somewhere that- that- that is owned by weakness. Eret, I’m not a strong man, I’m not a strong man.” (Ghostbur)

“You were a strong man.” (Eret)

Yeah, but I’m not a strong ghost. And I- This world needs strength right now, and I- It’s one of those things where I don’t want- I want to- Do it, Phil! Phil, do it!” (Ghostbur)

- (Philza’s trying to revive my son LOL: 36:37, 10th Jan)

“And I’ll- I’ll- I’ll be back, and the world can be strong again.” - (Philza’s trying to revive my son LOL: 37:31, 10th Jan)

And so, where Wilbur's going "he doesn't need armour", and so "he'll remember you for this, not for what you did", and so he's trying to bring friend back... For Ghostbur's sake

#dsmp #dream smp #meta #dsmp meta #c!wilbur #wilbur #wilbur soot #wilbur analysis #ghostbur analysis #ghostbur #tubbo #tommy #c!tubbo #c!tommy #revivedbur #I can talk so much about him #I would add something about the blocks he stands on like a stage when his voice wavers and he starts feeling insecure and how this is all- #a further manifestation of his masks which he never fully takes off because he's a performer and his biggest piece of method acting is- #pretending to be ok #but I'll make that more elloquently some other time #I have university stuff to worry about /neg #tw suicide #tw suicide ideation #tw suicide mention #long post

[schlattburity]

Okay this is a copy and paste from somewhere else so forgive me if it’s like, not the most coherent. I wrote it yesterday after the stream to get my thoughts out and I might write a more coherent/in depth version of the future but this thought has been in my mind for ages way before the lore stream. Just the lore stream felt like it completely canonized my thoughts on it in my humble onion.

I’ll also write my general thoughts on the finale later at some point I promie. (Edited: changed the formatting a bit :])

CW Wilbur Finale Spoilers

It’s All Projection

Everything Wilbur did was projection onto other people things he thought/feared about himself. Villainize the other to distant it from himself

“Don’t trust those american dogs”

Don’t trust me, I’m a liar

“I defeated Eret”

Please don’t notice my other failures as a leader and a person

“I put you in the role of President out of spite”

because I didn’t want to be President of something I would destroy

“I don’t want you to pity me”

I am pitiable

Every rivalry, every conflict, every moment he spent spiting at others it was always at himself

His apologies, his fighting for Tommy, Defending him, him admitting he was scared and sad, him admitting he’s a bloody fucking American

It was him being honest with himself for the first time and not deflecting

He’s the Traitorous, American Dog who was sad and scared and lonely and never truly meant to be a leader

And That’s how it ended, he couldn’t stay because he wasn’t the man to protect people. He never was

He wasn’t a leader or protector or anything of the sort.

He was just a Gas Station employee inspired by his adopted younger brother to build something new and beautiful.

#dsmp #c!wilbursoot #c!wilbur disscussion #wilbur lore #wilbur lore disscussion #dsmp analysis #dreamsmp analysis #c!wilbur analysis #wilbur analysis #thera posts

[your-lost-nixie]

Whaddap boys.

What d’yall say to a rewatching of Hamilton during the middle of the night just so I can write a better analysis on the parallels and potential stark differences between Wilbur’s lore finale and Hamilton’s finale as well as all the narrative decisions that lead to those finales for the sole purpose of feeling like I’ve contributed to piles of Wilbur finale /pos vs /neg discourse.

#dream smp #dsmp #Wilbur #wilbur soot #cwilbur #c!wilbur #c!crimeboys #literacy analysis #literacy #dsmp analysis #Wilbur analysis #blurb blurb blurb blurb #I’m drowning in the tags hEl- #crime bois #WHY ARE THERE SO MANY #analysis #Wilbur discourse #I know no one else will ever read these #but this is somewhat comical to me #continuing forevermore until the last pen falls

[clingyduoapologist]

The thing that will always stick in my mind about November 16th is that Wilbur wanted to hurt them. He wanted them to scream and feel betrayed and to curse his name and forget about him, because he didn’t want anyone to mourn. He wanted Tommy to hate him so much he forgot him. He wanted Tubbo to be president just long enough for the loss to tear him up. He would finally be slaying the beast, after all. He just had to make sure that they were all on the same page, that they knew that he was doing them a favor. He wanted to hurt them so badly, all because he didn’t want them to miss him…

#IT’S FUCKED UP MAN IT’S FUCKED UP #fucked in the head…. #happy 16th everyone #dream smp #c!wilbur #dream smp analysis

[qsmpheadcannons]

I will never get over how much more mature Philza is in his lore than everyone else. He doesn’t have to be, he can choose his own lore, but he chooses instead for his character to always be the bigger person.

And this just goes to show how good of a storyteller he is; he knows the story requires his character to fill a supporting role and he does it without erasing his character’s complexity.

It’s not like his character is never immature, but when he is immature or lashes out, it doesn’t just affect the atmosphere, it completely changes it.

He yells at Wilbur, telling him to leave and find the eggs himself if he’s so upset about it- very much in the way an angry parent scolds a child- and for a brief moment you can feel how scared his character is, and Wilbur who was previously just confused and upset immediately becomes defensive (which benefits Wilbur’s story).

But more importantly Phil apologizes immediately after he’s calmed down, something which we don’t really see from other characters that are described as calm, cool and mature the same way he is. (being more mature isn’t a source of pride for him) It speaks volumes about who his character is, and just how long he’s been around compared to everyone else.

It shows that his character is also choosing to be the bigger person. It shows that he knows better than to wait to apologize to someone he cares about; which taken in the context of his lore can imply that he may have experience with loosing friends or allies in that way.

There’s more I could say abt this, especially with what this can imply about Wilbur and Phil’s father/son relationship, but I think that deserves its own post.

#qsmp #philza minecraft #mcyt #live stream #philza #wilbur soot #qsmp wilbur #storytelling #character analysis

[trashfangirlsworld]

I’m thinking about the fundamental difference between tallulah’s “adoption” attempts. QBad, qforever and the others wanted to adopt Tallulah because they thought since she was sad about her father’s absence that she needed a new parent to replace him so she could be happy, which is not what Tallulah wants and why she said no. On the other hand there’s qPhil who’s always considered her close family without saying anything, through small actions because qwilbur, who is his son, entrusted her to him to give her a family while he’s gone, and he doesn’t joke about qwilbur not being real and always makes mention of how much tallulah is like her dad and the stuff they can do together when he’s back because he knows qwilbur will return because he knows how much he loves her. That’s why she asks qphil to consider her his daughter, because he loves her like that while including and not dismissing the family that she already has

#this is not bashing on other characters btw #they just don’t know qwilbur like tallulah and qphil do #they have good intentions #qsmp #qsmp analysis #qsmp tallulah #qsmp philza #qsmp wilbur #q!wilbur #q!philza

[420technoblazeit]

tommy's making a fair point about the mechanics of minecraft in relation to the lore actually. it's true that in the dsmp's current stage everyone kinda has the same power level. they all have netherite armor and the best enchanted weapons and all that because the traditional way of playing minecraft includes getting geared up to protect yourself from threats. but this has the unintended consequence of making the combat much less interesting during big story moments

when eret betrayed l'manburg in the war it was more impactful because l'manburg was set up as the underdogs by virtue of having less resources and protection than the dream team. there was a clear power difference visible in the way that fundy, tubbo, tommy, and wilbur had cobbled together pieces of armor and the dream team was decked out in full enchanted netherite. in the earlier days of the smp the lack of armor contributed to the weight of the conflict

the l'manburg era was pretty good at controlling this sort of thing because the no armour rule worked both within the context of the lore and on a meta level

it feels like every method of fighting has been explored a especially with the usage of things like end crystals, withers, tnt, and wolves. and these days even those aren't enough to really damage someone unless you have a way of stripping them of their armor

ranboo's death was a great demonstration of this problem, where in order to actually kill him they had to write a reason for him to take off his armor. i'm not saying that stream was disappointing but ranboo's death specifically felt a little anticlimactic to me and it's not really anyone's fault either. that's just how it works sometimes when youre using a game for something other than its initial purpose

on the other end of this i literally can't count the amount of times schlatt had to ask tommy to kill a skeleton or a creeper for him because he failed to account for his complete lack of armor outside of a character perspective

idk. it's interesting how the mechanics of a game like minecraft have to be put into consideration for when you're crafting a narrative in that form. many things to think about in smp roleplay

#dream smp #dsmp #mcyt #meta #tommyinnit #ranboo #jschlatt #fundy #tubbo #wilbur soot #dreamwastaken #georgenotfound #sapnap #eret #the pig squeals #analysis #long post

[melissa-s23]

About c!Wilbur in utah.

Obviously, c!wilbur is not cc!wilbur, and the fact that earth exists in the dsp canon is...weird??.

Worse yet, wilbur implies this is his home. The man who complained during the l'manberg's fight for independence turning out to be american himself. It's strange right?

But when you think about it. A minecraft server where Utah exists... that he could call his home..

Just saying, if his father had a server he claimed as his with a friend. An empire he was the heir of.. an empire where Utah exists...

Just imagine instead of Wilbur, previous president and revived terrorist working in a gas station, it would be Emperer Wilbur of Antarctic empire, previous president and revived terrorist working at a gas station.

This is a level of hilarity I can only respect

#dream smp #dream smp analysis #wilbur soot #c!wilbur #dsmp #ramble of a smol goblin

[10piecechickenmcnugget]

Okay i NEEEED to rant about Pogtopia because I know it was a ravine and shit but I need people to consider: lava caves

(all photos taken by me cause I explored one the other day and that’s where I got this idea)

Lava caves or lava tubes are HUGE super long caves that were carved out by literal lava flows and now just sit there and they’re cool as fuck

they’re cold as shit and the roof can vary from being dozens of feet above your head to being so low you have to crouch

there’s piles of rocks and ice formations and sand gardens and they are PITCH BLACK if you don’t have any lights and they paths can be crazy wide or super narrow and the ground is full of drop offs

ones that are made for people to explore have railings and stairs in certain places too and some even have built in lights or like the one I explored let you rent a flashlight

also a fun sidenote the ground is super hard packed sand full of holes from water dripping and it’s so hard packed that you don’t leave footprints (this would not help with Wilbur’s derealization)

anyways I think this would all work SUPER well for pogtopia cause cold/dark/shifting atmosphere/adding railings and pathways is already a thing in pogtopia

some more images that I yanked from google:

anyways PLEASEEEE consider spreading my vision Pogtopia lava cave/tubes for the win I’ve never been more right about anything in my life

#mcyt #dsmp #dream smp #10piecetalks #dsmp analysis #dsmp lore analysis #lava caves #pogtopia #dsmp study #pogtopia headcanon #dsmp headcanon #wilbur soot #c!wilbur #tubbo #c!tubbo #tommyinnit #c!tommy #c!techno #c!quackity #sorry for all the tags but I need people to see this I’m going insane #it’s cold as balls in these things and they’re super trippy I’m so right and you know it #give me at least 1k notes NOW !!! /j /lh

[arctasy]

i will never get over the way c!wilbur's character explored themes revolving around perceiving yourself through a narrative and projecting conventions of storytelling and media onto your own life out of a need to become part of something greater and more “beautiful” than yourself. the complicated relationship between life and art: which imitates which? the attempt to aestheticize your own suffering in the hope of creating a “masterpiece” that makes it all somehow worth it. convincing yourself that you are a character on a stage and must play your part so you don’t have to admit to yourself that you’re tired and hurting and it’s easier than putting in the work to heal. just. god. c!wilbur’s story means so much to me

#was working on notes for my english class and it touched on some of this stuff #and now i am overcome with the lore brainrot #i have yet to see another piece of media that explores it as well as wilbur though #wilbur soot #c!wilbur #dsmp analysis #dream smp #og post

[stellocchia]

Does anyone remember that time cWilbur tried to weaponize the pit against cQuackity in the custody battle stream and he said something along the lines of "Don't trust someone who would have fought you in the pit" to cTommy?

Because I do.

That was fucked up.

Like, straight-up, not only incredibly manipulative, but also fucked up on a fundamental level. Wilbur is the one who dug up the pit all the way back in Pogtopia. He's the one who came up with the idea of Tommy and Techno fighting in there. He's the one who pushed Tommy and Techno in. He's the one who kept goading them on.

The only person who thought it was appropriate to get Tommy beaten to a pulp because he dared being angry at the guy who executed his best friend on the orders of a dictator is Wilbur. No one else thought of it. No one else orchestrated it. Even Mr. Techno "The only universal language is Violence" Blade was hesitant. Not Wilbur though! Motherfucker cheered throughout!

And then, after the brutality and cruelty of that situation, he had the GALL to try and use his own actions to discredit someone else. Because the way he phrased it cannot be spun around into a self-deprecating "you can't trust me" moment, there was none of that. He was straight-up just being a dickhead.

And then people wonder why Tommy didn't trust him after he came back to life and treated him like a ticking time bomb. Maybe Wilbur shouldn't have gaslit, girlbossed, and gatekept so close to the sun constantly!

#dream smp #dream smp analysis #tommyinnit #wilbur soot #c!wilbur critical #c!tommy #c!wilbur #crimeboys #c!crimeboys #a dsmp analysis? #from me? #in this day and age? #it's more likely than you'd think!

[cat-mentality]

It's funny really, how much the children have taken from their adoptive parents.

How looking at them is something akin to looking in a mirror.

Chayenne who is eerily similar to Philza with the same blue hair and blue eyes, the same nose, but whose smile is all Missa's. Who loves deeply, like them both, who likes cooking and avoids larger crowds, who has no time for people's bullshit, who likes stories, farming potatoes and training with his weapons.

Ramon whose tiny smile is a carbon copy of Fit's, something precious to be cherished like the gift it is. Who is clever and resourceful and focused on what really matters, hardworking to a fault.

Leonarda with Vegetta's purple eyes and Foolish's cheekbones and nose. Leo who is creative and protective, who will defend her loved ones with everything she has, who wants pretty things and nice buildings in her name, who enjoys the good things in life.

Dapper who is his father's copy, who proudly display the demonic traits many hide in shame, the midnight skin, the white eyes, the little horns. Dapper who is clever, who likes to play with the obscure, who collects animals, who is fiercely protective of her loved ones.

Tallulah who may as well be Wilbur's copy as well, the same curly brown hair, the same big dark eyes, whose smile is just the tiniest bit crooked, exactly like Phil's. Tallulah who loves music so very deeply, who is passionate and puts her heart into her projects.

It's tragic really, how much the children have taken from their adoptive parents.

How looking at them is something akin to looking in a mirror.

Chayenne who is the oldest. The little warrior, his father’s son in bravery and courage and protectiveness, Chayenne who has taken the role of the protector without having to be told.

Chayenne, who is his fathers’ son. Who hides his insecurity and his fear because he cannot allow himself to appear weak or scared because all the siblings are looking at him for comfort, for guidance. Chayenne who takes every single thing gone wrong as a signal of his failure, of his weakness, who fear every single day that his siblings, that his parents, are going to look at him and see the scared little boy who cannot save his siblings, who failed them so many times and just keeps on failing.

And that they will realize he is not worth their time or their love.

Chayenne who is his father’s son and cannot put those insecurities into words, who cannot talk about them because they are his burden to care, because his parents and siblings have more important things to care about, because he is the oldest and he is not suppose to give them reasons to worry, he is supposed to be strong and reliable.

He has never been taught to be honest about his fears, he has watched as his father takes on the responsibility of taking care of another child by himself without a word of protest, he has watched as he father held his emotions close to his chest and he has learned to do the same. 

Chayenne like his father Missa, who believes he is not worth of their love unless he proves it with his actions, who is scared of failure as much as he is scare of trying, who struggles with what he truly wants to do, with the childish urges to just have fun, to just ask for a hug or to cry in the embrace of a loved one, and the believe of what he thinks he must do, stay strong and brave and keep his siblings safe so that they do not share his pain, so that they know they are loved and appreciated and that they are safe with him.

Leonarda who shares her pa Foolish's loneliness.

Leonarda who has so very few people she feels like she can trust, so very few people she believes would even care to look at her twice, and who has lost, on multiple occasions, those people, who has felt alone and scared too many times to count.

She hides her feelings deep inside even when it hurts, can't bear to expose them to the world because she knows how easily the world will step on them, how easily they will laugh at her or even ignore her pain because they are so very used to not thinking about her at all. Leo who clings to her loved ones with protective fierceness, even with jealousy, because she has so very few of them.

Just a child, a child like the others, yet most of the time people don't seem to take her seriously, just like they don't take her pa seriously, Leonarda who just like her pa Vegetta feels like she must step up as the protector, that she has to take charge into protecting the one person who has always seem and understood her, who will put him above everyone else because she knows that they will never be anyone's else priorities.

Lonely little girl with her lonely silly father, waiting for a ghost, surviving on memories.

Dapper who is the victim of sins that don't belong to her. Dapper, forever burdened by actions they didn't take, a child punished by the sins of the father. A child, who will gladly take the burden of pain if that means his sister and father will remain safe and unharmed.

Dapper who trusts very few people, Dapper who like her father keeps her plans to herself, who wants to fix things with his own hands, who doesn't want others to be sucked into their plans, who doesn't want anyone to ever be hurt for their sake, Dapper who loves so very deeply but who like the man who raises him do not know how to trust, how to let others help.

A child, so familiar with death. A child, so understanding that everything comes to an end, so utterly aware that her time is counted and all the implications of it. A child, like her father, so connected with death, a child who does not fear death, but rather the consequences of his passing will have on the ones he loves the most. A child, who never puts himself as a priority in his plans, a child who always thinks about the bigger picture, who hides her pain and his fears because they are not as important as getting the results.

Ramon who is so serious, so comically serious, a child who tries to behave so much older than his years. Ramon who doesn't like to be sentimental, who doesn't like to talk about mushy things, who doesn't even call Fit "dad" even if he has loved him since the beginning.

A child forced to grow up so quickly. A child with adult's fears. A child who wants to make plans for his father in case one day he wouldn't be here to take care of Fit anymore, who wants him to have other people.

Ramon who will show his love in little gestures, in short phrases he will pretend he never said after, who like Fit tackles emotions like dangerous mobs, who don't know how to tame the storm that breeds inside his chest, who doesn't know how to express the vulnerability that lays inside him, who would rather kill that part of himself. Ramon who loves, heavens, how much does he love, and he will show it in his actions, he will show it by putting himself in front of his sisters when there is danger close, he will show it by watching their favorite movies without complaining, he will show it by helping his father, he will show it in silent companionship, he will show it in tiny little smiles.

Ramon who loves so much, so deeply, Ramon who doesn't believe he has done anything to earn the same love back, Ramon who thinks he has to give and give and give to deserve the love that he has never realized is freely given. Ramon who is too much like Fit to recognize his own importance, his own worth, Ramon who, like Fit, doesn't think he could be loved simply by who he is.

Tallulah who understands her papi now.

That recognizes she was just a silly little girl when they met for the first time, who dreamed of the impossible. Stupid for ever thinking that her love alone would be enough, that she could love enough for both herself and Wilbur.

She couldn't, of course she couldn't. Wilbur didn't belong to the Island, like herself he was too big for this place, unable to lay down his roots, a leaf in the wind just passing by with no intention of ever building a home, or staying in the same place for too long.

It's not his fault, she tries to tell herself when rage builds a nest inside her heart, it's not his fault his calling is elsewhere, it's not his fault he cannot stand to be locked up, that he has the freedom everyone else dies and kills for. He tried, he warned her, but Tallulah had been alone and afraid, a silly little girl who believed in fairy tales, who believed she could be loved as fiercely as she longed to love another.

(That is something they share as well, not that Tallulah knows it- They love deeply, herself and Wilbur, they cling to love with desperation, trying to fill an unending void that lives inside their hearts, an emptiness that comes from never feeling like you are someone's priority, that comes from never fitting anywhere.)

Her love alone could not hold them together exactly how no one's love can hold her together now.

Tallulah who is her father's daughter, who is shaped not by his presence but rather by the empty spot he left in her heart, one that cannot be filled by anyone else, no matter how much they may love her.

Children, forced to grow up too fast, too quickly. Children who learned so much from their parents.

#so #i tried? #i don't pride myself in knowing a lot about all the eggs and i think it's obvious which ones i know more about #but i did read some other analysis and read the wikia to remember some lore points #and this is what i came up with #im open to suggestions and criticism tbh #qsmp #qsmp analysis #qsmp writing #because i like to do both at the same time fight me #qsmp chayanne #qsmp leonarda #qsmp dapper #qsmp ramon #qsmp tallulah #qsmp philza #qsmp badboyhalo #qsmp foolish #qsmp wilbur #qsmp fitmc #i never realize how long a post will be until i post it #truly my main skill issue #so im posting it in two parts because it was too fucking long

[schlattburity]

Utah is Metaphorical

This is me talking I promise, and is a repost from another platform similar to the “It was Projection” post :] and does relate to it a bit! Hope you enjoy my insane ramblings !!

/character /rp

#thera posts #wilbur lore spoilers #dsmp lore spoilers #dsmp analysis #dream smp analysis #c!wilbur analysis #c!wilbursoot #c!wilbur disscussion #c!wilbur #dsmp #dream smp #wilbur analysis

[rgbstatic]

i think in both regards to story, and in terms of meta/real life

doomsday and the destruction of l’manberg killed the server.

whether people were for or against or apart of l’manberg or not, it was a gathering point that brought people together to talk. it was a place people would hang out. it was a place with lots of chests to steal food and supplies from. in new l’manberg so so many people spent their time their even if they were completely unaffiliated or lived somewhere else.

storywise when it was destroyed, the story just lost a central characteristic for conflict, and a very important thing. l’manberg wasn’t just a place. it was ideals it was imagery, it was a goal, it was safety it was so many things, and with it gone with no hopes of returning, no matter how many new places people built they were all empty and never the same.

and with it gone everyone literally had to go their own ways. everyone who gathered there went far far away to make their own homes.

on a meta standpoint, people like talk about how much they miss old dream smp streams and that’s because of the non serious lore streams. where walking down a path and bumping into someone could lead to goofing off or serious talks.

where tommy could build a pathway from manberg to pogtopia for prime and for the upcoming rebellion, and get caught by a vice president who decided it was his day off and he was going to roleplay as a mcdonald’s worker.

it’s how you have tommy and tubbo goofing off on the server not doing lore, only for schlatt to see and they go lore mode and have to make up a pregnancy excuse.

it’s how you got silly serious moments. it’s also just straight up how you had people interact. if everyone lived hundreds of blocks away, it’s harder to just randomly run into each other while building or running to do something, meaning you’re less likely to talk, and less likely for anything to happen.

when l’manberg acted as a central hang out spot, people built their homes in close proximity, they would stick around the area and things naturally happened.

destroying l’manberg was, in my opinion, the worst thing they could have done. doomsday did very very little narratively to the story. the community house gathering did more to the story than doomsday did. and it was awful because tommy rallied people behind him to fight in doomsday not for him, but because if they could do this to l’manberg what would stop them from doing it to every other group.

and everyone fought, and despite an entire server fighting it was pointless.

the only thing doomsday did was force people to hide. and you can make claims for ranboo who went to live with phil and techno- but ranboo’s character arcs could’ve had a very similar outcome by staying with almost anyone else.

no l’manberg ultimately just drove everyone away, and there was never any serious or successful move to make anything on that server take its place, to fill the hole, so there was nothing to actively pull things together. no driving force or motivation, nothing to supply passive roleplay, nothing to bring people together.

everyone lost on doomsday. that loss of l’manberg meant no one could ever win again. just think about it. after doomsday, it was loss after loss.

the final disc confrontation? tommy and tubbo lost. they were rescued, but they lost their fight, and it was a trap anyway.

dream in prison? well he has punz on the outside, doesn’t matter, and he can control ranboo, and he still got to kill tommy AND ghostbur. it was a loss. and he escaped.

every single fight after. quackity lost, wilbur lost, tommy and tubbo lost again, and again. the server for everyone ended in a loss.

there was not ever a win again. usually in stories, after losses, you want something good to happen to make those hardships worth it. just like when good things happen you want bad things to happen to make it worth it, you need a balance.

think of the revolution. the up and down rollercoaster. the freedom into war into loss and death into hope into loss into compromise into win.

the election was a nail biting race where depending on who you voted for, was lose and a win. for tommy and wilbur it was a loss, but they quickly gathered things up, they had hope, and they had energy, and a plan, and techno joined and they were confident. there were ups and downs up until doomsday, afterword no character seemed to get an up. any positive was immediately trivialized. for example tommy’s decided to try and heal and make a hotel which was immediately turned into a problem where people tried to fight him over it and then he died. or he got a pet that made him happen and everyone tried to set it free or kill it. he finally starts to feel safe no relax and dream breaks loose, and he is endlessly stalked the entire time, and he dies alone with his abuser and his abuser’s accomplice.

there is never an up after doomsday, and killing l’manberg that day killed the dream smp.

#dream smp #dsmp #tommyinnit #wilbur soot #l’manberg #doomsday #rgb talking #dsmp analysis #long post

[chayannesegg]

honestly I think it’s kinda interesting how phil’s relationships with wilbur, tallulah, chayanne & tubbo are all reflecting back into his view of sunny tbh. like he has such complex delicate interwoven dynamics with all of them and it all gets thrown onto sunny, this poor kid who he loves in theory, but in practice is a stranger to him. 

like wilbur left tallulah in phil’s care and didn’t come back. even now way after he was initially supposed to, wilbur hasn’t returned (that one day aside). and phil, who had already taken on a big commitment watching tallulah, has been left permanently with two eggs in his sole care. and even though he loves tallulah and wil, and won’t want them out of his life, this is a stress for him. it’s a big undertaking for anyone, to care for two kids alone, but especially since tallulah required a lot of changes in his life.

for better or worse, in many ways phil sees chayanne as an extension of himself. they’re similar in a lot of ways, and often on the same page, and it means phil often struggles to catch up when chayanne’s emotions aren’t on the same page as him. we’ve seen this week, phil having such a hard time understanding the depth and breadth of chayanne’s grief. when he catches on, he usually does a good job empathising and talking it through, but when he doesn’t, he really doesn’t and it can be hard to watch. 

the same is NOT true for tallulah. he has, through hard work and practice, learnt how to identify her emotions. he had to. she needed it. she would have been miserable otherwise. she desperately needed asked for the emotional care and birthdays and consideration that chayanne would never ask for. and he’s good at it—tracking her moods, knowing what upsets her & what she cares about in a way that doesn’t come as naturally with chayanne (or sunny or tubbo or anyone else really expect maybe wilbur). but that took A LOT of time and effort, months of work, and I do think he’s a bit wary of the idea of having to do that again, even when it comes to people he loves like chayanne (or god forbid tubbo).

now tubbo is not wil. tubbo is not phil's son. but he’s still not dissimilar to wil in phil’s mind. whatever the backstory is, phil introduces tubbo to tallulah as an old friend of him and wil’s. he makes tubbo his kids’ godfather. he calls tubbo his boy. he looks out for him. but past those first few weeks, their relationship doesn’t progress. they mean a lot to each other bc of their pasts, but they don’t put any work into upkeeping their relationship and phil in particular doesn’t reflect at all on what how that changes their dynamic. and it does change it—this is clear in purgatory, with phil having zero trust in tubbo to protect chayanne and tallulah, and after, with tubbo endlessly poking at phil’s sore spots trying to illicit a reaction he’ll never receive. 

it's also clear in the way phil has no understanding of what’s going on with tubbo. if he’s struggling to grasp chay’s emotions, he’s not even touching what’s going on in tubbo’s head. tubbo’s death makes no sense to him. it’s sudden. it’s random. it’s illogical. it’s stupid. he wasn’t joking about having two lives? he still took a death bet with richas? he’s not come back? he can’t come back? he’s left phil with distraught kids for no reason with no warning. he doesn’t see the erratic suicidal behaviour, the unending depression, the desperation to be loved. he doesn’t want to see it. he doesn’t want something to be wrong with tubbo, but he also doesn’t even know how to see what’s wrong. he’s annoyed he’s having to deal with it and he desperately desperately wants to believe this is all happening for no reason.

bc at the forefront of phil’s mind is still his love for tubbo. of course, phil would drop everything to help tubbo (if he could recognize something was wrong). of course, he would care for sunny as his own. of course, he would make the same sacrifices he’s made for wil. and he assumes he’ll have to. he thought that sunny would now be under his care. that he’d have to figure out the logistics of a third egg to care for. with wilbur, phil was the only person who could ever have taken care of tallulah. the only person he trusted, the only person who knew tallulah enough. now this isn’t true for tubbo. it’s a genuinely illogical assumption for phil to make: three eggs would be a genuine burden on him; they've never spoken about it; there’s a long list of people who would tubbo expects for sunny before; and he doesn’t even know sunny well enough to name these people for her as comfort.

but still in the moment, alone with tubbo’s eggs and dealing with everything he left behind, phil can only think that the exact same thing that happened before will happen: he alone will be left to care for another scared hurt kid of someone he loves.

and here we come to sunny. a kid whose dad he loves. a kid whose dad he doesn’t understand. a kid whose dad is suddenly gone like his son is gone. a kid who would need him like his daughter needs him. a kid who his son needs to protect. a kid he cares for. a kid he can’t afford to care for, a kid he wasn’t expecting to care for, a kid he doesn’t know how to care for, a kid he would care for if he needed to, a kid he doesn’t know why he’s been left to care for. a kid who is somehow a reflection of all these people he loves but not someone he knows at all.

idk i think this tension comes out in the a lot of the comments phil makes of and to sunny. he doesn't know them well enough to distinguish them from his relationships with other people. and as long as no one challenges him on that, we'll continue to hear these misplaced comments from him, that come across so insensitively, even as he tries his best to genuinely help them and their dad.

#qsmp #qsmp philza #qsmp sunny #suicide #philza neg #qphil neg #i guess i'll tag out of an abundance of caution even if i don't intend this analysis meanly #that said he is absolutely being unfair to sunny and hurting her bc of this and he doesn't even realize #and won't realize unless someone else talks to him about it #lest sunny just snap at him some day which i do think is what we're currently headed to #fun fact: i intended to do more analysis of his actual comments but it got too long so instead you just get this :) #even tho i think this covers too much in too little time and could reference more canon events lmao #but it's already a behemoth #oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ #also nothing is ever going to justify the 'maybe i won't look for your dad as hard' comment fuck him fr for that #cw wilbur soot #won't delete this but warning he's mentioned here