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#wishmaker spoilers
lllluka · 2 years
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quickspinner · 2 years
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(you don't have to post this, I know you try to keep things pretty salt-light here) I mean, I'm sure everyone who uses any sort of good reasoning for Luka to not tell Marinette don't really mean it. They have to come up with various reasons because Luka (canonically) has never had a bad one for doing anything for/to Marinette. We all know that the writers want to keep him away from her and they just want someone to help the LS even more. The writers basically admitted that "now he can help both"
This inspired a whole rumination on the nature of salt and my feelings about it that I’m actually going to put in another post. 😂 When I do, please don’t feel guilty about it dear anon, it’s not your fault. 
Anyway just for reference, for new readers or anyone who needs to know, it's not because I’m anti-salt or have anything against salt or because I disagree with salt takes or don't want salt on my blog at all, I just find that too much of it gets depressing for my chemically-imbalanced brain and kills my enthusiasm and ability to create, so I try to keep things a little lighter for my own sanity. 
That being said, let’s engage in a little literary criticism. 😁
I agree with you anon, I think a lot of people had that same confused, stomach-dropping moment I did and had to work backward to get to a place where that would be a reasonable decision, just based on the reactions I saw and the people I talked to when the ep first came out.
However if there ARE people who think that it was the right decision, either immediately or after thinking it through, that's okay, I think that's valid (and I think it is very likely those people exist simply because humans are so wonderfully different). I could see Luka being on a knife's edge there, trying to make the best choice under the circumstances, and I don't think it's totally implausible that it would play out the way it did. One might even say that the message she sends him in Ephemeral indicates that deep down Mari knows Luka knows and that maybe she even wanted him to lie to her, which being as intuitive as he is, he understood and compromised his deeply held beliefs and preference for direct sincere communication to do what she wanted. If he did make that decision, I can see him doing it that way--bold as brass, look her square in the eye and lie to her face. He could have prevaricated or just not really given an answer but he straight up, flat out lied. All or nothing is pretty in keeping with the way I see him, and I saw it a little bit as Luka's way of absolving her for lying to him by willingly--I don't want to say coming down to her level because that implies more judgement than I want, but sorta like that. So if Luka decided to throw all his beliefs to the wind, I suppose that is a good way to go? I think he can do that with good intentions? It could even make for some interesting conflicts for him later if they ever gave him more than three minutes of screen time. (see, now that was salt)
I do think that protecting Mari's sanity and/or saving her from having to make a difficult decision is the only explanation in line with his character, so given what happened, if I were going to write a canon compliant fic, I would absolutely go with that. 
For me personally though--hmm how do I put this. Character is very intuitive for me? While I can, with some effort, pick apart why I think a character would act a certain way, it starts as a gut feeling. So when that moment happened, it felt like when you expect a car to go left and it turns right instead, and you feel for a moment like your stomach kept going the direction you were expecting to go. To me, that was an indicator that this moment is “wrong” for how I see the character. Which sounds kind of arrogant to say in writing, but eh, it’s the way I feel. 
And you know, that’s fine when it's one moment. It happens sometimes, that someone sacrifices character authenticity to further the plot, and while lazy, it’s not earth shattering. What worries me about it, and about Wishmaker in general, is that I'm worried about it being a pivot in how they're going to portray his character from now on rather than being one out of character moment. Luka was overall pushier in that episode than he's ever been, and while it wasn't a lot taken by itself, it's a significant shift from "you should go talk to him" to taking her hand and pulling her, however gently, into a conversation with Adrien. Much like you can say Alya was out of character in a few episodes of season 3, but then you see them triple-down on this version of her character in the specials and season four, and now she’s straight up a bad friend. How many times can you make a character out of character before it becomes their character? Luka’s actions in that moment are just close enough to being in character to be a reasonable shift IF they plan to follow it up with him, as you say, “helping them both.” So, really, Wishmaker was the episode that really made me feel upset, because I had previously assumed, especially given how little they ever give Luka to do or say in the show (let’s remember that his glory episodes were Silencer, where he was akumatized as a villain who couldn’t use his own voice for the majority of his screentime and where a good bit of the time out of that was taken up by a silent montage, and Desperada, where 90% of the episode was Adrien, and the breakup episode, of which he got to be normal for maybe half), that they would write him out (travel the world with Jagged, etc) or just quietly ignore him/let him fade out. While I fully believe he would support Mari through the lovesquare getting together, I really don’t want to watch him do it, especially if they have him start pushing rather than just supporting. No thank you. 
I also keep struggling with saying this because it sounds like I think being a luthier is boring or “lesser” and as a committed maker myself I absolutely respect the passion and skill it takes to make anything, let alone things as complicated as an instrument, but something about the timing and the way they made Luka want to be a career luthier made me feel like it was an attempt to...deglamorize him? Like, having him be an aspiring rock star (which, I’ll grant you, was never really stated for sure) was too much competition for Adrien so part of their attempt to tone him down as a love rival was to make him less compatible with Marinette’s ambitions, you know? It would have been different if we had ever seen Luka tinkering with guitars in the past, or fixing things, or having pieces of instruments or tools out in his room, but everything they’ve ever shown has pointed more for him being a performer on one scale or another, so just declaring it out of the blue seems like a cheap tactic to me. Which is annoying because I’ve always loved the idea of Luka getting into making guitars as a hobby/self-maintenance/off shoot of his passion/side gig kind of thing (see Luka refinishing his guitar in Finding Harmony), and now I’m aggravated when I think about it. 
So, yes, all of that was a long-winded way to say I agree with you, it definitely feels to me like they broke character there because they’re trying to transition him out of the love rival position, and I’m not excited for where they’re going to take it from here. 
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rainbow-beanie · 6 months
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Funny instances in the new episode that had me in stitches
FVTVTD3VTBRV SIMON PLEASE- I KNOW YOUR DEPRESSED ABOUT BETTY BUT THIS ISN’T THE TIME!!
Also seeing simon’s bare double caked ass is the last thing I thought I’d see today XD
Tagging @emositecc cause you had inadvertently got me obsessed with another show /pos
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I HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS ON LUKA AS A CHARACTER AFTER WISHMAKER AND I’M GONNA DUMP THEM HERE
Luka is such a cool character and he has been a rock for marinette when things got rough for her, but beyond just being a really good and supportive friend I’ve gotta say that if anyone was going to find out both ladybug and chat noir’s identities, luka was definitely the best person for the job. like Marinette better be happy she was basically stuck giving that boy the miraculous of the snake because he might actually be the only one who can handle that level of responsibility.
First of all, he’s ridiculously level-headed until it’s his friends or family who are threatened. I don’t think he’d be akumatized unless someone came directly after his family or friends instead of him- the dude’s ridiculously patient and even-keeled, and as we know from Silencer, a gentle soul. Still though, this guy handles the information of who ladybug and chat noir are ridiculously well.
Like ignoring the weight of the responsibility for a second, just look at how hard it’s got to be to keep his mouth shut on a frustration level- he’s got so much on his plate already and now he’s got to watch these two knuckleheads be the level of oblivious and awkward that they are as civilians knowing full well how close they are as superheroes and how in love both of them are with each other (without knowing it) with a patient smile? The frustration we feel from watching the love square? This boy is living it.
Plus we know from Truth just how important that honesty is to Luka- he values it so so highly and holds himself to such a high standard, but when ladybug asks him point blank to his face whether or not he found out their identities, he lies without hesitation. He literally says that they were never hit (side note: why would he have used second chance then? idk ladybug didn’t ask so she probably assumed something else went wrong or they got stuck since he did seem to let her know that they had used multiple chances so whatever).
He lied to this girl who he cares about so much and compromised his own principles so soon after them being emphasized in Truth without questioning it because he
1. obviously cares about marinette/ladybug and chat noir/adrien and wants to protect them but also
2. because he understands that the responsibility that has been given to him as Viperion has to come before his own principles for the greater good.
He takes his hero-ing seriously, which is what you need from someone who’s going to be given the ability to play with time and potentially be your last resort if everything else fails. He’s known this, but I think after having that responsibility really play out in this episode at the expense of his own principles, he probably understands Marinette and the pressure she was facing and the weight that comes with being a miraculous holder even better than before. He probably went home and rethought everything, especially what happened in Truth with Marinette.
And speaking of the RESPONSIBILITY? All that while trying to not get akumatized and not hint EVEN TO LADYBUG/MARINETTE HERSELF (his friend and the guardian who trusted him with that miraculous) that he knows her identity or chat noir’s? And not hint that they really know each other in real life? And not slip at all even though he hangs out with both of them as civilians all the time?
Like he’s just gonna sit on that information and that responsibility of being the only person in Paris who knows both of their identities and not physically implode from the stress or tell anyone? Knowing that if anyone finds out he will become Shadow Moth’s number 1 target? But he won’t jeopardize his friends by even letting marinette know that he knows so he can talk to someone about it? Like I know he isn’t getting paid but someone get this boy a raise 😭
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lawfullyneutralbee · 8 months
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Miraculous Awakening Spoilers!
Yuh anyways
The biggest change they did in this movie is honestly giving Gabriel Agreste compassion. BC LITERALLY he gave up the fight the minute he realized he was fighting his son.
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Meanwhile in show literally every time he’s realized it’s Adrien:
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And they literally just gave him a human reaction, like a good father who actually likes his child reaction. I’m still not over what happened in Wishmaker bc what was
“MY SONN????”
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sixofcrowley · 1 year
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I WANT A LUKA AND ADRIEN BEING BEST FRIENDS ARC COME ON LUKA IS THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS ADRIEN’S IDENTITY AND HE’S SO TRUSTWORTHY PLEASE
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rainbow-arrow · 1 year
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when the show finally allows these two boys have a Moment to just be interrupted. so. abruptly.
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masternia · 11 months
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I just KNOW Luka has been going insane since wishmaker til migration
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deermiraculouswhen · 9 months
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cannot believe adrien was not witness to his gf crushing his dad with a piano…. tragic
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miraculouslycr8n · 11 months
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#MLBS4SPOILERS
everyone talks about Wishmaker because of the Identity reveal and all. and I get it.
However, I feel sad because no one discusses the actual Chat Noir reveal...
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When Adrien is touched by Wishmaker, he litteraly says something along the lines of "When I was little, I wanted to be whatever would make my parents happy."
I feel like this is a key element to his personality that gives it a serious turn we hadn't explicitly explored before.
I know Luka was shaken by the reveal, but I wish he would find some way to adress it to Adrien..
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iristial · 10 months
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I'll admit, Keiwa and Michinaga screaming at each other over ignorance (it's best to forget vs I refuse to close my eyes to anyone's suffering) and seeing the slimest chance as a possible win for the sake of other people (pessimistic reality vs idealistic possibilities), both of which are themes/views held by Ace, invests me more than the entire Ace and Michinaga "rivalry". Like sure, Michinaga projects his issues onto Ace, holds the latter's words of forgetting closer to heart than you'd suspect, and tolerates him a bit better now that he scored a win (up for debate). However, the lyrics for "I Peace" and "Undead Fire" are so straightforward and feel like counterparts, thus I've been internally screaming over how Keiwa and Michinaga contrast each other the same way Ace and Neon do...Michinaga growing to care for Keiwa, if only a little, if only for a moment..."this is a bullfighting game" and "aren't you the bull though"...snickering together in Battle Royale for five seconds...savouring these little moments in my heart
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flamedork · 2 years
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so watching s4 in order is a whole other experience
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woodsbeyond1 · 2 years
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Hi
What if the reason Adrien's sole dreams in Wishmaker is to be whatever his parents wanted is the fact that he's literally the creation of his parent's dreams.
Bye
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rainbow-arrow · 1 year
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focusing on luka during this line was a Choice they made.
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emee-ems · 2 years
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Okay so Monarch looks demented....like...you can just see the crazy spilling out.
This man has lost his marbles...he has no more left....there are no marbles to be seen.
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