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originalwinnercheesecake · 3 years

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Chain of Iron theories: the adopted baby

Here is another hot discussion topic in the fandom. CC has hinted that their will be a special baby, and that they will need to be adopted. So Questions, who is giving a baby up and why? I am assuming that this is a Shadowhunter baby. I cannot see either Hypatia Vex or Kellington who party, operate a secret saloon, and take pleasure in seducing interesting artistic individuals deciding to devote themselves to parenthood. Woosley Scott is set to show up, but their is no way he wants to adopt. Every other downworlder has appeared in the future and never made reference to having raised a baby. So which shadowhunters in this series of so many parents, children, and would be couples are looking to adopt? We know that shadowhunters adoption program isn’t perfect; Ariadne being adopted by an elderly white couple who know nothing about Indian culture and Tatiana somehow being allowed to adopt Grace despite the fact that she is aggressive, clearly insane, and famously unable to care for the one child she gave birth to. But I want to hold on to hope that whoever this little baby is their story will end happily with being given a nice home and family. My Theories

Anna and Ariadne adopt Eugenia’s baby. (retracted)

This was my original theory. In COG2 we learnt that Eugenia temporarily left home because of some scandal no one really wants to talk about. It apparently involved her and some guy being caught in a “compromising position” after which said guy could have saved things by asking to marry her but did not? ??? This led many people to believe she and this guy had been immanent and that she might now be pregnant., but unable to raise the baby on her own. So she would give it up for adoption. Eugenia’s older sister Barbara had an understanding with a very nice gentleman named Oliver and kept trying to get Oliver to purpose. I wondered if maybe a reason Barbara was in such a rush to marry is she was hoping for her and Oliver to adopt Eugenia’s baby and pass them off as theirs. Now that both Barbara and Oliver are sadly deceased Eugenia would need to look into finding new parents to take he unborn child. Well spoilers relating to Eugenia state that despite having different interests and hobbies, she and Anna get along well. She also is set to become friends with Ariadne. Ariadne who really wanted to be a mom. So I thought that if Eugenia was pregnant and looking to give her child up for adoption then maybe she would ask Anna and Ariadne to adopt her baby. That had the potential to be sweet.

But we have gotten more information now, and surprise surprise, people jumped the gun to quick on what happened with Eugenia. While we still do not know what the scandal was, it is hinted to have been way less extreme/serious than premarital intimacy, and she is very unlikely to be pregnant. I am now hoping that her ex got into a fight with some other guy, she stepped in to hit the other guy with a parasol, and her ex got embarrassed about having to be saved by her and broke up with her. Something that shows the guy was a real loser.

Elias puts Baby Carstairs up for adoption

In COG2 we got a huge surprise that Sona was pregnant with her third child, unexpected as the family tree only lists her and Elias as having two children. Well actually actually the Carstairs family line is tree has parts of it that “Were lost to time”. So something clearly happened. Jem was clearly hiding something.

This pregnancy was clearly unplanned and does present some worry’s. For starters Sona is well past the age where it easier/safest for women to give have children. She was already starting to have a difficult time with it during COG2 when she finally confessed to Cordelia that she was about 3 months along. This means that she will be about 7 months along (almost ready to give birth) when we pick up again in COI. Well in the early chapter read Alastair said that his mother has been put on Bed rest with her husband staying by her side and silent brothers monitoring her. This does not sound good. Several people have theorized that even with the brothers help, she will not make it through childbirth. Now lets talk about the babies father Elias Carstairs. Elias Carstairs is even older than his wife. He spent his youth traveling the world (I read a tweet that said he has even gone between dimensions before) leading special expeditions and hunting rare and powerful demons. This sounds grand, but it was a grueling life that left him physically and emotionally scared. Tragically the Clave does not recognize mental health as a need, so they do not provide any kind of therapy or treatment for those who become traumatized. Like many poor soldiers throughout American history Elias was there for the Clave when they needed his help but it that help was not reciprocated at the end. The only comfort he found was at the bottom of the bottle. It took Elias until he was already in his 40′s to start a family, and he has struggled with being able to take care of himself enough to act as a father to the two children he and Sona have already raised. Elias is 63. He is sad and tired, and struggling to keep a handle on his sobriety. This child was unplanned. I have read tweets that show he is at least trying to support Sona, but CC reveals he is questioning if or if not he can really do this a third time. If Sona dies there is no way Elias can raise this child himself. I won’t fault him if he makes that choice, it might be the most loving thing he can do.

Who would adopt the little guy. Well the most common theory is that Alastair and Thomas would become his new dads. Now the family tree does suggest that both Alastair and Thomas are dads in the future. It also doesn’t list the names of either of their spouses (I am guessing neither had wives) so their is nothing to suggest that they do not live together raising a group of adopted children. Given the way the Cave feels about homosexual parents that could also be why Jem “lost” the records. I will not deny Thomstair becoming adopted parents is plausible, but I am not completely sure that baby Carstaris is who they will adopt. Babies are hard, they are a lot of work, and I am not convinced either Alastair or Thomas will be up to it. Look at Alastair. He is not exactly in a good place at the start of COI, and whenever fans ask CC if Alastair will make any friends she always reply that he won’t until he learns how to speak nicely to people and to be there for them when they need him. Honestly that is a thing he struggles with. He obviously loves Cordelia, but he totally pulled an Queen Elsa on her where he shut the door and shut her out for roughly 7 years of their lives, leaving her as alone as Anna was. He claims to have loved Charles but the pair spend most of COG arguing because Alastair wants Charles to spend all his time with him and Charles is struggling to balance his promotion, his public reputation, and Alastair (Important I am not saying it was wrong for Alastair to be upset about Charles engagements or to break up with him. I am just saying it seems like Charles did try to see Alastair as much as he could, and Alastair trying to pin all his emotional needs on one person, who already had so much going on, was unfair). On Thomas side well lets just say he has a lot of mixed up and complicated feeling of his own he needs to work out before he will be able to be in a healthy relationship let alone raise a child.

If Thomstair aren’t able to take care of Baby Carstairs I bet I know a long time married, long time Carstairs loving couple, who would be happy to take the little guy in and have enough resources, experience, and love to give him a great life. Hey in the future Tessa says she has kept watch over three families: the Herondales, the Carstairs, and the Blackthorns. The Herondales and the Blackthorns are her and Will’s grandchildren. If she were watching the Carstairs because they were once her friends wouldn’t she also watch out for the Fairchilds and Lightwoods?

Blackthorn Babies with Mundane and Shadowhunter mommies and daddies

(Okay this is one will involve some hopping around and several references to the family tree, so stay with me people, stay with me.) We aleady know Jem made some changes to this line. Lucie is not 12, she is 16. Tatiana is probably not going to live another 15 years. Also the tree said that Jesse dies 59, yet he actually died at 17. But future wife Lucie wants to resurrect him... which is highly illegal and should she be successful she will probably face terrible repercussions. Jesse also might not be able to live as a shadowhunter after being brought back. So even if we don’t want it, for the sake of this theory lets assume that upon Jesse’s resurrection both he and Lucie are banished and become a mundane pianist and writer. Let’s assume they also get married and have children. In order for the TDA Blackthorns to be shadowhunters at least one of Jucie’s kids would have to become a shadowhunter and move to the shadow world. I feel like Luce and Jesse would be willing to let their kids go in that case. That was all Jesse wanted growing up and Lucie is Will’s daughter. The children would just need someone they could stay with.

Now lets hop to the Lightwood family line. According to the tree Christopher and Grace get married (Grace is also listed as a Cartwright so was her adoption overturned and she rejoined her bio family?) and continue the Lightwood line down to TMI. Grace and Christopher are set up to bond (over science) and many fans are willing to believe that they are an endgame ship. But fans are also doubting that they are the ancestors of the TMI lightwoods. For one thing Christopher is heavily coded to be asexual; and Grace herself seems to have a very.... twisted and warped view of physical acts. So now lets say Grace is somehow saved from punishment over Jesse’s resurrection or because of her past trauma is given a lighter sentence. Lets say Gracetopher really do get married. if they got married they probably will apt out of having children; at least biological children.

Christopher has a younger brother , Alexander Lightwood, who seems like a much more likely candidate to continue his family line. Alex has been noted to have those dark blue eyes that while once a Herondale trait later become a Lightwood trait. He shares a first name one of TMI’s most prominent characters, and that is just about the only way baby Alex could have relevance to the story given that he is way to young to help out in the war. If Alexander Lightwood the first is one who carried on the Lightwood line why are his descendants listed under his brother and sister in laws names?

Well way back before the CC launched TLH I remember her posting a tweet that said Grace could become an ancestor of either the Herondale or the Blackthorn line. This upset a lot of people who thought that it meant that Grace may have a baby with either James or Jesse. (No, just NO!!!) But what if instead of Grace having a baby with Jesse, She and Christopher adopt one of Jesse and Lucie’s babies so that that baby could be raised as a shadowhunter? I could see Grace and Christopher doing do: they each love one of the respective parents and are set get to know the other. The only good thing about Tatiana adopting Grace was she got Jesse as a brother. Should she ever recover from having Tatiana as an adoptive mother I could see her becoming very critical of other adoptions and refusing to allow Jesse’s children to potentially end up like she did. I am in love with a head cannon I have that Christopher will become a science professor at the academy. If Lucie and Jesse have to leave the shadow world, and they have to give up their children then I want to imagine that child living in Malec’s future academy suit with Shadowhunter mommy and daddy Gracetopher while they secretly get gifts and send letters to their mundane mommy and daddy Juice. (It is the least CC can do for the pain reading about that potential exile would cause me.)

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shadowhunters-herondale · 4 years

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If you are a TSC fan, keep reading. It’s long but bear with me, it’s worth it:

Cassandra Clare has said that in TWP the shadowhunters will face the biggest threat in shadowhunter history that will change the world of shadowhunters forever. If this is true, there is no way that shadowhunters alone will be able to stop this threat because their numbers have been dwindling low since the Dark War, and a good amount of them are now stuck in Idris forever (not complaining, Zara can rot in hell). Even with the help of downworlders, it might not be possible to win the war against this new threat. But, the shadowhunters have a secret weapon that only a few of them know about: Livvy Blackthorn. What can Livvy probably do? Communicate with the dead. Livvy can get a message to Lucie Herondale (who will obviously be dead in TWP era) and tell her that the shadowhunters are facing a huge threat and need her help. So what does Lucie do? She commands all the dead shadowhunters and downworlders in heaven to come with her to help take down this threat. Just imagine how iconic this would be. All our favorite characters who are now gone, fighting with their descendents and friends. Now imagine Jem fighting besides Will one last time, and Tessa getting to see Will and her children all fighting alongside their parabatais. Think about Henry not being paralyzed and being able to fight alongside Charlotte and his kids. All the Lightwoods would be there (Cecily, Gabriel, Gideon, Sophie, and their kids), in one last epic battle. Imagine how amazing it would be when all the present characters get to meet the characters from the past in true shadowhunter fashion, fighting in a battle that seems almost unwinnable. Even downworlders like Raphael, Jordan, and Woosley Scott could make an epic appearance. Also think about all the dead shadowhunters that we don’t even know exist that would be there. Or ones that we do know but not well: Eloise Ravenscar and Silas Pangborn, Granville Fairchild, and even Jonathan Shadowhunter himself would be such a power move. I’m not saying that any of this is actually going to happen, but if it did, it will literally give me chills, I would probably cry, and it would be the most memorable shadowhunter scene ever (and that’s saying a lot). Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

*also, Cassie, please never stop writing shadowhunter books. @cassandraclare

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readitwatchitwriteit · 1 year

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I want to know more about Woosley Scott!

#chain of thorns #the shadowhunter chronicles #the last hours #the infernal devices #woosley scott #the wicked powers #magnus bane

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fcstation1063 · 3 years

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Characters who should have been aspec but the authors are cowards

Magnus Bane (from the TV show): This doesn’t really work if you look at the books, but on the show, Magnus is 100% demisexual. He literally says, “I fall in love with the soul before the sex.”

Woosley Scott: I’ve been all over the internet, and I can’t find anything confirming if he’s canonically aromantic or not. If he isn’t, he should be.

Gansey: He’s demisexual. Seriously, he acts so confused when Adam says Gansey has more dating experience, and the only people he ever seems to find attractive are Adam and maybe Ronan at some point in the past. Even with Blue (who he hasn’t known for very long), he wants to kiss her, and he has a crush on her, but I can’t remember sexual attraction ever coming up (and no, wanting to kiss someone does not equal sexual attraction).

Ronan Lynch: It’s not that he doesn’t condone casual dating, it’s that he doesn’t understand it. This boy is demiromantic. The only person we ever see him have romantic feelings for is Adam, and probably Gansey at some point in the past. Also, it probably means something that I’m demiromantic and like to project all my romantic-orientation-based angst on Ronan.

Henry Cheng: “I’m Henrysexual.” He’s aroace.

Agatha Wellbelove: Definitely aromantic. Personally, I think she’s also pansexual, but there are a lot of aroace Agatha headcanons out there and they’re all great.

Penelope Bunce: For no particular reason, I think she’s grayace.

Simon Snow: This isn’t a case of the author being a coward. I actually really like that Simon doesn’t label his sexuality. Beyond that, he could definitely identify as demisexual/romantic if he wanted to. He never seems to experience either type of attraction toward anyone who isn’t Baz, and he had a girlfriend for, like, three years before they got together.

Nico di Angelo: I’ve seen some ace Nico headcanons around, and I’m convinced.

Thalia Grace: zero romantic interests in sight, joins the Hunters of Artemis, doesn’t have a story arc that revolves around her finding a romantic interest, doesn’t seem all that bothered about romance in general. Aroace.

Feel free to add more!

#ace characters #aro characters #percy jackson #the raven cycle #carry on #shadowhunters

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sophie-collins-lightwood · 3 years

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To Celebrate 700 followers I have put together this shadowhunters ask key (Infernal Devices Edition) for everyone to get to know me!

:) feel free to reblog & use it too

if yall like this one i’ll do a part two!

•Magnus Bane ~ How old are you?

•Will Herondale ~ What is your biggest secret?

•Tessa Gray ~ Favorite book?

•Jessamine Lovelace ~ What is your relationship status?

•Jem Carstairs ~ Do you play a musical instrument?

• Ragnor Fell ~ What would you say is your defining facial feature?

•Sophia Collins ~ Who are you most loyal to?

•Cecily Herondale ~ What is your aesthetic?

•Ella Herondale ~ Who would you sacrifice yourself for no matter what?

•Henry Branwell ~ What is something you are passionate about?

•Charlotte Branwell ~ Biggest goal in life?

•Gideon Lightwood ~ What is the most absurd thing you have done to get someone’s attention?

•Gabriel Lightwood ~ On a scale 1-10 how much of a basic asshole are you?

•Woosley Scott ~ What kind of friend group do you have?

•Axel Mortmain ~ What is/was your favorite subject in school?

•Nathaniel Gray ~ Do you have any vices?

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jeskaesque · 4 years

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The Last Hours Theories - The Fate of Matthew Fairchild

Hello! So, I have theories about The Last Hours, stemming mostly from the Ghosts of the Shadow Market story Learn About Loss in relation to the events of Chain of Gold. In this post I talked about my theories about Brother Zachariah and Belial, and Tatiana and the Iron Sisters, please check it out and let me know what you think!

On to my golden son Matthew...

So this is really out on a limb and I don’t know how I feel about it but, at the end of Learn About Loss, Jem and Sister Emilia are discussing werewolves they saw selling moonshine earlier and the Praetor Lupus who were sending people to check on the wolves, please see the conversation below;

Not quite, Brother Zachariah said. Tonight is a full moon, and we don’t know whether or not the werewolves have gone back into the mountains. As long as there are mundanes here, we must wait and watch. The Praetor Lupus take a hard-line Prohibitionist stance, not to mention they crack down hard on eating mundanes, but they may still need assistance.

“Seems a little harsh,” Sister Emilia said. “The Prohibitionist stance. I get that eating people is wrong, generally.”

Werewolves live by a harsh code, Brother Zachariah said. She could not tell, by looking at his face, whether or not he was joking. But she was fairly sure that he was.

So someone please correct me if I am wrong, but in Clockwork Princess, we see the Praetor drinking with Woolsey Scott when Will is on his way to Cadair Idris, and in the GotSM story Every Exquisite Thing, Scott mentions having “an appointment with a rather staggering bottle of red.” So the Prohibitionist stance was not always a thing. Also, it’s not about respect for mundane law because American Prohibition had ended 3 years earlier.

Theory: Matthew gets Turned into a werewolf, becomes a high ranking member of the Praetor, and institutes the no-alcohol policy (after he himself quits drinking)

Someone please tell me it can’t be possible, because if Matthew and James’ parabatai bond is broken I too will break. But I think a lot of us get a sense that something will happen to Matthew, and in this scenario, at least he gets sober, and like maybe becomes like a next generation Woolsey Scott (whose character I think was based on Oscar Wilde.) And that is why Jem is joking about about werewolves living by a harsh code, because Matthew is so not harsh.

Also, Matthew seems to have had relations with Kellington (I am imagining that, or was the ‘not so brotherly poetry’ line an innuendo?), who also seems to be a member of the Praetor Lupus because it’s mention he wears a Beati Bellicosi ring. And CC said we would learn more about Kellington in Chain of Iron.

I admit all this is very weak evidence, but there it is.

One thing I don’t get is, just because the Praetor is Prohibitionist, does that mean that all werewolves are expected not to drink, or only wolves that are actually in the Praetor Lupus? Either way doesn’t really affect the theory but if anyone has insight that’d be cool :)

Any and all feedback is much appreciated!! Thanks for reading!

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vietnameseshadowhunters · 4 years

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Blackstairs quotes

Trích đoạn hay về Blackstairs

Mình đã đọc những đoạn này biết bao nhiêu lần nhưng vẫn không chán. Một người nổi tiếng ở nước mình từng nói rằng đừng lấy nhau chỉ vì yêu nhau. Thay vào đó, hãy lấy nhau bạn là hai nửa của nhau, là đồng đội trên mọi mặt trận, là bạn thân có thể chia sẻ bất cứ điều gì thâu đêm suốt sáng và vâng vâng. Giờ mình mới nhận ra rằng ta chỉ nên lấy người nào là bạn tâm giao tri kỉ của mình, chứ không chỉ đơn thuần là người yêu.

Và Blackstairs là một ví dụ mà mình trân trọng nhất. Họ không chỉ là trái tim của người kia mà còn là tâm hồn và cuộc sống. Mình thì chưa tìm được tri kỷ, như Woosley Scott từng nói một người phải rất may mắn để tìm được người bạn tri kỉ, nhưng ít nhất, mình có thể cảm nhận được sự khác nhau giữa Blackstairs và các cặp tình nhân khác, và sự khác nhau mà Christina đã nói với Emma, “có trái tim tan vỡ và có linh hồn bị hủy hoại”.

Thế giới Shadowhunter không phải chỉ để đọc cho vui. Nó vui, nhưng hơn hết là ý nghĩa, cảm xúc, niềm tin và thông điệp là những gì làm nên sự thành công của vũ trụ này.

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I’ve read these parts many times and never got bored. A famous figure in my country used to say that do not get married just because you love each other. Instead, get married because you’re each other’s two half, comrade on any battlefield, best friend that can share anything from dusk till dawn and so on. Now I figure out that you should only get married to your soul-mate, not just lover.

And Blackstairs is an example that I most appreciate. They’re not only each other’s heart, but soul and life. I haven’t found my soul-mate, like Woosley Scott used to say one must be very lucky to find one, but at least, I can feel the difference between Blackstairs and other lovers, the difference that Christina told Emma, “having your heart break and your soul shatter”.

This Shadowhunter universe is not only to read for fun. It is fun, but more than that, the significance, emotions, belief and message are what made its success.

“People live through heartbreak, and you are strong enough to live through it many times. But Julian is not someone who can just touch your heart. He can touch your soul. And there is a difference between having your heart break and having your soul shatter.” - Christina Rosales.

“When you love someone, they become a part of who you are. They're in everything you do. They're in the air you breathe and the water you drink and the blood in your veins. Their touch stays on your skin and their voice stays in your ears and their thoughts stay in your mind. You know their dreams because their nightmares pierce your heart and their good dreams are your dreams too. And you don't think they're perfect, but you know their flaws, the deep-down truth of them, and the shadows of all their secrets, and they don't frighten you away; in fact you love them more for it, because you don't want perfect. You want them. You want—" - Julian Blackthorn

“I tried to stop,” he said. “That’s why I went to England. I thought if I was away from you, maybe I’d stop feeling what I was feeling. But as soon as I got back, the first second that I saw you, I knew it hadn’t made any difference.” He looked around the room, his expression almost resigned. “Why all these paintings of you? Because I’m an artist, Emma. These pictures are my heart. And if my heart was a canvas, every square inch of it would be painted over with you.”

“Her gaze locked with his. “You mean it,” she said. “You really mean it.” “I know I lied to you on the beach. But I swear on our parabatai oaths, I’m telling you the truth now.” He spoke clearly, deliberately, as if he couldn’t bear a single word he was telling her to be misunderstood or lost. “I love everything about you, Emma. I love the way I can recognize your footsteps in the hallway outside my room even when I didn’t know you were coming. No one else walks or breathes or moves like you do. I love the way you gasp when you’re asleep, like your dreams have surprised you. I love the way when we stand together on the beach our shadows blend into one person. I love the way you can write on my skin with your fingers and I can understand it better than I could understand someone else shouting in my ear. I didn’t want to love you like this. It’s the worst idea in the world that I love you like this. But I can’t stop. Believe me, I’ve tried.” - Julian Blackthorn

Lady Midnight - Cassandra Clare

“Because when this universe was born, when it blasted into existence in fire and glory, everything that would ever exist was created. Our souls are made of that fire and glory, of the atoms of it, the fragments of stars. Everyone’s are, but I believe ours, yours and mine, are made from the dust of the same star. That’s why we’ve always been drawn to each other like magnets, all our lives. All the pieces of us belong together.” - Julian Blackthorn

Lord of Shadows - Cassandra Clare

“You're the only person I've ever loved like this, and I know you're the only person I ever will. And I'm not myself without you, Emma. Once you dissolve dye in water, you can't take it back out. It's like that. I can't take you out of me. It means cutting out my heart, and I don't like myself without my heart, I know that now.” - Julian Blackthorn

“As long as you exist and I exist, I will love you.” - Emma Carstairs

Queen of air and darkness - Cassandra Clare

Bài viết này và bản dịch tiếng việt thuộc về “Vietnamese Shadowhunters.”

Trích đoạn gốc tiếng Anh thuộc về tác giả Cassandra Clare.

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This post and the vietnamese translation belongs to “Vietnamese Shadowhunters.”

The English snippets belongs to Cassandra Clare.

#cassandra clare #the dark artifices #lady midnight #lord of shadows #queen of air and darkness #tda #julian blackthorn #emma carstairs #jules and emma #blackstairs #julian and emma #shadowhunters #vietnamese shadowhunters #snippets summary

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