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unbidden-yidden · 7 months
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In Judaism, one alternative way of referring to converts is "Jews by Choice."
If a parallel term exists in Xtianity I am not aware of it, but I would like to propose that it really should exist, albeit not just in reference to converts but to all Xtians. Every Xtian should get the opportunity to fully understand their faith in context and to make an informed decision to choose it for themselves. As it stands, many Xtians are deeply ignorant about Jewish history (before and after the formation of Xtianity), the original cultural context for the stories in the Old Testament, the cultural Jewish context that Jesus existed and taught in, the critical historical (scholarly) read of these texts, what they probably meant to the Israelites who produced them, and what they mean to Jews today and how we read these same texts differently in our religious context.
This creates a problem, where Xtians are taught only the narrow band of context that their church deems it important for them to know, and even that is frequently inaccurate or so limited in scope as to make it inaccurate by omission.
And this is because the reality is that the Tanakh (that is, the Hebrew and Aramaic scriptures that the Old Testament is based on) does not naturally or inevitably lead to the Jesus narrative. If you are starting from a Xtian perspective, and especially if you read the New Testament first and then and only then dive into the Old Testament, the Jesus narrative is obvious to you because you are looking for it, expect to see it there, and are coming at these texts with that reading lens in mind. And it's not that you or anyone else is nuts to see that narrative there - there are plenty of solid Xtian reads of these texts that make sense if you already believe in Jesus as presented by the New Testament.
But what the vast majority of Xtians aren't taught is how to approach the Tanakh from a Jesus-neutral perspective, which would yield very different results.
Now you might fairly ask, why would they *need* to approach the Tanakh with a Jesus-neutral perspective? They're Xtians! Xtians believe in Jesus, that's what makes them Xtians!
My answer is multi-pronged: First, I believe that G-d wants a relationship with all people, and speaks to us in the voice we are most likely to hear. That's inherently going to look different for everyone. And that's okay! G-d is infinite, and each of our relationships with G-d are going to only capture the tiniest glimpse into that infinite Divine. Therefore, second, when approaching religion, everyone sees what they want to see. If you nothing religion but find your spirituality in nature, you're going to come at these biblical texts with that lens and take away from them similar things that one might take away from other cultural mythologies. If you, like me, are coming at these texts with a Jewish mindset, you are going to come away with a portrait of Hashem and our covenantal relationship as Am Yisrael. And, of course, if you read with a Xtian lens, you're going to see the precursor narratives leading up to Jesus. That reading bias is not only understandable but good or at least deeply human. Everyone sees what they want to see in these texts. There is no objective or flawless way to read them, and to claim that there is, is to claim that not only is there only one answer, but only one kind of relationship that G-d wants to have with people, that you personally happen to know what that is, and that everyone else is wrong. I am sorry, but if you believe that - if you truly think that you in particular (and/or the people you happen to agree with) know the mind of G-d, then you do not worship G-d. You worship yourselves, because to know the entirety of G-d would require you to be G-d. There's a term for that. That doesn't mean there aren't wrong answers too. But it does mean that there is no singular unimpeachable reading of the texts. What you see in these texts then, says far more about you than it does about the texts themselves or G-d.
So the question then becomes: Why do you want to see this? (Whatever your "this" is.) If your read of these texts is something you choose, why do you choose to see what you see? And is it a meaningful choice if you are not taught other ways of knowing, other perspectives on these texts, and to think critically while exploring them?
Judaism inherently teaches a multiplicity of opinions on the texts, and maintains that they can be read to mean different things, even at the same time by the same person. Deep textual knowledge and methods for learning more, asking questions, challenging accepted answers as a way to discover new meaning, and respectful disagreement are baked into our culture and methods. Some Xtians of some denominations have analogous processes, although on the whole still emphasize correct unified belief over correct action with a multiplicity of belief. I am not suggesting here that Xtians stop approaching their own scriptures as Xtians or adopt Jewish methods instead. What I am suggesting is that Xtians should be taught a fuller picture of these texts and learn other perspectives so that they (1) understand their own beliefs and why they believe them (or after further inquiry if they believe them), and (2) understand and respect that this is what they are choosing to believe and that it is not the only thing one could reasonably believe. Because (3) if not, they are more susceptible to having their faith shattered at random by something unexpected, and will connect less to their faith as a relationship with G-d and more as an obligation based on an unchallenged world view.
And, frankly? (4) It will help them to be better neighbors, to love their neighbor as themselves, and to give to others the respect that they would like to receive.
Being taught the historical context, Jewish history before and after Jesus, the differences between the Old Testament and the Tanakh, the timeline of the development of Xtianity in relationship to rabbinic Judaism in the wake of the destruction of the Second Temple, the development of church doctrine and the various splits amongst the denominations, and Jewish readings of the Tanakh would give clarity and desperately needed context to Xtians about their religion. Is there some risk that some people, upon understanding these things would drop out of faith entirely or, like me, discover that they are actually meant to be Jews? Yes, definitely.
But let me let you in on a little secret: you don't want those people to begin with. You really don't. Because the reality is that if a person is not called to relate to G-d through Jesus, eventually that person will learn this about themselves one way or another. If they are given the information and tools to make a meaningful choice, they will part company on good terms. If not, they will likely become disillusioned and leave the church in pain, anger, and even trauma. They will bring that out into the world with them, and spread the bad news about the Good News making it even more likely that other people who were already on the fence will jump ship on bad terms. You cannot trick people into a meaningful relationship with G-d. You can only give them the tools they need in order to explore on their own and the rest is between them and G-d.
And the bottom line is that you don't need to and should not be afraid of knowledge. If your faith cannot stand up to scrutiny, then it deserves that scrutiny tenfold. The people you lose from the flock? You would have lost them anyway, because we aren't in the driver's seat here. G-d is. Hashem called me to be a Jew with just as much love and desire to connect as G-d calls Xtians to the church and to Jesus. A faith examined is a faith deepened or exposed in its weakness. And if it is the latter, don't you want people to know this sooner rather than later in order to fix it?
So my proposition and wish for Xtians is that they become Xtians by Choice. That they delve deeply into the origins and context of their faith so that they can be 100% certain that they understand their Xtian faith and why they choose to relate to G-d through that lens.
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pussyluvr2000 · 3 months
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From American Jesus by Stephen Prothero
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mordcore · 1 year
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i am soooooo tired
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zonatcannibalism · 1 month
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yall really be like "SOME genocide is bad. its only bad if they dont deserve it" and act like thats standing up for human rigths and being "better then older generations" like thats not the exact same as the christian(broad generalisation i know) "all sinners should go to hell" repackaged
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water-mellie-seeds · 1 month
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........my christian mother sent me a dm request on instagram tonight and i was like huh weird i wonder why shes hitting me up on insta of all places, i don't use that. I open it. Its.... a clip of fucking YOUNG SHELDON with no caption or additional messages from her. Hes talking to his mom about how she doesnt believe in god anymore and then he gives some bullshit science and logic reasons she should and knowing my mom she legit thought sending this to me would re-convert me. She thinks im farkle from that one girl meets world ep. She thinks im one prism analogy away from coming back to jesus
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a-dinosaur-a-day · 10 months
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When i was a little 'un in grade school i happened to watch an episode of nova, detailing how the planet was formed billions of years ago and when we (humans) showed up pretty not too long ago and i was like ok. And then my yeshiva said all of it it in 6 days babe, and i approached a rabbi wirt the conflicting idea and he said "well, whos to say the days of creation was like a day now? Each 'day' could have been millions of years long" and i accepted that.
and that has been the majority jewish opinion about that story until the 1800s!
YECism is actually very recent. it only evolved as a response to figuring out evolution. everything before then doesn't actually count, because people were constantly pointing out that the original story was probably more allegorical than anything, when actually confronting said story
it is a mainly xtian philosophy, but it bled into Jewish circles because it's our story originally. And those Jewish philosophies that decided to adopt Xtian literalism (ie, strict orthodox groups) in order to enforce control over their communities took it on.
but it is not, and never has been, a jewish philosophy. just an xtian cult that some of us unfortunately got dragged into.
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hussyknee · 1 year
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eljayetc · 2 months
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“… being punished meant I wouldn’t be abandoned.”
When Religion Hurts You by Laura E. Anderson, PhD
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lilithism1848 · 7 months
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In 1974 fundamentalist Christians in Kanawha County were so upset over "immoral" books like "Autobiography of Malcolm X" being introduced to local schools that they dynamited a school, attacked school buses with shotguns, and planted a bomb at a school board member's home.
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sag-dab-sar · 4 months
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The Need to Recognize Christmas' Preferential Treatment 🎄
Christmas is seen as "stolen" from pre-Christian traditions or described as "not really Christian". Some of it is legitimate (e.g with specific local or national folk traditions), a lot of it is pseudo-history (e.g Mithras birthday, an entire Christmas tree, lights) but frankly neither actually matter. Because, in our modern world, Christmas holds a prestigious place due to Christianity.
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Here are examples that showcase Christmas' ubiquitous, unquestioned place in many Culturally Christian nations and why we need to recognized its ubiquity:
Appropriation of Judaism, re-imagined for Christmas exists like this. @/koshercosplay has basically an infinite amount of examples to use for these posts and even gets sent asks of more examples.
There is no Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu or other religions' holidays reserved as an official federal holiday in the US. So all non-Christian religious holidays are labeled as "accommodations" while Christmas is a given.
While my post targets the US because thats were I am from, this isn't US only. Christmas is a public holiday in a large protion of countries around the world (see map).
Hallmark Christmas movies, that are made by the dozens at this point and are a US Christmas staple, are propaganda longing for a better ""family friendly"" white washed Christian version of America that never existed.
Hallmark has added anti-semitism into it's Christmas movies.
A Hanukkah presentation was banned in a Florida school meanwhile the same school was celebrating Christmas activities and decorations. Justified by Florida's Parental Rights Bill ("Don't say gay" bill) "obligating us to follow the 5th grade standards [...] At this time, a Chanukah presentation is not in our standards." It was only reversed to to social media outcry.
Something similar also happened in a Vancouver school where Christmas decorations were allowed because they "aren't religious" while Hanukkah ones were explicitly denied.
Fasting and breaking for prayer during Ramadan is seen as an inconvenience to employers, who need "guidance" on how to "accommodate" their Muslim employees. And has led to Muslims being straight up fired. Whereas Christmas decorations, events, or music in a work setting is fine.
Universities won't hold classes on Christmas but will reverse their practice of not holding classes on Yom Kippur & Rosh Hashanah because not holding classes on those holidays is "intended to insure greater continuity in the academic schedule and minimize course disruption for students." Those two holidays are a debate at the university— Christmas is never a debate.
Not holding classes on Eid al-Adha is also controversial! This also included reversing the decision to not have classes. The decisions to not hold classes on the holiday is a debate at the school board— Christmas is never a debate.
To make it all worse in the US: Christian Nationalism is dramaticlly increasing x x x
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No matter what pagan-ness or secular aspects can be found in Christmas it has a privileged special place in our culture— that is afforded to no other religion— specifically because it is Christian. There are a few examples where this isn't the case (e.g Japan) but those are very few and far between
In my strong opinion: if you choose to celebrate the holiday, as a Christian or non-Christian, you should recognize the special spot & privilege it has.
You shouldn't dismiss that fact and the above examples because "pagan origins" or "celebrating it in a secular way"
Maybe next time when your classmate, your child's classmates, or you sibling's friend want to put up Hanukkah decorations in school next to the Christmas ones you can speak against the school administration that bans it, or against the teacher who gets upset at the idea.
Or perhaps you can be the person at the school board meeting who points out that Christmas isn't any more special than Yom Kippur or Eid al-Adha so why are those debatable when Christmas isn't.
Recognizing these things is not raining on Christmas' parade nor does it mean you should feel guilty for celebrating, its simply a matter of expanding you view of the world and learning the obstacles other people face.
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Recognizing its preferential spot is paramount imo but if you'd also like to touch on the history of the matter:
Here is some info on the "Christmas is stolen" argument, as well as tracing secular and religious history of the holiday.
The origins of Christmas and its traditions are marred with psudeo-history plastered all over news websites, blogs, and supposedly reputable sources. But many of this comes down to secondary sources citing each other in a loop without primary sourcing. Here is an example of how that can happen (not xmas related).
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uschi-the-listener · 1 month
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Out of True
Two men and a bird
one a cartoonish figure in a toga
walking on clouds
(not many of those around here)
the other, a baby boy in a barn
(and the boy-ness of the baby is made obvious)
cluttering up the animals' dinner
or
a slender white man in a beard
and a bathrobe and sandals
and a suffering, bleeding,
naked horror
for scaring people into
some version of
artificial goodness
And the Bird
a tiny
flying
dinosaur
meant to represent
the interface
between god and human
(and we are to assume this is
not one of the statue-crappers)
There are no women here.
Not in ancient garb
striding around
pontificating on clouds
no baby girls
in the hay
no sandaled handsome young women
or torture victims hung up to die
at least none who become
objects of worship
and fashionable jewelry.
And this is taken as a given.
No one questions why
half the human race
the murdering half
the serial killer
mass murderer
beating, raping
molesting half
is Holy and
2/3 of Religion
And the other half
is of no consequence
none at all
either invisible
or chattel
or subhuman
Unholy, unblessed, and occasion of sin
by
the standards of
the Holy half
Life goes on
and balance is
lacking
and gets more and more
out of whack
the gears are grinding
there is thumping
and squeaking
and screeching of
unbalanced parts
the Engine of the Universe
is tearing itself apart
because Balance has been lost
and bolts are sheering off
and there isn't enough oil
to smooth the way
to grease the parts
and a very big part
is missing.
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randomtwospirit · 8 months
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currently grappling with the nuance of Jesus Christ Superstar. Being a retelling of the Passion narrative it’s very very easily prone to antisemitism, but as I think on it more and more and more I realize there’s just so much nuance to it so any Jews who would be willing to volunteer their time and energy I would love for you to advise
I think that, being a piece of media so intricately tied to Christianity it, like our society, can never truly escape the trappings of antisemitism, but as far as it goes this one is just so complex.
for example - Annas and Caiaphas are presented as definitely being in a homoerotic relationship and clearly in the leather subculture which is just kinda like… ok but also there’s this one production from southern Italy where they seem to be wearing straight-up fascist uniforms from what I can see which is like…. Really fucking weird and also that one made Annas a woman so it becomes hetero-erotic I guess? Furthermore they’re depicted in such a way that in the surface they seem greedy for power or money but then if you actually pay attention to what they say it’s more just them being good leaders looking out for the best interests of the Jewish people in the face of a volatile and hostile Roman administration. It’s all so complicated since they’re very round characters.
Another example - in this retelling it’s actually quite unclear if it’s actually the Jews who call for the crucifixion but instead perhaps Jesus’ followers themselves? Idk it’s unclear. On top of this, Judas, who gets cast as a figure who just genuinely cares about Jesus and thinks that the fame got to his head and caused this mess WHILE ALSO, like Annas and Caiaphas, sees him as a threat to the well-being of the Jewish people. and he’s Probably Right ™️.
None of these characters can be truly said to be a good or bad guy which is just truly masterful from a writing standpoint but also makes the question of antisemitic influence on the media so much more complex and nuanced.
really I don’t think it can be honestly said that anything made on the topic can be truly free of antisemitism due to the way it’s ingrained into our culture, and I think really we have decide where our personal line is for “intentionally and harmfully antisemitic” but I’m not sure where that is as regards JCS for me
at the end of the day I’m just this goyische kid who takes antisemitism seriously and has a penchant for Pondering and Contemplating Media ™️ (especially one so easily Pondered and Contemplated as JCS) so what do I know
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bringmemyrocks · 25 days
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I’ve seen discussion about it in the ex Christian community but from your perspective, what makes the “culturally Christian” stuff BS? One thing I’ve noticed is that almost everyone that uses it turns out to be a Zionist with a hateboner against atheists, Muslims and Catholics/christians which goes back to your “Christianity isn’t inherently antisemitic” post.
Part 2
I forgot to mention this in my previous ask, but you mentioned on your “Christianity/atheism/islam aren’t inherently antisemitic” post that you really don’t like the term “xtianity” that many jumblr bloggers use. What is it that you don’t like? It does come off as chauvinistic and insulting to people who are Christian/catholic and aren’t hateful, evil or antisemitic.
Thanks for asking me! Most of what you will find below is personal observation and opinion as it's not a well-documented phenomenon even though it happens all the time on here. I wanted to do more research, but there weren't many sources to consult as most of the people who use these terms have me blocked.
I'll share about the terms and end with a personal religious objection to the practice.
I know you’ve read my “Christianity is not inherently antisemitic” post, but I’ll link it for reference here: https://bringmemyrocks.tumblr.com/post/737277867614928896/i-noticed-on-your-about-the-point-saying 
Re: the term "cultural christianity"
So yes, almost everyone who uses the term “cultural Christianity” is a zionist and uses the term to silence disagreement. Some anti-zionists will use the term, but it usually still means they think that “all Christians oppress all Jews under all circumstances except maybe in Palestine” neglecting other racial/cultural inequalities. 
It’s a red flag, unless the person using the term is not doing so in an online way. (Eg. “My family are culturally Christian, so we celebrate Easter even though we’re not religious” as opposed to “culturally christian atheists stfu challenge.”) I don’t want to say that nobody can use the term ever, especially if people find it useful to describe themselves, but Jumblr basically uses the term as an insult towards anyone they don't like, which renders it rhetorically useless. 
I also had a Jumblr heavyweight tell me that any Jew who becomes an atheist becomes culturally christian. Tell that to Spinoza. Anyway.
It’s also incredibly vague. If you want to talk about right-wing evangelical protestant hegemony in the USA, be specific. (Note that this still does not mean that every single evangelical protestant holds privilege over every Jew, even in America. Race, class, etc. all play into power dynamics, and “hegemony” refers to large-scale dynamics rather than interpersonal interactions, online or otherwise.) 
Re: the term “Xtianity” 
In my experience, two groups of people write it this way: Christians writing abbreviations (less common on this hellsite but I still see it across the rest of the internet), and Jews and/or ex-Christians who buy into Jumblr “writing it differently is a way of subtly disrespecting this religion I don’t like.” The latter is what we call a maladaptive coping mechanism if you want to get technical (anti-psych crowd don’t come after me, I come in peace).  
For Christians: “X” is how “Ch” is written in the Greek alphabet, so “Xtianity” or “Xmas” are not actually censoring the word “Christ” as much as abbreviating it. That’s why you see “Happy Xmas” written on cards and such–it’s not meant as censorship in this case. I It’s faster to write and takes up less space. Obviously I don’t take issue with this. Christian writer and theologian CS Lewis often used this abbreviation in his notes. I think at least some ex-Christians may be writing it “Xtianity” as an abbreviation and not as an intentional slight, but you know this better than I do. 
The (ostensible) reason that Jumblr censors the word: Some Jews censor the word “Christ” in any context to avoid any accidental acknowledgement of Jesus as the messiah/divine/etc. I think God and people are smarter than that, but YMMV. Some ultra religious Jews also refuse to write or say “Jesus” and will instead write “JC” or say “Yoshke” or some equivalent. This is not a new tradition, but it is far from the norm in many non-hasidic Jewish circles today. I specify “hasidic” because it’s not the norm in the non-hasidic ultra-orthodox circles in my immediate area. 
Jews who can and do write out the word “Christianity”, a very abbreviated list: 
Religious Jewish biblical scholars Jon Levenson, James Kugel, and Amy Jill Levine
Orthodox Rabbi Jonathan Sacks and every single rabbi I’ve ever met, including several orthodox ones.  
Members of the yeshivish ultra-orthodox community in my state
Liberal Jews who aren’t chronically online 
Just about any Jew engaging in interfaith dialogue (Orthodox Jews are less likely to engage in interfaith dialogue than more liberal Jews.) 
Writing it out as “Xtianity” as a means of censorship absolutely does come off as disrespectful even if the person doing so insists otherwise. And people respectfully engaging in interfaith spaces know this. (But that said, writing it “xtianity” is not that common among Jews to begin with–I had a really hard time even finding a page explaining why some Jews do this, and there are chabad and myjewishlearning pages for just about everything Jews do.) 
The best source I could find is this Tumblr post where user progressivejudaism explains why they do not misspell “Christianity” out of respect: https://progressivejudaism.tumblr.com/post/168917584523/is-jewish-ppl-calling-christianity-xtianity-like
I’m not going to touch on the “does Judaism think Christianity is idol worship” question because that’s a longer post, but the answer definitely is not a unanimous yes, despite what Jumblr will tell you. That’s sometimes given as a reason for writing it “Xtianity”. 
In my experience on this website and on Jewish facebook, “Xtianity” used in a similar way to how Jumblr talks about “goyim” (Hebrew for gentile/non-Jew, sometimes meant endearingly but often used derogatorily esp among zionists). It’s used to say “this dirty religion I don’t associate with.” And that should tell you exactly how much respect is involved. If Jumblr is going to argue that “impact > intent” it needs to apply across the board. (Certain leftist Israelis on this site do this as well, and I side-eye it whenever I come across it because come on guys.) 
I acknowledge that some of it may come from trauma, whether someone’s parents or grandparents lived through pogroms or whether they left Christianity themselves, for atheism, for Judaism, or something else. But this misspelling in order to feel powerful or avoid thinking about other religions’ existence is called avoidance, and it is a terrible way of not dealing with your trauma, especially when it involves disrespecting others’ religion to this degree. It does not address the issue of Christian intolerance of Jews or of secularism throughout history–it simply flips and says “no you” with the bonus (for Jews) of claiming it as a religious practice that others can’t ask you to stop. For ex-Christians, it might just be a way of hiding their posts without alerting anyone who follows the "christianity" tag. Idk just a guess.
Coda, which you are free to take or leave (you’re free to take or leave this entire post; I am not an authority; I am just some guy online): 
In addition to the obvious issues of respect, I have my own religious objections to this practice as a religious Jew. I pray multiple times a day and say blessings every time I eat or drink. I believe that God is in heaven as well as in this world, and that every person is an image of God. I say this because reverence (“yiras shamayim”=“fear/awe of heaven”), and proper reverence is important to me. Being so scared of another religion that you refuse to spell it properly goes against both the commandment to love one’s neighbor, against the Jewish value of living peaceably among our neighbors, and the commandment to believe that God is one and all-powerful. 
The Torah teaches that Jews are not to worship other deities and are not to follow other religions (broad strokes). I believe that God knows the difference between me writing a “+” symbol in my notes and actually leaving Judaism for Christianity, the same way that he knows the difference between me kneeling to tie my shoes and kneeling before a cross, etc. 
The idea that writing out the name of another religious figure somehow gives that power figure over the Jew in question is antithetical to my understanding of Judaism. Some hasidic Jews will straight up not write the “+” symbol when doing math because it looks like a cross. I’m serious. This is our religion twisted into superstition, and superstition is its own form of irreverence. Our God is all-knowing–he cannot be hurt by a “+” on math homework or by us acknowledging that other faiths exist.
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hussyknee · 10 months
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I know Tumblr doesn't have an algorithm but I didn't know Tumblr didn't have an algorithm this much
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drstarlight · 6 months
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Stoooop not my partner sending me a youtube channel that they "thought i might find interesting" and the guy makes vids on overcoming shame, catholic guilt, and religious trauma
I mean I am interested in the vids but they did not need to call me out like that ashjkflds
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