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#yes i know sothis is immortal but she still looks like an actual child so What the Fuck fire emblem
t0bey · 3 years
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Don't worry, I kept forgetting to do that on my first playthrough too, lmao.
I played through the Black Eagles route first, and in every subsequent playthrough after that I always made sure to get the green-haired sleepy bisexual, blue-haired Sir Screams-a-lot, and the ball of Purple Anxiety.
i wish the game had more mlm and wlw options for byleth, bc the fact that you can marry sothis who looks like a child and is related to you but you cant marry manuela as f. byleth is sooooo much bullshit
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frankenby · 4 years
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Okay, I’ve been playing Pokémon Shield recently so consider this FE3H/Pokemon game crossover idea I had for a moment.
Characters:
As of right now, I’m only going to put who I think would be gym leaders/Elite Four people. I may or may not have given every student (and some other characters) pokémon teams with four pokémon each, except if people don’t care about this then I’m not going to do much more with it except for my own personal enjoyment.
Elite Four
Sothis: Champion I think it’s pretty obvious why she’d be the champion. They’re very respected and powerful, but she’s still given the opportunity to be elusive and mysterious.
Rhea: Headmaster of Trainer School (Explained in plot) and Elite Four Member She’s not as powerful as the champion, but she is still quite powerful. I’m thinking she’d specialize in psychic pokémon or dragon pokémon.
Lambert: Elite Four Member Dimitri will be well-known and respected, considering how powerful his father is. He will also have a lot to live up to. I’m leaning towards making Lambert specialize in ice type pokémon because Faerghus=cold and cold=ice.
Patricia: Elite Four Member Again, having your mother be on the Elite Four will make you well-known. Also, it’s plot important. I feel like she’d specialize in fire type pokémon because... you know. Flame Emperor.
Reigan: Elite Four Member Claude’s grandpa doesn’t have a name, so I feel like he’d go by his last name. Again again, being on the Elite Four will mean that Reigan’d grandson is well-known. I kind of feel like he’d be an electric type gym leader because... I don’t know. Yellow?
Gym Leaders
So I would make the nobles gym leaders, but also there are too many nobles and not enough gym leaders. Here’s what I have so far. My reasoning may be garbage (as you can probably tell from the section about the Elite Four)
Rodrigue: Ice Type Gym Leader I will say it again. Faerghus=cold, cold=ice. I just feel like Rodrigue should be a gym leader.
Holst Gonriel: Fire Type Gym Leader Holst was a General in the Alliance and was respected for that, so it makes sense that he’d be a gym leader. Why fire? I don’t know, but I’ve connected dots that aren’t actually connected in anyway to justify myself for this long, so... He probably has pink hair, pink=light red red=hot hot=fire
Seteth: Psychic Type Gym Leader Okay, I swear I had a reason for making him a psychic type gym leader and not a dragon type one, but I can’t remember it. Please just trust me. Or don’t. Please feel free to argue with me, actually. Also, Flayn would most definitely be like Wally and want to be a trainer, but Seteth would be like, “No. it is too dangerous, but you may have this Togepi.” Then Byleth would beat him and he’d be like, “Having my ass kicked by this child has made me rethink my view point. You may be a pokémon trainer now, Flayn.” And yes, Flayn is referred to as his daughter in this.
Miklan: Rock Type Gym Leader I don’t know. I don’t know why I want him to be one. I don’t know why rocks. Just rocks. “Not bad for your kind. A bunch of rocks.”
Cornelia: Ghost Type Gym Leader Tell me this woman wouldn’t have a Mismagius and/or a Hattrene. It just fits.
Jeralt: Steel Type Gym Leader I originally had this as Gilbert, but I feel like it would make more sense for it to be Jeralt. I guess maybe the reason for him sending Byleth to school/them moving would be so he could be a gym leader. Also, steel makes sense because he was a knight, I guess?
Ladislava: Flying Type Gym Leader I love her, okay? So I put her in here. What are you gonna do about it? Ground me? You can’t. Speaking of ground, I was going to make her a ground type gym leader, but it makes more sense for her to be a flying type because she’s got a wyvern, so flying type.
Judith: Fighting Type Gym Leader Again, I love her. It just makes sense to me for her to be here. Why fighting? She is the hero of Daphnel. She’s good at fighting.
Plot:
I came up with this at midnight when 1/6th of my brain cell was functioning. It’s probably got things in it that don’t fit the lore/are just not good and I’m sorry. :( If you want to add ideas onto anything I’ve put on here, please do. Feedback would make me very happy. Also, I have no idea what I’m using this plot for, it just exists because I made it and I wanted to share it.
What if there was an optional school for those interested in trainers? I’m actually pretty sure something similar exists but I could be wrong. Prior to their journey, they could receive a starter Pokémon and be taught how to strategize. Byleth and Jeralt could move to the nearby village a few months after the school year begins, but Jeralt could convince the headmaster—Rhea—to let Byleth join. Byleth could recieve their starter Pokémon I don’t know what the starters would be and battle against someone maybe Jeritza or Catherine or Shamir idk as a sort of entrance exam.
Upon passing, Byleth could be allowed to join one of the Three Houses. I’ve been considering naming the houses after the legendary dogs, the legendary birds, or the lake guardians.
(The paragraphs in italics are just talking about the potential names for the houses, so you can skip it if you don’t care about that.)
So I feel like Entei, Raikou, and Suicune could definitely work, but I’m not entirely sure how I feel about naming them something like, “The Entei House.” You could, of course, use their titles, but that would be something like, “The Volcano Pokemon House” and im not sure about that either. Still, I know Arceus is rumored to have played a part in these Pokémon becoming legendaries, and Arceus is going to play a part in the plot.
Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres could also work, but again, the names would be weird. “The Articuno House” Or “The Ice Bird House.” I just feel like those are weird, however I do like that the types for each House are different.
Then there’s Uxie, Azelf, and Mesprit. Their colors match pretty well, and the titles of these Pokémon could definitely relate two the House leaders. Uxie is the knowledge Pokémon and it is also yellow. Claude’s color scheme is yellow, and he’s very witty. Azelf is the willpower Pokémon and it is also blue. Dimitri’s color scheme is blue and Dimitri often has to restrain his impulses and strength. Mesprit is the emotion Pokémon and it is also pink, which is pretty close to red and it has red gems. Edelgard’s color scheme is red. The only issue with this is that Edelgard isn’t any more emotional than other characters, or at least that is what I feel. If anyone has anything to add regarding this, please feel free to say so! (Especially if I’m wrong about my Pokémon lore.)
The house Byleth picks would determine who their rival is (it’s the house leader) and who they would interact with more often. (Trainers sometimes travel in groups, so it wouldn’t be uncommon for them to see all of their old classmates hanging out.)
Again, the plot of the story was created by me at 12:00 am after reading a few bulbapedia articles on Pokémon stuff so that I could find the correct Pokémon to use.
So Sothis is the champion. Not many people have the opportunity to face her, and she’s very secretive. No one knows how long she’s been the champion, either. So I wanted her to have befriended a legendary Pokémon, but I also wanted her to be immortal (or at least I wanted her to have lived for a long time.) So, I decided to have her befriend Jirachi, the Pokémon that grants wishes. She became the Pokémon champion, but as she got older she wished that she could keep living and defend her spot as champion until someone defeated her in battle. Her wish was granted, and at some point she had children, Rhea and Seteth. I’m not incorporating her other children and I’m keeping their names, too. The Elite Four are the only people who really speak to Sothis, along with her son and granddaughter. They are obviously suspicious of why she looks so young and how she’s been there so long, so Sothis tells them the truth. When Rhea finds out, she is determined to protect her, knowing that being defeated in battle will mean she will die. Patricia, however, wants this power for herself. She secretly forms and becomes the leader of a team called Team Flame wow so creative I know who’s goal is to obtain the azure flute, capture Arceus, then use it to defeat Sothis, as Patricia is unable to defeat on her own. Cornelia, Ladislava, and Jeritza will also be members of Team Flame. Once Byleth defeats/captures Arceus, Sothis will ask Patricia if she really wants to be immortal and watch as all of her loved ones leave her behind. Patricia is remorseful, and Sothis asks her to return to the Elite Four. Once Byleth defeats Sothis, she peacefully fades away and Jirachi also departs.
That’s all I have for right now, but I would love for there to be an open discussion about FE3H/Pokémon because I love both and they are all that’s on my mind right now.
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i’ve been thinking about this for a bit and i haven’t seen anyone else try to post about it so eh, why not give it a shot myself
note: obviously spoilers for fire emblem three houses (specifically Verdant Wind), but also, since a lot of people are new to the fire emblem series with fire emblem three houses, i’m warning that there’s also going to be spoilers for fire emblem awakening in this post, so if you wanna go back and play awakening maybe don’t look at this post yet
anyway!
Let me describe a character situation to you for a moment; 
This character is the leader of a religious organization that believes in a draconic god. Said god died many years ago, killed by a human. This character now wants to bring that god back. To do so, they need a human vessel to take on the spirit of the god. Eventually, this character has a newborn child that, when grown, could act as such a vessel; however, soon after, the child is stolen away and hidden, raised away from this character. The child grows up into an adult, and through a series of events, our religious leader character comes back into contact with them. After finding them again, this character now resumes their plan to bring their god back. 
Now, while we’re hyped up on Fire Emblem Three Houses, the character I just described... sounds a lot like Rhea huh?
But it also describes Validar from Fire Emblem Awakening.
Here’s what I’m saying: Getting a character like Rhea is what happens when you take a character like Validar and flesh them out to try and make them more realistic
Obviously, there are some surface differences between the character. The god in question that they’re aiming to bring back, for one; with Validar, Grima is the Fell Dragon and wants to destroy the world and is pretty clearly meant to be the plain flat out villain with no redeemable qualities. Meanwhile, with Rhea and Sothis we... actually don’t know what Sothis was like, as a god, but we know that Seiros is supposed to be a savior to humanity. 
But thinking about it... are they really that different, if the purpose is to flesh the idea out and make it more realistic? 
In Fire Emblem Awakening, you don’t get much of an understanding of Grima as a character, all you know is that Grima just wants to destroy the world. However, in Fire Emblem Heroes, when you summon Grima and get to the level 40 dialogue conversation, it does provide a bit of an explanation: Grima says, 
“You know full well how I detest humans. 
They have no qualms asking for divine assistance when it meets their fickle needs... 
But how quick they are to shun their benefactors once they get what they desire. 
They become arrogant and make the same mistake repeatedly, incapable of learning the folly of their ways. 
They claim their actions are for the good of others, but that’s merely a show of self-indulgence. 
Humans are selfish. And the ugliness of mankind has turned me repulsive. 
It’s the world that wants me to be evil.” 
This is not the full conversation, just a bit of the beginning and the end is shaved off for space reasons, but the important part of what we need is there.
It doesn’t outright tell you anything specific, but if you look at what Grima says and try to put together why Grima would think in such a way, the picture starts to form; back in the days before Grima “died”, humans asked them for help again and again (“They have no qualms asking for divine assistance”) but never gave Grima any credit or thanks (”how quick they are to shun their benefactors once they get what they desire.”)
Because of this Grima sees humans as selfish and can only look to the bad in them. Grima turned their back on humanity
“Well, okay,” You say, “But what does this have to do with Rhea and Validar being similar? Why did we take a detour to talk about Grima?”
The next step would be to look at Sothis and see her view on humanity, but... we can’t do that. We know nothing about Sothis from before the beginning of the game, and during the game she doesn’t have any memories to speak of. We are entirely in the dark on what Sothis would have thought before.
On the other hand. We do have what Rhea/Seiros thinks about humanity. 
To Rhea, humans are the ones that stole her mother from her. Humans are the ones who slaughtered her family. She punishes humans as she sees fit to make them pay for these crimes, but because of her immortality, she can hold a grudge for a long, long time and by the time the events of Three Houses are coming to pass, humanity has long forgotten the sins that Rhea is ultimately punishing them for, because for her, it will never be enough. Rhea is ruthless to her enemies because she believes that they deserve it. 
When you look into it, the founding of these two ideologies aren’t necessarily black and white.
As for the Church of Seiros itself versus the Grimleal, I feel like this just further proves the point. With the Grimleal, we don’t learn... anything about what they actually believe in or what values they have, just that they want to bring back Grima. With the Church of Seiros we know that they believe in her because the teachings of the Church of Seiros tell people that the goddess has gifted the land and everything else to them and that’s why they should look up to her and thank her. It’s still not a fully developed religion, but it’s a step above the Grimleal.
So what’s my conclusion?
I believe that Rhea and the Church of Seiros are just a more developed version of Validar, Grima, and the Grimleal. And proof of the idea that everyone is a hero in their own eyes. I see Rhea as a complex, in depth character, but ultimately I would place her as a villain. A damn good villain! An amazing villain! But a villain indeed. At the end of the day it’s a “cool motive! still murder” because while I understand the way she acts and I can see why she thinks the way she does, she still uses her power and her beliefs to execute those that don’t agree with her and punish people that didn’t commit (and at this point, don’t even remember) the crimes she’s damning them for. Rhea sees Byleth as a means to bring back Sothis, and even though yes, Sothis is her mother and all, that also means that she doesn’t see Byleth as their own person but as a means to an end.
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