#young royals opinions

[spaghett-onaplate]

I'm curious to know what people think about Wille abdicating. I've seen very differing opinions. Some people say that he's never shown an interest in royal life, while others say he's never been against it - to paraphrase the hilarious words of someone I most unfortunately can't remember, "he just wishes people wouldn't act like he's doing cartwheels 24/7."

I can see both sides of the argument, and my opinions are very much shaped from the world around me so I'm torn. On the one hand, I want him to abdicate for his own sake as well as Simon's because I can't see him ever being happy on the throne. On the other hand, he's still a kid and much too young to decide.

I would say I lean more toward abdication, because to the best of my knowledge that would mean the monarchy dies forever, because he's the last viable heir isn't he? But if he were to become king, he could be the last king and use his position for good. So I don't know, I'm really conflicted.

Excited to hear all of your opinions!

#young royals #wilhelm young royals #prince wilhelm #simon eriksson #young royals opinions

[billfarrah]

Simon’s journey to find his own voice and autonomy in season 2 after being constantly tossed aside and silenced by the people around him is something that’s grown more powerful for me the more I’ve sat with the season over time. Yes, he’s a young teen who had his heartbroken and spends a lot of time in his feelings about that, but he consistently tries to take control over his life and his situation, and while he doesn’t always succeed and makes some bad decisions (Marcus being the #1 bad decision), he does it because he’s trying, in his way, to fight back on everything and everyone that’s done him dirty in the past. That’s why he sets the terms on his interactions with Wille, that’s why he quits the rowing team when he’s getting mistreated, despite believing he needs it to get better grades, that’s why he fights back against Jan-Olof for taking away his solo, that’s why he walks out on Wille when he realizes Wille hasn’t been honest with him about August, and that’s why he walks away from Sara when he discovers she also withheld the truth about August from him (and fell in love with him, no less).

Simon wants very much the same things that all of the other principle characters in the show want - love, acceptance, freedom - but unlike his privileged classmates (and even his own sister when she moves into the school and becomes one of them), he’s the one that’s always getting the short end of the stick and has to try so much harder to get what he wants, and we see him constantly fighting this throughout season 2. He doesn’t initially realize he’s fighting the same issue with Marcus - who is constantly controlling the pace of their relationship and talking over Simon - because he has it in his head that moving on should be good for him.

That’s why it’s so powerful when Simon pulls Wille aside before the Jubilee and tells him what he wants and what he’s willing to do to get it, and Wille stays completely silent and lets Simon have his voice (unlike Marcus who wouldn’t let Simon communicate his own reasons for ending their relationship and constantly speaking over him through their entire relationship), then immediately, through his speech, sets Simon free so that Simon will never have to be silenced due to his association with Wille ever again. Their relationship feels earned because Wille consciously works to undue the inequality he created in their relationship. Simon stays absolutely firm in his principles and is critical in Wille developing an understanding that actions have consequences for people outside of the sheltered bubble he grew up in, as his personal revenge on August satisfied him but did absolutely nothing for Simon. They may not know each other that well yet, but what they developed over the course of season 2 was a bond of deep respect and solidarity, and I’m more intrigued now to see how they continue to develop in the finale.

#young royals #wilmon #this is my opinion and feel free to disagree with it #but im tired of certain interpretations getting seen as gospel truth in this fandom #theres often so little room for discussion without getting brushed off #but i had to get this off my chest coz i was thinking about it #this got away from me

[bluedalahorse]

We don’t talk enough about the acting choices Malte makes when August is waiting for Sara to meet him for the dance, but they’re so good honestly. That moment where he’s trying to tidy up his room and make it look presentable so he slides his textbooks under his bed? So informative. Extra informative because there’s no one around to see him!

I know we don’t talk about those much because we don’t like to talk about August and sargust which, fair, but also like, excellent work. Might be my favorite acting in the series. Actually, it is my favorite acting in the whole series so far.

Yes anyway. Back to your lives, carry on.

#young royals #august young royals #sorry friends occasionally one must express an opinion

[groenendaelfic]

A Dutiful Welcome (5412 words) by groenendael

Summary: His Majesty The King of Sweden and his very male, very biracial Consort arrive in London for a state visit. Philip’s duty as heir is to welcome them graciously and with all the honors befitting their station. Philip has thoughts. Wilhelm and Simon are in love.

Chapters: 1/1

Fandom: Young Royals (TV 2021), Red White & Royal Blue (2023)

Rating: General Audiences

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Relationships: Simon Eriksson/Wilhelm, Martha Fox-Mountchristen-Windsor/Philip Fox-Mountchristen-Windsor, Alex Claremont-Diaz/Henry Fox-Mountchristen-Windsor (mentioned)

Characters: Philip Fox-Mountchristen-Windsor, Wilhelm (Young Royals), Simon Eriksson, Martha Fox-Mountchristen-Windsor

Additional Tags: King Wilhelm (Young Royals), King Consort Simon, POV Outsider, POV Philip Fox-Mountchristen-Windsor, state visit, Philip Fox-Mountchristen-Windsor Being an Asshole, but only internally, because Wilmon outrank him, Duty, Decorum, protocol, Versus, Homophobia, Racism, Classism, or something, Simon Eriksson is a Little Shit, Wilhelm is a Little Shit (Young Royals), Future Fic, Not Britpicked, Canon - Movie, Philip is not envious of anything whatsoever at all, Wilmon only have eyes for each other

Series: Part 1 of Kings in London

#uh #I strongly suspect that the audience for this self-indulgent piece of pretentiousness is limited to one (me) #and I wasn't going to share #but it was super cathartic to write #and I needed some way of getting my writing groove back #and willensimme offered to offer a second opinion #and thought it not the worst #so thank willensimme for this ever seeing the light of day #thank you you rock! #kings in london #young royals #young royals fic #wilmon #pov outsider #rwrb #new fic

[frogprinsen]

Vincent: You don’t care who you piss off, do you?

Simon: Not in the slightest, no.

#he doesn't give a fuck about your opinion vincent #good for him #vincent #simon eriksson #young royals #yr incorrect quotes

[altruistic-meme]

Am I the only one who actually likes Marcus in the beginning? Like I thought "oh he seems like a nice dude I want Simon to be with wille but this isn't so bad ig" and then when Simon tried breaking up with him his response????? Was so WEIRD? like it just felt off to me that he refused to hear Simon and just went on saying that they should still be together and brought up his dad. Like that was weird as hell. Maybe I'm wrong but if someone's breaking up with you you should just ... Accept it? And let them? It's one thing to try and convince them to stay bc you're so heartbroken, which is acceptable, but with Marcus it felt like different, like he was lowkey being manipulative. It felt like he wasn't listening to Simon at all. And I mean I'm not blaming him for Simon cheating on him with wille but dude you know this guy doesn't really wanna be with you lmao what did you expect

hello anon i love you. 

Trust me, you are NOT alone! This was literally my exact reaction as well. I actually kind of like Marcus at the start, and then during that argument my opinion completely flipped. Because you are very right: it was pretty manipulative of Marcus, and it wasn’t the only time he exhibited that behavior either. 

For the sake of “I’m not here to start drama”: I’m going to speak from personal experience and about my personal opinion on Marcus. I am always open to hearing other peoples thoughts on this as well, if you agree or disagree, just please be respectful about it. I have been witness to two different, incredibly manipulative relationships. I’ve done quite a bit of research because of this. So that’s where I’m coming from. 

Now, you sent me this right before my first rewatch of s2 which means i was paying lots of attention to Marcus when i watched it and I definitely took notes for this so let’s go!

Episode 1 (around 37:00): my first red flag in Marcus’ behavior was how he was pretty instantly overly-friendly and familiar with Simon despite the fact they’d only had 2 interactions. He greeted him with a hug, kept getting very close to him, and was hanging off of him during karaoke. Which isn’t always a red flag, because sometimes people are just Like That, but I still think it’s worth noting considering his later behavior. It just rubs me the wrong way that he is putting himself into Simon’s space so quickly. 

Episode 3 (around 22:40): the actual argument that you mentioned

Like you, I was perfectly fine with Marcus until this scene. I got bad feelings pretty early on.

Simon tells Marcus that he “isn’t ready for anything serious” and Marcus tells him that it’s okay, but then proceeds to immediately twist the situation in his favor. He pretends to accept what Simon says to begin with so that Simon won’t just shut down, but he does still put up arguments.

“I’m not like [Wille] … I won’t hurt you.” Bad Sign Bad Sign Bad Sign. Saying that he isn’t like Wille to catch Simon’s attention and to build trust. Simon’s trust in Wille is broken, and Marcus seems to understand that, so he’s using Wille as a gateway to establish a trust that he would otherwise have to earn. 

Simon basically telling him “that’s not what it’s about, it’s not about you, I just can’t do this now” was another chance for Marcus to step back, but instead he continues to push the issue. 

Him bringing up Micke was a trick as well. Telling Simon that he doesn’t really understand how relationships should look gives him free wiggle room. Because it makes Simon lose trust in his own judgment, and now he will look to Marcus to see if what they are doing is good and healthy. 

TOUCHING HIS NECK during the conversation made me furious actually. It built a connection between them, something intimate, again to build Simon’s trust. 

Reinforced by hugging him as well. 

“I know you don’t want to destroy something this beautiful” is also a very bad sign. Because now he’s telling Simon that what they have is healthy and good, piggybacking off of the doubt he created earlier in Simon’s judgment. 

“Let’s just take it slow” now he’s repeating this, telling Simon what his own terms are while actively ignoring Simon’s decision to end it. 

And finally for this scene, he gives a “reward” for Simon’s agreement. He offers to go cheer Simon on at the competition. 

Episode 4 (around 7:45): he expresses no interest in going to the ball, which is fine on it’s own, but it’s him shutting down what Simon wants immediately followed by proposing what he wants instead, to go to his house. 

Also Episode 4 (around 36:00): last one, this one also is a huge thing imo. “[Wille] seems nice. He’s not at all stuck-up like when he was shooting with Felice.” this is a direct attempt to paint Wille in a bad light. It’s an attempt to make Simon believe that Wille was only nice to Marcus because Simon was there, and that he is entirely different - even rude - when Simon isn’t there to impress. 

This is all to say that, whether it was intentional or not, I think Marcus was absolutely trying to manipulate Simon. So much of his behavior can kind of be waved away (“oh some people are just overly-friendly” “maybe Simon needed to hear that” “Wille did hurt Simon” etc) but also one of the major aspects of manipulation like this is that it can be easy to wave away. The person who is being manipulative doesn’t want to be clocked manipulating someone, it’s not supposed to be overt and noticeable. But it’s still there. In many little things and sometimes in a few bigger ones. 

This was something I noticed on my first watch, and the rewatch only further cemented it in my mind. Do I think Marcus was all bad? No, absolutely not! But then again, neither are most manipulators. I did enjoy him as a character as well, and the actor did a wonderful job. But yeah. I don’t think he did Simon any good. 

#so many thoughts so little time #i need to actually sleep today :') #this is probably only semi-coherent but it is what it is #i wanted to give you these thoughts while i still had them fresh #also most of the quotes are paraphrasing rip me i can only handwrite so fast #while ALSO trying to pay attention to the scene #anyway this is my opinion and while i am pretty solid in my belief of it i am open to hearing other's thoughts! #young royals #yr s2 spoilers #anon #askers #shh ac

[hipwell]

i have completely changed my mind since last season, let’s give august the crown

#young royals #let’s abdicate baby #love shouldn’t be this hard and the crown is making it harder #and honestly #august is really good at it and seems 100x happier at the castle than when he’s crying in his room at school #maybe this is an unpopular opinion bc of what august did

[theaviatorthatcouldnotfly]

wait wait wait i’m curious

rbs would be very much appreciated to get more input 🫶

#i’m personally in the certain they’ll be canon category #but i’ve also been seeing lots of people saying they might not be together in their opinion #so i just wanna see how the majority feels 👀 #young royals #yr #young royals season 3 #yr s3 #wilmon #prince wilhelm #simon eriksson #simon x wilhelm #wilhelm x simon #avi rambles #avi makes polls #edvin ryding #omar rudberg #lisa ambjörn

[thefrogsthewaterturnedgay]

YR FINALE SPOILERS!!!!!!! PROCEED WITH CAUTION!!!

OMFG!!!! THEY HAD US BELIEVING IT WASNT GONNA BE ENDGAME!

I really am so glad Wille ended up abdicating for himself, not just for Simon. If they had ended up together with Wille as crown prince, it would feel inconclusive, or like it wasn't going to last. And if Wille had given up the throne only for Simon, obviously that would be bad. So i'm really happy with the way it ended, Wille standing up to his parents and abdicating for himself, and ending up with Simon after.

Until the last like 10 minutes of the episode I was fully ready for them not to end up together, and it be some kind of sad ending. But it ending in a way that leaves hope, and them fighting for not just each other but themselves was perfect. I'm so happy with the end, yet i'm also so sad that it's over.

#just my thoughts #lmk if you have any different thoughts or opinions #I would love to discuss it! #young royals #young royals season 3 #young royals finale #wilmon #wilhelm x simon #cjposts

[mal3vol3nt]

i feel like the yr fandom actively chooses to ignore/forget the fact that the forest ridge boys are not saints in the slightest. like they didn’t make fun of wille or treat him any differently after the video because ignoring it was easier than acknowledging his queerness. not because they’re allies.

wilhelm has very powerful social standing and being friends with him/on his good side means that they will be in good social standing too and their future kids will be suitable partners for his kids (aka social climbing into the monarchy). wilhelm being queer and in love with a guy kind of fucks all that over for them. but luckily for them, he denied it so they were able to just pretend it never happened and keep treating him like a bro’s bro to protect themselves.

in all our headcanons, the forest ridge boys are actually good/decent ppl who genuinely respect wilhelm being queer. but canonically we gotta acknowledge the fact that wilhelm’s queerness being actively ignored by the forest ridge boys was not out of allyship, but was more so out of silent homophobia and self-preservation.

#in my humble opinion they aren’t even important enough characters to be making headcanons about but i digress #young royals #prince wilhelm #simon eriksson #wilmon #young royals s2

[dmajor7th]

Thought, feelings, and opinions on the YR3 finale

Far be it from me to rain on anyone's parade, but by God, the 'walk into the sunset' felt so cheap, lazy, and narratively unsatisfying.

Yes yes we all love love, love prevails all obstacles and suffices in all lacking, and now that they've trotted off into The Great Unknown and dived into The Vast Lake Of Possibility, it's all rainbows and sunshine from here on. Right?

If so, why does the rest of S3's build up stand in contradiction with the ending?

All the incompatibilities Simon and Wille have when it comes to class, wealth, social standing, etc, were really put under a spotlight this season and have not gone away just because they've had a little sun-kissed make-up. Once the car journey is over, they have to actually talk about how they want their joined life to look—quite the feat at 16/17 years old—and judging by Wille's treatment of Simon throughout the rest of the series, I don't see it the road ahead being paved with glory.

We blame (excuse?) a lot of Wille's behaviours this season on external pressures. And yes, Wille was trying to balance his duty to the crown with his romance and was under intense stress with his sick mother and looming ascendence to the throne, but a lot of his shitty behaviour also came from him, as a person. Those behaviours might be learned and cultivated in an upper class context, but they're still his. He chose to shush Simon in the tent then poke at the sore spot that is Simon's litigation settlement. He chose to shout at his mother instead of pulling her over for a more sensible conversation. He chose to pass on the pressures of the court to Simon regarding Simon's online presence, rather than discussing it with him or pushing back against Farima.

And yes, I know he's sixteen and troubled, but troubled sixteen year olds also have agency and personality and decision making abilities. As much as a lot of Wille's poor behaviour is a result of external pressures, we can't blame all his actions on external pressures either, lest be become a flat nothing of a character.

S3 ep 1-5 presented us with what seemed to be a fundamental incompatibility between Simon and Wille—as people, outside of any institutions. And the 'walking off into the sunset' ending glosses over all of that character and relationship build-up for the first five episodes. They even created all the mirroring resolutions for Wilmon ("I hope you have a nice summer" etc.), only to stomp on them with what? "Mom says it's ok for me not to be King anymore! Yay!" and that's it, a big silver bullet to all their problems, now they can live happily ever after.

Speaking of Kristina—Wille just asked nicely not to be King anymore and that was it? All it took was one polite conversation he failed to have with his parents for seventeen episodes and now he's "free"? Yes there was build up to Kristina's decision, but it was also way too easy. They finally get to have a grown up conversation with Wille—I don't think they're just going to let him go, like that, after 5 minutes in the car. They still want him to be King.

And even if he's not king, he's still going to be a Royal. He might not take the throne, but he will still have titles, land, duties, and a place in the Royal family tree. He's not going to be a damn bus driver now. The only thing is is that he might no longer have access to the resources he needs—namely personal security— to live the life of someone inextricably in the public eye, and that doesn't make him freer.

Look, I get that Wille and Simon's romantic relationship was central loci of the show, so it makes total sense why so many people were rooting for a happy ending. I begrudge no one, of course—there is no one way to consume or enjoy the show, and everyone will take from it what they need.

But if they were going for a Big Sappy Ending, I wish they wouldn't have make the cracks in Wilmon's relationship so enormous that they can't just be papered over, as it feels they have in ep6.

Long Live King August.

#young royals #young royals season 3 #wilmon #Young Royals personal opinion #young royals s3 spoilers

[leounderseas]

Rant I had with my friend that I thought was important since I'm on Tumblr and I can be more open with my opinions than in other places

#if youre curious #my marge headcanon is that hes 26 #30 at MOST #hes young and stupid i feel like that is very very relevant to his character writing and it would be so different if he was in his 40s #or something #he also fled from his clan at like #14 #so hes been doing shit on his own by himself for 12 years now IN MY HEAD #with no parental guidance #this guy has hella mommy issues #also i have to specify #please don't kill me #i know tumblr isnt as hostile to headcanons and opinions than twitter or instagram but please have mercy #i have a family #its 3 cats and two dogs and my mom #royal margarine cookie #cookie run kingdom #crk

[maddy-ferguson]

Unpopular opinion: most people in the active fandom right now will NAUT like season 5 lol (not me though)

are you implying that s5 isn't gonna be heartstopper young royals skam s3 esque. disagree❌❌

#no hate to heartsopper young royals and skam s3 i myself have enjoyed two of those #i don't LOVE young royals like if i was a normal person who knows how to quit shows i probably wouldn't plan on watching s3 #even though i don't hate it. i just only like it fine #i haven't seen heartstopper #unpopular opinion saturday #ask

[mysteriousboo]

(SPOILERS FOR THE SHOW)

im genuinely surprised when i found out that people in the yr fandom give simon so much shit and for what? trying to protect himself from getting hurt when wilhelm denied that it was him in the video after he PROMISED simon that he wouldn’t do that? or trying to move on from wilhelm? when simon got into dealing booze or stealing drugs from his dads, he suffered because of his actions! his friends(rosh and ayub) stopped talking to him, he couldn’t pay for the personal tuition and his mom and sara found out about it and were obviously very mad at him! sara got into manor house, made friends and mostly had a good time in the majority of the second season while she was basically betraying simon’s trust by not telling him who leaked the video and using that fact to get into manor house plus sleeping with the person who recorded and released the video! personally, i don’t think her character can be redeemed in s3! but i see people trying to defend her more than they will with simon and that’s very sad!

or the fact that even wilhelm didn’t have to suffer at the aftermath of the video cause he denied that it was him in the video! i mean, we all know that the internet sucks! imagine, the things simon had to read! and people want him to forgive wilhelm just cause he said he loves him?? i mean how can he trust him? does he not have self-respect? my poor boy prolly thought that he would only be hurt more cause if wilhelm can deny his existence now, why won’t he do it in the future? or how serious is wilhelm’s love for him if he can deny their relationship so easily after he PROMISED that he would do no such thing! or the fact that wilhelm’s doesn’t even apologize to him properly, clearly not realizing how much he hurt simon! i mean the guy keeps asking simon to be his secret? how can simon agree to that? notice how in the first half s2 it’s not that simon denies that he loves wilhelm, it’s more like how can i trust you? and he was right wasn’t he? wilhelm knew that august released the video but proceeds to once again make the choice for simon and keep him in the dark! i’m not saying that he didn’t redeem himself in the latter half of the season! but it definetely felt like only simon felt the repercussions of his actions! both Sara and Wille just got away! and august the guy who should have gone to jail was being rewarded by being the backup or getting the girl! simon definetely sufffered more than august and the fact that some people in the fandom still are annoyed by him is just really disappointing! atleast have a reasonable explanation for finding simon annoying or not a fun character! I mean if you can understand Sara’s action then simon deserves the same! i am not trying to say that simon isn’t at fault, im just saying that why are you harsher towards his character not towards sara, wille, or august!

also, can we not forget that marcus literally gaslights simon into not breaking up with him! like my guy can’t catch a break! i hope that simon gets to be happy in s3! even though he has to deal with his sister basically lying to him the ENTIRE FUCKING TIME!!!! my god, i just want both my boys to be happy!

#please this is just an opinion #im not trying to start a fight #i just feel that simon deserves better #i mean he is so mature for his age #plus he never hurts anyone intentionally #also i hate sara #her character cannot be redeemed imo #i hope that in s3 we get to see wille and simon being happy #rant post #sorry for the rant #young royals #prince wilhelm #wilmon #simon eriksson #sara eriksson #august #wilhem x simon #wilhelm young royals #wilhelm yr #simon yr #yr s2 #yr

[altruistic-meme]

once again thinking about how the fandom treats Kristina like she’s the devil incarnate and often refuses to see the same amount of depth in her as they do the other characters

once again thinking about how there are less than 25 fanfics on ao3 currently tagged “Good Parent Kristina” and over 100 tagged “Bad Parent Kristina”

once again thinking about how i can hardly ever find a fic, even that isn’t under the bad parent tag, that doesn’t have Kristina acting like a horrible terrible villain

once again thinking about how just because the way that Kristina behaves isn’t “Perfect Ideal Mother” this means that she must not love her children at all and will actively never choose their happiness or ever consider their feelings 

once again thinking about how Linda’s problems parenting are constantly ignored just because we do see her show affection to her kids, and apparently that’s the only thing that’s needed to make a good parent and any absence of this makes you a terrible parent and person

once again thinking about how Ludvig shows little interest in understanding Wilhelm, actively ignores what he says at the table, never speaks up for him, and yet the fandom would constantly rather make him a perfect and loving parent over Kristina, who we see doing what she thinks is best to protect her son, implying that she fought with the royal court to make sure Wilhelm would stay heir (something that, despite his outbursts, Wilhelm has said he wanted, if only to honor Erik), and specifically stating that she loves him and has no problem with his queerness, or with him liking Simon, aside from the scandal of the video.

once again thinking about how people will give August the benefit of the doubt, talk about how his character is deep and complex and how much they love that about his character, but absolutely refuse to see any deeper meaning or possible feelings in what Kristina does because clearly she’s just a horrible person and there is no depth to her at all 

once again thinking about how much of my own mother i see in Kristina and how much it pains me to see people saying that Kristina is an irredeemable villain who only exists to bring pain to her son because i know my mother loves me even when she makes mistakes and says things that hurt sometimes, because i know my mother is also human and thus not perfect. 

#once again thinking about the rampant misogyny of it all #sorry im just in my feelings #like i said i will personally fill the good parent kristina tag by myself if i have to #but i wish i didn't. i wish more people would contribute. #some of these points come from avie who i have had a logn conversation about this with sdhfskdhgksh #ily #anyway back to writing #i won't tolerate hate on this post btw everyone is entitled to their opinions and i respect your right to HAVE an opinion #but quite frankly i don't respect the opinion that kristina is a terrible awful human and a horrible mother so #i will be blocking you if you bring that to this post #i AM however willing to have a conversation if you wanna message me about it and we can talk #anyWHO #young royals #queen kristina #prince wilhelm #shh ac

[myyoungroyalsblog]

#what do yall think? #cause I've seen different opinions about this #thanks for the help emma hehe #young royals #mine #queue