#your mspec is valid

[sirenium]

'Safequeer' mfers when people are queer in a way they don't like:

[GIF ID: a toy decor skeleton getting absolutely eviscerated in a blue shredder with silver blades. Said skeleton looks like it's thrashing and flailing about as it slowly gets consumed. End ID]

#tw discourse #how are you going to claim you're anti exclusionist but two lines later be like 'l*sb*ys are icky!' fuckin loser💀 #like that's blatant exclusionism in your 'anti exclusion' space hon idk what else to tell ya #the absolute lack of self awareness makes me feel like I'm seconds closer to an aneurysm every time I'm subjected to anti mspec les etc shi #oh yeah also 'safequeers' are against nontraumagenic systems so it's the whole nine yards of bs with them huh💀 #use hazardqueer instead cuz that label is truly anti exclusionism #queer #lgbtq #lgbt #mogai #liom #hazardqueer #mspec lesbian safe #lesboy safe #endo system safe #endo safe #friendly reminder that all system origins are valid btw. not just endo and trauma

[rei-does-stuff]

What do you think gay men are attracted to in men that they can’t be attracted to in women?

It can’t be anything about femininity or masculinity obviously. That’s both sexist, and cultural so can’t be what drives men-only attraction.

It can’t be anything about stated identity because someone could lie just as easily as they could tell the truth in such a statement, and it makes no sense because homosexuality and heterosexuality exists in other species with no stated identities. It’s not like other animals without gender are all pan.

Saying idk it’s the vibes or some indescribable trait men have that women can’t but “I can’t explain” is a nonanswer.

Soooooooo what is it? Or do you think any sexuality but bi/pan is just cultural performance or an identity rather than an inborn orientation?

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What the fuck are you talking about?

#rei says stuff #ask #i like…Just woke up? #have I said any of this before? #i think mspec gays and mspec lesbians are valid is that about that? #im just like…Confused? #like idk im not a gay man #im a lesbian #ask a gay man your question not me

[cybrthrillz]

there is a great kind of hurt and betrayal from seeing so many of the people you used to admire publicly admit how much they dont agree with your existence or think that youre a joke

#cybrtalkz #i dont get how anyone thinks this is okay. when did human empathy get so low man #even if you dont think mspec lesbians are valid no one fucking deserves this #i have never purposely sent my followers to harass or dogpile on someone just because they dont agree with me #why in the world would you go out of your way to invalidate someone who comes out #i know that tumblr is at least a lot more open minded

[floatyochako]

I love when people tell me what my sexuality is because I'm a lesbian who likes fem presenting non binary people/Neg/srs </3 I'm not a msepc lesbian and never will be msepc lesbians are not welcome on my account

#mspec lesbians dni #mspec lesbians aren't valid #my sexuality is none of your business #you don't get to tell me what my sexuality is #I can like fem presenting non binary people #fuck off #pissed off

[gay-trans-cat-thing]

stop calling my identity contradictory there is no contradiction here

#this is about me being an omni lesbian to be clear #if youre also an omni lesbian or other mspec lesbian and feel like your identity is contradictory cool and valid just not my experience #fucked up the tags the first time i tried oop it happens #mspec lesbian

[unrestrainedbalderdash]

NOOO WHY'S THERE BI LESBIAN EXCLUSION IN THE ORIENTED AROACE TAG.

#DUDE. YOU'RE LITERALLY IN THE ORIENTATION THAT IS MASSIVELY BUILT ON THE SPLIT ATTRACTION MODEL #AND YET YOU CAN'T EVEN COMPREHEND THAT ALLOS COULD HAVE THE SPLIT ATTRACTION MODEL????? #(not saying all the bi lesbians are alloallo just trying to point out op's foolishness) #(also there's probably people identifying as bi lesbian for reasons other than that which is also valid #but pointing this out because it's in the oriented aroace tag) #like. it won't cover all the nuances but i can think of an extremely simple explanation for bi lesbians existing #you can just have different attraction types to different genders. it's simple! #dw i'm not getting too angry at this i'm just baffled by their chopt logic #anyway. bi lesbians are extremely valid and if you don't agree get out #queer discourse #<- not looking for any debates here just tagging for filtering purposes. get gone if you disagree. or think and change your mind. #tw discourse #cw discourse #if anyone knows the specific tags people have filtered for mspec and bi lesbian discourse let me know #just hovered over their accounts to block them. the asker is a minor so i guess i can understand them being stupid #but the answerer is 24 you should have developed critical thinking and common sense by now #rancid takes #<- gonna use this as a general tag for filtering

[baradyke]

bi lesbian discourse is so fucking exhausting because the same people claiming that you're homophobic or lesbophobic or whatever-phobic are the SAME people who are trying to integrate attraction to men into lesbianism. WHAT the hell do you think lesbians have been fighting for this whole time? fuck off with our labels!!!!

#i'm not usually visibly angry over discourse but my god you people make me want to scream #all the shit with that hacker girl on twitter is pissing me off #comparing people on the internet saying your made up identity isn't valid to police brutality #are you fucking kidding me #bi lesbian #bi lesbian discourse #mspec lesbian #txt

[blossomdapple]

Remember Victorious? Well here are my queer headcanons for some of the characters 💖✨

The names of all identities are under the cut in case you don’t know all of them:

Tori: bi demigirl Andre: poly demiboy Jade: genderqueer bi Beck: aroflux pan Cat: genderfluid transfem pan Robbie: trans omni Trina: bi Mr. Sikowitz: gay

#i kindly ask all of you to NOT start debates over this post #every single one of these identities are valid and my headcanons don't have to be yours #anyways jori is bi4bi and cabbie is t4t #mine #lgbtq+ #lgbtq+ headcanons #mspec #bisexual #pansexual #polysexual #omnisexual #demigirl #demiboy #aroflux #genderqueer #genderfluid #transfem #trans #gay #nickelodeon #victorious #tori vega #andre harris #jade west #beck oliver #cat valentine #robbie shapiro #trina vega #mr sikowitz #sikowitz

[starrynyxa]

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#i feel like. #the general attitude towards mspec lesbians is similar to that of transmedicalists #a lot of former transmeds have admitted they fell into transmedicalism bc of their own insecurities #and not wanting people who didn’t fit the norm of being trans to ‘invalidate’ their own trans identity #or make nonqueer people not take their identity seriously bc of those people #and we see a lot of the same ‘mspec lesbians are invalidating real lesbians’ argument now #when really your identity and your experiences are not any less valid because of the way another person experiences gender and sexuality #and why are you basing your ideals on being ‘valid’ in the eyes of people who aren’t queer

[fox-on-the-moon]

btw if youre attracted to two or more genders you can use bi. that can mean (but is not limited to:)

-having a preference for one gender (no matter how big)

-attraction regardless of gender

-attraction to many genders but not all

-attraction that fluctuates

-being attracted to men and nonbinary people

-being attracted to women and nonbinary people

-being attracted to people of different nonbinary genders

#bisexual #essentially if youre in any way mspec you can use bi if you want #there are other sexualities that also fit some of these and theyre perfectly valid #just know that bi is also there if you prefer it #you can also use multiple mspec labels at the same time #just been seeing a lot of biphobic shit recently and wanted to make this post ig

[vanilla-voyeur]

Binged a good chunk of the @dni-archive and found it fascinating. (Not gonna follow because it's an endless stream of the most chronically online takes.) Like most of the posts are like "DNI aspec exclusionists, xenogender exclusionists, neopronoun exclusionists, mspec lesbians, he/him lesbians, lesboys". Like how does someone believe in both of those things? I initially assumed it was just 4chan trolls but they make up most of the posts on that blog so at least some of them have to be real

#If you think this post says anything about my opinion on the validity of aspec xenogender mspec lesbians or any of those groups think again #It does say my opinion on DNIs which is that theyre all cringe #Mine is DNI if youre the sort of person I would want to block

[punkroselalonde]

Happy international lesbian day to ALL lesbians. Especially the lesbians who keep seeing other posts telling them they're somehow oppressing themselves.

Mspec lesbians, nonbinary lesbians, trans lesbians, lesboys, straight lesbians, he/him lesbians, they/them lesbians, gnc lesbians, aroace lesbians, aro lesbians, ace lesbians, any lesbians who dare exist outside the narrow box of cis white lesbian separatism, all of you are valid as fuck. (This is by no means an exhaustive list.)

You're not somehow harming your own community by simply existing, and the hatred is coming from a loud minority who knows nothing of our community's history. Queer elders are on our side, and so is everyone else who knows lesbian history.

Don't be afraid to take up space and be loud. Your voice matters just as much as any other lesbian's. You deserve to be proud, no matter what you're told.

#Sigi speaks #Sigi.txt #actual post #lesbian #queer #mspec solidarity #mspec lesbian #bi lesbian #lesboy #pan lesbian #lesbian solidarity #lesbian day #international lesbian day #rad inclus #queer solidarity

[inuette]

Radinclus does NOT mean Radqueer

[PT: Radinclus does not mean Radqueer. END PT.]

　🦴🎀 — proof read by the boyfie & ⛪️ — unedited

essay under the cut due to length

Well, to start with, what do either of these terms even mean? We have an explanation of radqueers (and why the community is flawed) here! If the post is too long for you to read, a basis is: They steal terms from others, support transitioning for terms that never supported it in the first place or that are impossible to transition to (i.e. transracial and/or transage) and their community is full of entirely pro-contact beings (people who support paraphiles, all of them, acting on their paraphilias) and groomers whether a "good radqueer" or not.

But then, what's a radinclus? It's a term that's commonly associated with and mixed up with the term radqueer. Radinclus is short for "radically inclusive," the term generally means one is in support of identities like gaybians, lesboys & veldigirls/turigirls and mspec monos (pan lesbians, bi gays, etc.) All of these terms are known as "contradictory" and/or good faith terms.

So, what's the difference? Radqueers have outright stolen terms and are misusing them, whether using the terms in good faith or because they think it's "cute" or "fun" in some way, they're still being misused and causing harm. These terms belonged to different groups that weren't necessarily queer, but are being taken to mean something they never meant in the first place. Terms that those who are radinclus support have history in queer culture and have existed long before radqueers ever decided to appropriate other groups' terms.

The terms lesboy and veldigirl/turigirl are typically used by systems, those who are multigender or those who are trans and still feel a queer attraction towards women or men. These terms were never meant to be used by solely cisgender heterosexual men or solely cisgender heterosexual women. To say that multigender people who may identify as a man and a woman don't belong in either gay nor lesbian communities IS discrimination. You can be a minority and a marginalized group and discriminate against other marginalized groups, excluding multigender people from these spaces is discrimination. By letting them into your spaces, no, we aren't forcing you to date them. But acknowledge that they exist — acknowledge that gender is different for everyone and because of that, so is sexuality.

For those who are trans and still feel a queer attraction towards the opposite gender, that is entirely valid! The NWLNW (Non-Women Loving Non-Women) and NMLNM (Non-Men Loving Non-Men) terms were historically used by TERFs to discriminate against trans men and women and imply that they were not 'actual men' or 'actual women'. Alternative terms to NWLNW and NMLNM are QLM & QLW (Queer Loving Men and Queer Loving Women). A cisgender heterosexual man would never understand the queer attraction that a trans man might feel towards women, nor would a cisgender heterosexual woman be able to understand the queer attraction towards men that a trans woman may hold. And no, a trans man using the term lesbian or a trans woman using the term gay isn't misgendering themselves — if one label fits them more than another & they're using it in good faith, let them!

Now, what's a 'gaybian'? Or a 'lesgay'? Or a 'straightbian'!? Someone who identifies as both gay & a lesbian (or straight and a lesbian, but we'll be focusing on what a gaybian because the same explanation can be used for other variations). You might be thinking now, well if the definition for lesbian and gay are queer loving men and queer loving women, how can you experience queer attraction to both if you're not both genders? Well, for one, most people who are gaybian are multigender — the way they view their attraction to both genders may be different because of that. They may view themself as both a gay man and a lesbian woman, and that's perfectly valid! If you believe that one or both of their identities as such are invalid or that they need to make their own community, that just means you have internalized biases against multigendered people. Others who may use this term are systems due to the varying genders and orientations between the alters.

Finally, mspec monos, also known as mspec gays or lesbians. Firstly, what does 'mspec' mean? Mspec is short for multispec, which is the umbrella term for identities in which one is attracted to multiple genders — i.e. pansexual, bisexual, omnisexual, etc. How can one be both multispec and lesbian? The most common explanation are those who use SAM, the split-attraction model. Many use the argument that SAM was made for aspecs by aspecs, and therefore mspecs cannot use it, but the first example of the SAM was in 1879 by Karl Heinrich Ulrich who used the example of heteroromantic homosexual in his writings. While romantic and sexual attraction may not be as separate and more intertwined for others, that isn't the case for everyone. Not everyone has to use the split attraction model, but it does work for those who's sexuality and romantic orientations are aimed towards separate genders.

Some people just ARE multispec and gay/lesbian — not understanding an identity isn't an excuse to shit on or discriminate against it. That's not to say blindly accept it, but there is proof and recorded history of these identities existing in the queer community for years. You cannot brush them off as "just a new fad" or "trend" when they've existed since before you did. Most radqueers support harmful beliefs and encourage them, radinclus is the inclusion of identities that have always been apart of our community — but have been thrown to the side for more 'easy to understand' ones. Whether you think they're 'the reason people aren't willing to understand' or not, don't fight against people who're in the same community fighting the same fight as you. There will be people who will hate you whether you're the most 'normal', 'straight-person-looking' lesbian ever or the people that you hate in your own community — the only difference is that when they're driving YOU out, there'll be no one left to help you.

Other Good Faith Identity Resources : Lesboys Carrd , Good Faith Resources Hub , Bi Gay / Lesbian Masterdoc

#➜ talking. #➜ resources. #➜ archived — anti radqueer. #anti rq #anti radqueer #anti prat #anti 🍓🌈 #anti radshit #anti radpara #radinclus #radinclu #rad inclus #( 🦴🎀 )

[awakefor48hours]

If you’re not inviting to the “weirder” genders and sexualities, you’re not as progressive as you think.

I literally don’t care if your gender identity is the Joker and your pronouns are why/so/serious or if your sexuality is sun you’re attracted to different people depending on where the sun is.

“But the right isn’t gonna take us seriously ” no matter what, the right will never take anything but heterosexual and two genders seriously.

“But it doesn’t make sense” so you’re saying that because you don’t understand, this person’s life experience is invalid. Sounds like right wing behavior to me.

“But then people could pretend to be queer/trans” oh no, the horror (how many shocked emojis should I add to capture this). It’s totally not like this is happening already. And pretending is totally rewarding enough to keep doing for the rest of your life.

What happened to “yes, we do have 87 genders and we’re going to create 5 more every time you complain”? Gender and sexuality is fucky, it doesn’t make sense and people shouldn’t be punished for not making sense.

You’re valid. Being mspec (whether that’s bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual, polysexual, etc), mspec gay/lesbian, a straight gay, a straight bi, etc, is valid.

#when I put ‘pro lgbt’ in my blog that meant #mspec lesbians #mspec gays #pansexuals #bisexuals #straight gays #he/him lesbians #and anything else #I don’t understand all it #but I’m never going to (intentionally) be an ass about it

[genderkoolaid]

then don't use transmascs synonymously with "anyone affected by transandromisia" maybe? also just because i'm not aligned with the binary doesn't mean i'm "unaligned"/not aligned with anything. there are more options than masc fem and nothing. you're addrsssing exorsexism so well that you're being exorsexist in your discourse and happily reduce all of it to transmascs, either misgendering or erasing us. no wonder we don't feel save with u.

you're not an Allie to nonbinary people affected by transandromisia let alone nonbinary people as a whole if you call all of us transmasc a ur literally out here using "people who experience transandromisia", people who go on T, people who get top surgery etc all synonymously with "transmascs" all the time and think you're not being exorsexism?? My own community misgenders me for what i do with my fucking body. Totally not transphobic. fully erasing us with your language isn't making space for us at all also afab demigirls and similar experience this too. they hate when people move away from binary womanhood. your heder is funny because your advocacy only care about people who are transmasc. yeah the other week someone was transandromisic towards me and i told them i'm not transmasc and they apologised. definitely bigotry is based on identity! only masca are affected 🤡 literally why do you think there are no "unaligned" or even fem nonbinary people participating in that discourse. it's literally a circlejerk that validates each other and erases anyone not transmasc but with identical experiences. you say you're trying not to be exorsexist but look at 90% of your posts/reblogs. fuckin identity essentialism. that's exactly what lesbians do when they claim that certain things are "lesbian specific" experiences but mspec sapphics experience them too, except yours is misgendering too. yet again, nonbinary people are left to fans for ourselves.

Look, I will try to do better when it comes to language, because I do think what your saying has some merit, but have you considered that you can make criticisms without jumping to "you want nonbinary people dead"? And I don't know the exact identities of everyone who has been involved in discussing transandrophobia but I am pretty certain that isn't true. I know there are unaligned, fem, and otherwise not transmasc/transfem people who have talked about it. I am one of those people. I get that you are angry but this is extremely hostile and it does not need to be for us to have this conversation.

Also, these all could have been one ask. Two asks max.

#m. #ask box

[punkeropercyjackson]

Came up with a Jercy take/au so i remembered those hcs i promised @kitkatperce LMFAO Here you go Sar🤟🏼

Black4Black obviously-Percy's monoracial and Jason's mixed because Sally's afro-dominican third gen inmigrant and the gods are black.Jason's a natural dirty blonde and has brown eyes and lightskin swag /lh

Certified t4t couple.Jason's a wolfgirl turned werewolf-adjacent trans man who's the walking embodiment of positive and healthy masculinity and is fully transitioned with top surgery scars and Percy is a pastel punk trans woman who canonically acts extremely femme eggy so she's a blue hair and pronouns mermaid-esque gamer girl and her new full name,Persephone,was chosen because the og gave her Metamorphose,food that's been blessed by Aphrodite to give the eater their ideal apperance so it's basically hrt for trans people,as a gift and Percy wanted to thank her

Also transhet4transbi demi4demi and autistic4autistic but Percy's got no masking game and Jason's got all of it but he don't play with her ever

They were kinda meant to have a spark in every way-Tons of similarities but a few significant contrasts that don't lead to toxicity but instead them being complimentary and good for eachother,the beef between Zeus and Poseidon and how much Percy fucking despises her dad and Jason wanting to be completely free of Jupiter,Percy's severe older men trauma and Jason's defiement of what men are 'supposed' to be that's influenced by his transmasculinity but also a genuine effort on his part and connection with Percy that women are inherently better caused by the misogyny he also faced pre-egg cracking and even some afterwards from particularly big jerks and Jason being Hazel's pseudo-dad pre-Hoo and Percy being Nico's pseudo-mom before All That Fuckshit.Obviously they're not perfect together based off that last part alone and Jason's mostly a hc but it's certainly better than adultifiying Hazel!!

Percy's tgirl ass was glad to be friends with a guy who was taller than her for once and Jason found her 6' height hot on sight and immediately wanting to shock himself for because JASON THAT'S INNAPPROPRIATE,SHE'S A LADY AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HER!!!!!!(There was minus zero nsfw thoughts going on and he's just a prude)

'She's Lois Lane........But with Aquaman's powers.Does that make sense?'-Jason telling Piper about his Percy love epiphany and she rightfully laughed at him for it and he fumed in humiliation

Piper is a false romantic lead but there's no jealousy on Percy part and none on Piper's part either actually because she never actually liked Jason and only used thinking she did as a heterosexual allusion to avoid confronting her internalized lesbophobia(which is the general term for anti-sapphic in case y'all get mad,i know she's canon unlabeled and mspec)and Jason realized he's transhet instead of bi transmasc like he thought and just had envy of Piper's butch swag so they were on great terms afterwards

Huge on physical touch,quality time and words of affirmation.Percy can't keep her hands to herself once she really falls in deep for him and he's loving every second of it but is completely oblivious to the change,they do parallel play on a daily basis but also share a few special interests now thanks to infodumping and participating in them together and they're training partners and aside from direct verbal validation,they also leave sticky notes with sweet messages('Even if you weren't perfect today,you're still my Superman'-Your Blue Kryptonite/'Hey,the sea may not liked to be restrained but i heard she likes this'-Bolt Boy')and talk good things to others even when they're not around

Outcast gf x Popular bf but they cut the bullshit and go straight to best friends with zero judgement and only sunshine and clear rain.Them getting together by Boo would be forced asf so instead they're a Ghostflower situation:Besties with implied subtle crushes > Significant seperation period causes their hearts to grow fonder and they're fullblast soulmates by choice > They settle into it for a long while so they can be a real couple and true true love.This includes Percy having a Jason tributed hairstyle change as she dyes her faded from gray to white streak sky blue and Jason asking for tons of Percy sculptures to be made in her honor and she's as flattered and flustered and teasing about it as Gwen was and Jason has the rizz Miles does too

Back to the Percy older men trauma thing,i think we all picked up on how Weird And Unnecessary Luke is towards her in canon and i won't get into it so it dosen't get triggering but even though he never dated her,his frequent and looming presence combined with his again canon pedophile status to her own best friends(Annabeth and Thalia)and another friend of hers she felt awful for not keeping an eye on(Silena),he left scars on her regarding manhood that only fueled her transfemininity and hatred of the gods and Apollo in particular due to his treatment of the Hunters and 'history'.Jason's entire Percy appeal is despite the looks,he acts nothing like how boys are taught to and punished if they don't and the closest exception is how gentlemanly and chilvarious is he but even then that's black dude swag specifically

Percy is 4d,Jason is 4c.Her usual style is comics!Starfire hair i.e down to her hips and BIG FLOOF,his is shoulder length and his natural very thick curls.They have wash day together and Percy's uses fruity shampoos and gets Jason to do the same and they try out different looks together-Percy's favorites are butterfly locs,a blk version of mermaid waterfall and jumbo ponytail and Jason's are twists,afropuffs and at one point he got an afro fade with a lightning bolt and Petcy damn near forgot how to breathe

Nico's also black(Maria was black-italian)so cute lil found black family sitch.He could NOT stand Jason's ass at first for no reason,he's just a posessive brat over his big sister slash mom but Jason proved himself not too much into it by defeating Cupid before he even got a hint of what he was tryna get out of him and Jason telling him that he only cared Cupid was forcing him into something earned him lifelong trust.They're an official quartet as off Hoo finale and Jason makes regular trips to the Familia Jackson household and they have both quests and normal adventures and they can be found doing just about anything together from wholesome down to earth activities to buck ass wild supernatural shenanigans

Hazel's also a lesbian and pastel goth so her and Jason's semi-normie ass have a lot of fun getting to know eachother again /gen /pos.Naturally they talk about their gfs with Hazel's love life being as Mabel Pines-esque as she is by herself and Jason is goofy black dad from a sitcom-coded and supports her in her nonchalantly macabe nature and you can just feel the rekindled familial love there like you can Nico and Percy and when Jercy finally have their bio kids,Nico and Hazel become the best Tío and Auntie ever

Jason is Percy's All American Boy in a black biracial kinda way and Percy is Jason's Girl Next Door in an afrolatina kinda way

Something something The Man with his head in the clouds and The Mermaid who keeps her head above the water meet where the sky and the sea do and their worlds are forever transformed by it as they become just one united

And since this is a ships trend with me at this point:Jercy-coded images

#t4t jercy #percy jackson #persephone jackson #jason grace #black percy #latino percy #black grace siblings #trans jason grace #autistic percy jackson #autistic jason grace #pastel punk percy jackson #werewolf-adjacent jason grace #team mom percy jackson #nico di angelo #hazel levesque #black nico di angelo #group:yes when i'm with you i'm at home #lesbian hazel levesque #pastel goth punk hazel levesque #trans nico di angelo #autistic nico di angelo #autistic hazel levesque #trans hazel levesque #pjo #anti luke castellan #pjo gods slander #antilukercy #anti percy x gods #💌 #summerposting