#zemo only knew bc he went through all of the hydra file dumb w a fine tooth comb

[lesbiradshaw]

I just watched cap civil war again and I’m so triggered for/on behalf of steve. Team Ironman always blames steve “for breaking up the avengers” but IRL, Steve refused to sign. He did not tell the team wat to do. Tony gaslit ppl to sign, and blamed Steve. Steve wanted to Talk to to Tony after finding out the winter soldiers, but Sam said that he knew a guy (aka get clint/Scott). Meanwhile, Tony forced Ross to let him go after Steve and Nat said, they needed a team. They ALL made their OWN choices

i think one of the biggest problems with the civil war plot (other than the fact they made steve’s final trilogy movie all about the everyone else rather than him) was the fact that people were all focused on the wrong issues esp when it came to the accords. like.. steve never broke up the avengers or gave them all an ultimatum, he simply made his own choice with the rights of enhanced people and others in mind and in the context of his fairly recent experience with corrupt government control (that tony wasnt even there for but if they were such BFFs should have known about!). bucky literally had nothing to do with the accords so the fact that everyone makes it out that steve was being selfish by “choosing bucky” over the avengers is so strange 😭 bucky came into the picture AFTER steve refused to sign the accords and had nothing to do with lagos. when tony tried to kill bucky and steve, it had nothing to do with the accords and everything to do with his own personal interests that while semi-understandable when it came to getting upset, were not justified in action. when steve kept bucky from being killed or captured by the government, it was because he knew bucky wasn’t capable of that/wanted to give him a chance to explain that he knew he wouldn’t get otherwise. when the airport battle happened, steve only fought to leave because he was trying to go take care of what he thought was a world threatening issue with the other winter soldiers. those are justifiable reasons, even if some of the execution was flawed. tony trying to insist enhanced individuals hand over their autonomy because of his own guilt and then trying to kill steve and bucky because of what bucky did while under hydra’s control and because he insisted steve knew what happened with his parents… that’s not justifiable. that’s attempted murder and manipulation. that was all about personal interest.

#listen i love flawed characters #but tony in civil war was just being a selfish moron sorry #steve literally DIDNT KNOW what happened w howard and maria 😭 that headline flash of it from zola lasted a second #how would steve have known exactly what happened #and steve only said he ‘knew what happened’ after tony kept insisting that he did #so that answer was definitely pressured like #zemo only knew bc he went through all of the hydra file dumb w a fine tooth comb #which tony as a tech billionaire def could have done himself but since he didnt care ab hydra or what went down w steve and nat in tws .. #if nat didnt know steve Def didnt know #gawd #this discourse is a dead horse but it still makes me mad #anti team iron man #anti tony stark #just in case