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Slight spoilers for Volume 7 Episode 7
So Qrow is probably also going to be attending the dinner, right?
A dinner where he’ll be surrounded by alcohol.
I hope this is at least referenced, like him being offered a glass of whatever (probably some form of sparkling wine since it’s a fancy dinner) and him turning to look at Ruby before declining or something just something.
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I’m gonna talk a little bit about Ozpin and Ruby
Spoilers for Volume 7
Ozpin spent many lives deciding to shield parts of the truth from everyone because he knew the world couldn’t handle the truth.
He knew that if he told everyone the truth than either they would give up in the fight (Raven) or would join the enemy (Leo)
It’s mentioned that he’s been betrayed many times, even to the point where he didn’t even seem surprised by Leo’s betrayal, and so he chooses to protect parts of the truth.
As well as this Ozpin was under no obligation to reveal his very traumatic past to a bunch of emotional teenagers! Most of his secrets revealed by Jinn were irrelevant and only showed the connection between Salem and Ozma.
Ozpin lied, and that is not okay, he omitted some very important truths and lead a bunch of kids down a path that was certainly going to get them killed, he created schools full of kids who would protect the schools but knowing that most of them would not survive a fight against Salem’s team, but despite this, he had his reasons for keeping his secrets, he did the best he could and he had the best intentions.
This is what makes him a morally grey character. His intentions were good but his actions lead to a lot of bad as well.
What Qrow said to Ruby in Volume 7, that her lying to Ironwood was different than Ozpin lying, was true! Anyone who says she’s no better than Ozpin has not been paying attention to the basic message of the last two Volumes.
Qrow has been helping Ozpin loyally for the last decade at least, we’ll assume the last 15 years, and had proven his trustworthiness in multiple occasions, so he could have been trusted with the truth.
Team RNJR risked their life to get to Mistral to help because they lost someone close to them and they wanted to defeat the person that killed her, which means for the most part their motivation wouldn’t have swayed meaning that they could have been trusted with the truth.
Yang, Blake, and Weiss had no right being upset with Oz for not disclosing the whole truth in all honesty, they hadn’t been there for long, they didn’t risk as much to get there, their motivations weren’t as stable, Yang’s mum literally deserted Ozpin after finding out the truth, it’s understandable Ozpin would be wary about telling them the truth.
But my point is, for the most part, team RNJR + Qrow were all able to be trusted and should have been.
Now we get to Atlas, and since Volume 4 they’re been building Ironwood up to be getting more and more paranoid and rash, when we get into Atlas in Volume 7 we see that he’s done so much to hurt the people of Mantle (and I suppose to an extent Atlas) that a lot of people hate him. Even RWBY+JNR+Q all mention as soon as they see that he doesn’t look well:
Yang: “General Ironwood, he looks...”
Ruby: “tired.”
Qrow: “James, what have you been doing?”
The entire situation in Atlas seems strange to the characters, and this is what makes them cautious, making them go into Mantle in the first place.
Weiss: “I’ve never seen our forces deployed so aggressively before”
Weiss: “this isn’t right. None of this is right.”
And later cemented by Pietro who says point blank:
Pietro: “The fall of Beacon took a toll on all of us, James was no different. I don’t know exactly what he saw there, but it changed him, he’s...”
Qrow: “He’s scared.”
Pietro: “Paranoid would be the more appropriate term.”
Ironwood is acting on his fears, and due to the fact he’s got not only Atlas Academy but the entire Atlas Military under his control, as well as being completely backed by the council (helped only by the fact he already holds two seats on the council) he is the most powerful right now, and for someone who was called, by his friend, paranoid, this doesn’t make for much confidence when telling him important information that could only fuel his fears even further.
Not to mention that Ruby was very quick to tell JNR about the truth, despite seeing how her own team reacted to the news, because it was important they knew.
Ozpin lying was backed by experience and paranoia, but Ruby lying is backed by an accurate assessment of the situation.
They’re doing the same basic action of lying, but their reasonings are slightly different. We don’t have enough information to say that Ruby is no better than Oz, because the issue is, she’s only lied to one person that’s meant to be on her side because she’s already seen one of the Headmasters betray Oz, and can see that James isn’t the most emotionally stable at the moment.
We can only say whether Ruby is better than Oz if we see her lying to everyone that’s helping her even after they proved their loyalty.
My point of this is, Ozpin is not a bad guy, he’s just been through a lot and is too fearful to trust anyone anymore, his actions were wrong but his intent was still good, therefore he’s morally grey.
Ruby is better than Ozpin as far as we can tell, and Qrows justification of her actions is correct.
The people who are defending Ozpin to the ends of the earth need to realise that though he had his reasons for keeping his secrets, it meant he put a bunch of young lives at risk for a war he knows he can’t win, at least not yet.
But those who are attacking Ruby need to see that she was completely justified in her actions despite us knowing that it’s not okay to lie about such important stuff because at the moment they don’t know if they can trust Ironwood.
The situation isn’t black and white, its not ‘lying is bad always tell the truth’ more ‘situational lying can be justified however should not go as far as to put others lives at risk’ it’s a learn who to trust situation because no one should just trust everyone they meet.
To summarise my points:
Ozpin: Means the best but is too paranoid to tell people, even if they’re trustworthy, the whole truth about the situation at hand. Should be forgiven but should not be heavily defended in that specific action.
Ruby: Trusts others with the truth but also has an obligation to assess the situation to make sure that those people she’s trusting actually deserve it and there isn’t much of a risk involved in disclosing the whole truth.
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Actually I think it’s important to note his dialogue in Volume 7 Episode 5 “at one time, I would have drank to that” he’s still thinking about drinking, it’s still a thing that’s on his mind, his stuttering when he says “don’t worry I gave that up” I think it is a little bit of a struggle but he DOES want to get better.
So, I hope Qrow relapses
Dont get me wrong, it’s not that I prefer drunk Qrow or sober Qrow, it’s not because I think it is taking away anything from his character, honestly I love sober Qrow as much as every other Volume, however you don’t just get over alcoholism, or any addiction, in a day.
I want him to keep telling people, and himself, that he’s sober now, he’s better, but I want something to happen that will make him drink again.
I don’t want the same drunk rabbit hole that we saw Volume 6, just a slight relapse before he gets knocked back into reality and realised what he’s doing, maybe someone finds him and take away the drink and hugs him and tells him it’s going to be alright. And then we see him confide in them, maybe telling them a bit about why he started drinking in the first place.
What I don’t want is for them to just be like “BADA BING BADA BOOM HES CURED OF AN ADDICTION HES NO DOUBT HAD FOR AT LEAST A DECADE BECAUSE OF ONE SPEACH FROM RUBY, THATS HOW ITS DONE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.”
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So, I hope Qrow relapses
Dont get me wrong, it’s not that I prefer drunk Qrow or sober Qrow, it’s not because I think it is taking away anything from his character, honestly I love sober Qrow as much as every other Volume, however you don’t just get over alcoholism, or any addiction, in a day.
I want him to keep telling people, and himself, that he’s sober now, he’s better, but I want something to happen that will make him drink again.
I don’t want the same drunk rabbit hole that we saw Volume 6, just a slight relapse before he gets knocked back into reality and realised what he’s doing, maybe someone finds him and take away the drink and hugs him and tells him it’s going to be alright. And then we see him confide in them, maybe telling them a bit about why he started drinking in the first place.
What I don’t want is for them to just be like “BADA BING BADA BOOM HES CURED OF AN ADDICTION HES NO DOUBT HAD FOR AT LEAST A DECADE BECAUSE OF ONE SPEACH FROM RUBY, THATS HOW ITS DONE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.”
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