#as long as they don't completely butcher his character and/or cut major things out then i'm still gonna have a fun time :)

[the-nysh]

I think I have to vent a bit. I have rewatched the new episode twice, yet I'm very displeased with how Garou looks. He just doesn't feel like how Murata draws him. It's like they gave him wrinkles, his smiles make him look like the Grinch, his muscles look like jaggedly animated squares, his movements are so stiff and he seems way too buff and all of that just makes me so so very sad. I KNOW I'm the minority, but I rly want to enjoy the anime with everyone else yet I don't like what I'm seeing.

*pats* Hey man, it’s cool! :’) It’s fine to vent and voiceyour feelings, as long as it never gets to the point of attacking other peoplewho’re just trying to have a good time. And really, the anime is stillsomething separate and supplemental to the manga/webcomic anyway (it can’t ever touch or replace it), so as long asyou can release the mindset that’s otherwise holding it to the same impossible standardsas before (s1), then it’s possible to just relax and enjoy it as its ownthing instead. At least, that’s what I’m doing. I can’t speak for the otherfans here, but as long as you’re secure and realistic about your expectations,then the fanwank echo chambers (avoid the subreddit) can’t affect how you choose to enjoy it. :O It’s been years and there’s content I’ve wanted to see voiced and adapted for ages, so even I’ve got a mental checklist on what I want to see delivered most, even if I know it can’t possibly be perfect.

Anyway, I will concede though, that in the opening scene with him, they really jacked up the BEEF where it made it hard to gauge exactly how old he is, ahaha. :P (After credits scene was very manga faithful tho.) And yes, the art for his face was inconsistent at times (I’m reading up there were a bunch of animation directors for this ep, as opposed to just one person who’d have a stronger consistent say), but if it’s any solace, in those same intro chapters with him, even Murata varied his face a lot too before he gradually and comfortably settled into the Garou we all know and love. Take a look at all those beginning faces of him (ch40/41/45): 

Where he was a lot more slender and younger manic looking, for sure. Plus he had a strong striking resemblance to Hiruma (from Murata’s previous work, es21) back then too. Also note the dark shadow lining around his eyes which isn’t as prominent on him anymore either.

Compare to how Murata draws him later (ch86-91), and he looks more like this:

A lot more clean-cut (aside from the blood) and chiseled/angular around the jawline. Oh no he’s hot. He doesn’t quite feel the same way as Murata initially used to draw him either. I would say Murata’s settled his design into his own a lot more now (does not resemble Hiruma anymore; Garou now looks like Garou). Which is a neat character + art evolution dual progression I’ve taken notice. :D

So now what I’m seeing in the anime is an attempt to draw him more like Murata’s current design (instead of how he used to look), and we end up with shots like these: 

Which honestly feel pretty faithful! :O (That last one especially.) Like they’re going for more blended proportions (between past and present Murata designs) for consistency’s sake, rather than ripping straight from all those early panels. (Heck, getting these shots, I even noticed the canines show up more prominently later in the manga too.) So it really comes as no surprise to me if the animators had difficulty nailing down his intro faces here (which varied quite wildly even in those old panels from Murata)…when the main reference they’re going for is probably something more closely designed/matched to his later appearance instead. So if there’s a vibe/disconnect in there that feels ‘off model’ about the art, that’s probably the biggest reason for it.

I even remember the fan confusion for Midorikawa’s casting for him, because people felt the deep voice matched ‘later’ Garou better…and welp, now with the visuals similarly like that too, I can understand the direction for that! :D Definitely looking forward to what else Midorikawa has to offer this season! And especially when the eps start showing more of his sympathetic sides.

#Anonymous #replies #opm #garou #anime spoilers #panel comparisons #long post #whoaaa this post kinda exploded with caps ahaha #but yeah if the direction chose to have garou look & sound closer to his later manga design then that makes sense to me :O #still nothing's gonna affect how i choose to watch/enjoy this (lots of people were even upset for mp100s2 despite its stellar animation) #so no anime adaptation can be perfect :O #as long as they don't completely butcher his character and/or cut major things out then i'm still gonna have a fun time :)

[tigerlover16-uk]

If you don't mind me asking too much, why don't you like GT that much?

The list of reasons for disliking it would take hours to type out, but the chief reasons are: It’s REALLY boring. The premise starting out is terrible. I hate how Uub was completely shafted to the point it made his character seem entirely worthless, and Pan’s character was butchered and treated in the most insulting manner possible, but I already wrote a long post detailing the problems there.

I don’t like much of the humour, most of the action was pretty bland or uncreative with only a few stand out fights, and three out of four of the stories were almost completely terrible. And even the one that was marginally good had a ton of problems.

The majority of character designs are pretty bad, many of the new characters especially look AWFUL! Especially Baby Vegeta, sweet mother of God that design makes my eyes bleed! And I don’t like the overall aesthetic of the show, and something about the colouring in some episodes especially looks unappealing to me personally.

I hate how the vast majority of the supporting cast were either stripped of much of their personality and made more boring, were shoved so far to the sidelines they might as well have not showed up at all, or were just there to get easily slapped around. Or get insultingly killed off, in Piccolo and Buu’s cases. And when the show did try and do things with characters it still usually screwed up, like Majuub’s fight with Baby being totally anti-climactic and far too short. And Vegeta going super Saiyan 4 amounting to nothing, since he mostly just got slapped around easily and ss4 Gogeta being a time wasting nuisance.

And all of the past villains were simultaneously made into jokes in the Super 17 saga.

All of four new characters the show introduced were any good on that note, all but one of them minor villains who barely stuck around and were killed off quickly, and Baby becoming increasingly less interesting for the duration of his saga.

And other than them, the villains stunk. Dolltaki is the worst character in Dragon Ball period, Dr Myuu is a boring Dr Gero knockoff and looks silly, Super 17 was an insult to Android 17′s character and a catastrophic waste of potential with no redeeming value in his arc. And the only Shadow Dragons who were actually all that good were Nuova and Eis, the first two were pathetic, Oceanus felt like she should have been a monster of the week from an earlier point in the series rather than one of the final villains, Naturon Shenron was… alright, I guess, but still not interesting, and Omega Shenron is so boring and unsatisfying as a final boss that he makes Jiren look like Prince Zuko by comparison

There were good moments and ideas, super Saiyan 4 is great, and I do really like Nuova even if he wasn’t used as well as he should have been (like, what the heck was with that confusing revival immediately followed up by killing him off again in stupid fashion?), and there were good jokes or cool or touching moments sprinkled in now and again. But only the Baby saga was an overall enjoyable story, otherwise the show was boring or downright painful to watch as a fan, and even a lot of the good ideas it had were executed in THE WORST possible way, like the Shadow Dragons.

And it was all capped off with a horrible, stupid ending that just ruined the whole appeal of Goku’s character to me by trying to make him into Space Monkey Jesus for some reason, and cut off any possibility for more Dragon Ball stories after the show. And I might not even resent it so much if the show had actually been halfway decent enough to earn the right to a definitive ending to the Dragon Ball story, even if I personally think Dragon Ball should never have one.

And the fact it took nearly 20 years for another continuation of DBZ to be made largely because of this series helping to kill interest and lower merchandise sales is something I will never forgive, especially with how joyless, unfun and full of things designed to annoy me as a fan it was filled with.

GT is a slog to sit through, uncreative, adds little of value to the series and destroyed so many potentially good things. I get no joy out of watching most of it, it’s a depressing, boring watch and nothing could make me happier than knowing it’s not canon and has now become almost completely irrelevant. It’s fine if other people like it, but I will never understand why, and I’m embarrassed to say that I defended it for years before finally re-watching it.

Ugh. Sorry if that came off too angry, but this show really does get to me in a way few other works of fiction manage to. There’s a reason I usually made an effort until recently to keep talking about it to a minimum.

#dragon ball gt #dbgt #dragon ball