#doesn't mean it wasnt always the writers plan from the beginning.

[natjennie]

i think mostly we as a culture need to stop pretending media is for us and instead recognize that it's for the people making it. "the show didn't do the thing I wanted it to" is so not the point. did it do what the people making it wanted it to do? did it tell the story they were trying to tell? than it was successful. if that doesn't align with what you wanted to happen, don't get up in arms about it. don't badmouth the creators and throw a tantrum. that's what fan works are for. the text is the text, and it told the story it was telling. you wouldn't be like "ugh shakespeare is insane for act v btw like there was no reason for juliet to kill herself she should've just waited and then her and romeo could have been together wtf this ruined the whole play" like no!!! the themes were there the set-up was there the foreshadowing was there shakespeare did what he intended to. just because it wasn't a happy ending and just because you thought it should've went differently doesn't mean it was bad. read a fic where juliet lives and move on.

#this is about ghosts but honestly fandom in general #stop pretending the creators of things owe you certain story lines. they're making it not you #i explained it like this to my sister: #imagine you're reading a book and there are sort of hints and scenes that you take to interpret a character as gay #you cite quotes and talk about the themes and the impact of your interpretation #and then at the end of the book the character comes out as asexual. #and then a lot of those scenes and quotes that you were using as evidence for your interpretation- #now they could be construed to have been pointing towards them being ace all along #just because it wasnt the end you fabricated in your head based on your understanding of the hints #doesn't mean it wasnt always the writers plan from the beginning. #AND it doesnt mean you can't keep imagining a world where they're gay instead #it just means that the writer was leaving those clues to point you towards the ending #and you interpreted the clues differently #bbc ghosts #ghosts spoilers #bc like. if last resort was the ending #you could 'read' the whole series with the understanding that they weren't going to leave the house #and the foreshadowing would add up #but now with the special. you can go back and 'read' the series with the understanding that they leave #and it still all adds up. the foreshadowing was there it just meant something different than you thought. #stories have beginnings middles and ends #you predetermined the ending while still in the middle and got mad when you weren't right. #does that make sense?

[13thdoctorposts]

Just had to laugh at an idea trying to tear down 13Yaz because it wasnt planned from day 1 so we shouldn't act like there's any subtext or hindsight. First of all, it is an Amazing thing that the cast and crew responded to fan interest by going with the chemistry and creating the canon relationship that is literally something that should be encouraged!!! Secondly, something not being intentional doesn't mean it isn't there, especially because the intentional stuff is built on that foundation.

Yeah, and I think more shows should work with the chemistry of the actors they have because the ships that get shipped the most tend to be the ones where the actors have the most chemistry with each other. The fact that Thasmin wasn’t intentional, but so many felt and saw it before it was actually speaks volumes considering 13 did have such a full TARDIS team so her attention was divided between the 3 she wasn’t just playing off Yaz unlike previous Doctors and yet people still saw it and felt it and then the actors saw us seeing it took that to the writers and it became intentional. It should ok for a show to not know exactly where their characters are going to fully end up in 3 series time.

And while it may not have been intentional from the writers Mandip was throwing out heart eyes at the Doctor every chance she could get so it’s not like no one was thinking about it.

Also as the 13th Doctors story evolves it actually makes complete sense that Yaz would fall for the Doctor her awe and admiration turning into love, it’s the most logical progression for Yaz, they didn’t need to know that at the beginning for it to work for her trajectory. The traits of the Doctor are the kind of traits Yaz would fall for, caring, always wants to help, puts herself between danger and others, inquisitive, and knowledgeable. As for the Doctor, her falling for Yaz that makes sense to because Yaz has been her rock her whole life, minus the prison years but the Doctor would have seen in the other TARDIS how dedicated to finding her Yaz was, she has stayed by the Doctors side through thick and thin, all her trauma despite how the Doctor reacts to the trauma and the way that makes her treat Yaz at times. Yaz is by no means a push over but she’s also understanding, caring and drama free. She’s not creating any kind of extra chaos in the Doctors world. She can always count on Yaz being there, which she probably does take a bit for granted but also a reason why you could her falling for her.

Sometimes letting the writers figure somethings out as they go is the best way for things to happen. And it’s not even like that’s new, no one has a a million seasons mapped out with every story and every relationship, shows evolve. If it was a straight couple that wasn’t intentional from the start I don’t think we would see the same discourse honestly.

#thirteenth doctor #13th doctor #thirteen #yasmin khan #thasmin #13 #yaz #yaz khan #13 era #dw

[sushi-purrrito]

Chat Blanc Answered so many of the fandoms questions and I CANT EVEN HANDLE IT.

Incase anyone is unaware, there are versions of chat blanc already subbed on youtube. Now I know translations arent perfect, but if it was even close to accurate... Can we just talk about all the things they revealed to us this episode!?

(I made all gifs off of Kae Minami translated episode on youtube)

1. Adrien literally admitted.. HE ALWAYS SAW MARINETTE AS MORE THAN JUST A FRIEND AND NOW HE KNOWS WHY. A-K-FRICKIN-A. He has ALWAYS had feelings for her, SINCE THE BEGINNING! WE FRICKING KNEW IT!! HA! SCREW ALL THE NAYSAYERS. Everyone who ever said that it was "all in our heads" and that he thought Marinette was weird in first season and had no feelings for her until recently.... YOU WERE WRONG. (though I already knew that..) ALL HAIL ADRIENETTE. That Bitch Is Canon Now.

2. We now know that if Adrien found out Marinette was ladybug, he would keep it a secret from her, but still go all in, if it meant they could be together. and to be honest.. i'm not even sure what this means, but it's a thing.

Also... CAN WE JUST LOOK AT HOW MUCH HE LOVED HER?!?!?!

He didnt even hesitate to show her off to the world. (Not that showing off = love. Just saying that despite his fan club and his strict father he did what we wanted because it was about her. Cute!) Not only that..

But did you see how quickly Marinette was willing to accept that he was Chat Noir? NO HESITATION, SHE WAS ALL FOR IT. "HOLD ME, CHATON, I LOVE YOU SO MUCH. "

3. Knowing each others identities did not lead them to give up their miraculous! Infact, it looks as if it helped them to find hawkmoths lair instead! So, either, Master Fu was cool with it(since he was still the guardian here) or BOTH Marinette and Adrien decided theyd keep their knowledge of each others identities a secret! (which I kind of love the idea of)

4. Hawkmoth is the literal scum of the earth. Just Greiving? LOL WE THOUGHT. He is completely irredeemable. There is NO saving that trash human. NO. SAVING. HIM. Not after all that bullshit he pulled. He literally tried to destroy Adrien and Marinettes relationship to get a strong akuma out of her. Which makes me lowkey sad since I kind of thought Gabriel had a soft spot for Marinette and wouldve supported them.. HE BROKE HIS OWN SONS HEART for his OBSESSION to bring his damn wife back.... AND THEN. After discovering his sons identity. THIS DUMPSTER BEAT UP HIS SON AND AKUMITIZED HIM. He didnt even consider trying to talk to Adrien first. WHAT THE FRACK. BROOOOO. SCREW THIS GUY. PLEASE LET HIM FRY IN THE WORLDS LARGEST LAMP, THANKYOU. This confirmed for me as well, that if Adrien ended up dying in the place of bringing back Emilie, Gabriel would be A-FLIPPIN-OK with that.

5. But.. pushing the Gabriel being a Garbage father rant aside. What this really revealed to us, was that Gabriel doesnt consider any of his current life.. real. He doesnt just plan to bring his wife back to life. He plans to "repair the past". change the past. completely rewrite history. Which explains why he is willing to hurt Adrien and treat all of Paris like tools and objects. In his brain. Once he gets the miraculous's, he's going to "reset" all of it. So, noone is really getting hurt. His son included. He really doesn't think he can lose, so anything he does now does not matter to him. Which also just tells us how dangerous this man really is. Like. Guys. He is really. really. dangerous.

6. Luka stayed in the picture. Even after Marinette and Adrien got together. Obviously. But yeah, I love him so much!

7. Though, sadly... we also learned. Marinette doesnt even consider Adrien being chat noir a possibility. DESPITE IT BEING SO DAMN OBVIOUS. Oh you poor poor Marinette🤦‍♀️

8. Meanwhile, Adrien put Marinette being Ladybug together in a *Snap*!

So who's the dense one now huuuuuuuhhhhhHHHHHHHHHH?

*Marinette* *cough*cough*

9. Also. can I just say, Gorilla is a total softy, and I am SO GLAD he wasnt the one to tell Gabriel that Adrien was Chat noir. He is still our wonderful semi fluff dad substitute.

because screw natalie..

and double screw gabriel

Thankyou writers, for sparing Papa Gorilla in this episode. lol

AAND I could keep talking about this episode, but this was just supposed to be revelations, not a reaction post. So, I'm gonna stop now, because I'm already getting carried away😭 AGNFOFPWNSHDHXHFHGSGSHHWJSU (me intangiblely screaming and rambling)

Okay. Goodnight now.

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