#and I'll be blunt; I point blank refuse to go vegan cause while I could maybe cut out meat

[medicinemane]

You know, at this point I'm highly skeptical of things where people have a single simple solution to large scale problems that just calls for doing exactly what they think needs to be done and then everything is fixed

#today this is about a graph I just saw showing how we'd barely have to use any land compared to what we use now #if we just all went vegan #not only would less land be used for grazing; but it would also take less land to grow all the food we need to eat than we're using now #(which now that I say that I realize that seems extra nutty) #ok... so here's the problem... when you present me that good of a solution with that kind of margins... #well I really start to doubt someone isn't fudging some numbers somewhere or making gross assumptions #and not to pull a whataboutism with this but like... for real... what about the people who physically can't eat a vegan diet? #and then the practical question of cool; you're magically right... how do we get this adopted? #and what about food prices; people can swear up and down all day it's cheaper to eat health vegan food #but I have trouble keeping the pantry stocked even with meat; and I find I need to eat more with vegetarian stuff #and I'll be blunt; I point blank refuse to go vegan cause while I could maybe cut out meat #we're not even talking me being sad or something; I straight up couldn't get enough to eat without eggs and dairy #and keep in mind; I pretty much never do fast food or anything; it's more or less all made from ingredients at home #so like... magic of your chart aside where I find it's suspect #do you have a plan to subsidize food prices so I can afford to eat vegetarian? #do you have plans in place for how to look after people who physically can't go vegan? #or do you just have a fuzzy feeling about making this happen and therefore it'll just work if we'd only do it #(I'll say it again; you want to stop animals from being slaughtered to be eaten; develop high quality lab grown meat) #(cause surely the problem with people eating meat is the land use and that something has to die) #(surely you're not just being smug about a type of food being morally wrong even if all suffering could be removed from it) #(and I will switch to lab grown meat in an instant if it's price competitive and... 80% as good as good quality meat is) #anyway... this is just one example; there's a lot of stuff where it's like... #you take a simplistic view of the world and say 'just conform to my ideals already' #but you refuse to address any of the root underlying causes while representing your position as the only morally right one #sorry; we live in the real world which often means complex systems are at work #and you can be as right as you want; it won't make things better unless you actually address the causes of why things are how they are #unless you address why people do stuff like eat meat (hungry) #and unless you acknowledge stuff like that US vegans have in the past outbid people in other countries for their staple crops #cause they wanted to feel good about it; but now it means these people are becoming food insecure #or shit like how agave is being over harvested cause people don't want to eat honey despite the bees being fine...