#be it directly like in the tim burton movie or indirectly like that joker movie that didn't need to exist

[stairset]

One of my toxic traits as a superhero fan is when adaptations make the villain connected to the hero’s origin I sometimes like it and sometimes don’t and either way I usually have no specific reasoning for my opinion other than Vibes.

#in most cases i actually do like it #the spider that bit peter parker being altered by oscorp a la ultimate comics? cool. #brainiac playing a role in krypton's destruction a la dcau and injustice? cool. #mandarin being directly or indirectly responsible for iron man's origin a la the 90s cartoon and mcu? cool. #magneto being responsible for professor x getting paralyzed a la first class? actually better than how it happened in the comics #doctor doom being involved in the fantastic four's origin? eeeh depends #i don't like the ultimate version or either of the movie versions where he also gets powers in the same incident #and also his skin is actually metal instead of wearing armor #that shit's lame #but i DO like the world's greatest heroes cartoon where he sabotages their mission by lowering their shields #and THAT'S what leads to them getting powers and also causes the explosion that scars him #way i see it if he HAS to be part of their origin the way that show did it was best #the only major example or the villain creating the hero where i NEVER like it is when joker is responsible for the wayne deaths #be it directly like in the tim burton movie or indirectly like that joker movie that didn't need to exist #like joker being responsible for batman's parents dying is just way too coincidental #some of those other examples are also kinda coincidental but they at least feel like natural connections to make #whereas joker creating batman is just forced #oh and sandman killing uncle ben in the raimi movies and black cat's dad killing him in spectacular for the same reason #the murders of the waynes and uncle ben both just work better when the killer is just some random crook whose identity isn't important #but yeah the rest of those examples are all perfectly fine with me lmao #shut up tristan