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Betrothed to a prince but will marry a King?

She was going to be Prince Rhaegar's wife, no matter what the woman said. Her father had promised it, and Tywin Lannister's word was gold.

Cersei's father promised to marry her to Rhaegar and his word was gold.

Her aunt had lied, though, and her father had failed her, just as Jaime was failing her now. Father found no better man. Instead he gave me Robert, and Maggy's curse bloomed like some poisonous flower.

Or is it? Tywin gave her Robert.

"Sweet one," her father said gently, "listen to me.  When you're old  enough, I will make you a match with a high lord who's worthy of you, someone brave and gentle and strong. This match with Joffrey was a terrible mistake. That boy is no Prince Aemon, you must believe me."

Sansa was promised a better match by Ned. And how much is his word worth? The word choice changes about Sansa(high lord to someone) and Arya's (King to high lord) match between the show and book is interesting.👀👀

It was not as though he was the first man ever to keep a concubine. Sansa's own oh-so-honorable father had given her a  bastard brother. 

Ned gave her Jon. How that came to be is because of a promise.🤡🤡🤡

"Because I knew that you would spurn him. I had to be seen to try to find a consort for you once you'd reached a certain age, else it would have raised suspicions, but I dared not bring you any man you might accept. You were promised, Arianne."

Arianne, a princess in a tower, was given unsuitable suitors by her father because she was promised from the beginning- to a Targaryen.

A warrior princess, he decided, not some willowy creature who sits up in a tower, brushing her hair and waiting for some knight to rescue her.

We have Sansa, a princess, locked up by her evil step-father and step-mother to the highest tower while she brushes her hair and waits for her knight to rescue her. Her father GRRM keeps giving her unsuitable suitors like a dwarf, a bastard, someone with a bastard, a burned man, a sick(like in more than one way) cousin, and even someone gay!!!! Where's the promised match, George? Huh?

#jonsa #jonsa is coming #jon snow’s real name is aemon #the forshadowing hidden in other character plots

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So one of the main motivation for Ned to go south is to investigate Jon's murder. Even using Sansa's bethrotal as cover. Yet in the end he never actually found out the true culprit. Two books later Lysa confessed her crime in rage in front of Sansa. Do you think it's going to be important in future?

No, I don't think so.

For one, narratively, it's a closed case. Lysa killed the husband who would not quit reproductively abusing her, at the instigation of her obsessive crush. She confesses moments before she herself is murdered. This knowledge cannot be proven and it can only deeply hurt Sweetrobin now. This is not a legacy Sansa needs to fulfill for Ned. Nothing he had hoped to do can be done anymore by revealing how Jon Arryn died. Robert is dead. Lysa is dead. The Lannisters will be removed from power before long. Sweetrobin can be protected without learning that his mother murdered his father. There is no justice left to serve by revealing this information.

But what it does in the story is it provides another example to Sansa (and the reader) of Littlefinger pulling secret strings in the background to get people killed. He himself explained about Joffrey. Now Sansa knows about Jon Arryn. At some point, when she feels psychologically safe enough to do so, she will connect the dots about Ned, and just how much of what befell her family is due to Littlefinger's manipulations and desire for revenge. The reader already knows. Sansa will get there.

The interesting thing will be how Sansa will wring justice from him, knowing these things that cannot be proven. It is likely to be indirect without stooping to either vigilantism or tyranny. Using something that can be proven in a trial to do the job for all the other crimes combined. My money is on Jeyne Poole's case being involved.

#sansa stark #littlefinger #girl slaying a giant

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"I am almost a man grown," Jon protested. "I will turn fifteen on my next name day, and Maester Luwin says bastards grow up faster than other children."

Sansa, two years older, drew the crown prince, Joffrey Baratheon. He was twelve, younger than Jon or Robb, but taller than either, to Jon's vast dismay.

If Rhaegar and Lyanna weren't married and Jon was just a bastard then I'm going to eat my hat.

#jon snow #proof that Joffrey is the bastard and jon the real prince #joffrey grew faster

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anyway the thing about jonsa is that grrm may have actually created the first plot twist that is so unseen by its audience that it actually kills half of them when it occurs

#jonsa #oh george #GRRM #it truly is worrying how their mental health will be #at the end

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#jonsa crack #jonsa wedding

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One of the reasons I believe in Aegony romance is actually bc of Jonnel and Sansa. JD is the foreground couple while Jonsa is in the background. GRRM had the audience look at the Stark family tree about th rare avunculate marriage. Imagine being an aegony and to prove that the North will be okay with "it's not technically incest" marriage you have to look at the names of Jonnel and Sansa.💀Actually, they ignore Jonnsa. If I go to public forums, I'll mostly see Edric and Serena used as examples when they try to get rid of the incest label between JD. Curious as to why when you'd think they'll use Sansa 1)bc she has a namesake 2)is the first born thus more important as the heir. Why use the little sister or not both?👀 They know in their hearts of hearts. The antis cannot talk about the technicalities of incest between a Jonnel and Sansa bc Jon's response to it would be "Longspear's not your brother." Jon spoke like a true politician.😂😂

#jonsa #Jonnel and Sansa Stark #jon snow’s not my brother

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You know I do

#jonsa

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GAME OF THRONES 6.04 "Book of the Stranger"

#jonsa #jonsa reunion

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Do you ever think of how;

“Robb and Sansa and Bran and even little Rickon all took after the Tullys, with easy smiles and fire in their hair.” (Arya, AGOT I)

“The wildlings seemed to think Ygritte a great beauty because of her hair; red hair was rare among the free folk, and those who had it were said to be kissed by fire, which was supposed to be lucky.” (Jon II, ASOS)

“I might get her with child."

"Aye, I'd hope so. A strong son or a lively laughing girl kissed by fire, and where's the harm in that?" (Jon II, ASOS)

(And Sansa II follows where she thinks of having children resembling/named after lost family members)

‘Sometimes she sang in a low husky voice that stirred him. And sometimes by the cookfire when she sat hugging her knees with the flames waking echoes in her red hair, and looked at him, just smiling . . . well, that stirred some things as well.’ (Jon II , ASOS)

‘Sansa could sew and dance and sing. She wrote poetry. She knew how to dress. She played the high harp and the bells.’ (Arya I AGOT)

“She had auburn hair, lighter than mine, and so thick and soft . . . the red in it would catch the light of the torches and shine like copper.” (Catelyn, ACOK VII)

“Her hair was a rich autumn auburn, her eyes a deep Tully blue. Grief had given her a haunted, vulnerable look; if anything, it had only made her more beautiful.” (Tyrion, VIII ASOS).

This is autumn auburn hair: (*note* this photo also appears when you search dark honey hair)

I cant decide whether this is auburn or a dark blonde caramel (and I think it can be seen as both)

‘They look as though they belong together. Val was clad all in white; white woolen breeches tucked into high boots of bleached white leather, white bearskin cloak pinned at the shoulder with a carved weirwood face, white tunic with bone fastenings. Her breath was white as well … but her eyes were blue, her long braid the color of dark honey, her cheeks flushed red from the cold. It had been a long while since Jon Snow had seen a sight so lovely.’ (Jon, ADWD XI)

“She donned silken smallclothes and a linen shift, and over that a warm dress of blue lambswool. Two pairs of hose for her legs, boots that laced up to her knees, heavy leather gloves, and finally a hooded cloak of soft white fox fur.”

….

“When she opened the door to the garden, it was so lovely that she held her breath, unwilling to disturb such perfect beauty. The snow drifted down and down, all in ghostly silence, and lay thick and unbroken on the ground.”

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“I wish you could see yourself, my lady. You are so beautiful. You're crusted over with snow like some little bear cub, but your face is flushed and you can scarcely breathe.” (Sansa VII ASOS)

“It was the old days she hungered for. Prayed for. But who could she pray to? The garden had been meant for a godswood once, she knew, but the soil was too thin and stony for a weirwood to take root. A godswood without gods, as empty as me. (Sansa VII ASOS)

A sight so lovely = Val with Ghost, cheeks flushed red, clad in all white like snow, sometimes she’s described as having grey eyes but she has blue eyes in this excerpt, bearskin cloak, long braid the colour of dark honey, reference to a weirwood = old gods.

So lovely she held her breath = Sansa clad in a white fox fur cloak (which GRRM has as a figurine), all white surroundings (snow), building a snow castle, face flushed, referred to as a little bear cub, covered in snow, the snow is very romantically coded in this scene as well + there is talk of weirwood trees = Ghost, not to mention ‘ghostly silence’ and Jon reuniting with Ghost in the previous chapter where he also talks of the godswood and weirwood trees.

The connections that Jon makes here are associated with warmth, home, belonging, and Winterfell.

Sansa’s quotes are also rich with themes of home, belonging, and Winterfell where she draws strength from the snow and rebuilds from the ‘ashes.’ Just as Jon in the previous chapter talks of doing.

And “drifting snowflakes brushed her face as light as lover’s kisses…..it was the taste of Winterfell, the taste of innocence, the taste of dreams.” (A dream of spring)

All of these above associations are overtly positive.

Now compare that to….

“The light of the half-moon turned Val’s honey-blond hair a pale silver and left her cheeks as white as snow. She took a deep breath. “The air tastes sweet.”

“My tongue is too numb to tell. All I can taste is the cold.” (Jon VIII ADWD)

I’m not going to say anymore on that.

Dark honey hair:

Light auburn hair:

Copper hair:

You could also interpret the dark honey as actual dark honey i.e

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#jonsa #dark honey hair #jonsa meta

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Jon/Sansa parallel with Jaime/Cersei part 1/?

Hello, little dove. A sword for the Wall?

But you are a beauty. ([JON] I already have one) Good man.

And have you bled yet? Have you swung it yet?

GOT S01E01 - GOT S0102 ps: this parallel has a part 2, coming soon.

#jonsa #jonsa parallels

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Umm I just realised something. Maybe I’m late to the party and reaching a bit but when Sansa dreams of having children that look like her lost siblings she says she also dreams of a girl who looks like Arya. But the only way Sansa could have a child that looks like her long faced dark haired gray eyed sister is by marrying a certain similar looking long faced dark haired gray eyed brother-cousin…

Hey there anon!

This isn't a reach at all, that is certainly the conclusion I came to upon reading that excerpt.

Not only do Sansa and Jon effectively have similar fantasies regarding domesticity (in the same book), they also specifically dream about having children named after their dead siblings, though I'll point something out about the 'looked like' and 'named after' distinction, and what really sold me on Sansa's fantasy being the missing half of Jon's.

"If I give him sons, he may come to love me. She would name them Eddard and Brandon and Rickon... In Sansa's dreams, her children looked just like the brothers she had lost. Sometimes there was even a girl who looked like Arya." (ASOS Sansa II).

We know that Bran and Rickon take entirely after their Tully mother (auburn-haired and blue eyed), so Sansa yearning for children looking like in effect, herself (and her mother) makes sense on a personal level. I also think it speaks to Sansa honouring her Tully appearance, and wanting her features to be passed down as a reclamation of identity. When we consider her Alayne Stone arc, and having to disguise her very distinct hair, it's certainly relevant that Sansa desires for her future self to be untainted and genuine, if that makes sense? But I digress, onto the second aspect of this dream.

Grammatically, there is a punctuation mark to separate that particular thought from the rest. It is its own, distinct musing and George wants to emphasise the thought away from the rest. And it is so very profound not just in a Jonsa way, but in regards to Sansa's relationship with Arya. Wanting a daughter who looks like the sister she has quarrelled with, and who is plainer-looking (and has been picked on for her appearance) is so..sweet? I love it so much?? I am a pro-stark sisters truther!

Okay now for that connection to Jon...

As we know, Stark features are distinct: Somber, long-faced, brown haired and grey eyed. They are never described as particularly attractive due to this appearance (well Brandon Stark was very good looking though Ned was described as plainer faced) though I'd argue that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's why some perspectives consider Lyanna beautiful whilst other perspectives think she was nothing special and too "wild." But yeah, Stark features are certainly distinct, there are other Houses with similar appearances but the Stark look is just ?very uniquely STARK "Winter is Coming" esque.

Sansa wanting a girl who has the Stark look is then very significant, especially when we consider the entire context: Although she is supposedly fantasising about a future with a Tyrell who has southern looks, Sansa almost entirely makes her fantasy about a mystery man where they have children who just so happen to be a blend of Stark and Tully appearances...coincidence? absolutely not!

George could have had Sansa say she wanted to name her daughter Arya, though he specifically said "looked like Arya," and isn't that beautiful!

Luckily our boy Jon just so happens to be long faced, grey eyed, and brown haired whew!

It also conveys Sansa's progressive desire to return North and I also believe it foreshadows Sansa having a Northern husband! Breaking away from the idealised beauty of the South i.e 'the golden prince' is certainly significant for Sansa. And we know that she fell in love with Waymar Royce, who resembles Jon strikingly. Huh, that's two people who appear to resemble Jon that Sansa has associated with love and children. Interesting George...Interesting....

But to summarise, yes - that is the connection I have also made, and considering that Jon's fantasy is the perfect half that includes Robb as well (the missing child from Sansa's fantasy, apart from Jon)

"I would need to steal her if I wanted her love, but she might give me children. I might someday hold a son of my own blood in my arms. A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of, since he decided to live his life on the Wall. I could name him Robb." (ASOS Jon XII).

occurring in the same book where that desire for a family that Jon has precedes Sansa's chapter where she builds WF in the snow and the fact that they both equate romance/love with children.... oh my poor heart cannot handle the pure softness of them. Every time I start talking about one piece of evidence, I end up going on a tangent connecting it to other things, but that is the intricate and poetic beauty of Jonsa, what can I say. Sometimes I’m afraid of opening my inbox because I immediately think it’ll be hate, so I was pleasantly surprised because I LOVE discussing this topic; one of my favourite aspects of Jon and Sansa is how compatible their dreams are.

Thanks for the ask <3

#jonsa #Jonsa babies

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Don’t worry Catelyn his sons will be your grandchildren ;)

#jonsa #mad forshadow #book jonsa #jon snow sequel

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#jonsa #if it isn’t jonsa it’s still jonsa #littlefinger #everything that is happening is something that you’ve seen before

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Winter is here.

#jonsa #jonsa kiss

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"Ygritte wanted me to be a wildling. Stannis wants me to be the Lord of Winterfell. But what do I want? The sun crept down the sky to dip behind the Wall where it curved through the western hills." - ASOS, Jon XII

"But what do I want? The sun..."

dude... he answers his own question... 👀

#jonsa #Sansa needs her mouth washed out with soap #because that was naughty to say

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"Ygritte wanted me to be a wildling. Stannis wants me to be the Lord of Winterfell. But what do I want? The sun crept down the sky to dip behind the Wall where it curved through the western hills." - ASOS, Jon XII

"But what do I want? The sun..."

dude... he answers his own question... 👀

#jonsa #I’m in love with all the tags

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Ashford theory is all the more significant when you think about it in terms of chess. The 5th move of a pawn can go to the other end of a board for the promotion of a Queen. Check and mate.♟♟

#jonsa #chess #ashford theory