#Even to the bitter end ozai say him and his people doesn't deserve to be in the world like can y'all take a minute

[the--firevenus]

God forbid when aang has emotions and act like his age, like seriously I can't with people. Like I'm sorry, a lot of you assume people that defend aang thought he's perfect that could never do anything wrong, like no bitch I love him DESPITE his flaw, because guess what?? When he act childish, and or do anything wrong in the show, his ACTION HAS CONSEQUENCES. and ya know what else?? DESPITE EVERYTHING HE'S STILL A VERY COMPASSIONATE CHARACTER WITH HEARTS AND LOVE SO BIG FOR THE WORLD THAT DONE NOTHING BUT GAVE HIM SO MUCH PAIN AND SUFFERING.

You people keep nick picking every single thing he had done as if it's the crime against humanity, it's not him who commit genocide and colonialism in the show now isn't!? I'm sick and tired many of y'all act like he's one dimensional as well. HE HAS DEPTH, WE LITERALLY WATCH THE SAME SHOW!?

Come on man, it's almost two decades of this same thing, I'm so tired, leave my boy alone for fuck sake oh my god

#like.. come on #I hate how every tears he shed and every emotions he show beside content is count as invalid and horrible #I hate how every mistake he made seem like something so wrong as if you didn't do so much worse when you're 12 #I hate how he has to be adult and FORCE to be from the get go because the weight of the world LITERALLY on his shoulder #I hate how everyone tells him to let go off his people teaching I hate how everyone looked down at his beliefs #Even to the bitter end ozai say him and his people doesn't deserve to be in the world like can y'all take a minute #And realize you sound like the main villain of the show like take a sec actually. #From the very first time he was born to the time he died in the series people still has shits to say and I'm fuming #venus rant #atla #aang #pro aang #Deadass just don't talk about him if you hate him actually #Save me from stress and save you from stress too

[zvtara-was-never-canon]

I think ZKs are projecting Sokka onto Katara. Since let’s think about it, how much of their claims applies more to Sokka?

1. Being one of Zuko’s foils. 2. Being a “Parent” of the group. Sokka does want to be seen as the leader and he often behaves as the Dad Friend. 3. X Has irrational hatred for the Fire Nation, which Zuko and a few others helps him with. 4. Their stories making it make sense to pair them together. As mentioned, Sokka does want to be the Leader. 5. Zuko understands Sokka better than Katara.

Sorry to disappoint, anon, but I STRONGLY disagree.

On them supposedly being narrative foils

Zuko has three narrative foils: Aang, Ozai and Azula. The show goes out of it's way to make that clear through tons of episodes directly highlighting how simmilar Zuko is to Aang, designing Ozai to look like an older version of him that doesn't have the scar, and Azula is a look at the tragic fate he would have had if he had stood by his father's side until the bitter end.

Sokka wanting to be a warrior is not that special in a series about martial arts/war, and him wanting to be the leader is constantly shown as being about his relationship with Hakoda. At most, the "I want to make my father proud" thing would be the real parallel here (and one paralel does not make characters true foils to each other), with Hakoda being a good dad that is worth admiring and taking inspiration from, while Ozai is the cautionary tale his son needs to use as the exemple of what NOT to do.

Leader/Parent

Sokka is not the parent of the group, and neither is Zuko. Katara is the mom friend, and she has mixed feelings about it exactly because, while she naturally takes on that role, she's the ONLY ONE to do so, and thus she sometimes resents her own motherly nature because she fears her friends see her as "mom friend" first and "one of us" second.

As for the leader of the group, that is very clearly Aang, with Katara taking charge/co-leading sometimes because, duh, he's the main character and the whole show is about HIS mission, of course he calls the shots.

Sokka, at most, has moments of frustration when people are being stupid or disregarding a plan, and the show constantly makes fun of him for taking himself too seriously and trying to pretend he is the "adult in charge". Not at all the same as being the dude in charge of changing an entire nation's philosophy on war - which is ALSO very different from being the dad friend or a leader of a small squad.

Racism VS Righteous Anger

Zuko was indoctrinated from birth to be an entitled, selfish, racist prince, and he also experience emotional and physical abuse, as well as victim blaming after it, and it all made him prone to lashing out at people who have done literally nothing to deserve it. He is trying to help his family, and Fire Lord, commit genocide.

Sokka meanwhile hates the Fire Nation for the DECADES of raids on his tribe that killed his culture and his mother, and forced his father to leave. Still, he speaks out against things like Jet's plan to kill a bunch of innocent people to "free" them from the Fire Nation, doesn't have anything against Piandao, is horrified by Hama's actions, and accepts Zuko into the group once he proves he truly has changed and doesn't want to harm them.

He wasn't eager to save the guy that was constantly chasing him, his friend and his sister around the world, and was willing to kill a tyrant to save himself and others. That is not the same as "irrational hatred" - no, I don't care what a spirit that will not be killed if the Fire Nation wins the war has to say on the matter, it's really easy to say "violence is always bad, even in self-defense" when you're not the one in danger.

"They understand each other more, so it makes sense to pair them together"

Does it? Does it though? Because The Boiling Rock makes a running joke of how much of a not ideal match they are. Awkward silence during their conversation followed by an equally awkward "that's rough, buddy", and Sokka CONSTANTLY not understanding what in the fuck Zuko is talking about when trying to give advice.

Sure, they managed to make it work in the end, but that's not the same as the effortless pair up of Aang and Zuko in the Blue Spirit episode, or Azula always knowing how to get to Zuko so he puts himself in vulnerable position during a fight (and him then using her own tactic against her in the finale) but also working as a great duo with him in Ba Sing Se without having to say a word, or even the time he and Iroh fought against the earthbenders in book 1.

Just because Zuko reacted when Sokka said the word "honor" and they talked about girlfriend trouble doesn't mean they have some deep understanding for one another. Sokka is legitimately one of the few characters that has even LESS of a connection with Zuko than Katara. They're on the same side and they're friends, but they're not as close to each other as they are to literally everyone else in their friend group.

#anti zukka

[hello-nichya-here]

How was Ozai suffering from the imperialist regime of FN of all people? I mean in the past, yeah, he's a victim of the environment too. But when he was the Fire Lord and could stop the very war? The only "suffering" I can think of is managing the country's declining economic state because the war was driving out all the resources iirc. And also Azulon ordered him to kill his own son but imo it was more of Azulon being an abusive asshole than the imperialist system's doing.

The Fire Nation's imperialism directly affected how the dynamics in the royal family would work.

We see Sozin kill Roku, his best friend who might as well have been family, because he was in the way of his goals. Lu Ten died because Iroh, his dad, just HAD to fucking conquer Ba Sing Se. The whole deal of the "weak" needing to be harshily punished and forced to submit was what led to Azulon becoming abusive, and to Ozai then repeating that pattern with his own kids - hence the scene of Azulon demanding Ozai to kill Zuko mirroring the Agni Kai scene.

Also, it is totally possible to be a victim of your own poor decisions (see Sozin basically driving himself mad as he continues to chase the Avatar and Iroh losing his only child because of his ambition) and that very much fits Ozai's case.

In his blind ambition to become Fire Lord, Ozai betrays his own brother, kills his father, and banishes his wife. Because he couldn't stand anyone questioning his authority, even if indirectly and/or accidentally, he irreparably destroyed his relationship with his son by physically abusing him. Even the last person on Earth that still cared about him, Azula, CAN'T help him because the immense pressure he put on her to be the perfect princess/child soldier psychologically destroyed her. And let's not forget the only reason he lost his bending (and nearly died) was because he refused to accept Aang's final request for a ceasefire - we even see him explicitly say he doesn't believe the air-nomads deserved to exist, and then loses EVERYTHING when the last survivor of that group puts him in his place.

Ozai ended up all alone and powerless because his megalomania made him hurt people, and these people then turned against him - just like he did with his father.

Now, obviously he didn't suffer nearly as much as say, Aang, Katara, Sokka, or literally any of the victims of the genocides his family was responsible for, and the fact that he was a victim both of his environment and his own pride doesn't mean we have to forget everything he did - but neither do his bad actions erase his suffering, and half of said suffering being his own fault doesn't make it less real.

I don't hide the fact that I dislike Ozai. A LOT. Sometimes I legit get angry just looking at his face or remembering that he exists. But the whole point of Avatar is that when the world is out of balance, EVERYONE suffers. Spirits, animals, nature itself, and, of course, humans too - from the common man to the most powerful ruler, benevolent or otherwise. Saying that, even with how horrible he was, Ozai's fate IS 100% a tragedy, isn't the same as saying I want him to be redeemed or that what he did wasn't that serious or that he can't be blamed for anything since he was suffering too, it's just me pointing out that the show's narrative was coherent with it's themes when it came to Ozai's characterization, role in the story, and bitter end.

#asks #ozai meta