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throwingideasatthewall · 3 years

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Clone Wars Massacre

Oh, wow is that what we’re really going with,

Don’t get me wrong the tone has been better but are you sure you want to take on something like a massacre? (Sla-very- Kinda-

Aight,

Start,

(Also yeah whatever did happen to Ventress because she screwed up in attempt at Dooku’s life*, backing down, and I thought she had just cool-ed from the whole revenge thing- - *Not killing him voluntarily when she had the chance, - No

Lightsisters?

Did I- hear that right?

Yeah,

It honestly sounds like they’re saying “Lightsisters,” Instead of night sisters as previous,

Also yeah going back to the people that encouraged your toxic behavior and are toxic enabling generational breakers

Also, they don’t recognize her?

I do have to admit I never got the idea of plasma arrows,

Or possibly coming to hold someone accountable,

That expression really doesn’t speak of flee

Ing

Also I’ve vented my emotions and I’m going to go kick the unaccountables to the curb

(With maybe one more ro -ast before I do so-)

Point being, she seems a lot more stable (And center -ed)

Uhm

What,

Ok there was a small modicum of change in the emotions,

Hid-ing

Hey, that’s good

Much

Hey there’s some accountability there,

Has forsaken

Okay never mind it’s spiraling downward -s

N-othing

Sisters

Kinda the weakest relation of all

but this is actually pretty on top

Just replace sister with a “friend,” or “generation,” and you’ve got a good idea

At least it wasn’t “me”,

Yeah,

Sith

Okay, that’s some good advice,

Us That’s a bit of thought assuming,

Ordered about

Ah, lady that includes you you know,

Sisters

Ok you know I’m all about loyalty to generation and humanity, But this is feeling kind of supremacist right now,

Maybe a bit jumpy,

Okay this is a relatively validating talk

Never mind it just got tox and over involved,

Gosh darn it

The Bean wanted some actual non- over- involvement affection/in valid ation- And you turned it tox, Oof,

Ships

There are lots of ships, by the way

Yeah, is this back to hunting down savage line or did I just- Oh, Well this is an odd conversation

Grievous just bounding up

Not actu ally the relaxed or cordial meeting

You’d expect from two people of evil,

Two that know the location of each other’s lair,

...summon

Pretty much out of nowhere because Dooku usually uses the hologram, so far as we’ve seen, And there hasn’t been any real big set up to any sort of major event That would require the amassing of the droid army, Or an in person audience,

Seriously, you called him here for that?

Look my apprentice tried to very weakly kill me Pretty much up and gave up near the end,

But I’m still sore,

So I’m sending you

Grievous; (internally) I am a general how would I be any help in tracking down one person, with my pro- fess ion in Military, A category so broad and general (Area of effect) that I would be near to absolutely useless in this quest, Which boils down to very specific pettry

Again how is Grievous going to be at all helpful in this? - Like that’s a small ragtag team of rebels,

That is way below his area of affect,

He’s more likely to bungle it up on the basic concept of it’s really outside his thing,

Also yeah let’s send the one lone person to a place most known for its gaslighting,

I know grievous is robot but he clearly has emotions like a human (Or any sentient) Requiring/desiring stimuli and companion -ship,

(As seen previously)

Really this quest is really outside his mode of operation,

Like he’s used to strictly logical widespread warfare, against multiple moving shapes (large vessels)

And you’re sending him in to close range restrained targets using emotional manipulation, at high sp- eeds- - (Similar to guerrilla warfare)

You’re setting this dude up for failure

Yeah he might succeed by numbers alone

But you’re going to lose a lot just based on wastefulness and just that not being his mode of operation (Noting particularly the expedition where he crash landed on a planet and barely made out with his skin)

-abandoning hundreds of troops - (I’ve already talked enough about how this just doesn’t work and how this should be seen as a stupid move)

And should be seen as more of an insult.

Bent Back

Blue Robe- - To Battle . . . Against a small group of rebels

(Like seriously,)

Buddy, you can stop with the epic music I know that’s a lot of ships but there is nothing epic about this,

Any way..

Okay, never mind this got really tox,

I do

Loyalty is always been a weird concept to me because yeah it always changes because there’s so much to see and do

The only loyalty should be to the concept of account-ability

(And not being a dick ,)

Ven -tress joins a death cult

[Seriously blood oaths and life oaths are cre ep-

People and things changed and no amount of oaths or false promises are going to fix that,

It’s just something you have to except or manage, correctly

You can’t control other people.

Whelp she drank the whole thing of Kool-Aid,

(Also didn’t they just go over the con- - sequences of messing with the stuff,”

Also guess he’s going to need a new name because Ven-tress given to her by her abuser (Or was so implied,” )

Also I’m supposed to view this as advanced gaslighting right

What hap-pened?

Her eyes?

Night

“M -other,” Yep she’s drinking that Kool-Aid

F-east

Oh it was going to be used to introduce us to anyone else because we know literally no one and everyone else seems to be just extras,

Bo-nding is nice,

Will ing ly, - W-h - This is going on-

Thank you p-erson I barely know - Also Dooku coming into ruin good times - Buzz kill - Droid . . . You know if it’s been time building up their bond,

This might’ve been more impactful-

[ It still works but the weird creepy in humane behavior before hand doesn’t really help,”

]

Any way,

W-ar

So much for your plan

[oh so yeah attacking random [Neutral] planet just because you have a hate bo -ner

? -?

You know this would be better if it had occur- red like right -after,

Like, Dooku, was like; Okay, well that plan went horribly, So now I know that Ven- tress and all of Dathomir hates me,

Let me send someone stealthy to do the job

You’re telling me Dooku doesn’t have anyone Besides like the main three four- Bad guys? - Like this is chain of command where are the gimmick minions?

[Besides evil, vengeance And t -ech,” ]

? Oy why do you have the Clankers and the tanks marching next to each other?

Like what do you want the heavy artillery in the back,

Yeah I get this gives them better range but wouldn’t you want some pro-tection - ?

Also yeah what happened to all the males?

Like I know Ven- tress beat a couple of them up,

But,

? - No, they’re here because Dooku is an ass who doesn’t understand strat-egic planning,

And also he sent Grievous,

Like you’re the (Ex) concept of vengeance

- The confidence alone - you should kick his ass

Also, sense it?

There was only four guys to your entire operation, like 1/4 Chance..

W-h

That suck -ed

Also good job not dodg- ing,

Seriously that was pure rock that she could see coming,

Okay, there’s no way -she’s dead,

Okay?

Also where are the lines because you really didn’t have her plan for this shit,

[Also this would be a really great moment right now Ventress to go to Bez-er-ker mode and get some revenge on her ab- us -er - I know this whole things theme is “letting go of the past,” Which you do, after you get the past somewhere where it can’t constantly hurt you,

And pose a threat (Or stress, )

Point being emotions have a reason as well as (a time and a Place) And while venting is fine murder is not, Don’t conflict the two . . . [Also they’re just clustered together,”

also how is your gaslighting magic going to work against robots?

[also is Ven-tress going to die because her arc is pretty much over and the only way I can see this ending is via redemption equals death

(Seeing as she’s around Obi-Wan’s age (or at least an adult around Sky -walker’s) so her window of absolute redemption and accou- ntability is pretty much over..

Also, Ok, I guess it’s against droid it’s not too much out of her range,

(Though if it’s actual people she would probably be dead,)

Or daca?

At- tack-

Also I guess she’s lead- er now, (Also that line was a little emotionaless)

Trees

Makes sense for the ar- -chers -use the surroundings, ?

Did she just fall off a tree, , Good for Them,

A-ight-

[so yeah sending the robots to deal with these sentient person

least to say it’s no surprise that ended up terribly,

Witches

Again sending the tech guy was pretty much guaran- teeing failure,

As in any older Gen -younger Gen fight-

Metall

Cave?

Holo-

? ?

[again I’m putting that down to gaslighting magic,]

Why the look back?

Or is that just showing us the magic cave

(for future reference) - ?

And apparently the attack just stopped

(or maybe it’s on a different front)

Point being those guys want needed and Mother needed two people to get the thing,

What ?

Ser-iously there’s just someone be-hind there?

What’s the point of the metal?

Not, even the same species

(I think)

Also, resurrect-?

Look lady I don’t know what you know about resurrection but it doesn’t work like that,

Definitely not something a boomer can perform,

Also, Ah, movie you might not want to do that considering bringing people back from the dead tends to break any kind of tension, or suspension,

And she was presumably an adult,

So yeah that shouldn’t be possible,

Okay, you do not really want to go there,

Ok yeah I’m going to have the bitch... out about now

(I don’t there’s anything particularly tox or that I should know any of that info- rmation,

This is generally supposed to be some divine zombie bullshit,

Which, Is just a nope for me personally,

[Honestly this episode is completely fine, clearly meant to be some kind of Grievous vs Ventress thing, and so long as the bring things back to the dead pothole gets closed up by the end of it ,I’m not too mad

(Otherwise the galaxy is pretty damn screw. -ed [Quick. Reverb] Scan

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throwingideasatthewall · 3 years

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The Clone Wars Duchess of Mandalore

Season 2 Episode 14

......

You know I want to believe this is going to be an episode focusing on Duchess’s actual character . . . . But the track record of writing female characters (Never mind blam ing trauma for their personality )

Doesn’t leave much Good Faith Or trust . . (especially how often their Characterization gets to Ret-conned. to fit the episode,)

(Padme turned into a nag, Ahsoka In unchildlike abomination that goes with a plot needs her to)

Duchess;

From Relat iv-ely Reas On Able Leader . . . Turned exquisite and Ex- - cess -ive (Pe tty)

Con trast- With Semi- Constant Smart “laziness” avoidant Obi-wan And “Do It Sky wal -ker-

I don’t expect this to stick

(Al-ways the female characters,”

Any. Way

And war, truth is the first casualty,

[It’s actually accountability but good try]

Deluding them selves of the goodness usually comes after the bad action

Any way.

The terribly designed ship

(I’m sorry but that thing doesn’t even look even slightly aerodynamic)

(The shark ship at least had that)

[it was one apparent smoke bomb and she wasn’t allowed to do anything to try and fix it,]

But sure... let’s go with that . Allies

[Never got a feel for that and one dude was always snarking at her,] No shit

everyone can see that

And it was one dude

[They haven’t heard of this yet]

[This plot- isn’t very good]

Right - ok now they’re im-portant-

Sit and and wait

As Duchess makes her case that this is just one splinter group that she can handle

Some thing you wouldn’t think would need a trial

[Only becoming a problem when it affects other people]

[suffering from the Luminara problem, where if she doesn’t meet up to high unreasonable standards. In an unreasonable amount of time (Little) Instantly lambasted by her colleagues. With the nar-rative showing no signs of painting this is wrong Or the fact of the male characters can feck around screw everything up, And that isn’t considered serious

[Narrative’s a Cheater. .)

How long

These are actual good evil minions

(No this could actually be good with them becoming something like the clone troopers to the, Darkside

Making up for a lack of human faces in the ranks up to this point,

Establishing that while they may be the instigator of tox, Actions are about ~now~ Less abhorrent than the Empire’s / Coun- cil-

‘the Plot,’

Completely irrelevant

(And stupid)

Relying on everyone being a complete un- accountable- Idiot.

Great plan you got there Dooku,

How’s Duchess’s explaining that’s-not-at-all-what-happened-and-we-don’t need a foot hold and all security, going?

Like you think he’d be more mad Considering what seems like the only plot, Intercepting the vehicle in transit, Failed horribly,

Unless, the guys didn’t tell him - And he still thinks they have Duchess -which would make sense...because of course they sent troops for the lost foreign leader

(Would’ve been a good episode for both of them)

(Not sure that would cause a riot though-)

(-Which would make sense if Obi-Wan was the last one they saw around here- Thinking, that a Jedi captured their leader,

]

But I’m getting ahead of myself let’s focus on the actual plot. .

Whoa rows

To Coursant

I thought you just said to . . .sit still and leave.

What? ...

What

Oh so we’re focusing on another cliché plot instead of the actual characters

(*Note; Cliché As in a badly established already done plot . . . There’s nothing wrong with doing repeat plot so long as you do them well

What you bring into it is the fun part (Ideally)

Aight?

How?

They’re just there

Also yeah you already know that there there you already know what they’re doing you still haven’t done anything about it

So?

[I was about to say where is the courier guy but he’s dead]

R.I.P shortly lived villain Killed off for a shitty written romance-

-He deserved better

Whatever

Why

[i’ve seen that image multiple times but I never realized the city was in the ball

[also how is this the palace where several important officials meet And the nice forest is supposed to be this mining hell hole

The environments- They’re-

So yeah we know it’s there, but like last time we’re not going to do anything about it

[like I said Saltine did get back at some point and everyone’s logic was just ok let’s go complain to the council for no reason,]

[I dislike this logic)

Why?

Just...? Why

Also yeah who’s in charge while she’s away?

I mean we’ve already got like a lot of senators’ sus

What?

Things Happen Ing

Also yeah palace right back to the way it was,

I guess it was a smoke bomb. .

Right?

You left the Boomer in control?

Also, so yeah I’m surprised he didn’t run out to be a mastermind either

Like, yeah That can happen

But given the “legacy and proud of everything thing,”

You’d think he’d be the main target

[Makes a lot more sense than Random Sen ator #4

And he was the only one in that hallway with Obi-Wan-

During their argu- ment-

Prime Minister- It Makes Sense -

You found the deathwatch armies - isn’t hard - It was like five guys last time

Now just like them, you have allowed, the situation to get worse

Good job smart guys.

Battle

Really because they seem like the same group of nerds

What?

??...

Deathwatch will never be strong enough

Yeah, no shit

Guess you shouldn’t do anything stupid

[how long until something stupid happens?]

Beyond the normal . . .

Here

Seriously how does this plan make any sense?

Jedi- come here - everyone- Loses their shit

How? - like I know it be unpleasant to have some guys stomp into Your House

But there’s literally no need for that..

Considering the situation isn’t out of control

And Satine should be fully capable of handling the situation

- And telling the Senate to feck off

- And don’t tell me he’s doing this because she’s passive because he’s been everything but passive in defending her passive beliefs,

[Something not really elaborated on]

Stop

NOT BE AN IDIOT!

Also,

[I really don’t like this plot it makes no sense,”. ]

Whelp-

Fuck-

That Got Dark-

[but possibly make sense if this is how she sees members of the republic, As a dark brooding force that will hurt everyone if she’s not careful,

Significant deadly threat

How?

They- smoke bombed one building

[That’s juvenile]

[The situation is not out of control]

In the narrative’s attempt to over blow this isn’t done ,correctly

You need to have self aware ness.

Bumper cars

Good

[Also you had to come to the Senate to say that]

(This could’ve been an email)

Or a photo op/ State -ment-

Duchess why did you come here you knew they were going to pull this shit

Like this helped nothing

And the narrative,

What was a good situation that was supposed to come out of this?

You stand before a council of people who decided to fight, saying I don’t fight

[ and these are toxic people mind you]

There was no way this is going to end up good;

And I don’t.. know what the narrative?

Padme?

Also what is with the weird bumper car rules?

Because it seems like anyone can come up at any time and ask any question?

[Like, how is that not chaos?]

Wo rking under toxic assumed authority. .

“People-

‘ I call to the stand Obi-Wan (Kenobi) and Anakin Of the Jedi order, to provide testament,”

That’s all that had to be said..

On top of;

“My government will submit to peace keepers actual peace keepers - Un-armed- For Eval -uation,’

That would make sense

And work off Satine’s Ad- vers Ion- To Obi-Wan, and the Jedi Council,

True

Dick,

-Jedi

Yeah, she didn’t reject, she allowed the Jedi to do a full investigation,

Also as brutal as the scene is, it is a good show of you reap what you sow and enablers turning on a enablers

Even though Satine should’ve known better than to argue peace with a war council...

Obi-won says nothing . . .

Fuck You (Good)

Bad Ass

Lots of politicians speaking,

Wait-

Dick-

Appro priate-

Ser-iously touching someone without their consent?

Dick entitled move.

Spec. Ifically.

After he stood by and watched that happened - Senate - Yeah cause you were there and you did nothing

Better;

Saltine calls Obi-Wan as a witness (Both Obi-Wan and the others. (Anakin) standing watch over her home planet

They failed to respond due to being in the middle of some thing

Or just distracted

This makes looks Satine Look extremely bad, That Jedi are not Re-sponding On her home planet

The vote gets passed

Satine is more than distressed

When Obi-Wan Coms her In

They argue, Satine Sni,pping. A. Bro-ken Promise

“You said you’d be there for me (This Time)]

“You’re never there when I need you,”

“You’re never there when it matters most,”

With that, the conversation ends

Satine possibly getting ready to defend herself against the republic

Coming to invade her home

Im-bittered Sweet

Didn’t help at all but okay,

We’re friends

Good

[To be fair the romance was so forced, that friendship is honestly best,]

Ah, Lady, You just got a friendship last block,

No need to act surprised.

Nothing More

Good because there was no chemistry between you up to this point,

State of mind

....

What?

What state of mind?

...

She’s fine!

Yeah she over reacted to the dude

But - got everything together when it mattered-

THANK YOU!

That was an asinine statement

Hysterical

No they wouldn’t be

That isn’t a compliment.

That’s Invalidation.

Dick Obi-Wan

Point!

So much

point in this!

I am so

pleased..

(Though

regular,”

I only -

Gas-

lighting

“I’m-

Yes!

Mhm

This is some

Bomb ass tea

De-licious

(I just realized my phrasing of words I’m so-)

It’s good is the point

(Doesn’t it make up what happened in the previous episodes,

But, Makes it easier to forget . . .

Accoun- tability - Is the word you’re looking for (The character, not the writer,”) They’re doing good . ... You live with a child groomer (Are One)

Does make sense. Obi-won closest to the problem (Groomed specifically in benefit of it) Still sad that they just gave up

Even if he does have a point That Two generations have essentially grown up Anakin and their time as the present is over

Bit too late to have a regrets

(Only when it screws you over..

Not the future generations)

And...

My sympathy is officially gone (Not the storytelling’s fault, I think they work -ed this conversation pretty well - Just the facts to narcs arguing - Still made me think about what exactly what was wrong - That’s good (narc)Con versation,

Any way,

I love this song

Obi-Wan gets roasted for all his bad behavior 2.0...

It’s nice

Crusade

This Convo was good

(It made me feel better about all the times the writers used cheating tactics)

*Not for giv-ed

just- better

[That expression- was concerning]

There

Aight

That- Was-

Chilling

[You just spent the whole time getting yelled out for his deeds, just continued on, emotion less]

The “respectable” kind (Approp-riate for an adult)

Aight

[Oh- no are they going to have the Obi-won rescue her and that proves that all her opinions are wrong?

Not actually; she made some really good points

But in the narrative treating?

(I don’t want to see that)

Okay, whelp,

Coursant has the worst security ever,

How?

Damn Frick

Is a bad day for her,

Filed

Some random dude hijacked your car

Who are you going to sue?

Bitch

Queenie, dude’s obviously an asshole

Leave

Also if there was no proof then why aren’t you charging her for vandalism terrorism, etc?

(See his logic is bullshit,)

also this is a good example of obstructive bureaucrat . . .

Or avoidant

Because how do three people nearly dying not constitute as proof?

[Like if she died.]

Also, what’s the plan if she did?

Like; Oh yeah deathwatch is such a threat that they killed a senator

Those dudes don’t care

They only pissed at her because she’s a pacifist coming into a Offensive summit

Accident

[she accidentally drove her car. [Yelling at the villain]

Not what she said

This dude could give Obi-Wan a run for his gas lighting,

Whelp

Fuck Off

Oh yeah the council of war mongers will really respect the pa- cifist

No bias here

None whatsoever

Satine

Hey at least this time he had the common decency not to grab her-

dick

Oh yeah defender of the gaslight-ing committee she’ll definitely help

Worry You

Don’t give into the gaslight-

Also guilt tripping

“ i’m afraid on that account,”

No,

Dick

Valid re-ac- tions

Shit-

“Victim blaming” (Toxic blaming)

Pretty sure they’re all enablers at this point

Tox-

Ma’am

Leave the ball of tox known as Obi-Wan

Man has turned from a garbage fire to a gas fire,

Coursant

Yeah, you should leave,

Also, That Moment,

You are one of them.

You’re not backing down

👉 This Not,

Con

Don’t listen to Obi-Wan He sucks

Also none of the guards are going to zap him for touching their queen unannounced? - - - Friends

You’re not her friends

You’ve been nothing but a dick

Gas lighting

Nope

Tox.

[like listen to that ag-gressive tone, How he’s holding her

Tox

[Still good on the animators who did that scene, Very good work,]

Occ-upation

Shit

Happen

Oh Shit-

Obi-won distracted her?

Aight

Meeting

What

How-

Hm,

Wait- Huh

[this is some kangaroo Court logic

It’s Good.]

Before

“Relying on the Republic is a mistake,”

Yesssss

More Acc- Toxic initiative (Since there’s no to little way they end this) Based on circumstance only (No different sources)

Any-way Um

Okay

Right Just Vibin’g

Aight Whelp,

Am I?

Oh is that the Senator guy?

Death watch?

Also- okay

Al- right.

Wait What?

Hm?

Green

We know two greens And one changeling That should be in custody-

Wait- ?

What?

? ? ?

EXPLAIN

Who-

What

At-

This was a pretty a’ight episode

(Trust me I wish I could give it higher praise)

However the unfortunate clankiness of the introduction

Keeps it stubbornly between a decent and good

With that being said;

That does not take away from the fact that is a ____ whatever it is

-it has good characterization for Satine

- it handles heavy morals like enabling, tox, abuse and pro- blems With Assumed Autho rity- Includ Ing Police Bru- tality And Fram -ing Very Well

(With the appro- priate dignity it deserves,

[there’s a small bit of better done romance/ fond-ness, near the End]

*Villain was neat

[More of sidious and on the [Main] villains

There were few Moments that Made Me Go Wtf (Obi Wan’s Abuse Of The Word “Saw You,” The Insist Ence That Death Watch Was In Tim i- dating

As For Fix -ing;

Episode; Instead of to defend, Wise Saltine is called To ident ify a Death Watch Member- Or Re New Her Neu- Trality Pledge In Person (Due to Change ling (Over Lap) Attack

Episode Pro Gress Es

Arc Fixes;

Obi- won delivers news, that he’s supposed to escort her Pers On Ally, Saltine expects everything to go over swimmingly after all she hasn’t done anything wrong, Quickly find out otherwise, Loyalty over her vs the government

Leads to a small break (Episode continues as normally)

(Death watch- if want)

Fix Arc Continue; (Note no offense to the author meant I just started some thing and I should finish it as an accountable writer)

Satine Is Forced Into Either Defend Ing Or Leaving Anakin To Her Irate People, Soon After Obi-won’s In- Cid ent Pri med

Hope Spot Or Depres. Further. Push Ing Ana -kin’s Dec- Ision To Snap) End

[Generally I thought this was a pretty ____ episode, the animation and set design will really good/ On par and it seems to have made up. (Corrected) A majority of flaws I had with previous episodes . . . Moving On...

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