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#in a way it was like amity didnt like being in the human realm at all. i think it was partially due to her finally reconnecting w her dad &
drbtinglecannon · 2 years
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Anyone else think about how Amity was the only kid who didn't make some special connection to the human realm?
Willow took up photography and made a scrapbook full of precious memories with her friends. From intimate moments like Amity & Luz on their human world date to silly moments like Hunter getting chased by bees, she took pictures of every moment, labeled each photo, and lovingly framed them with stickers & pressed flowers.
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Gus became obsessed with Cosmic Frontier, a sci-fi book series that related to his struggles with being far away from home. He rambled on about it to Hunter and after lending him the book, the two of them became so obsessed with it they raided Camila & Manny's closet for cosplays for Halloween. Gus also made contact with the giraffes, something he listed as a life goal he wanted to accomplish that got him his palisman.
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Hunter had an existing interest in sewing that only grew once Camila showed him how to use a sewing machine. He practiced more and more, from making a variety of modifications to people's clothes to making costumes for himself & Gus, and developed pride in his abilities. He also started watching anime (according to Zeno) and he grew such a fascination with wolves he made his own shirt design of them.
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Vee leaned hard into learning Spanish and all other kinds of human culture. Sure it started as a necessity to blend in but after her secrets were revealed to Camila she kept at them. Vee happily showed the other kids how to use basic human equipment, kept them safe from harm, and was the star student in their group Spanish lessons.
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Meanwhile Amity... Didn't seem to find any special outlets or grow any particular attachments. She was the one that pushed they go exploring on their own, she was so confused with how human realm libraries worked that she accidentally embarrassed herself at one (suggesting she didn't go exploring the library earlier despite how much the one at home means to her), and she didn't showcase any new/existing hobbies that got screentime like the other kids did.
Considering how excited she once was to visit the human realm with Luz, it's interesting that the entire time they were stuck there she was the only one that didn't find something uniquely from there to pass the time with.
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oryoucouldhavemine · 11 months
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TOH Headcanon Dump Post
(Mostly the De-lights because i write them the most lmao)
Hunter:
Autistic
surprisingly tall but like in a lanky "towers over everyone" way except he has terrible posture
gets overwhelmed with sound, light, people, basically everything if it was unexpected he's probably overwhelmed
Darius is his dad but Raine and Eberwolf are like, honorary parents at this time. Eda and Camila are more like the really close aunts he always visits to me, idk i dont see Eda being a parental figure that works for him (Luz however that is her daughter fr fr)
has lots of scars from Belos trying to "teach him a lesson" about bravery and such and Hunter doesnt think anything about it until hes like changing and Darius does a drama queen dramamgic gasp, hand over chest while leaning against a wall for support
HATES tight clothing, its too restricting he enjoys oversized and loose clothes. in the human world, luz introduces him to skirts and hunter is like "WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT WEAR A SKIRT THEYRE AMAZING"
he also likes purses he thinks theyve gotta be magical or something
touch-starved but has loving friends and family who are here to help him through it
discovers fire trucks and engines in the human world and despises the boiling isles for NOT HAVING THEN WHY DONT THEY HAVE THEM THEYRE SO COOL????
Luz
ADHD + genderqueer (p sure both are canon)
SHE WOULD LOVE NEO/XENO PRONOUNS theyd have sm fun with chosing ones
Loves to dress masc and fem and soemtimes combine them in asburd ways but she always surprisingly makes the outfit work
wants a guinea pig farm. no, NEEDS a guinea pig farm. She wants to name them all after her favourite book characters and sew them tiny outfits to match she would KILL a man for a guinea pig farm
considera hunter her older brother and looks up to him a lot
LOVES her gf would also kill a man for her she is the light of her life. luz tries to do grand romantic cheesy gestures like writing amity poems or getting her a massive bouquet of flowers but something ALWAYS goes wrong (amity loves all the gestures regardless)
luz's favourite colour is purple (because of amity ofc)
she HAS to sleep either sprawled out taking up every inch of the bed possible or curled up and swadled like a little baby there is no inbetween
very tactile if luz isnt hugging someone there might me something wrong
im cutting this short i could make fifty posts about luz hcs alone
Amity
autistic + sapphic
npw that shes free from her mom, she LOVES to be imperfect, she gets happy whenever she fails a test or a spell because shes ALOWED to be imperfect now
she and hunter did NOT get along at first like even post-s3 they didnt mesh well but they both care for Luz they had to get over it (and now theyre practically ever apart)
admired lillith even more now, she thinks lillith is like, THE COOLEST person in the world but feels akward telling her
has poor circulation so she gets cold really easily
whenever shes stressed or worried, shell pull at two strands of her hair next to her face and like twirl or pull on them to ground herself
Gus
unlabelled he/they
brags about having gone to the human realm to anyone who will listen
considers himself an expert on human things despite barely actually knowing anything human
loves playing pranks but is literally terrible at them but everyone humors him and acts surprised (he knows theyre acting)
once took a human SAT just to see if he could and got a higher score than Camila got on hers and she calls him Boy Genius for it
like in Flyer Derby, hes really good at a lot of sports but he plays untraditionally. hes always underestimated by the other team but then ends up scoring all the winning points
hes a silly little guy love him
Willow
her comfort person is hunter, she feels strong all the time but it weighs on her and hunter makes her feel strong even at her weakest moments
she likes to knot and crochet! she picked it up in the human world and she finds it so calming and fun except it took her a bit before she actually got the hang of it (she made like five sweaters that had three arms but in her defense!!! she knows a lot of creatures and beings with three arms!!!)
works out! not necessarily to get strong but because working out makes her feel accomplished
amity has been trying out new hairstyles and Willow loves being Amity's pracitce head. You can barely ever find willow without some sort of fancy braid or bun hairstyle nowadays
she wants a horse. shes not actually sure what a horse IS but she wants one
super sweet to every new person she meets until they mess with her friends then she is the scariest person alive
Darius
OCD + gay
he discovers what drag queens are and becomes obsessed
"a place for everything and everything in its place" hehas harsh rules about what does where and gets easily upset if his system is ruined
he DESPISES "if you hate messes so much whyd you pick the messiest magic to learn" comments because how DARE you insinuate that abomination matter (PART OF WHAT HE IS!) is ANYTHING like mud its actually very disrespectful of you to think so he says
he and alador had a falling out in their later years of school and to cover up the hurt, darius will argue and tease him but deep down he really just misses him
at the start of him trying to care for hunter, he refuses to admit that he is like a father to him. anytime eda or raine call him a dad, he'll go out of his way to try and prove hes NOT (cut to five months layer when hes legally adopted hunter and they meecilessly tesse him)
acts like eberwolf is the biggest inconvience hes ever met but would kill anyone who tries to harm them (and hed rather die than tell them that)
does things in threes, he doesnt even notice he does it at this point but he'll like rub his hands together three times, tie his hair up with three twists, eat three waffles for breakfast, and when smth isnt in threes it feels verry OFF to him
Alador
queer + autistic
very fixated on his work, he needs to be constantly creating and if he isnt creating then hes falling behind and if hes falling behind its the end of the world
doesnt know how to properly show affection, his parents had been pretty strict and neglectful so he doesnt know how to properly show his kids that he loves and cares for them
NOT a tactile person at all. don't touch him and DEFINTELY dont touch him without permission. he has very few people who are exceptions (his kids and Darius) and even then there are limits
hates the feeling of showering so hes a bigger bath person despite darius telling him thats not an effective way to get clean
he has like eighty pairs of the exact same outfit because its the only texture he can stand
darius and his falling out was due to his parents telling him darius was dragging him down and he itched him in an attempt to make his parents proud. he deeply regrets his choice everyday (they fix their shit eventually)
he DOES have a favourite kid but he refuses to tell them such
Edric
bisexual + autistic + transmasc
this man gets NO BITCHES none zero trying to find a partner is borderline IMPOSSIBLE for some unknown reason
he runs on a schedule and if something breaks the schedule no matter how small it can ruin his whole day
vrry open with his emotions. he will tell you right away if youre bothering him or did something to upset him
WHY THE HELL IS SCHOOL SO HARD he despises english because why are all answers right and wrong he loves math because there is only one right answer but its still a tricky subject for him
dinosaurs
his biggest fear is dying alone he hates being alone its the worst thing ever
WHY IS MAGIC TRICKY AS WELL WHY IS EVERYTHING SO HARD? hes getting better though and hes really good at beastkeeping
clingy emotionally and physically he needs the constant reassurance that people are there and care for him and hes close to his sister and tends to stick to her like glue
Emira
bisexual + AuDHD + transfem
when she and edric were younger and realised they were both trans they just switched names and clothes and it took ten years for their parents to notice the switch
RSD [Rejection Senstive Dysphoria] she hates that she has it because someone can say smth as simple as "sorry i cant make it my grandma died" and she'll start thinking of a million different reasons why that person actually just hates her (shes communicated this with her siblings though and they do their best to commincate clearly back with her that no they dont hate her at all)
SO MANY BITCHES people fall at her feet they swoon when she walks by but NONE of them are her type its terrible!!!!
loves her little sister but doesnt know how to show her love through any other way outside merciless teasing
she loves her brother, she does, she just wants to be her own person outside him, to be able to turn around and not see him two feet behind her
loves english and the fact you can make any wrong answer right with enough arguing and debate. math is her least favourite subject WHY THE HELL IS IT SO HARD
has years of detention stacked up but has not attended a single day (she got suspended for a week because of it and was just like YAYYY FREE VACATION!)
will sometimes just sit in her dads workshop while he works and watch in silence because she likes hanging out with people but knows alador cant focus with sound. its both of their favourite times
Raine
lesbian + nonbinary
post-s3 runs a music therapy group where they teach people how to play instruments or how listening to music can greatly help their mental health
has been in love with eda since their breakup, they never stopped loving her and would watch from the sidelines with terror as wanted signs got hung up around the BI for years
doesnt mind dressing fem or masc but prefers the more androgynous outfits
has watched hunter from the sidelines and tried to protect them from a distance but could only do so much. post-HM raine goes out of their way to make sure hunter is safe
sees luz as a sort of step daughter and then promptly panics over that realisation for a whole day
gets flustered really easily like why is everything so embarrassing what the hell
very agile, can do backflips and stuff
Eberwolf
Unlabelled + he/they
COULD JOT STAND DARIUS AT FIRST darius and eber did NOT get along in their early years of being covenheads but then eventually learned they were both rebels and got closer now theyre kind of like begruding brothers
could kill a man in their sleep and has
loves being dirty, mud is so much fun why doesnt everyone roll around in the mud more?
has also watched hunter from afar for years, hunter used to be sent out on overnight missions into the woods and stuff and eber would follow along and protect hunter so he could focus on his mission and not random forest creatures trying to kill him
Most of these are based on my dadrius series and stuff so if you enjoyed these hcs uou should go read my fics (KaztielCS118 on ao3!!! used to be Im_Basically_Shakespeare but i changed it recently)
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So... does anyone else get the impression season 3 was a giant middle finger to Disney? Like a whole "Oh, you want to cancel TOH? Fuck you. We are going to give you an ending so bad people are gonna shit on it forever."
While TOH always had an issues in the writing department there's just something about Season 3 that's particularly awful and kind of malicious tbh. Season 3 doesn't feel like there was any care put into it.
So... while I do like Thanks to Them because Hunter/Luz bonding and Caleb/Evelyn=Luz/Hunter tidbits... it's actually really, really bad. There is no logical explanation for why the characters are fucking around for literal months. Philip should know where titan blood can be found as he had SOMEWAY to get to TBI's. He also knew of Calebs and Evelyns relationship - thats why he even went to TBI's to begin with. He wanted to look for Caleb and convince him to come back to the human world. Philip met Evelyn when he and Caleb were teenagers and he was PROBABLY friends with her before he decided to double down on the witch hate.
Another thing: Flapjack did not need to keep quiet about there possibly being a rebus in the house and the existence of rebuses in general FOR MONTHS. He could have said the moment they came to the human realm something like:
"Hey so, Caleb and Philip were friends with a witch named Evelyn for years. There's titan blood hidden around Gravesfield. I know the landscape has changed over the centuries but you can probably find a vial somewhere by using glyphs near the location shown on the rebus. Caleb and Evelyn made maps to titan blood in the form of rebuses because they needed to keep their relationship a secret. This dilapidated house you guys arrived in when you came to the human realm is Calebs house because the doorways fixed location in the human realm is Caleb's house. There's probably a rebus somewhere in the house. If there are no rebuses in the house, I can show you the last known locations of other rebuses."
Because nobody does anything proactive to find a way home UNTIL Amity accidentally steps in the hole in the floor FLAPJACK made while looking for the rebus. Not only did Flapjack not bother to tell Hunter about there being a rebus that leads to titan blood in the house they fixed up and have been using as a base of operations for literal months - none of the characters ever thought to look around the town for some clues that could lead them back to the demon realm. All the characters try to do is build doorways. VEE could have mentioned there was a witch who came to Gravesfield centuries ago, which would have kickstarted their journey around town. Vee knows about the story because of Yesterdays Lie - and they fucking mention Vee's confrontation with Jacob and show us Jacob in Thanks to Them. THERES LITERALLY a whole museum full of rebuses that were dug up around Gravesfield the characters could have gone to. You cant tell me Gus, Amity, Willow and Hunter were too afraid to explore the demon realm as if they weren't literally living in the human realm for months and went on trips during their stay. As if they weren't gungho about exploring the human realm right after finding the rebus. AS IT they didnt have Vee as a reliable guide around town.
There's also no reason for Luz to go back to school when she has to find a way to get everyone back home. Luz going to school is another time waster with no reason to exist.
On top of that Flapjack doesn't tell Hunter a damn thing about Caleb. We dont even get a "Flapjack finds it difficult to talk about Caleb" moment to explain Flapjacks silence. We dont know WHY Flapjack doesnt say anything about Caleb even though Flapjack clearly belonged to Caleb and not Evelyn. He just lets Hunter read these history books about Caleb which might not even be completely accurate because history can be omitted and changed to fit certain narratives. And the stories about The Wittebane brothers and Evelyn are proven to be incorrect because they paint Evelyn as a stereotype AND as the person who killed Caleb.
But yeah, Thanks to Them is alot less enjoyable when you realize ALL of the characters are wasting time for no reason.
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ngl i kind of miss the era of fics after hunting palismen but before season 1b where hunter slowly befriends luz’s friends and family under the guise of studying wild magic/espionage/whatever they were setting up with hunter spying on luz in season 2a that they didn’t have time to pay off in the show. and he finds a loving mother figure in eda and gradually realizes that belos and the emperor’s coven are bad before bravely standing up to his abuser and permanently moving into the owl house to be luz and king’s grumpy older brother.
i know his arc in canon didn’t go like that and tbh despite having more episodes to interact with him than darius or camilla eda ended up being like. the least parental towards him out of the three. but i really like that fic concept? not very action-y so i get why they played his arc out this way in the show but hunter’s heel turn in the show didnt. really feel like it was in his control? he has doubts about helping belos in every episode he appears in bc he was growing to care about luz and her friends. and ofc he finds out that belos is evil in hollow mind and ends his redemption arc by choosing to help hexside fight off the scouts.
but he was forced into all the realizations about belos by outside factors. he leaves the emperor coven not because he made an informed decision about how it was bad but because he knows belos would kill him if he didn’t leave the coven. and then when he helped the students at hexside it was because the teachers were about to trade him for gus if he couldn’t prove that he was trustworthy. i guess in the human realm he does get to learn what counts as a normal childhood and loving family, but that ties more into his post-redemption arc about found family rather than this being what makes him realize that belos was evil.
(this is also why i like to compare hunter to peridot from steven universe rather than zuko. i know on a surface level hunter and zuko are both angsty boys with a scar and an abusive father figure. but zuko had a journey bonding with civilians and the gaang where he learned why exactly the fire nation was wrong. and his decision to leave the fire nation, after zuko got back all his privilege and his fathers favor, was meaningful because it showed he was willing to give all that up to do what was right. meanwhile hunter, like peridot, had nothing left to lose by the time they join the protagonists. they fought against the villains because they were trapped with the protagonists and would die if they didn’t. i’d say even peridot had more agency in her redemption arc than hunter because she was given a chance to go back to homeworld but instead chose to save earth anyway and tell off yellow diamond.)
every confrontation between hunter and the villains during and after hollow mind was forced on him. in his earlier episodes, hunter did some small betrayals towards the coven to help luz and willow. but during the final part of his redemption (hollow mind & labyrinth runners, where he fully does a heel turn towards the protagonists’ side), saving gus from getting his sigil was the only major action he chose to do. in every other instance, his options were either help the protagonists or be killed.
this isn’t a bad thing. i like hunter’s character arc. it’s definitely more about coming to terms with one’s trauma than about anything bad hunter actually did. so they kind of brush aside his redemption arc once it’s over and the major focus is on what comes after. which i think is how toh does most of its redemption arcs? like with lilith or to a lesser extent amity. hell even mattholomule. once the character realize they’re wrong they get on the protagonist’s side and there isn’t much lingering tension about the harm they did. because once they’ve dedicated themselves to helping the protagonists, there isn’t much more they can do to make up for the past harm and toh definitely isn’t trying to preach anything about punitive justice.
so for hunter he realizes belos is evil and going to kill him in hollow mind and decides to help luz’s friends stop him in labyrinth runners. and after that he permanently joins the gang and helps fight belos and the rest of his arc is about finding himself after his redemption. which with how they wrote his backstory and arc so far i am more interested in this than seeing him haggle with the moral quandaries of working with belos and slowly realizing that he wants to be a Good Boy.
but man. those season 2a fics are so good. they’re like an au where hunter’s redmption arc is more like zuko’s than peridots and they give him a LOT more agency. in those fics he might get forced to stay with the owl family at first out of plot contrivance, but by the end he chooses his new family. and he chooses luz and eda and the rest of their friends and family over every privilege he had in the emperor coven, and over belos. and even though it might be a bit cliche, i still think that idea is really powerful.
#toh#the owl house#hunter toh#hunter noceda#hunter clawthorne#the way his arc plays out in those fics and the way his actual arc went are subtlely different#but that difference is significant to me#its taking responsibility for your crimes as a pawn of a dictator and finding that the people who actually love you will still forgive you#its looking at luz and her family of criminals who genuinely love and support each other#and looking at the emperor coven and all its prestige but with the underside of impossible pressure#and occasional praise and manipulation from an uncle that SHOULD love you but only uses that love to hurt you and get you to obey him#and realizing that no. you deserve to be treated better than that#that a humble life spent running from authorities with a family of genuine love#is leagues better than the power and glory from perpetuating a cycle of abuse#its hunter coming to terms that the environment he grew up in was horrible to him and continuing living there with that knowledge#before deciding that hes ready to leave belos. that he has a support system outside of the coven who wont treat him like this#as opposed to having the worst night of your life as you realize everything you know is a lie#and being forced from the only home you ever knew through no fault of your own with no support system you trust#and only after you have nowhere to go and nothing left do you start building everything back up again#and either way hunter realizes there is a light at the end of the tunnel#i think the second arc does have more of a place in the show but man i love to see that first arc explored in fics#maybe in a full season 3 they would have combined both ideas and they definitely planned to have hunter spend time with the owl family#but well never know#shut up pandora
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torchiiko · 2 years
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things i want to happen in toh s3
harpy lilith??? helloe???? she has the curse too now. shes been in owl beast form. its only fair and epic that she gets a harpy form as well
sillies and funnies to balance out the Everything Else going on i need them to have silly human realm shenanigans
i also need luz hunter sibling momence !!! licking someones hand when they put it over your mouth is The Sibling Thing Ever its basically canon i said so
i also also need gus hunter sibling momence . hunter big brother frfr
ikk theres probably gonna be a conclusion to the wittebane arc at some point but i hope. hunter does Not suffer any more than he already has (unlikely but i can hope)
he also better not die!! no more casualties. if anyone dies ill cry forever
raeda :) they didnt work out in the past bc eda couldnt bring herself to ask for help but now shes grown and she can be more open so like,, let em get back together
odalia and alador divorce /j. but something better happen with the blights bc aladors on his way to a redemption but odalia doesnt seem willing to change
hunter gets adopted by everyone
luzs palisman hatches and gets all cute and cuddly with amitys palisman :)
camila and luz teach all the kids spanish
collector actually just being a kid whos too powerful for their own good and not like. actively malicious. perhaps they can be persuaded not to destroy the world so long as they have a willing playmate
hunter sees a cardinal !!
grimwalker lore??? hunter was reading up on them in the school and we still dont know exactly how they work
gus sees a giraffe :)
in general luz just introduces everyone to human world things
a happy ending please god i wont be able to handle it if the ending isnt happy. if its even bittersweet ill sob for years let these kids be happy
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corvidaequeer · 3 years
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I'm seeing some people being mad at Camila Noceda for the whole camp thing-
But all Camila wanted- was for Luz to be able to make friends & for her imagination/hyperfixations not disrupt her learning- thats why she was sending her to camp. Thats it. She didnt want her to be some whole new person, just learn to separate fiction & reality & make some real friends. And as things go- summer camp is a fucking great place to bond & make friends, okay.
(Yeah, sending your camp to make her "normal" is not my favorite vocabulary in the world (especially as an autistic queer like Luz). And perhaps there are better ways but there are also WAY WORSE ways too.)
But I don't think people realise the depths of her inability to separate fiction & reality & how much damage actually does.
But Luz's imagination & can be extremely destructive and we see that very regularly in both dimensions:
She has no friends in the human realm & is either bullied or has a delusion that no one likes her for being weird & so she never makes friends cause she assumes people hate her (think Wirt from OTGW) or bit both.
Throughout the series Luz makes tons of comparisons along the lines of "well this work on tv/literature so it should work in real life too" that just do not work or make sense. And often times those divides from reality end up putting her & her friends in repeated physical danger & emotional turmoil:
· She has set loose spiders & snakes on her classmates. · She was tricked by the puppet master guy & lured into harms way · The vine incident in grudgeby match where she could have seriously hurt her friends just like Amity did · Wanting to meddle in Willow & Amity's relationship as if she could fix it overnight · Thinking she could sneak in & steal the healer hat for Eda · & pleanty more...
Luz needs help to learn that life does not work like tv or books- Camila was sending her to get that help. So now Luz is having to learn the hard way that the world does not work like fiction...& in the process she puts herself & others in danger along the way.
And just so everyone knows...
We don't know anything about what this summer camp had in store for her. No one said that it was some kind of conversion camp for autistic/nuerodivergent kids! Yes the pamflet gave those vibes but it could've had therapist as councilors & tought coping mechanisms/vocabular for asking for your needs for nuerofivergent kids & been an actually really cool & helpful place with really bad marketing. We don't know! Actual conversion camps are traumatizing- but Vee & her friends don't look the slightest traumatized by it, infact they look happy to have gone & met eachother. It doesn't have to have been this horrible thing that Camila was sending her daughter to. We can give her the benefit of the doubt that she did her research & found a good place for Luz. We dont have to make her a bad mom- She's just trying to find a fun way to help her kid.
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theowlhouseamity · 3 years
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Amity and luz were hanging out in the owl house as amity pulled out a book “this book says that there is an easier way to get to the human realm and come back without making a portal” luz looked shocked but amity couldnt tell because luz was acting normal about it “hey luz are you okay?” Luz was upset that she was waisting her time and luz put off with “oh its nothing but your really pretty” amity blushed “well im not as pretty as.. you.” “IM SORRY I DIDNT MEAN TO SAY THAT I HAVE TO GO NOW BYE” amity ran off to her room freaking out. “why did i say that shes gonna hate me and soon shes gonna stop being my girlfriend and-“ luz ran in the room and amity started freaking out. “Oh hey luz! Ik ur my girlfriend but uh what are you doing in my room at night?” Amity blushed. Luz just stared at amity using eye contact. “I just came to see if you were okay you seemed to be panicking” amity blushed “yeah im fine…titan i forgot today was your birthday let me get your present be right back!” Luz was confused on why amity said that during night and forgot her birthday the entire day. Amity came running in the room with a giant pink present “here! Sorry i forgot i was busy thinking about yo- youtube, yeah. Not you.” “Whats youtube anyway? Isnt it a human thing luz?” Luz sighed “its more of a thing where u watch people do stuff i guess” amity freaked out “ ANYWAYS.. heres your present” {luz opened a box with a ribbon at the top as she opened it a note at the top saying “ily <3 from amity” } amity started freaking out because luz had no reaction “im sorry if you dont like it. I tried my best to find a cheap flag off witchazon but thats all i found..sorry again if you dont like it i always ruin peoples orders and-“ luz started laughing “amity…I LOVE IT! Thank you!” <luz smiled with the giant bisexual flag that amity found> amity started to smile “your the best girlfriend i could have asked for” luz smiled back at her. Amity started to become red “oh uh sorry for saying that goodbye forever!” - [end of rp]
Ask me any questions in the replys and i can answer them as well
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