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I just sort of want to get this out of my head so I can move onto other things, but I don't think Lilith is going to be what we expect her to be. Barring everything Vizzie previously stated about the Morningstar family, I just have this gut feeling she's not the big bad.

Lilith may be antagonistic at first, maybe not who knows at this point, but I don't think she's the problem that Sera seems so afraid of. Especially with how Lute approaches her at the beach, that is not someone who is afraid of Lilith. She insulted her daughter by calling her a brat, and made demands out of her. 

I know there are theories about Alastor and Lilith being in cahoots together because of them disappearing at the same time, and Alastor's attitude towards Lucifer. A lot of people think Lilith has Alastor on a leash, but correlation is not causation. I strongly believe Alastor just didn't like a stronger and more influential figure popping up at the hotel, what he considers his territory. Alastor is a grade-a-narc, and he likes to pick fights with bigger male authority figures to secure his place in their world.

In the finale, Alastor was distressed about his deal, possibly forcing him to stay at the hotel even though now it nearly got him killed. He wants out, but he’s scared of whatever or whoever has him, to the point he’s second guessing if there is even a way out at all. From here we see a very peculiar motif. These red eyes. Both in his tower (which don't appear anywhere else in the hotel), and his shield.

These eyes are literally everywhere, and in the beginning animatic we see that these eyes represent the pit” or Hell. They show up the minute Charlie mentions that a great black pit opened up, which her parents were then thrown into as punishment for allowing Evil to take hold of earth. Lilith and Lucifer are cast into these eyes. I know there is a theory that these are associated with Lilith, but I don't think so. I think they’re just representative of Hell itself, or the entity of Evil itself. Motifs are a BIG thing in Hazbin, everyone has one, especially the Morningstars. 

The motifs we know about Lilith are what we've physically seen so far. We know she inspired Hell through her music (which seems like a Morningstar habit honestly, they all do this). Charlie as a baby has music notes on her dress. 

The animatic in the beginning story shows Lilith with her music notes, as well as Charlie calling it back in her song " Happy Day in Hell". Then, after being shown Lilith and her music notes, then eyes show up at the bottom with the city of hell being created. 

Lucifer also has a call back to eyes since angels have many many eyes in their forms, especially Seraphim. However, his motifs almost always appear in golden yellow, both on his person and in his architecture. The Hotel has many eyes everywhere, but they are all clearly related to Lucifer either by their gold color or his maroon shade of red that's all over the hotel. They're almost always symmetrical in the architecture as well, while the hell eyes are more misshapen.

*Which side tangent, but it's very clear this Hotel used to belong to the Morningstars before it was abandoned and Charlie took up residence. It's dilapidated, heavily, to the point Charlie was willing to let Alastor in to help liven it up a little. Per the large circus imagery, I think it's safe to say it was Lucifer’s, for one reason or another, which is interesting.* 

Anyway, these Hell eyes are red, always. And Eve is very heavily associated with the color red in the very little amount we get to see of her. 

Even Lilith is standing outside the aura of red that surrounds Eve, Lucifer, and the Apples. 

Charlie's main motif seems to be hearts, and it's also shared with her father as he has a heart in his tail just like Charlies. 

What we know about Lilith is second hand, but I think it's fair to say Charlie would know her mother better than anyone (minus Lucifer obviously). Charlie says her mother loved her kingdom, and she passed that passion onto her daughter.  So whatever is happening with Lilith I believe has to do strictly with the exterminations and that only. A bargain, a willing prisoner, a tired and hopeless queen that’s done with it all? Who knows, but I don’t think she has anything to do with Alastor's whole ordeal, nor the enormous threat to Heaven as Sera talks about. 

I don’t know if it's Eve, or some other force, but I think Alastor is way more in over his head than making deals with Hell’s love struck family. I think he’s doing deeds on behalf of a much larger universal evil that’s present throughout all of hell. We know in the beginning that Evil existed before the creation of Eden, we see a creepy representation of it in the beginning standing next to “Good”. Good and Evil have been at war for eons. This force was itching to get its blood red hands on Earth, and so just maybe it also wants a piece of Heaven. 

Alastor wasn’t sent to the hotel to check up on Lilith’s daughter. I think he was sent to have the best chance anyone could at getting a foot into Heaven. We have to remember Charlie is Lucifer’s daughter, the King of Hell that still has connections to Heaven. Enough to get a meeting for his daughter. No one knows what gets a soul into Heaven, and considering how messed up Adam was, it may not even have to be real or mean anything. Charlie wouldn’t take Alastor that first time, because she didn’t owe him anything. Now she does, per their deal after her failed negotiations. As long as none gets hurt, but having her let him join along for their next holy vacation or something similar would fit that criteria.

Sir Pentious making it to Heaven would send Sera into a panic. I doubt she wants sinners, people that have been touched by evil, barging through the gates into Heaven redeemed or not. Clearly by her face, she’s distressed. Sera doesn’t want a war with Hell, because of what is in Hell. Evil has never had a better opportunity to corrupt the incorruptible than it does with an army of demons and a deluded Princess with dreams. Just like her father. 

So I don't think Lilith is the villain. A small one, maybe, but Lucifer still wears his ring and Charlie speaks the world of her. She looked happy in her portraits with her family, and I don’t doubt she’d do anything to protect them, but that’s an entirely different argument. No, I think Lilith exists to distract everyone from what is lurking underneath. Lilith and Alastor might have disappeared at the same time due to a similar cause, but I don’t believe it's because Lilith initiated a deal with him. Alastor was lured into a deal with a much larger threat, the same threat that concerned Sera enough to start the exterminations in the first place, that might have also triggered Lilith’s involvement.

Of course this is all speculation, and there really is no solid proof, but I just need this written and pushed away from me so I can move onto other thoughts. I know there was, or may be a character called Roo, but I try not to involve older concepts or ideas since so many things can change when the final scripts and show are done. I'm just going off strictly what we have seen straight in the show.

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So I had another thought mind you spoilers

I just realized there are more characters I would really love to see in Earth spark or like any iteration for any future Transformer thing that involves the Transformers storyline in any way possible but this is specifically for Earth Spark I wonder what would happen if over time the djd or like any of these guys ended up in Earth spark if they were going to continue the storyline and incorporate one the biggest baddest guys besides the main form of the Decepticons but like Overlord and other bad guys especially bad Autobots like they've shown Decepticons being good and Decepticons being bad but they haven't quite shown any Autobots being on both of the spectrums of being good and bad because I remember specifically Dorothy pointed out to her kids that not all Decepticons are bad and they weren't born into that life but now it's got me thinking not all Autobots are good either like there are few Autobots that kind of been what's the word something else cuz we literally had an Autobot vampire in the IDW Comics like I can tell that Earth spark can go ahead and take some of the punches that IDW was had but not all of them but it would be nice to see the djd or turn incorporated into the series along with Overlord and a bunch of other guys cuz they did it with cyberverse and like that was a whole climactic thing I also noticed that I would love to see blitzwing in the series too like we got two of The Seekers and star screaming himself but I want to see a bunch of the other things too and now that the parents have their own badge for them to wear I'm still wondering whether some of them might lean more to a side like they also back in the day for the Decepticons and Autobots they had special symbols and parts that they would use like the elite guard or Pacific killed tactic groups or the wreckers and then like seeing if the kids might lean towards a Pacific group and I know there might be more to come and so many Mysteries that are still somewhat implanted into the story and I remember when the flashbacks of when the ground Bridge was destroyed I kind of want to see a bit more of the stories that were happening in the war that might tie into more the future that a lot of bots still kind of think the war might still be going on or they don't want the war to end and they might still have some grudges specifically towards other Bots that they might have to face like some other grudges towards some Decepticons and Autobots like it's not just people on earth like I know it's specifically planted there but some people of Cybertron or from other planets and also the quintessons the contestants and the council the functioning Council like stories of the origins for Pacific characters of how they met like I guess that Terrence story but I would also like to see like Pacific Origins like I would also like to see how Dorothy and Megatron fully met and also like some flashbacks for them back in the day for like when Megatron was probably a gladiator or something and maybe having a whole another understanding for all our characters but those are just my thoughts I just really want to Series where there is more Incorporated of like the because I'm seeing they take bits and pieces from other storylines and other pieces from the Transformers fandom but these are just my thoughts and I can't help but ramble so yeah

But these are just some of my things I get there a little incoherent and they're just like all over the place but that's on my part and sorry for bad grammar or spelling or things don't make any sense I really try but I would also like to hear other people's inputs on this

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