#wtnv 246

[bulkhummus]

mom never acknowledged dad

this episode did deeply fucked up damage to my psyche

#did i do this instead of working ? absolutely yeah #wtnv #welcome to night vale #cecil palmer #abby palmer #wtnv 246 #art tag #wtnv fanart

[vvanillavveins]

"I’ve tried spending more time with dad in my dreams and in my art. But he’s- god, he’s impossible. Just give me a straight answer, man. A word, a gesture, a look at your face even. I think he was like this in real life, Cecil. I think his ambiguity, his vagueness, is why mom hated talking about him. He's not enigmatic or magical. He is fucking frustrating. All these cryptic images, but I don’t think there’s much to understand about an absent father."

#OH MY GOD THIS EPISODE #OH MY GOD I AM NOT OKAY #I THOUGHT I WOULD BE OKAY BUT CLEARLY I WAS A FOOL TO BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE OH FUCK I AM ACTUALLY NOT OKAY RIGHT NOW #crying and shaking #side note: i would die for abby's VA- her voice is absolutely perfect for this #i know i'm just imagining it but abby really does sound related to cecil #god i love everything about this #wtnv 246 #wtnv spoilers #wtnv #wtnv podcast #welcome to night vale #wtnv cecil #wtnv abby #abby palmer

[lostpetcity]

so if cecil thinks abby always avoids his questions and refuses to talk about their dad when she actually tells him each time, he just forgets, what does that say about their mom avoiding abby's questions and changing the subject each time she asked

#family curse of dad no one can talk about that haunts them all #wtnv #wtnv 246

[agnes-come-back-challenge]

Im just. Losing it over the connotations of providing Cecil with a small amount of concrete physical description in the same episode that FINALLY explains some of his childhood

#oooh i hope this isnt a dr lubelle type situation where hes gonna slowly get Explained #i doubt it is #wtnv spoilers #wtnv #welcome to night vale spoilers #welcome to night vale #wtnv 246 #a story about him

[fluctuating-fanby]

Screaming crying sobbing about WTNV 246 and Abby Carlsberg-Palmer

#wtnv spoilers #welcome to night vale #wtnv #wtnv 246 #wtnv fanart #abby palmer #cecil palmer #vince draws stuff #honestly a crime that this is my first time drawing abby

[silasthethief]

Also! the way cecil and abby differ in how he explains his treatment of steve at the beginning: cecil saw steve as replacing him as abby’s go-to person but abby saw his behaviour as an attack on herself??

anyways the palmer siblings are everything

#steve carlsberg #wtnv #abby palmer #wtnv cecil #wtnv 246

[nonbinary-catboy]

new episode was insane. really liked the bit abt Abby finding their dad in the kitchen :)

#wtnv #wtnv fanart #welcome to night vale #welcome to night vale fanart #abby wtnv #wtnv spoilers #wtnv 246

[faultyvessel]

They FINALLY. Gave us a voice for Abby I will never be normal EVER AGAIN

#welcome to night vale #WTNV #abby palmer #wtnv abby #wtnv 246

[siltslut]

the first time we hear abby’s voice and she gets to say the very first fuck of the 12-year-long show. godbless

#wtnv spoilers #wtnv #welcome to nightvale #wtnv 246

[falenminds-blog]

WEEEEEWOOOOWEEEWOOOWEEEEWOOOO CECIL CANONICALLY HAS DIMPLES WEEEEEWOOOO I REPEAT. CEACIL GERSHWIN PALMER HAS FUCKING DIMPLES AND HIS NOSE HAS A THIN BRIDGE WITH AN UPTURN AT THE TIP WEEEEWOOOOO THIS IS NOT A DRILL- OK?!?@??!?!?!!?!?@?!?!? OUR FAV HAS JUST GOTTEN OFFICIALLY CUTER THAN HE ALREADY ALWAYS WAS WEEEEEEEFUCKINGWOOOOOOOOO

#welcome to night vale #wtnv spoilers #I AM IN SHAMBLES GUYS SHAMBLES . #wtnv 246 #jeffrey cranor #joseph fink #brie williams #cecil lore #cecil gershwin palmer #cecil palmer #cecil baldwin #night vale presents #night vale #wtnv

[beansprout-tea]

palmer siblings 🤝 trying to be better people

#wtnv #welcome to night vale #wtnv spoilers #wtnv cecil #wtnv abby #wtnv 246

[dilbobloggins]

you always know the wtnv episode is good when the title is “a story about…”

#dyl posts #wtnv #welcome to nightvale #a story about you changed my life ngl #only a story about us kinda flopped but still #what an actually good episode FUCK #they’ve rly been hitting the nail on the head lately #cecil palmer #wtnv 246

[thevoiceofdesertbluffs]

YES!!! FIRST FUCK OF NIGHT VALE AND IT'S FROM ABBY!!! FUCK YEAH!!!

#goosey rambles #wtnv #wtnv spoilers #wtnv 246

[bardinthezone]

okay my mind is reeling from the latest episode i'm going to fucking explode this is one of the best episodes... period

so cecil's dad... left when cecil was born. For what reason, it's hard to tell. The narrative certainly seems to be setting it up as a concious choice, framing him as an absent father rather than just a dead one. The line "It’s not incomprehensible that two living, physical people could haunt each other." makes me really think the Gershwin-Palmer relationship was not a healthy one in any way.

But either way, he left, and maybe he died after he left, or maybe he left because he died.

But he's gone, and it broke their mother. She mourned him, she was forever haunted by him, haunted by the him she saw in Cecil. It completely ruined any semblance of relationship she had with her kids. As Cecil tells us in 182 (It Sticks With You), "Our mother wouldn’t speak to us. She would just walk and walk, much faster than we could. I think she wanted to lose us in the shadowy labyrinth of tall trees. [...] we always found our mom. She was at the same old tree, leaving flowers at the base of its giant trunk. And we would hike home. I don’t remember who the flowers were for. Maybe she never said."

That's as plain as it gets. She abandoned them, consumed in her grief and her anger. And, as we learn in Ghost Stories, she never recovered.

There's also the oracle element, however. And the Mirrors. That's weird, right? The prophecy that Cecil would die, and it would involve a mirror? Is this real? Is this an element of her mental deterioration? I can't say for certain. I hope it's not, I don't want cecil to die by murder.

And the trees. God, the trees. The trees are fucking everywhere and this isn't necessarily an unanswered question, more of a thematic element I want to draw more attention to.

Cause we have all the drawings of trees in 245, and we have 182.

But then there's episode 132, "Bedtime Story."

And this is a DOOZY. This is a story Cecil's mother used to tell him (Not Abby?) meaning that:

there were times she did managed to be somewhat motherly, although perhaps this was influenced by her weird oracular relationship with him

she told him. A bedtime story. About a little boy who felt neglected by his family, so he went out and dug into the mud and turned into A TREE.

I just want you to really take that in. This little boy felt neglected by his family, so he turned into a tree and eventually grew to abandon his humanity to the point where he could no longer recognize or comprehend the passing of his own family.

"And then my mother would pat my head and say: "Good night, Cecil. Good night." Or so I imagined. By then, I was long asleep." Cecil's mom... probably didn't do that. But he imagined she did.

I've lost the spoons to write out a shitton of analysis but I haven't seen anyone bring up Bedtime Story in reference to ep 246 and I think they really should

Also something something "What would be worse than death? Living long enough to stop being a human" "Oh Cecil is... way older than he knows isn't he...."

#i have so many feelings y'all #this is one of my favorite plot threads in the entire show #wtnv spoilers #wtnv 246 #wtnv #cecil gershwin palmer #abby palmer

[agnes-come-back-challenge]

like okokokok there is SO MUCH to unpack here

ABBY????

CECIL GOT D E S C R I B E D ?

It Sticks With You

Cecil FINALLY getting called out for how he treated Steve?

"The faces of children are ghosts"??

AND THE ABBY/CECIL CHILDHOOD STORY????

#this episode had it ALL istg #wtnv #welcome to night vale #wtnv spoilers #welcome to night vale spoilers #wtnv 246 #a story about him

[go-to-the-mirror]

also i've seen one person say like "perhaps we'll get a redemption of cecil and abby's mom" and i think... maybe we'll just get an explanation?

whatever caused her to be unable/unwilling to look after her children can explain it. but it doesn't excuse it. it doesn't make it alright. we already know she wasn't okay, cecil, for example, says in ghost stories,

She’s lost many battles to herself. Alcohol, debt, and lack of treatment or even awareness of a mental illness.

this doesn't make it better, though. she isn't a good mom because there were extenuating circumstances. it doesn't make abby or cecil any less traumatised.

maybe she was fucked up by their father, maybe she couldn't look at them without seeing him, maybe. probably. but that doesn't make her redeemed. it makes her a person. it makes her a person who fucked up her kids, and was fucked up herself.

i really love the way wtnv is handling cecil and abby's family. i think it's done really well, especially this newest episode.

#yeahg #my lonely rambles #wtnv #wtnv ghost stories #<- not shutting up abt that btw #wtnv 246 #<- not shutting up about that either