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"Finally, there is no doer and no thing done, only the doing. No experiencer and no experience, only the experiencing. And that is what Consciousness is **'Consciousness doesn't do anything; it is everything.** It is all thoroughly and completely impersonal, both in terms of there being any person here as a 'me' and in terms of there being any divine person. This is the essence of non-duality. There is only All That Is. That is what I Am. There is nothing other than this, either a 'me' here or a 'god' somewhere else. All is I. Here, listen to Wei Wu Wei: "All said and done: Everything is I and I am no thing. All phenomena are objective manifestations. What I am objectively is the totality of phenomenal manifestation. What I am subjectively is all that all phenomena are. Nothing personal about it anywhere or at any stage. The personal notion is not inherent and is the whole trouble!

Perfect-Brilliant-Stillness by David Carse

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CS Lewis on rhetoric:

First, as to Manipulation. I do not think (and no great civilization has ever thought) that the art of the rhetorician is necessarily vile. It is in itself noble, though of course, like most arts, it can be wickedly used. I do not think that Rhe­toric and Poetry are distinguished by manipulation of an audience in the one and, in the other, a pure self expression, regarded as its own end, and indifferent to any audience. Both these arts, in my opinion, definitely aim at doing something to an audience. And both do it by using language to control what already exists in our minds. The differentia of Rhetoric is that it wishes to produce in our minds some practical resolve (to condemn Warren Hastings or to declare war on Philip) and it does this by calling the passions to the aid of reason. It is honestly practised when the orator honestly believes that the thing which he calls the passions to support is reason, and use­ fully practised when this belief of his is in fact correct. It is mischievously practised when that which he summons the passions to aid is, in fact, unreason, and dishonestly practised when he himself knows that it is unreason. The proper use is lawful and necessary because, as Aristotle points out, intellect of itself 'moves nothing': the transition from thinking to doing, in nearly all men at nearly all moments, needs to be assisted by appropriate states of feeling.

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Morning Gang! Gonna start reading for the alchemy section today! I'll still be around to answer questions.

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Empath

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human beings love to be like 'heres a thing with a finite number of variations' & then sort it into categories. & theyre always wrong. everything is multitudinous & unfathomable & theres nothing you can do about it. but the human desire to make sense of the universe is also boundless & inexorable & theres nothing you can do about that either.

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In 1909, the biologist Jakob von Uexküll noted that every animal exists in its own unique perceptual world — a smorgasbord of sights, smells, sounds and textures that it can sense but that other species might not. These stimuli defined what von Uexküll called the Umwelt — an animal’s bespoke sliver of reality. A tick’s Umwelt is limited to the touch of hair, the odor that emanates from skin and the heat of warm blood. A human’s Umwelt is far wider but doesn’t include the electric fields that sharks and platypuses are privy to, the infrared radiation that rattlesnakes and vampire bats track or the ultraviolet light that most sighted animals can see.

The Umwelt concept is one of the most profound and beautiful in biology. It tells us that the all-encompassing nature of our subjective experience is an illusion, and that we sense just a small fraction of what there is to sense. It hints at flickers of the magnificent in the mundane, and the extraordinary in the ordinary. And it is almost antidramatic: It reveals that frogs, snakes, ticks and other animals can be doing extraordinary things even when they seem to be doing nothing at all.

~ Ed Yong, NY Times Opinion, 6-21-22

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I think I have this anxiety in which I am cognizant of the fact that I am very adept with words, and that this creates the illusion of very precise communication with people, or a sort of shared space of playful ambiguities but there is no such understanding. Instead I often find people confess that they have no idea what I'm talking about and that they want me to clarify or to say something in a simpler way. But the deeper worry is about the appearance of agreement or shared sentiment, and that in spite of weaving this interlacing mess of sentences I am becoming no closer to someone, that within the winding of their ear canal that sliver of soul hiding in my words has been transformed into something unrecognizable -- dazzling, corroded, iridescent, grotesque, dull, shimmering, fractured, whole, and all the same sharing in deformity.

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magic squares are fun because some books on them are like

and other books on them are like

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I’d divorce him too lmao

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“Even if [something] should be comprehended it cannot be expressed to another. For if things-that-are are visible and audible and generally perceptible and in fact are external objects, and of these the visible are comprehended by vision and the audible by hearing and not vice versa, how can these be communicated to another? For that by which we communicate is speech, but words are not the objects, the things-that-are. Therefore it is not the case that we communicate things-that-are to our neighbors, but words, which are different from the objects.”

— Gorgias, Fragments, B3

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She’s actually Delta quadra if you think about Stratievskaya’s quadral fears.... #clipped wings

Maleficent - ESI (ISFj)

Gamma Quadra: The Quadra who fears “tied hands” (Stratiyevskaya)

In Gamma Quadra, independence and the freedom to act are of absolute importance.  They value hard work and want to achieve things by their own merit.  Gamma types hate having to ask others for help.  When Maleficent’s wings were stolen from her, it was a double blow to her Gamma values.  Not only was she betrayed by someone she trusted, but she became dependent on some else (Diaval) and was no longer able to do the work of protecting her kingdom.  According to Stratiyevskaya, one of the ways Gamma may fall into despair is “when they are unable to respond with a decisive and immediate action to an inflicted offense.” (the16types.info)  The betrayal and loss of freedom changed Maleficent into a villain.

IJ type: “An IJ draws inner stability from a stable reality, especially as seen through his leading function. That makes him confident that things will probably remain as they are despite what he sees as minor disturbances; periods of clear upheaval are very disturbing and the individual is anxious that things will “settle down” one way or the other soon enough.” (sociotype.com) Maintaining order and protecting the land were of primary importance to Maleficent. She made sure traditions and laws were upheld and took comfort from stability.

Temperament: Phlegmatic - “Phlegmatic people are sociotypes who are calm both externally and internally. It is the most balanced of all temperaments. Introverted rationality makes them reserved and closed, not distracted by external irritants. This does not mean at all that the phlegmatic person is not able to flare up. It just takes a lot of effort to bring it to this state.“ (socionic.ru) In outward appearance, Maleficent appeared calm and in control. She was not distracted by what was happening outside of herself, nor did it phase her.

Lead function: Fi (4D, Valued)

The entire movie ‘Maleficent’ centers around Fi.  Maleficent is betrayed and her bond with Stefan is broken, causing her to take revenge and act against his daughter Aurora.  However, unexpectedly, she develops a new bond with Aurora, which ultimately ends up redeeming her.  Maleficent’s Fi is in the lead position, and she filters her perspectives through it.  Throughout the movie, her behavior is dictated not by logic, but rather, by her personal feelings toward someone.  For example, Maleficent was hurt by Stefan, but instead of directly attacking him, which would have been the logical choice, she chooses to curse his daughter because she knows it will cause him more pain.  Additionally, she curses Aurora in a way that has personal meaning to her and reflects how her own feelings were hurt by Stefan.  She chooses to cast her into a deep sleep on her 16th birthday, and only allows her to be waken by “true love’s kiss” - exactly the age she herself was when Stefan told her he was giving her “true love’s kiss”.  Though Maleficent is at first reluctant to let herself develop a bond with Aurora, she eventually gains Maleficent’s trust, and the distance between them shortens.  To understand Maleficent, it is also helpful to remember that ESIs are negativist types.  This means that they tend to have a pessimistic view of relationships and are not eager to establish new ones. In the ESI, Fi is used to identify things they don’t like, which they then move away from (Fi-).  This can sometimes cause ESIs to be mistyped as logical types.  In contrast, EIIs are positivist types.  They have a more optimistic view of relations and use Fi to identify things they do like and move toward them (Fi+).  This positivist pattern can be seen in Aurora, who is an EII.  Aurora continually closes the distance between herself and Maleficent, which forges a new bond with her and ultimately wins her love.  Overall, the betrayal of an Fi-bond turned Maleficent into a villain.  The development of a new Fi-bond turned her into a hero.

Creative function: Se (3D, Valued)

In the beginning of the movie, we can see that Maleficent is frequently active and often flies around the Moorlands, patrolling them and seeing what is happening around her.  We also see that she serves as a strong guardian and protector of the Moorlands.  She does not go out looking for a fight and is not actively trying to gain dominance, but she does not back down from using physical force and attacking invaders when needed.  She is immersed in the present moment and is quick to act in the midst of her circumstances.

Role function: Ti (2D, Unvalued)

ESIs try to be logical and objective when examining situations (the16types.info), however, they are not easily able to do this.  The role function and lead function are opposite to each other and cannot both be “on” at the same time, which is why even when Maleficent tried to be objective, everything she did was ultimately colored by her feelings.  Her analysis of situations was ultimately driven by her lead Fi.

Vulnerable Function: Ne (1D, Unvalued)

Maleficent has difficulty believing in the potential for people to change.  Once Stefan betrays her, she no longer sees any good in him and he becomes her permanent enemy.  Her inability to consider other perspectives also makes it difficult for her to trust Aurora, and at first, she can see her no differently than she sees Stefan.  Only after consistently seeing good in Aurora does she start to trust her.  From this we can see that her view of people is based on what they have actually demonstrated to her and on what she has witnessed in reality, and she does not speculate about what they could potentially be (Se > Ne).  She also struggles to believe in possibilities that she has not seen in the real world.  For example, she rejects the possibility of true love, because it is not something that she has ever actually experienced.

Suggestive Function: Te (1D, Valued)

Without the ability to fly, Maleficent lacks knowledge about what is happening in the world around her, and this makes her insecure.  To make up for this need, she turns Diaval into a bird and uses him to gather information.  Once she has gathered enough objective facts, she uses her lead Fi function to decide what to do.  For example, when she finds out that King Stefan has had a daughter, she makes a judgment based on her personal feelings about what to do about it, and thus decides to take revenge.

Mobilizing Function: Ni (2D, Valued)

Maleficent poorly foresees the future consequences of her actions.  Because she generally acts quickly based on her emotions (Fi-Se), she is not able to predict how her actions are likely to unfold.  This is because in response to information received through Fi, ESIs are quick to take action.  Maleficent is so driven by her feelings of hatred toward Stefan that she curses Aurora without stopping to think of the consequences (and later regrets this).  According to Gulenko, when an ESI “has decided to take revenge, he can find and deal a blow to the weakest spot of his opponent” (the16types.info).  This is exactly what we see with Maleficent.  She understands that Stefan’s weakness is his newborn daughter (Fi-lead) and takes action against her in order to get back at him (Se creative).  However, due to weak Ni she does not stop and reflect on what could potentially happen as a result of this action.  She does not think about the future - she prefers to act immediately.

Ignoring Function: Fe (2D, Unvalued)

Maleficent does not pay much attention to the emotional atmosphere around her.  Though she is clearly aware of it, she ignores it in favor of her own personal feelings.  For example, when she arrives to see Aurora in Stefan’s palace, she knows that she is interrupting the overall emotional atmosphere and ignores it on purpose.  In Mistress of Evil, she ignores the emotional atmosphere when eating dinner with Philip’s family and does not make any effort to entertain them because she has decided that she does not like them (Fi).  Her convictions do not allow her to hold back on speaking unpleasant truths just for the sake of emotional harmony, and she does not shy away from conflict or confrontation (Fi-Se).

Demonstrative Function: Si (4D, Unvalued)

Maleficent is in tune with physical realities and can competently take care of them.  When Aurora is a baby, she is able to anticipate her physical needs and takes care of her.  She understands when she is hungry and feeds her, protects her, and serves as her caregiver.  She is also able to create beauty and harmony in her environment, as can be seen in the Moorlands.  However, though she is skilled in doing this, it is not her primary focus.

#socionics shitpost #maleficent spoilers

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psychopaths vs sociopaths and their development of cognitive functions

i interpret above graphic like this:

psychopath either born that way genetically or fi damaged very early.

i think fi is "natural conscience" whereas fe is "learned conscience" so fe is more cerebral. fe user will say: yes, that makes sense, therefore that's good, that's positive or that's bad, that's toxic etc. fi user just feels it's right or wrong. so that's why fi is natural conscience.

punishment, fear, stress or disapproval can not trigger anything in no natural conscience individual. he/she got rid of "core ethics" very early. ethics of society in general or ethics of parents or teachers wouldn't work.

thus he can be cool and calculating. he doesn't get triggered by emotions, he just lacks them. he won't kill you just because you called him stupid or lame or something but he will kill you if your death means profit to him. i associate this with te. not as a thumb of rule or anything but this is pragmatism and thus most compatible with extraverted thinking.

that last positive robot face is fe role in socionics. fe simulation through te. people like fe? people like smiles? people trust you then? then pragmatic thing to do is smiling and asking them how do you do and stuff.

so yeah, finally, when we go to sociopath side: what we see is somebody getting emotionally triggered and acting on it. this individual do not really want to be bad or negative or evil but at the same time he / she is too reactive. remember, he has some type of ethics but it's a vindictive, eye for an eye type of negative and reactive ethics he learned from getting bullied in school and stuff so he feels remorse after his meltdowns.

so which cognitive function would create this best, if that cogfx was very reactive? i would say fe. in which slot fe is most reactive? tertiary aka child aka mobilizing.