kaidatheghostdragon

[kaidatheghostdragon]

I like this, i was gonna say that danny straight up gave the crown to Gotham, and am happy to see that someone already implied it.

From danny's perspective, Lady Gotham is the perfect choice. As a city spirit, she already has experience managing a large population. The strength of Gotham's people is also her own strength, so she will always be connected to humanity in a way that most ghosts just aren't, even though she was never human herself.

That takes care danny's biggest concerns, namely that whoever he gave the crown to wouldnt declare war against humanity, either in retaliation of the Acts, or as a power-monger, increasing the reach of their kingdom. Gotham has a unique understanding of how the dead and the living compliment and even need each other to survive. Many ghosts forget how sacred and fragile life truly is.

On top of all that, he sees all the curses she's suffered and sacrifices she's made for her people, and recognizes that she has an iron-strong will that will never be bent. If the curses didnt leave her in despair or twist her with corruption, the weight of the crown wont either.

Danny sticks around mostly in self-interest. He needs to make sure that giving the crown to gotham wasnt a mistake, and be in a position to take it back at a moment's notice if gotham fails in her new duty. Danny does not want the crown, but it was his for a short while, so he will watch over it and make sure that it never falls into the hands of another tyrant.

Lady Gotham: Ghost King

...so I've fallen down the DP x DC rabbithole (I fell down ages ago). I've seen a lot of fics that personify Gotham. Lady Gotham and Danny interact in these stories in various ways. There are a lot of Ghost King Danny stories in this fandom.

I had a thought. What if Lady Gotham fought Danny at a weak point, or maybe caught him by surprise (since in these stories she's usually pretty weak), and she became Ghost King? Of course she could also be really powerful, but anyone fighting the Ghost King would run into trouble so I feel like it would take special circumstances for her to defeat Danny. What would her kingship do to Gotham (the city)? What would that do to the Realms?

Just a thought.

[kaidatheghostdragon]

I want a fic where danny gets to hear all of the crazy theories the batfam have about him, and this is a perfect scenario for it.

They've dealt with time travel, alternate dimensions, clones, secret affairs, magic, shapeshifters, greek gods, metas, psychic powers, aliens, you name it. Danny is overhearing them list all these possibilities and systematically logic their way through which order to investigate each of them, if any of them cant be discounted off the bat, and what evidence is needed and how difficult it would be to obtain that evidence to discount or prove each and every option.

Like, danny has dealt with nearly all of these scenarios too, so its not like he thinks their crazy, its just hilarious to overhear (and a bit terrifying - the bats are ruthlessly efficient in wittling down the list of possibilities).

Danny can't wait to see their faces when he tells them that all of those theories are wrong - he just got adopted by the ghosts of Nightwing's parents, is all.

To Danny, this is perfectly normal. To the bats, nobody's ever considered the possibility of adoption from beyond the grave. It's going on The List of scenarios they have to investigate every time something new happens, now. (Everyone is groaning because the list is already sooooo long.)

The first time Danny sees Dick Grayson he calls him Tata.

Danny, in his Ghost Zone travels, befriended the Flying Graysons. John and Mary like him so much, that it started as a joke, sort of.

"Ahhhhh, the son we never had! Welcome!"

"My little Robin's long lost little brother, come, come!"

And it morphed into him jokingly calling them Tata and Daj. Then it wasn't really a joke anymore.

Then the Observants inform him that as far as Ghost Law is concerned, they're his Ghost Guardians.

This means that Danny has two sets of parents; Jack and Maddie on the human side of things, and John and Mary on the ghost side of thing.

So when he sees Dick Grayson, who looks a lot like John, it just slips out.

This leads to a very awkward stare off in the middle of a coffee shop.

Danny has no idea how to explain himself.

[kaidatheghostdragon]

Im so upset. I've written TWO replies to this already. First got lost because my phone did a funky, and I hit post on the second attempt, but I dont think it actually got published?

I got way into floating island logistics. Let me know if you don't see the other reply and want me to try to rewrite it AGAIN.

Also, I'm terrible at acronyms and was really proud of myself for coming up with APPS - Amity Park Preservation Squad. Basically, the specialized taskforce that AP would create to train up and send out employees to critical logistical lynchpins to make sure Amity Park isn't entirely forgotten.

Why doesn't the justice league know about Amity Park?

Okay so it's been a bit sonce I watched the show but one of the things in DpxDC is the anti-ecto acts, which I love, but correct me if I'm wrong, I THINK ??? they only show up in reality trip? SO: What if Danny, when using the gauntlet to undo everything, also got rid of the Anti-Ecto acts? but this is babys first time editing reality so he uh Fucks Up A Lil'. As a result when Danny used the reality gauntlet to wipe the AEA from existence he accidentally wiped Amity Park from perception. A big 'nothing matters over here' jedi mind trick, and now no ones looking at Amity. So, the Justice League actually WERE looking into and monitoring the situation in Amity, but when the perception filter closed them off, all of that suddenly went ignored.

This is noticed when someone (Alfred, Dick, Tim, literally anyone) realises theres just. A BIG dusty pile of case files semi abandoned somewhere in the cave when going through a (time period)ly cave cleaning.

They put it down because it's Not Important.

They come back to finish the cleaning the next day and do the exact same thing, but there's nothing to actually distract them this time and it pings as weird. Because why would case files be not important? They are by definition important, because only things flagged as important go into case files.

They try to get someone else to read it, because as long as they don't read the information in the file, they don't put it down.

That person goes to read it, gets a line in and then says something like 'that isn't important' and goes to leave. Person A pushes it and person B ALSO catches on.

Que the Batfam trying to figure out hey, what the fuck actually?

Meanwhile, how is Amity fairing? Canon compliant everything's going alright? Or have knock on effects to No One Look Here started to show?

[kaidatheghostdragon]

Ok but jason *thinks* danny is triggered because envy or something. No, danny's just having crisis. He is *way too young* to be in any situation where he realizes he has a thing for anybody who can competently care for his child.

Goddamn he's barely 18 and he's having a midlife crisis already. It doesnt help that jason checks all the other boxes that danny is already aware of, those being: a protector slash vigilante, dead or dead adjacent, and able to break danny's spine in one fell motion.

And its not like dani is his *child.* They tried it once, and it was weird. They're a lot more comfortable with danny being dani's jazz. They even have the same age gap - well, they *did*, dani seems to be stuck at 12 while danny kept aging. (Frostbite said not to worry about it, as she appears to be reasonably stable otherwise. Danny still lays awake at night and worries.)

Dani, tired and with her powers acting up, is cornered in an alley in Gotham by a couple of thugs. She lies to get out of the situation. It works...far better than she expected.

"Come at me if you're willing to deal with my dad!"

"...Okay kid, I'll bite. Who's yer dad?"

"The Red Hood you big dumb butt."

"That's cute. Listen, kid, you can't just lie about something like-"

"-And who the fuck said she was lying?" Comes a mechanical rasp from the fire escape above them.

Dani isn't sure how it got from the Red Hood beating the shit out of those thugs to her being in one of the Red Hood's safehouses, eating some of the best food she's had in forever.

Or; Jason may or may not have a Bruce situation on his hands, what with this random kid saying she's his. Chances are, she was lying. He doesn't really care if she really is his biological kid or not, he's keeping her.

#i left the reason for dani not aging deliberately vague #could be her clone status means she's eternally 12 #or she chronological age needs to catch up to her biological age #or she's more ghost than danny and will never age #or its all dependent on her frame of mind and she'll start growing when she decides she wants to #or some other option idk #and im imagining jason is 2 or 3 years older than danny too #he's got some experience under his belt #his situation is reasonable stable and reached a status quo #and he's figured out maybe 60% of his shit and has a cordial if not friendly relationship to the other bats #but thats just my headcannon for this prompt

[kaidatheghostdragon]

Would Danny's heart rate immediately drop, or would it take a few minutes? Either way, the bats are already assuming he's a meta, so they would be watching closely until his vitals stabilized, and once they're stable, assume that's closer to his normal than whatever the belt was doing.

The Fenton's might be the experts of their field, but the moment the bats understood that they were harming their own son, all of that expertise is getting thrown out the window. Finding that they've declared ghosts to be nonsentient? More fuel to the fire to burn down their life's work.

Danny was in *pain,* and the first few minutes after the belt was taken off? Incoherent babbling about how his parents were going to tear him apart if their *treatment* didnt *fix* him, and how their going to target the bats for 'being manipulated into helping a ghost', and wouldnt rest until they hunted Danny back down, on and on. Clearly, his parents are both delusional and extremely dangerous.

If Jazz was institutionalized, they're gonna find that so fast once they get Danny out and start a proper investigation. Danny is gonna for sure mention her if they don't. He might be paranoid, but the bats literally just saved him and then deferred to him as the defacto expert of his own health (the only reasonable option for closet-metas until a thorough doctor's exam can be done, which Danny is understandably terrified of - they arent gonna force it, unless he crashes, for a few weeks while they're still gaining trust). He's getting his sister out come hell or high water.

Institutionalizing their daughter is definitely gonna add to the Fentons' criminal charges, and the Waynes (cause lets be real here they are totally adopting both kids at this point) will be behind her to legally and financially support her dreams. Regardless of being vindicated, I'd imagine having that record is gonna really make going to school and entering the medical field extremely difficult, but it segues very nicely into Jazz being a staunch supporter of mental health reform. She's been on the other side and now has experience to know exactly what needs to be changed.

That members of the bat fam are affected by varying amounts by the deflector is definitely gonna be a puzzle. The fact that Danny immediately has an explanation is gonna really cinch that he's more of an expert than his parents. Maybe they go back to the Fentons to hear their explanation, but the Fentons are gonna be saying things to the effect of 'you need to be decontaminated, clearly one of your members has been replaced by a malicious ghost and they are controlling you.'

Jason is clearly the most affected, and they *know* he died and came back. Even at his worst, his most manipulative behaviors were an attempt at forcing a sadistic choice on Bruce and beating the snot out of Tim. No weird mind whammy stuff that the Fentons are implying.

And Danny, at this point, has latched onto Jason for being the most similar to him. The Waynes have another liminal/potential halfa in their family! It might be messed up, but for his own safety, he may have implied that if they turned on him, they could turn on Jason, and attached himself to Jason so that if Danny goes down, Jason goes with him. It's not a healthy response, but he's just trying to survive, and the Waynes all recognize that.

Also, Jason is weirdly calmer around Danny. Mind-whammy concerns would pop up again, but Jason is gonna beat that concern down with a tire iron. The pit rage is the mind whammy, removing it is a *cure,* not a concern, and Danny has been very open about any information that might affect Jason, even as he closes off about himself, to the point that a lot of what they have learned about Danny is because he gave up the information for Jason's sake despite clearly being uncomfortable about sharing. Danny doesn't have all the answers, but what he has explained has answered many of the questions that the bats have been asking about Jason for *years.*

DC X DP PROMPT #20

Danny has been captured by parents who thought that they could 'fix' him. They thought he was possessed.

Their fix? Capping all emotions. It wasn't a lobotomy per se, but it was quite close to it. The Fenton's know this isn't a long-term fix, they are looking for something more permanent. Which is what led them to a Wayne Charity Gala in the first place. The Drs. Fenton are seeking funds to make a mirical cure for their obviously sick son. No, they can't tell you more about it (not here at least). If you want to find out more you can donate and come to their next seminar.

Danny is sickly and devoid of all emotions, this sets off some red flags for the bats, regardless of what the boys parents are saying.

[kaidatheghostdragon]

I saw erratic heartbeat and immediately thought that if the pain raises his heartbeat to a 'normal' level, the fentons would consider that an improvement, which is all sorts of messed up.

Where is jazz during this? Cause she would absolutely be screaming at her parents about how their solution to 'fix' danny is causing him pain, and then their solution to the pain... is to prevent him from being able to speak out about it.

If their trying to get funding to cure their son but refuse to share more information, the bats are gonna snoop and find Danny to see him in person before making any assumptions. I mean, they're at a Wayne Charity Gala, making a scene, the bats are going to investigate, period.

When they find Danny, with all those physical signs of pain, Cass (and lets be honest, every other bat too) would be able to see that whatever their doing to danny is clearly hurting him more.

And maybe the current only carries over if the person is also liminal, so it shocks some/most/all of the bats, too. Now they know he's being perpetually electrocuted.

They've all seen metatrafficking and poor reactions to metas coming out before, so they would treat this the same and get danny out of there so fast the fentons' heads would spin.

They asked for help for their son, and they'll get that help... for their son. They're gonna find *themselves* rotting in a cell in the meantime, possibly before the gala has even ended.

DC X DP PROMPT #20

Danny has been captured by parents who thought that they could 'fix' him. They thought he was possessed.

Their fix? Capping all emotions. It wasn't a lobotomy per se, but it was quite close to it. The Fenton's know this isn't a long-term fix, they are looking for something more permanent. Which is what led them to a Wayne Charity Gala in the first place. The Drs. Fenton are seeking funds to make a mirical cure for their obviously sick son. No, they can't tell you more about it (not here at least). If you want to find out more you can donate and come to their next seminar.

Danny is sickly and devoid of all emotions, this sets off some red flags for the bats, regardless of what the boys parents are saying.

[kaidatheghostdragon]

I didnt even think of that! You're so right!

Would be hilarious is bruce digs in to investigate vlad, and *this* is what clues him in that vlad is a creep, instead of the kidnappings.

Just imagine, if danny got kidnapped by vlad four times this week alone (and it's tuesday), then vlad has likely kidnapped danny *easily* into the triple digits by now, possibly even quadruple. Only the most egregious ones get put on danny's list of grievances because he'd spend more time documenting vlad's abuses than suffering them if he tried to be exhaustive.

So bruce is investigate vlad, finds his secret lab, all his spyware and experiments, the cloning files, that vlad is a meta using his powers for illegal monetary gain, is the supervillian of a teen hero, it just keeps going on and on and on.

Vlad gets arrested (thanks vlad for creating the tech to neutralise yourself), danny gets called as a witness, and the judge asks for dannys testimony and he pulls out this ratty old notebook that is filled with danny's complaints right out of his own chest. He turns to the first page.

"Page one, line one, stole my dna and cloned me. Line two, kidnapped and tortured me to try to stabilize one (1) clone. Line three, all clones died except for one (which was not the preferred one). Line four, attempted murder of the surviving clone. Line five, infected my sister with nanobots. Line six, forced my sister and i to fight to the death (we both escaped). Line seven, released spy cams into my home. Line eight, gave weapons to a minor and convinced her to hunt me. Line nine, controlled the employment of said minor's parent to blackmail her. Line ten, attempted to murder my dad. Line eleven, hijacked a plane that my mom and i were commuting in. Line twelve, experimented on wild animals. Line thirteen, released those wild animals to attack me..."

And this goes on and on and on until they get to the point where danny gives up documenting everything, and each line is just the date and reason of another kidnapping attempt. Some dates have the word 'twice' scratched into the margin space next to them.

3/4 of the notebook is just documented kidnapping attempts. The judge is appalled. Vlad gets the book thrown at him. Jason was there to witness it (supporting danny, idk how they met but they did) and swears on his grave that he will never complain about Bruce's subpar parenting ever again. Holy shit, what a fucking nightmare!

Danny is about to be kidnapped in Gotham This is not a good time.

He's studying for the SAT, he's already been kidnapped by Vlad like, four times that week and it was a fucking Tuesday, he forgot his wallet at his new apartment, locked himself out of said new apartment (he could phase through the door but that wasn't the point), he's just been informed that the grant he applied for was denied so he needs to ask his mom and dad for college funds when he'd already told them he had it covered, and just...it was shit.

It had been shit. The entire week had been awful and annoying and he was ready to either murder everyone on the planet or go find a corner to cry in for the next three days.

So when the band of wild goons working for whatever villain of the week pulled up and tried to kidnap him, he snapped.

He used them to vent.

Shouted about how terrible his day had been, how terrible his week had been, how he'd already been kidnapped by his creepy godfather who was way too into him, how college funding was shit and the grant system was rigged, and how he'd have to call a locksmith or break down the door to his own apartment if he wanted to go to bed-all of it. He unloaded all of his frustration.

The goons actually backed off.

One of them gave him an awkward side hug and told him it'd get better.

Danny wasn't paying attention to his surrounding. He doesn't realize that the whole thing was livestreamed.

So when he gets home to his apartment later that day, his door is opened for him by the vigilante Spoiler before he can even turn intangible.

She brought over BatBurger and kidnapped Bruce Wayne, Gotham's bumbling Prince, to talk about college grants.

#omg i could keep going with the list and i wasnt even trying to be thorough #all of those are canon btw

[kaidatheghostdragon]

I did it. I posted a thing.

(Social anxiety intensifies)

Hmmmm

Hmmmmm

So we know during the time Tim lost in spleen (his Red Robin run) and wakes ups next to the pit he almost believed he had been tossed in the Lazarus Pits.

What if

Now hear me out.

What if he actually was.

But what if instead of gaining Pit Madness, he unlocked his past life memories.

His memories of being Daniel 'Danny' Fenton and Danny Phantom.

And once the memories returned so did his ghost form and powers.

And as Tim sits at the bottom of the pits, crossing his legs and letting all his memories slide back into place he questioned what to do now. He pondered for a moment and hummed tapping a finger to his chin.

Maybe he'll play the Pit Madness card? After all Ra's chucked him in here to either turn him into a mindless rage machine he could manipulate or see what the Pits would do to a mind like Tim's. Or Tim could pretend to be a silent rage, a calm before the storm.

Well, Tim grinned his eyes glowing green as he stared at the surface of the Lazarus waters above him, he was very good at lying this life time around. After all he was Tim 'I can even lie to Batman and get away with it' Drake-Wayne and he did used to be Danny 'Commit to the bit' Fenton/Phantom.

He was going to have fun playing that fruitloop named Ra's like the cheap kazoo he was.

[kaidatheghostdragon]

All of this is getting recorded on the helmet cam, so jason is eventually assured that tucker did just save his life. He saves the clip of tucker freaking out over realizing he kidnapped a crime lord. (Babs already saved the whole thing because all of it is absolute gold.)

Also, all the batfam's eyes drift to the obvious wayne bait, but the nerd of the trio is actually the bat guano crazy one. Danny summed it up well in the very first episode - "How is it that I'm half ghost, but you're the weird kid?" (To be fair, the entire trio is crazy.)

REVERSE TROPE WRITING PROMPT BY @out-of-jams

ACCIDENTALLY KIDNAPPING A MAFIA BOSS

In Tucker's defense, he thought he was doing someone a favor. A life saving favor, in fact.

"What the fuck-!” The red helmeted guy yelped as a deceptively strong Tucker yanked him onto the bike and sped away. Before Tucker could explain, the GIW agents behind them got in a lucky shot and hit the helmeted liminal with a strong blast to the head.

Clearly, his gear wasn’t equipped with anti-ecto protections, because the guy slumped over on Tucker’s arms. This was bad, because Tucker now had to maneuver about 230 pounds of Gotham muscle while speeding away from government agents. He flicked on the jammer so they couldn’t track his and red helmets’s ecto signature.

“STOP!”

“Ah, shit.” Tucker cursed as he somehow managed to gather up red-helmet’s body and stabilize the bike. “C’mon, Tuck, you can do this.”

Blasts of anti-ecto tech slammed into buildings around him. Luckily, Gotham was used to this kind of shit so people just moved out of the way before going back to their day. Tucker wove around traffic, trying to lure the agents into slamming face first into some signposts.

“Stop damaging the local infrastructure!” Tucker yelled back at them, speeding up.

“WELL REIMBURSE THE PEOPLE AND THE CITY LATER! TELL US WHERE PHANTOM IS!!”

“Over my dead body, you jerks!” Tucker took a sharp right, catching red helmet before the man could slip off. He sped up and took the ramp downwards, heart beating loudly in his ears as he strained his senses to figure out- ah, they took the ramp upwards. Good. Now, all he has to do is bring red helmet back to home base.

“Oh my god. I kidnapped him,” Tucker groaned, slapping at his face before quickly placing his hands back on the handle bar once the bike teetered over with red helmet’s weight. “I’m a criminal. Oh my god.”

Then, as he found his way back, “…Well, it’s not like I wasn’t a criminal before, with the whole resisting arrest thing.”

——

Tucker dumped the red helmet liminal onto the couch of their shared apartment and went to take a shower. When he got out ten minutes later, he found Danny and Sam staring at the helmet guy. Tucker pushed up his glasses (after letting them defog from the shower) and greeted them.

“Hey, guys! I found him while I was running away from Agent L and J.”

“You okay?” Danny asked, eyes immediately flicking over Tucker for injuries.

“Yeah, I’m good. They’re horrible shots.”

“I thought Danny was the one who brought home strays but you…?” Sam commented, arms crossed and a purple painted nail tapping at her arm. “Wait. Isn’t this… that crime lord? What was his name?”

“Red Hood?” Danny offered, turning back to look at the guy on their couch.

Tucker paled. “Oh, no.”

Guns? Check.

Red Helmet? Check.

Bat-Symbol? Check.

Shit.

They collectively stared at the guy in silence.

“…Tucker,” Sam slowly said. “Did you accidentally kidnap a crime lord?”

“Hey, I didn’t want him to get killed! He’s liminal! Even more than us, except for Danny.” Tucker grumbled. “Man, this is why I leave the hero-ing to Danny. I do one good thing and suddenly I have a crime lord on my couch.”

“My couch,” Sam corrected, as she was the one that furnished their apartment.

“What do we do now?”

“Eat dinner,” Tucker said. “I’m famished.”

Sam nodded. “Wait for him to wake up and hope he doesn’t shoot us the moment he wakes up. Then, we explain.”

Danny grabbed all the visible guns he could see. Tucker went to start dinner. Sam supervised, because her boys were idiots and now she had a crime lord in her apartment.

——

Jason groaned, head swimming in a sea of dull throbbing pain as his eyes fluttered open.

Then he remembered he was abducted, and bolted up right. He paused as a series of quick observations made its way to his consciousness.

One. He’s not tied up. Weird, because everyone knows that he’s a weapon even without his weapons.

Two. His weapons were right there, just in reach.

Three. He was surrounded by teenagers and/or young adults who were all scrolling along on their phones.

“Oh, hey, he’s awake! Hi!” The Wayne bait said, electric blue eyes fixing itself on Jason. “Were you aware you died?”

Jason went rigid, hundreds of way to-

“Danny!” A scolding tone cut of Jason’s immediate panic. Two couch pillows slammed into Danny’s face, courtesy of goth girl and nerdy but strong.

“Dude, why do you start with that? Why are you like this?” His… possible kidnapper? asked, exasperatedly flinging his hands into the air as he rolled his eyes.

Goth girl scowled. “Boys. Crime lord, couch, remember?”

“Hey, in my defense, I died too!”

And that- as Jason remained dumbfounded in this circle of tomfoolery- was what snapped Jason out of his daze.

“You what?” He rasped out.

And when he saw them open their mouths at the same time, Jason just knew his headache was going worse.

——

Tucker, effortlessly plucking the actual red hood from the streets: and I whoop-

Jason, whose type is strong, nerdy, and tall: *heart eyes* *but not really because he’s unconscious*

——

Sam: “this is my boyfriend Danny and our other boyfriend Tucker.”

Jason enters chat:

Sam: “this is my boyfriend Danny and our other boyfriend Tucker and his boyfriend, the Red Hood.”

——

#jason x tucker is something i didnt know i needed

[kaidatheghostdragon]

I actually have a half-written idea very similar to this!

The team was captured by the giw and experimented on until it killed them, but tucker always reincarnates and has been for thousands of years. Difference this time is that he's extremely liminal and was able to share it through the fraid bonds so they could escape.

Tim is danny, barb is jazz, cass is sam, duke is tucker, stephanie is ellie, and valerie didnt die, so she still protects amity park. They all had vague memories of a past life, and on meeting each other for the first time, the fraid bonds snap back into place and they recognize each other. They are also still liminal and have limited access to their powers.

Sam/cass runs away before killing the dude and goes straight to amity park to find valerie. The rest mostly congregate as bats like canon.

I didnt really have a plot beyond that, just the set up. If i remember and have time tomorrow, maybe ill share what i already wrote? But i also dont want to derail your original prompt...

Hmmmm

Hmmmmm

So we know during the time Tim lost in spleen (his Red Robin run) and wakes ups next to the pit he almost believed he had been tossed in the Lazarus Pits.

What if

Now hear me out.

What if he actually was.

But what if instead of gaining Pit Madness, he unlocked his past life memories.

His memories of being Daniel 'Danny' Fenton and Danny Phantom.

And once the memories returned so did his ghost form and powers.

And as Tim sits at the bottom of the pits, crossing his legs and letting all his memories slide back into place he questioned what to do now. He pondered for a moment and hummed tapping a finger to his chin.

Maybe he'll play the Pit Madness card? After all Ra's chucked him in here to either turn him into a mindless rage machine he could manipulate or see what the Pits would do to a mind like Tim's. Or Tim could pretend to be a silent rage, a calm before the storm.

Well, Tim grinned his eyes glowing green as he stared at the surface of the Lazarus waters above him, he was very good at lying this life time around. After all he was Tim 'I can even lie to Batman and get away with it' Drake-Wayne and he did used to be Danny 'Commit to the bit' Fenton/Phantom.

He was going to have fun playing that fruitloop named Ra's like the cheap kazoo he was.

#also in your prompt it would be hilarious if jason is a reincarnated dan #like no wonder he was trying to kill tim #they become best buds after tim remembers enough to cure the pit rage #the rest of the bats are very confused #does bruce have contingencies for one of the bats remembering a past life? #if he does then tim knows what it is and is gonna screw with him so much #omg what if bruce is jack? #maddie is selena maybe? or talia? idk #barb is def jazz #honestly you good go with all of the reincarnations from my idea if you want #but maybe someone else wants to rearrange them?

[kaidatheghostdragon]

Vlad is gonna be so upset when he finds out that brucie wayne upstaged him to help out danny. Honestly, danny should be *thanking* him for stressing danny out so much that he vented on a livestream and got financial support.

Seriously though, i love any characterization of vlad where all of his problems are self-inflicted. Literally all he had to do was be nice and help danny out, but he fucks it up literally every time. Meanwhile, this stranger won over danny by simply giving without any strings attached.

Vlad, throwing a hissy fit: Seriously, Daniel! What does that air-headed baffoon have that I don't?!

Danny: Basic human decency. Kindness. My appreciation. A distinct lack of narcissism. No history of kidnapping me. Respects boundaries. Didn't make demands. Need I go on?

Danny is about to be kidnapped in Gotham This is not a good time.

He's studying for the SAT, he's already been kidnapped by Vlad like, four times that week and it was a fucking Tuesday, he forgot his wallet at his new apartment, locked himself out of said new apartment (he could phase through the door but that wasn't the point), he's just been informed that the grant he applied for was denied so he needs to ask his mom and dad for college funds when he'd already told them he had it covered, and just...it was shit.

It had been shit. The entire week had been awful and annoying and he was ready to either murder everyone on the planet or go find a corner to cry in for the next three days.

So when the band of wild goons working for whatever villain of the week pulled up and tried to kidnap him, he snapped.

He used them to vent.

Shouted about how terrible his day had been, how terrible his week had been, how he'd already been kidnapped by his creepy godfather who was way too into him, how college funding was shit and the grant system was rigged, and how he'd have to call a locksmith or break down the door to his own apartment if he wanted to go to bed-all of it. He unloaded all of his frustration.

The goons actually backed off.

One of them gave him an awkward side hug and told him it'd get better.

Danny wasn't paying attention to his surrounding. He doesn't realize that the whole thing was livestreamed.

So when he gets home to his apartment later that day, his door is opened for him by the vigilante Spoiler before he can even turn intangible.

She brought over BatBurger and kidnapped Bruce Wayne, Gotham's bumbling Prince, to talk about college grants.

#danny has A List #jazz made him create it as a theraputic excercise #its over thirty pages long #this week's kidnappings are going on The List

[kaidatheghostdragon]

Quick google map search says the round river building is a casino, lol. I absolutely love the idea of making it a research building.

The bridge between amity and elmerton was a golden gate knockoff, so the water space there is absolutely large enough. I always kinda figured the river was more of an artificial lake created by a dam downstream to account for its width, and if the beach (in attack of the killer garage sale) is along the river, then it accounts for the stillness of the water and the ability to build up a sandy beach for tourism. (Which could be an interesting point of contention if the dam operators forgot there was a city upstream that needs water AND to not be flooded. Guess another amity parker needs to be stationed there.)

I thought the foleys being dentists was universal fanon? Business debt absolutely makes sense here. Idk about dentistry specifically, but starting pretty much any business in the US is a huge money sink to get started. Specialized equipment, business license, etc, all cost money, and high taxes make it very difficult to pay off start-up debts.

Anecdote time, ive heard that an unusually high percentage of dentists in the US are mormon. Im not sure how to go about looking this up and verifying that its true, but from what i understand, one of the main dentistry schools here preferencially accepts mormons to the point they had to fight a lawsuit for discrimination. My understanding is that they won, because they were able to prove that they had found mormons to be more fiscally responsible and more likely to pay off school debts, had a higher work ethic, and caused fewer problems because they dont drink or party like typical college students do. Ie, they never actually selected for mormonism, but knowing the person was mormon was a good indicator of other traits that they did select for. Anecdote over.

Idk if tucker would be mormon specifically, but i dont think some generic christian would be out of character. It's a nice contrast to sam being canonically jewish and danny being fanonically athiest or agnostic. (His parents *certainly* dont understand the true meaning of christmas.)

As for Tucker noticing the credit card fuckery, I pretty much agree with your assessment. To me, the trio dynamics appeared to me as Sam being the Big Idea person, Tucker being the goal-oriented Executor, and Danny being the Workhorse that can Make Anything Happen.

Sam, to me, seems like she's got grand ideas but thinks too big to be able to break things down into managable steps. She's too caught in the moment and focused too much on the grand gesture of Making A Stand. Tucker seems like the expert in that regard, making schedules and managing progress. He keeps track of the minutia, makes records, and sets reasonable goals. Danny is as much along for the ride as he is the leader. He keeps Sam and Tucker focused and working together instead of competing, and is the leader in the sense that he's the tie-breaker and the strategist that puts the others to best use. But he's very much beholden to Sam's Ideas and Tucker's Management. They're all equals and pull their own weight.

I see your vision of building up and agree with your logic. After all, TUE Amity built up, presumably because they were limited by the size of the shield. In this au, once the filter is acknowledged, they might err on the side of caution. You mentioned eclipsing an interstate earlier? Perhaps they recognize that the interstate is an artificial boundary they shouldn't cross. They're also butted up against a river/lake, so thats two sides they're now blockaded. Perhaps another reason the Fenton Research Facility is on the water - it was the only place to build! (Also, if the building caught fire, they could break the foundation and submerge it before it spreads to another building? Idk, just an Idea i had.)

Sam would be a huge proponant of urban farming. There are papers suggesting that with our current technology, skyscraper hydroponic farms might be more efficient than traditional farms. My understanding is that the biggest blockade is startup costs - which we've already solved for Amity. And it provides a space to experiment with liminal cultivars!

I really like the idea of City Planner Sam, its such a logical extension of her Big Ideas personality, and years of ghost hunting with danny and tucker has tempered her to have more achievable ideas, and to defer to experts to advise on what is and isnt safe.

Also, vlad canonically made a ghost shield that also works on humans. Skulker also handcuffed danny and valerie together. Canonically, "humans are the ghosts" in the ghost zone, so i'd imagine making tech to affect both humans and ghosts is simply a matter of building it out of materials from both sides, at least in most cases. Dousing tech in ectoplasm to make it ghost proof is just one example.

Actually, the shield vlad made was blue, iirc, and i think the TUE shield was too? Did alt-future Vlad create the Amity shield, then got banished some time later? In a world where everything is being systematically destroyed by an unstoppable force, humans fighting over resources becomes just as big a threat. Strict immigration limits would also have to be ruthlessly enforced to ensure that pop growth didn't outpace its self sustainability.

Honestly, it makes perfect sense to me that Vlad would have attempted to pull a phantom planet stunt to rule the world in return for creating life-saving defenses. And he didn't have ghost powers to back up his threats, so he eventually got kicked out once someone successfully called his bluff. Valerie and her dad upkept the shields, and Damon canonically works high-tech security, so presumably, he managed to find and remove any sabatoge Vlad might have placed in his tech to keep control, or reverse engineered his own to get society out from under Vlad's thumb, before he was then thrown out to the wolves.

Lastly, ecto-contamination being purely positive. What if it isnt? What if it makes you more obsessive, but it takes years to become noticable? Amity Parkers just shrug it of as being more ghostly. Its an Obsession, capital O, now a legit quirk of psychology, and a bit of management is all you need to stay on top of it.

But outsiders, after several years of deliberately contaminating themselves and after fighting a war against the giw for their fear mongering, are suddenly worried that the giw were right all along? It has the potential to be really hilarious AND really angsty.

I mean, bodies are made for moderation. You eat a little, sleep a little, work a little, play a little, then rinse and repeat. They aren't designed to survive staying up three weeks straight, without stopping for food or rest, while you enter a fugue state hyperfocused on your current interest (to the chagrin of every autist ever). Except liminal biology actually DOES accommodate for that, at least somewhat. Society is gonna have to adjust now that people as a whole are suddenly much less able to stick to a strict schedule of work, sleep, rinse, repeat. (When everybody is autistic, nobody is. Lol.)

Why doesn't the justice league know about Amity Park?

Okay so it's been a bit sonce I watched the show but one of the things in DpxDC is the anti-ecto acts, which I love, but correct me if I'm wrong, I THINK ??? they only show up in reality trip? SO: What if Danny, when using the gauntlet to undo everything, also got rid of the Anti-Ecto acts? but this is babys first time editing reality so he uh Fucks Up A Lil'. As a result when Danny used the reality gauntlet to wipe the AEA from existence he accidentally wiped Amity Park from perception. A big 'nothing matters over here' jedi mind trick, and now no ones looking at Amity. So, the Justice League actually WERE looking into and monitoring the situation in Amity, but when the perception filter closed them off, all of that suddenly went ignored.

This is noticed when someone (Alfred, Dick, Tim, literally anyone) realises theres just. A BIG dusty pile of case files semi abandoned somewhere in the cave when going through a (time period)ly cave cleaning.

They put it down because it's Not Important.

They come back to finish the cleaning the next day and do the exact same thing, but there's nothing to actually distract them this time and it pings as weird. Because why would case files be not important? They are by definition important, because only things flagged as important go into case files.

They try to get someone else to read it, because as long as they don't read the information in the file, they don't put it down.

That person goes to read it, gets a line in and then says something like 'that isn't important' and goes to leave. Person A pushes it and person B ALSO catches on.

Que the Batfam trying to figure out hey, what the fuck actually?

Meanwhile, how is Amity fairing? Canon compliant everything's going alright? Or have knock on effects to No One Look Here started to show?

[kaidatheghostdragon]

I love all of this!

Revolutionizing emergency care with ghost powers is a topic all its own. Considering that the fentons can replicate ghost powers, they could potentially develop specialized surgical tools. Questions of ecto contamination might even fall in the same category as radiation from x-rays - sure, it's bad, but it's saving your life in the long run.

But now the question is if the giw go after the patients because they opted for the safer and much less invasive life-saving surgery. I mean, their argument is about equivalent to claiming that x-rays will turn you into a mindless zombie.

This is gonna require some serious study, and now suddenly everyone is scrutinizing the anti ecto acts because it conflicts with the revolution of new best-care surgical practices. And more study means more conflicting results. Intelligence tests indicate no change whatsoever, and people are decrying how the whole thing smells like racism anyway.

And paradoxiacally, the more ectocontaminated you are, the healthier you become. We sure this is "death juice"? Also, a pathway to superhuman abilities that doesn't rely on the genetic lottery? Yeah, this stuff is gonna get trafficked so hard. Everyone is gonna want a health boost with a side order of superpowers. GIW can't do jack shit if literally everyone is liminal. (They're sure gonna try, though.)

BUT, how does the perception filter affect the surgical revolution? This falls into the same question as to how long the perception filter lasts if Amity Park keeps growing. Does the whole "not the ghosts you're looking for" mean that ectoplasm itself is difficult to perceive? Does it get renamed and given pseudo-scientific definitions to work around the filter? How angry is Ra's when he shows up, and how paranoid is Batman, that someone turned lazarus water into a way to gain superpowers, except it was mostly just a side effect of using it to save lives?

If ghosts are immune to the filter, are liminals? We got a strange green substance that makes anyone contaminated by it perceive something that everyone else keeps forgetting. Omg, if surgeons are using these tools and getting contaminated, then spreading that contamination to their patients, is there a point when herd immunity kicks in and the filter fails for simple logic that enough of the general population is liminal?

Just the idea that if you want to find the hidden utopian city of Amity Park, you could just ask any surgeon, which is weirdly hilarious to me. Getting ecto contaminated as just a means to have access to the knowledge of this city is kind of funny too. And conspiracies that all surgeons are secretly evil begin to spread. (Oooh, they believe you must be dead to be alive, ooooh, *more spooky noises and flat-earth logic*)

And all of this is going on outside of amity, who could potentially be largely oblivious what the outside world is doing if they decided that they dont care enough to keep up on the news. The rest of the world certainly doesn't know about amity, though those investigating ecto and the giw might be immune to the filter.

I kinda see ra's attempting to take over amity park, and getting utterly trounced by danny. The assassins have nothing on liminality, and ra's is suddenly being tried for crimes against the realms.

Some of the assassins adapt to a (mostly) peaceful life in amity. (Fight tournaments are held every third wednesday of the month.)

Jason, among many, many other disenfranchised liminals throughout the dcu, is gonna feel so welcomed and relieved when he discovers amity. He's gonna use everything he finds there to help gotham's extremely large liminal population.

It's a little weird at first that the subject of Amity Park keeps slipping the rest of the bats' minds. It's clearly a mind whammy of some kind, and for some reason, he's immune? The rest of the bats have some resistance, or they would be asking the same questions every time he mentioned it, but its clear he's the only one that can investigate unhindered. This ends up being an extremely wild roller coaster of an investigation for him before returning home with ghost powers and fenton tech.

John galt is a character in the book Atlas Shrugged, which this version of Amity has a few similaries to. There's a hidden utopian village where all the nations' best inventors and engineers retreat to as the american government becomes more communist and steals their ideas and businesses and ruins the economy with poor management.

It's a very Libertarian book about how Communism is Bad, Free Market Principles are Good. "Who is John Galt?" Is a major theme in the book, and the answer to the question is supposed to be this huge revalation that america is collapsing as a civilization because they drove away the innovators and working class with laws that continually stripped them of recognition and reward for their efforts to simply improve their own lives, and squandered it with bureaucratic corruption and greed disguised as socialist ideals (that everyone benefits equally), and yet still demanding that the hardest workers work even harder to make up for their incompetence. Essentially, Atlas shrugged because he was sick of holding up an increasing ungrateful and demanding world.

Amity Park's similarities pretty much begin and end with a city full of people that were suppressed by the government and decided to use their intellect to build their own utopian paradise, cut off from the rest of the world. Danny going by john galt would be like a nod to the fact that he knows of a hidden futuristic utopian city where others facing the same kind of oppression that he suffered can retreat to and live in peace.

Why doesn't the justice league know about Amity Park?

Okay so it's been a bit sonce I watched the show but one of the things in DpxDC is the anti-ecto acts, which I love, but correct me if I'm wrong, I THINK ??? they only show up in reality trip? SO: What if Danny, when using the gauntlet to undo everything, also got rid of the Anti-Ecto acts? but this is babys first time editing reality so he uh Fucks Up A Lil'. As a result when Danny used the reality gauntlet to wipe the AEA from existence he accidentally wiped Amity Park from perception. A big 'nothing matters over here' jedi mind trick, and now no ones looking at Amity. So, the Justice League actually WERE looking into and monitoring the situation in Amity, but when the perception filter closed them off, all of that suddenly went ignored.

This is noticed when someone (Alfred, Dick, Tim, literally anyone) realises theres just. A BIG dusty pile of case files semi abandoned somewhere in the cave when going through a (time period)ly cave cleaning.

They put it down because it's Not Important.

They come back to finish the cleaning the next day and do the exact same thing, but there's nothing to actually distract them this time and it pings as weird. Because why would case files be not important? They are by definition important, because only things flagged as important go into case files.

They try to get someone else to read it, because as long as they don't read the information in the file, they don't put it down.

That person goes to read it, gets a line in and then says something like 'that isn't important' and goes to leave. Person A pushes it and person B ALSO catches on.

Que the Batfam trying to figure out hey, what the fuck actually?

Meanwhile, how is Amity fairing? Canon compliant everything's going alright? Or have knock on effects to No One Look Here started to show?

[kaidatheghostdragon]

I wanted to continue by saying that i love the idea of sam organizing everyone to use the cards to pay for improving amity park while skicking it to the credit companies. It would be a hard balance though to hurt them without destroying their source of free money, though. Sam is gonna have to learn how to not bite the hand that feeds.

And as for roundabouts, because we build out instead of up, wides streets tend to be the norm, and a single main street with local businesses like the right side of the rockford image are the hallmark of SmallTown USA. Most of these towns started as a single street, surrounded by farm or cattle land. Then another street was added for houses, then another street for government buildings now that its a proper town, etc etc. And as america is an immigrant nation, we have an extremely high growth rate, so that city planners simply just added more streets to accomadate more people.

Things are slowly changing. Roundabouts are starting to be added to help improve traffic flow, but large city centers cant just be torn down to build a round about in the center, so you only see them in new growth (the last 30 years or so).

Okay, NOW i think im done. :)

Okay this is actually a partial reply to another post

but my reply got so long i think tumblr literally cant cope LMAO so (context the Amity park perception filter thread with @kaidatheghostdragon which i will edit a link into after posting (X) Edit: the context link is now attached)

Honestly they might not CRASH crash the economy but I honestly think they could do some serious damage. At the very least if Amity is going to start essentially printing USD with these cards to get infrastructure and the like set up the inflation within the town is going to go crazy and they might just need a new currency. I think it's also determined by how LARGE you consider Amity to be. As I've always seen it described as a small town I've always envisioned it to have a population of around 10,000 people. AS IT TURNS OUT the wiki describes it as 'Amity Park is depicted as a moderately large urban city, reminiscent of Chicago, San Francisco, and/or Philadelphia' WHICH IS WAY LARGER THAN I IMAGINED. I don't know SHIT about American cities or their layouts apart from the fact that Everything Is Squares and also apparently the junctions are death(? Apparently America doesn't have roundabouts??? Bro??? I don't know if that was a Simpsons gag but I think about it maybe half as often as I use roundabouts), BUT the point is that google says those cities are somewhere around 800,000 to 2.6 million.

Honestly I think those are weird numbers because those are enough of a range to not be at all considered the same size imo but we'll take Philadelphia as our base bc that's the one in the middle at 1.5 million. In "Amity Park's" population statistics (X) if you take everyone from 20-44 (we're pretending people under 20 can't get one bc apparently 13 year olds can get them with special permissions and that fills me with a special kind of anguish to have learned) but if you take everyone from 20-44 that population totals something like 613,028.

We'll give an error margin of 10% to account for people who are auto disqualified for whatever reason and between that error margin and the people I'm ignoring I think it's realistic to assume you could get 551,726 people credit cards. Unlimited ones? maybe not. But look me in the eyes and tell me if Sam Manson was told 'We can fix the public infrastructure that's damaging the environment and cause serious damage to predatory lending companies' She would not use her families wealth to be backing people as some kind of collateral/co-signer to get OBSCENLEY high credit cards SO FAST. That's to say nothing of if Tucker and the Other Nerds decide it's actually completely fine for them to hack into these companies and auto approve all these credit cards. Like the towns in dire straights so why not? It's unfortunately a pretty human tendency to see the people you care about in trouble and decide you're willing to throw literally anyone and everyone under the bus so I can see him/them doing it.

So. 551,726 people, with theoretically unlimited money to spend. CONSERVATIVELY if they racked up $500,000 USD on each card, the amount of money spent by Amity would end up being $275,863,000,000 or $275.8 BILLION Now the GDP of the USA is $25.44 Trillion, which looks like $25,440,000,000,000 so it's not a LOT in the grand scheme of things but it is just over 1%, I'm not going to pretend I know what that does economically to the entire USA but consider that Beer sales in the USA accounted for $106 billion in 2022, and that amity would potentially be generating nearly three times that. (X) I have just gone on a fucking TANGENT about the economy in this silly fun times thread of ours so I apologise I will try and sum up very quickly why I think they could spend so much so quickly. Philadelphia has a total of 37 hospitals. They built a new one sometime around 2021 to the tune of $1.6 billion (X) If Amity built a new hospital for liminality care and a few new ones Just Because They Realised They Can, say they build ten new hospitals, which is a VERY LARGE amount of new hospitals to build on workforce Alone, but they probably have tireless ghost workers who are probably obsessed with construction and regular living workers who want to be paid in the times before everyone had acclimated to the ghosts properly. Split among 551,726 people that's actually a fairly reasonable $28,999.90, which, hilariously, is actually just in and around the average limit to credit cards. So they wouldn't even need Sam or Tucker to mess with credit cards yet (X) Averages typically suck as a way of measuring stuff but this isn't a Real Life Government Project so I'm willing to call that acceptable. So if it's only $30k for ten hospitals why the hell am I citing a fat $500k each? Luxury Shit. A few luxury cars and some big name watches and you've blown through that $500k no problem. That's to say nothing of all the REST of the infrastructure that needs fixing - the roads, the schools, the libraries, the replacement materials for the transport system - hell building the APDC is going to probably be another billion dollar project if they want two portals large enough to get what is probably multilane traffic through in regards to transport. Sure the cars won't be useful for long maybe but that's just one example. Jewellery, coats - hell designer shoes and collector nonsense can go for STUPID amounts and as people who are desperate to outpace their neighbours in Cool Stuff They Own realise that their neighbours are capable of getting all the same crap they are? people are either going to stop caring or they're going to start buying some Really Obscure Shit. For the others who just wanted to buy pretty things? There's literally no reason to stop. Amity might have to limit the amount of crap people can get shipped in per week/impose serious shipping tariffs just to make sure the new FTL supply chain doesn't collapse because people are determined to get their new Cashmere and Mohair coats with Gold Embroidery or what the hell ever on next day delivery. Honestly in this scenario the cards over time thing probably doesn't matter because I'm pretty sure the Amity expenditure would DESTROY the lending company, which might then actually be the thing to get Amity rediscovered or maybe they space all these buildings out over time so they keep living the sweet life.

[kaidatheghostdragon]

Whoops sorry, accidently blogged instead of saving draft.

Okay this is actually a partial reply to another post

but my reply got so long i think tumblr literally cant cope LMAO so (context the Amity park perception filter thread with @kaidatheghostdragon which i will edit a link into after posting (X) Edit: the context link is now attached)

Honestly they might not CRASH crash the economy but I honestly think they could do some serious damage. At the very least if Amity is going to start essentially printing USD with these cards to get infrastructure and the like set up the inflation within the town is going to go crazy and they might just need a new currency. I think it's also determined by how LARGE you consider Amity to be. As I've always seen it described as a small town I've always envisioned it to have a population of around 10,000 people. AS IT TURNS OUT the wiki describes it as 'Amity Park is depicted as a moderately large urban city, reminiscent of Chicago, San Francisco, and/or Philadelphia' WHICH IS WAY LARGER THAN I IMAGINED. I don't know SHIT about American cities or their layouts apart from the fact that Everything Is Squares and also apparently the junctions are death(? Apparently America doesn't have roundabouts??? Bro??? I don't know if that was a Simpsons gag but I think about it maybe half as often as I use roundabouts), BUT the point is that google says those cities are somewhere around 800,000 to 2.6 million.

Honestly I think those are weird numbers because those are enough of a range to not be at all considered the same size imo but we'll take Philadelphia as our base bc that's the one in the middle at 1.5 million. In "Amity Park's" population statistics (X) if you take everyone from 20-44 (we're pretending people under 20 can't get one bc apparently 13 year olds can get them with special permissions and that fills me with a special kind of anguish to have learned) but if you take everyone from 20-44 that population totals something like 613,028.

We'll give an error margin of 10% to account for people who are auto disqualified for whatever reason and between that error margin and the people I'm ignoring I think it's realistic to assume you could get 551,726 people credit cards. Unlimited ones? maybe not. But look me in the eyes and tell me if Sam Manson was told 'We can fix the public infrastructure that's damaging the environment and cause serious damage to predatory lending companies' She would not use her families wealth to be backing people as some kind of collateral/co-signer to get OBSCENLEY high credit cards SO FAST. That's to say nothing of if Tucker and the Other Nerds decide it's actually completely fine for them to hack into these companies and auto approve all these credit cards. Like the towns in dire straights so why not? It's unfortunately a pretty human tendency to see the people you care about in trouble and decide you're willing to throw literally anyone and everyone under the bus so I can see him/them doing it.

So. 551,726 people, with theoretically unlimited money to spend. CONSERVATIVELY if they racked up $500,000 USD on each card, the amount of money spent by Amity would end up being $275,863,000,000 or $275.8 BILLION Now the GDP of the USA is $25.44 Trillion, which looks like $25,440,000,000,000 so it's not a LOT in the grand scheme of things but it is just over 1%, I'm not going to pretend I know what that does economically to the entire USA but consider that Beer sales in the USA accounted for $106 billion in 2022, and that amity would potentially be generating nearly three times that. (X) I have just gone on a fucking TANGENT about the economy in this silly fun times thread of ours so I apologise I will try and sum up very quickly why I think they could spend so much so quickly. Philadelphia has a total of 37 hospitals. They built a new one sometime around 2021 to the tune of $1.6 billion (X) If Amity built a new hospital for liminality care and a few new ones Just Because They Realised They Can, say they build ten new hospitals, which is a VERY LARGE amount of new hospitals to build on workforce Alone, but they probably have tireless ghost workers who are probably obsessed with construction and regular living workers who want to be paid in the times before everyone had acclimated to the ghosts properly. Split among 551,726 people that's actually a fairly reasonable $28,999.90, which, hilariously, is actually just in and around the average limit to credit cards. So they wouldn't even need Sam or Tucker to mess with credit cards yet (X) Averages typically suck as a way of measuring stuff but this isn't a Real Life Government Project so I'm willing to call that acceptable. So if it's only $30k for ten hospitals why the hell am I citing a fat $500k each? Luxury Shit. A few luxury cars and some big name watches and you've blown through that $500k no problem. That's to say nothing of all the REST of the infrastructure that needs fixing - the roads, the schools, the libraries, the replacement materials for the transport system - hell building the APDC is going to probably be another billion dollar project if they want two portals large enough to get what is probably multilane traffic through in regards to transport. Sure the cars won't be useful for long maybe but that's just one example. Jewellery, coats - hell designer shoes and collector nonsense can go for STUPID amounts and as people who are desperate to outpace their neighbours in Cool Stuff They Own realise that their neighbours are capable of getting all the same crap they are? people are either going to stop caring or they're going to start buying some Really Obscure Shit. For the others who just wanted to buy pretty things? There's literally no reason to stop. Amity might have to limit the amount of crap people can get shipped in per week/impose serious shipping tariffs just to make sure the new FTL supply chain doesn't collapse because people are determined to get their new Cashmere and Mohair coats with Gold Embroidery or what the hell ever on next day delivery. Honestly in this scenario the cards over time thing probably doesn't matter because I'm pretty sure the Amity expenditure would DESTROY the lending company, which might then actually be the thing to get Amity rediscovered or maybe they space all these buildings out over time so they keep living the sweet life.

[kaidatheghostdragon]

Your math is great, but i think we're working on different scales here.

The largest city in illinois is obviously chicago, but ALL other cities are less than 200,000.

In fact, only six states have a city over 1 million population.

This is what i mean when i say that non americans (and even many americans who lived their entire lives within an urbanized area), dont understand how big America truly is.

America's population is split about 50-50 between a few dozen cities over a million population, and literally everyone else. Google-fu states that 28% of america's landmass is metropolitan, but only 10% of THAT is urban, which means about 25% total is rural development (neighbohoods, small towns, etc). About 40% of land is farmland, and about 29% is protected wildland. I'd imagine the last 10% or so is unprotected, undeveloped land. That doesn't sound like a lot, but generally, development growth is done on farmland, and farming practices get more efficient to make up the loss.

Overall, america is extremely open and spread out countryside dotted by small towns (less than 10,000 population.) 10,000-50,000 is defined as micropolitan, which usually covers a handful of neighboring small towns rather than being a single urban entity. Anything above 50,000 is considered metropolitan, and regardless of whether it's a single city or a handful of neighbors, it's considered a major regional population hub.

I was imagining amity park slash elmerton area as 100,000-200,000 thousand at the absolute largest (making it a major illinois hub), which is only about 20% of your estimate and already cuts down all your estimates to about 1/5th.

Looking at the pictures of the cities in the first link i gave, comparing to pics of amity park, they look closer to the 100,000-200,000 sized cities than chicago. The art style definitely leaves room for interpretation, but these images always looked like a city of this range to me.

The amity park mall, in particular, is exactly the same kind of mall build i can find in one of my neighboring 60,000 pop towns. Note the large wide building, only a few stories tall, surrounded by parking lot. Here in rural america, we build out, not up! That means that the images below are just the town centers, not the entire city (well, im pretty sure the image of chicago is like 90% of the city)

Chicago:

Aurora: (180,000)

Naperville: (150,000)

Rockford: (150,000)

I especially like this picture of Rockford, its almost exactly what i imagine downtown amity park to look like. Its also the largest city outside of the Chicago Metropolitan Area (Aurora and Naperville are inside that area, among others), so it has its own metropolitan area that actually totals at 348,000 people.

Onto hospitals:

I found that illinois has 138 hospitals and about 12.6 million people. That's about 91,000 people per hospital, which is equal to 1 or 2 hospitals to cover all of amity, 3 if we're being extremely generous and consider amity one of the wealthier metro hubs. This is an extreme over simplification of course (what constitutes a hospital vs emergency clinic, what is the range of capacity size for these hospitals, how evenly distributed are emergency services distributed throughout the state, etc), but we're talking rough estimates here. If we're arguing that Amity needs to expand hospitals to become self-sufficient, just doubling that number is gonna make a huge difference, when you consider that building an addition wing on a hospital to increase capacity by say, 10%, is usually the norm.

I also think your credit card math might be at the extremely high end. We gotta remember that amity is going through an economic crisis and major shipping shortages during this transition. Whats the point of all that hassle to buy and ship a ferrari to your front door, when your already struggling to get enough food delivered to feed your family. Yeah, people do stupid things when they suddenly have bottomless wealth, and i dont doubt that a handful of people did it just to prove they could, but then what? They cant drive that ferrari anywhere because it runs on gasoline, which there's a critical shipping shortage of. If it breaks, you have to special order parts, which could take multiple attempts before they get delivered.

Meanwhile, anyone with an old pick-em-up truck is getting it outfitted by the fentons to run on ecto so it doesnt take them an entire day to walk to the store on the other side of town and haul whatever groceries they were able to procure all the way back home. Neighboring farms can haul their harvest into the local farmer's market to sell directly to shoppers, while long-term solutions are still being planned and built.

The ferrari just becomes a lawn ornament for everyone's amusement.

Most credit card purchases are gonna be essentials those first few months, as everyone orders everything they and their neighbors need, and trade any surplus that gets through for them to those that were hit harder by the grand shipping lottery.

You bring up a great point about tucker hacking the cards. He can definitely ensure that the free money isn't just a temporary resource, but he'd have to be smart about it, and he might even deny cards to some of the more outragous spenders because there are still risks involved. Bankrupting the credit companies will get ALL of those cards shut down, not to mention many of the drastic measures they might attempt to save themselves.

Okay this is actually a partial reply to another post

but my reply got so long i think tumblr literally cant cope LMAO so (context the Amity park perception filter thread with @kaidatheghostdragon which i will edit a link into after posting (X) Edit: the context link is now attached)

Honestly they might not CRASH crash the economy but I honestly think they could do some serious damage. At the very least if Amity is going to start essentially printing USD with these cards to get infrastructure and the like set up the inflation within the town is going to go crazy and they might just need a new currency. I think it's also determined by how LARGE you consider Amity to be. As I've always seen it described as a small town I've always envisioned it to have a population of around 10,000 people. AS IT TURNS OUT the wiki describes it as 'Amity Park is depicted as a moderately large urban city, reminiscent of Chicago, San Francisco, and/or Philadelphia' WHICH IS WAY LARGER THAN I IMAGINED. I don't know SHIT about American cities or their layouts apart from the fact that Everything Is Squares and also apparently the junctions are death(? Apparently America doesn't have roundabouts??? Bro??? I don't know if that was a Simpsons gag but I think about it maybe half as often as I use roundabouts), BUT the point is that google says those cities are somewhere around 800,000 to 2.6 million.

Honestly I think those are weird numbers because those are enough of a range to not be at all considered the same size imo but we'll take Philadelphia as our base bc that's the one in the middle at 1.5 million. In "Amity Park's" population statistics (X) if you take everyone from 20-44 (we're pretending people under 20 can't get one bc apparently 13 year olds can get them with special permissions and that fills me with a special kind of anguish to have learned) but if you take everyone from 20-44 that population totals something like 613,028.

We'll give an error margin of 10% to account for people who are auto disqualified for whatever reason and between that error margin and the people I'm ignoring I think it's realistic to assume you could get 551,726 people credit cards. Unlimited ones? maybe not. But look me in the eyes and tell me if Sam Manson was told 'We can fix the public infrastructure that's damaging the environment and cause serious damage to predatory lending companies' She would not use her families wealth to be backing people as some kind of collateral/co-signer to get OBSCENLEY high credit cards SO FAST. That's to say nothing of if Tucker and the Other Nerds decide it's actually completely fine for them to hack into these companies and auto approve all these credit cards. Like the towns in dire straights so why not? It's unfortunately a pretty human tendency to see the people you care about in trouble and decide you're willing to throw literally anyone and everyone under the bus so I can see him/them doing it.

So. 551,726 people, with theoretically unlimited money to spend. CONSERVATIVELY if they racked up $500,000 USD on each card, the amount of money spent by Amity would end up being $275,863,000,000 or $275.8 BILLION Now the GDP of the USA is $25.44 Trillion, which looks like $25,440,000,000,000 so it's not a LOT in the grand scheme of things but it is just over 1%, I'm not going to pretend I know what that does economically to the entire USA but consider that Beer sales in the USA accounted for $106 billion in 2022, and that amity would potentially be generating nearly three times that. (X) I have just gone on a fucking TANGENT about the economy in this silly fun times thread of ours so I apologise I will try and sum up very quickly why I think they could spend so much so quickly. Philadelphia has a total of 37 hospitals. They built a new one sometime around 2021 to the tune of $1.6 billion (X) If Amity built a new hospital for liminality care and a few new ones Just Because They Realised They Can, say they build ten new hospitals, which is a VERY LARGE amount of new hospitals to build on workforce Alone, but they probably have tireless ghost workers who are probably obsessed with construction and regular living workers who want to be paid in the times before everyone had acclimated to the ghosts properly. Split among 551,726 people that's actually a fairly reasonable $28,999.90, which, hilariously, is actually just in and around the average limit to credit cards. So they wouldn't even need Sam or Tucker to mess with credit cards yet (X) Averages typically suck as a way of measuring stuff but this isn't a Real Life Government Project so I'm willing to call that acceptable. So if it's only $30k for ten hospitals why the hell am I citing a fat $500k each? Luxury Shit. A few luxury cars and some big name watches and you've blown through that $500k no problem. That's to say nothing of all the REST of the infrastructure that needs fixing - the roads, the schools, the libraries, the replacement materials for the transport system - hell building the APDC is going to probably be another billion dollar project if they want two portals large enough to get what is probably multilane traffic through in regards to transport. Sure the cars won't be useful for long maybe but that's just one example. Jewellery, coats - hell designer shoes and collector nonsense can go for STUPID amounts and as people who are desperate to outpace their neighbours in Cool Stuff They Own realise that their neighbours are capable of getting all the same crap they are? people are either going to stop caring or they're going to start buying some Really Obscure Shit. For the others who just wanted to buy pretty things? There's literally no reason to stop. Amity might have to limit the amount of crap people can get shipped in per week/impose serious shipping tariffs just to make sure the new FTL supply chain doesn't collapse because people are determined to get their new Cashmere and Mohair coats with Gold Embroidery or what the hell ever on next day delivery. Honestly in this scenario the cards over time thing probably doesn't matter because I'm pretty sure the Amity expenditure would DESTROY the lending company, which might then actually be the thing to get Amity rediscovered or maybe they space all these buildings out over time so they keep living the sweet life.

[kaidatheghostdragon]

Bruce x clark x danny, but instead of romantic, its totally platonic as they all just decide that they're triplets. (Their ages are all within one year, too!)

Danny is able to cover for both batman AND superman - at the same time!

Everyone laments about not meeting danny sooner. He could have solved so many problems, and they could have helped danny with his.

Danny, in his forties, knows he passes for two people; Bruce Wayne and some randomass reporter named Clark Kent. Which is great, because he's about to defend Bruce Wayne's son, and it'd be weird if the press thought he was just some rando.

Danny didn't want to know who the fuck Bruce Wayne was, but Sam's parents would not shut up about the guy as Danny was growing up.

So, yeah; he can recognize Bruce Wayne on site. And his children.

Not because he stalked them! It was all Sam's fault, her and her parents! Her for complaining about the Waynes, and her parents for idolizing them!

Anyways, he's pretty sure he just saw some chick drug Dick Grayson's quadruple sugar caramel frappe, and Dick drank it.

Danny doesn't really think? He kind of just moves.

Dick Grayson barely gets out a "Uh, hey-?" before Danny decks the bitch in the face hard enough to throw the woman back five feet.

She's definitely going to need a hospital.

Danny doesn't give a fuck.

Danny gives so little fucks that he just puts a very carefully gentle hand on Dick Grayson's shoulder and steers him away from the scene.

"She roofied your drink. I'm taking you to the hospital."

Or; Dick was going to allow a Trafficker to drug him, so that he could play bait. The trackers he'd swallowed would absolutely lead Jason to where he was taken, as Jason was working with him on this, but didn't meet the traffickers "type". He didn't tell Bruce he was going to do this. So when the Rohypnol starts to kick in, he's absolutely sure he sees Bruce come in out of nowhere and wreck the Trafficker's shit. The randos filming the incident think they just saw someone's dad almost murder a bitch, and then heard said dad mention roofies. When the videos are posted online, and the dad is "identified" as Bruce Wayne, Bruce has three things happen. First; he's getting a lawsuit from the woman. Second; he's also getting notified through this that he has a doppleganger or clone. He will need to investigate, as he needs to thank the man. Third; his image has become pristine in the eyes of Gotham, and has also become yet another wholesome meme.