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Saw this brilliant take today:

Elriels don't recognize how toxic Azriel is. They don't see his red flags.

He can only be with Gwyn after he 'heals'.

Please, for the love of god and all that is holy, make it make sense!!!!

Why can't he be with Elain, for example, after he 'heals'?

Why should he be with ANY woman if he is toxic?

If he is full of red flags, then why should he be with an inexperienced and innocent Gwyn who's never even been around men?

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The antis wanting Elain to simply accept the bond with Lucien are scary. It shouldn’t matter if it “isn’t so bad”. If Elain doesn’t want the bond with Lucien, she should not have to accept it. It’s not about what’s not so bad. It’s about what Elain wants. It’s like me telling a friend that she should give a guy a chance because he is “nice”. It doesn’t matter if he is nice. That doesn’t mean my friend would be interested in him.

Unfortunately, women are programmed to be 'nice'. And Elain, who has this aura of niceness about her, is a prime example of that. The nicer someone appears to be, the more people want to manipulate them. Women are conditioned not to fight, not to argue, be 'happy with their lot', be happy that someone is interested in them romantically (because then, they can get married and have babies, which is of course every woman's only path to presumed happiness).

Honestly, no one would demand of Aelin or Nesta to accept some random 'nice guy'. They are positioned as warriors and someone who can stand up for themselves. But not Elain. Elain is expected to simply accept Lucien and be grateful.

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I'm afraid SJM will destroy Azriel and Elain like Nesta and Cassian because I don't like the way they get along, like they're constantly tearing each other's hearts out. I don't want Azriel and Elain to hurt each other, they are very special to me ☹

I think the dynamic is different between Elriel and Nessian. Nessian were always bickering and sniping. I don't think she will do with Elriel. But I can see them having some conflict. I mean, they should have some. But I think there will be enough of other conflict between all these people that it doesn't have to be ELriel. I am pretty sure that SJM will go the Feysand way with Elriel.

Elriel is a mirror flip with Feysand.

Feyre+Tamlin (lover)+Mate (Rhys). She leaves the lover for the mate.

Elain+Azriel (lover)+Mate (Lucien). She leaves the mate for the lover.

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The anti-Elriels often forget that these characters don't just randomly find themselves in situations and act accordingly. SJM orchestrates it. It's all purposefully written.

So to those who say that Azriel rescuing Elain from Hybern wasn't romantic (it IS) or that he was just doing his job (he wasn't) - ask yourselves this - why Azriel then?

SJM could have just as easily sent Azriel to go retrieve Vassa. "Who better to find her then the Spymaster? He has eyes and ears everywhere, if anyone can locate her it's him." And she could have just as easily made it Lucien who stuck around, noticed Elain was missing, and insisted on going to save her, regardless of the threat of death.

He could have winnowed to the edge of the camp. Used his "slyness" to sneak through and find her. And finally, use his heritage as SPELL CLEAVER and his magical eye, to break the wards which did not allow anyone to winnow out. And boom, he winnows himself, Elain, and Briar to safety, and Feyre winnows herself out too.

Then it could have been Elain and Lucien who shared a moment. Maybe she doesn't want him as a mate, but she can't help but be thankful to him for his rescue. CCan't help but admire his courage, his bravery, his resourcefulness in getting them out.

But she DIDN'T. She wrote Az and Elain. Az rescuing her. Az carrying ehr. Elain kicking the hounds off Azriel's back. Elain kissing Azriel's cheek. This didn't just happen on accident. This was intentional. And Eluciens and Gwynriels alike love to pretend that it was just chance.

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HOFAS SPOILERS**

“SJM is a fated mates author and hasn’t split them up in 16 books so Elucien is obvs endgame”

Baxian: am I a joke to you???

Arent they all bored of perfect mates?

Also, were Cormack and Sophie mates too? (can't remember, tbh)

The desire in this fandom for SJM to be a one trick pony is incredible. Let's do more training! Let's mate everyone and everyone is happy! Let's heal!

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wen Matchy update???

Weekend? Maybe.

I'll try to finish the chapter by the end of the week, because next week I am off to good ol' Britain.

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People keep mistakenly thinking that the next book will be some kind of a dark romance, where Azriel seduces Gwyn, a trainer x his charge situation, age gap, dom and virgin heroine, they have clandestine meetings, he ties her up with ribbons and shadows, he bites her clit and stalks her, he calls her 'good girl' and says things like 'you take my cock so well'...

Nope.

SJM is not gonna write that.

She pushes the boundaries sometimes, but I feel like Gwynriel had a better chance 14 years ago. When SJM was much ballsier (or clueless) and wrote a ton of strange and often somewhat controversial things. Rhys breaking Feyre's arm or Rowan and Aelin beating the shit out of each other. Back then, SJM might not have had any qualms about writing all these questionable tropes. But now she is SaRah J MaAs and she is too important to write stuff like that. Her romances are more boring and predictable (looking at you, Quinlar), and Nessian.

So there would not be any butt stuff with Gwynriel in the Library. Dragon dick is staying firmly tamed.

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Not the Eluciens saying Elucien are carraman because they both have light (?) 😭😭😭

Why do they do this, it's like they're begging for the worlds biggest eyeroll response

What light do they have? Like, what light does Elain have? Lucien, MAYBE, though a stretch, but he glowed a bit in ACOMAF.

Also, carranam is an exchange of powers. They don't even have to be the same. Rowan and Aelin had different but complimentary powers. She was raging fire and he was cool mist.

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About the acotar wiki page, I understand that it is a fan page. But after being told that, I was mad because it’s the principle of the situation. I couldn’t care less if Disney characters were the moderators. It’s really the principle of it. And it’s also erasing what SJM wrote in her books. Call me mean or whatever. I still think they are assholes for doing that.

yes, i agree to an extent that it's a fan page, BUT it's not their personal page. And anything Wiki implies that the info is true and impartial.

So yes, they are assholes. Because they are lying and being deliberate about it.

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Someone from a Facebook group told me that after the gywnriels complained about Elain being listed as a love interest for Azriel on the acotar wiki page, the moderators removed Elain from Azriel’s love interests list. I think this was a while ago. I don’t know how true it is, but if the Gwynriels complained that much, they are truly immature. If they aren’t threatened by the elriel ship, why did they have to go and complain about it?

Oh yeah it's true. And oh yeah they fucking battled to the death with the mods, and the mods had to lock all the Elain and Azriel related stuff, because it was a blood bath that GAs started. It was really not only ridiculous, but also FALSE.

Wiki is supposed to provide correct and true info.

In fact that they insisted on deleting true and correct info tells you everything you need to know.

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So I frequent acotar reddit as a lurker and I noticed that in the latest 'Debate your ship' post there were basically no eluciens or gwynriels (aside from the few stray ones). It's a little funny because this post is a like a battleground shippers meet on once a month, but this time it's like the other army just straight up didn't come. I know the loudest shippers claim bravely that "they don't need songs and articles" (most of those live in a tumblr bubble) but them being this quiet en masse on the discussion forum for everyone tells me everything I need to know lmao. I suppose they will regain their composure by the time the next Debate happens, but I appreciated this moment of peace and quiet.

People are finally seeing the light?

I usually see those posts and I don't even look at them, tbh, because it's just blood pressure raising nonsense, but i am happy that there are more Elriels vs everyone else.

I think that there are too many indicators as to where the series is going, so it would be dumb to continue insisting that 'Gwyn is next!!' or that Lucien and Elain are secretly in love.

Also, i think all the fair weather fans have moved on a long time ago and dont give a shit about Gwynriel and it was just a flash in a pan.

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What do you think about that one interview SJM did that said she hadn't changed what she had originally planned all those years ago when she drunkenly pitched the sequels to ACOWAR to her editor?

Eluciens are trying to use it to prove that their ship is still a thing but idk she never says what she had planned for Elain was Lucien. She mentions she planted the seeds for Elain's journey early on, mentions Elain, Mor, Azriel - but she doesn't mention Lucien. Yet they're trynna say because of that one interview, it's proof that SJM is still continuing to do Elucien.

Imo I feel like SJM always wanted to explore a rejected mates storyline. I think she chose Elain bc she knew Nesta would immediately reject any mating bond she didn't want. I think even Lucien being Elain's mate was part of her plan all along for Elain. Idk if she planned for Azriel specifically all the way back then, but at least by ACOFAS it was clear Elriel was happening. What do you think?

Pretty much the same thing. I think the bond rejection plan was always there and initially it was with Lucien and Nesta, but then became with Lucien and Elain. I dont think she ever planned on Lucien ending up with any of the sisters and I think the plan was always 3 brothers x 3 sisters.

I DON'T think she's changed anything from the OG plans. I think it was always meant to be and all the stories of bad bonds that she put in the books were for a reason. And the Cauldron being corrupted was always there...already in ACOMAF she was giving the Cauldron a shady past.

So I think she is following the plan she set up.

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#Feyre vibes

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It’s weird of the fandom to not immediately know that Elriel is happening just from both of them getting each other solstice presents. I know, I know. That’s “too simple” for SJM in their eyes, but I took notice that all of the bat boys buy/have purchased the woman they are interested in presents for solstice. For crying out loud, Rhys bought Feyre an entire mansion. I would have felt more between Elucien (Elain actually wanting to be with Lucien) had Elain even though to get Lucien a present. But she didn’t. I don’t even think it passed her mind, but she did think to get Azriel a solstice present twice now.

That in itself speaks volumes, but the fandom will call it “boring”. I think this fandom needs to slow down and understand that most things ARE what they seem, that not everything requires mental gymnastics. It could be something as simple as Azriel giving Elain a solstice present, which he did in his bonus chapter. ☺️

And if Lucien was remotely interested in Elain, he would have gotten her a gift that he knew she would like/would use. But he didn’t.

Yes, if the author literally devotes a book to Solstice celebrations and emphasizes every gift that each person receives and from who, then wouldnt you think that it's somewhat important?

Where a whole scene is devoted to Azriel laughing joyfully and looking happy when he received Elain's gift?

And everyone watching them and marvelling.

Again, if SJM wanted to write all of this for Elucien, for example, she could've! She could've set up Az and Emerie, for example.

But she wrote Elriel.

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I think there might be a theme developing. I feel like between the Cauldron, Koschei's box of immortality, Elain wondering if she can go back and be unmade, and Azriel being compared to 'human', in addition to you know, SJM loving grand gestures, there is a possibility of something like that. Something similar to Elorcan. But with more drama--Elain bargains with the Cauldron or Koschei for Azriel's life, and offers her immortality to give him life (also ties with the whole Life-giving/Power of Life theme that she might have). In the end, they both live, but are no longer immortal.

Do I think that Elain would give up her immortality to save Azriel? Yes.

Will SJM go there? I hope so.

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Do I think that Elain would give up her immortality to save Azriel? Yes.

Will SJM go there? I hope so.