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#* character study: lor'themar theron / THE SURVIVING‚ THE HEALING‚ THE REBUILDING.

warwaged-archive · 3 years

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I’ve mentioned it the other day but I guess I should add it to his page and or elaborate but:

I feel like canon has it as common knowledge that Drathir had all the information about Quel’thalas’ defenses because Lor’themar gave it to him, and that’s kinda stupid because people, at least some of them, would certainly hate and resent him for it, and definitely not see him as a good leadership option. So that’s not really how I go about it, because frankly there’s not even a need for people to know that? So. There’s a select few who certainly do know (they’re the same select few I always list when talking about Lor ig), plus people who knew it because of Drathir (like Arthas). It is common knowledge Drathir betrayed the Belfs, but not how he acquired the information he passed on, at least in regards to my particular take on Lor’themar that is.

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warwaged-archive · 4 years

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While timeline is less than clear when it comes to Lor’themar and Farstrider ranks, I think it is fair to assume he would have been of age with the Windrunners (that I personally do not see as being too far apart in age, but that’s just my personal take), as much as ‘of age’ might mean when it comes to elves at least. In Blood of the Highborne, he’s described as “a fine young man” at the time of his ascension to Ranger Lord, and Sylvanas herself was already Ranger General, the ceremony for his promotion apparently happening shortly after the Second War (apparently, because in spite of Liadrin mentioning the Second War as she thinks about his rank advancement, she also mentions Stratholme so there is that). I don’t think it’s necessary to have a precise date for discussing him and Sylvanas, though; my wish is only to point out they likely were more or less close in age, and possibly climbed Farstriders ranks together.

As far as their work relationship goes, I think it’s fair enough to assume they worked together more often than not. Even before being appointed Ranger Lord, Lor’themar was already described as Sylvanas’ Second-in-Command (Tides of Darkness mentions him and Turalyon acknowledging each other as equals in what seems to make reference to their respective ranks: ”[…] Lord Theron, this is Sir Turalyon of the Silver Hand, second in command of the Alliance forces. And Khadgar of Dalaran, mage.” Turalyon nodded and Theron returned the gesture, a show of respect among equals.”). And at this point, Sylvanas had literally just become Ranger General, so he would have rose to the Second-in-Command position immediately alongside her, which by itself implies they had been working together for a long time, and that Sylvanas put a lot of trust in him too. The Ranger General of Silvermoon was, after all, responsible for all of Quel’thalas’ military defenses, not only the Farstriders; and Sylvanas trusted in Lor’themar to assume the position, should anything happen to her, as well as to generally being the highest ranking Farstrider other than herself — even though there would have been others before him in hierarchy, probably, considering he hadn’t yet been promoted to Ranger Lord.

Their work dynamics is important because the way I see it, it is where any friendship would have started. We do not know from canon if Lor’themar’s family was nobility, but my personal headcanon is that it wasn’t, and I think his having to learn to navigate politics and nobility with becoming Regent Lord further supports; so any chance of them meeting through a shared social circle was likely very slim. If they did, it still would have been only in their Farstrider years that they would have really gotten to know each other better. And considering their ages not to be too far apart, as I said in the beginning, it would be fair to assume they were rangers together, likely worked on a good amount of missions and patrols together as both climbed Farstrider ranks (with Sylvanas being a little ahead because well, it’s Sylvanas, and much more than her name, she had superb skill).

My headcanon is that throughout the times they worked together, camaraderie was slowly built between them, as well as mutual trust; they made a very good team, and got to a point where they were capable of great teamwork with minimum communication. I think from his part at least, much of the trust he had in her as a commander would bleed in and mix with the trust he had in Sylvanas in general. Alongside that mutual trust, I think some sort of friendship would have developed also; I do think they were good friends, and I personally envision their friendship as involving a high level of sass and blunt honesty; and Lor’themar certainly cared a lot for Sylvanas.

He definitely held her in very high regard. While Tides of Darkness also gives minimal indication he had some sort of friendship with Alleria as well, I picture him as being closer to Sylvanas — and I think that, like Alleria as he may have, he would have thought it better that Sylvanas became the Ranger General instead of Alleria. Biased or not, he knew Sylvanas and he knew she had what it took to be a good Ranger General; I like to think he would have known she had the ambition to become Ranger General also, and while the way it came to happen was, of course, very tragic and not ideal, Lor’themar would have had the certainty Sylvanas would not only honor the mantle but make for an extraordinary Ranger General.

Which isn’t to say they always saw things eye to eye. I think they would have disagreed, perhaps even clashed, in more than one occasion — but I also think they would have the kind of relationship where there was no loss of respect come from those disagreements, and that disagreements would always be overcome somehow. He didn’t think she was always right, he certainly disagreed with some of her choices, but ultimately he trusted her more than he would doubt her decisions, and Lor’themar always held to the belief that, as he says to Halduron in Blood of the Highborne, “True leadership is not about making the right decisions every time. Sometimes it is about pressing on despite having made the wrong ones”, a statement that I think would have been not only something that would fit Sylvanas, but that their dynamics would be lined by that train of thought. They respect each other, even in their mistakes, and perhaps even more because of the other’s ability to move forward in spite of the mistakes they might make.

Of course, all of that changes when Sylvanas dies. Lor’themar is always a step behind during the Scourge attack; he was patrolling near Zul’Aman when he finds first signs of attack and eventually finds out about the breach in security, then running back to Silvermoon. But regardless of how fast he goes, Lor’themar is too late. When he gets to the city Sylvanas has already fallen to Arthas; yet even if he isn’t there to witness her death, it hits him hard all the same. It is no less than he would have expected of Sylvanas, to have fought Arthas even as odds seemed impossible, to resist the advances of the Scourge for as long as she could, to pay the ultimate price to protect her people and her land. It is heartbreaking, but it would honestly only have motivated him to fight harder for the few who were left, and to make sure her sacrifice would not have been in vain. In the belf heritage armor questline, Lor’themar says “She paid the ultimate price so that enough of us might escape to rebuild our fallen kingdom”; it is a belief he holds on to, even so many years after the Fall, no matter how she and their dynamics change. The way he sees it, Sylvanas didn’t give her life in vain; her sacrifice gave them a chance to survive, and he fully intends to honor that sacrifice always.

That Arthas isn’t content with just her death and turns her against Quel’thalas is a devastating blow, even harsher than the loss of their greatest hero was in itself. As a friend, he would have been horrified that she would not have been allowed to rest even after death, that they would have to fight Sylvanas when she had been Quel’thalas’ greatest defender; because it is a loss that hits all of them, but she wasn’t just a hero to him: he knew her, they were friends, and the loss is personal to him. In the position he is then, Lor’themar knows he can’t dwell on it, though; her death, as well as that of the King and most other leadership of the elven kingdom, all end up thrusting Lor’themar in a leadership position. He is too concerned with the survival of the few who are left. There is no time to grief, no room for doubt; this doesn’t mean he doesn’t feel for the situation, just that he forces himself to push his feelings aside. Survival makes the elves ruthless, more so than they would have been before; and Lor’themar, even while thinking his leadership position to be temporary, would very much do anything to ensure his people’s survival. To him, Sylvanas would still be dead in every way but one, and that one would be something Sylvanas herself would rather have than to serve as Arthas Menethil’s pawn (or so he, based on the Sylvanas he knew, would think). If it came to facing each other, he wouldn’t hesitate, regardless of how much she meant to him — perhaps even more because of it, because he would believe Sylvanas to despise what Arthas was making her do. Death would be better than to be a puppet, twisted against the very things she died to defend. It would be heartbreaking and nauseating but he would rather give her a clean, final death and let her truly rest.

Which means that when she regains control of herself, he already sees her as someone to be fought. It takes a while for Sylvanas to regain her autonomy and for her to reveal she has it and turn on Arthas; and by the time she does, it would be impossible for him to simply be trusting (I don’t think even before the Fall Lor’themar would be the kind to let his feelings overrun his judgement, he always had some degree of ruthlessness, but after the Fall that is much stronger, particularly where the survival of his people and potential and real threats are involved). Accepting her back within Quel’thalas, unfortunately, doesn’t even cross his mind — Sylvanas had become an enemy, had been used against their people, and he could not risk accepting her back and risking an attack from within. They hadn’t even reclaimed most of their lands, and they definitely weren’t stable enough to take risks that would endanger the few of their people who were left. It still isn’t easy to shun her completely; Lor’themar has a hard time accepting what she has become even later. That reaction would both be prompted by the need to protect his people and the fear of letting his feelings lead to another betrayal after Dar’khan (which, at the time, was still a very recent thing and a very sore subject; it never really stops bothering him, and he will always have an extra layer of distrust after that, but at that time it is a bleeding wound still). He wouldn’t trust Sylvanas, no matter who she was before, no matter how immensely he had trusted her in life; she’s not Sylvanas, the defender of Quel’thalas, anymore, she’s not his friend anymore. Even if her mind was truly her own and it could have been proven, it still wouldn’t have been enough — because Arthas controlled her before, so what guarantee would they have he couldn’t regain control of her again? What guarantee did they have that her death and subsequent rising as a banshee had not damaged her permanently and made her a creature of evil?·She’d be a risk; and Lor’themar would not take risks, would never endanger his people, much less based on personal trust.

Chronicle says that “Sylvanas reached out to her former people in Quel'Thalas, asking them for sanctuary. She had given her life to protect them, and she expected something in return for her sacrifice. Yet her request was refused. The blood elves feared the undead and treated them as monsters.”. I think listening to her request would be the most he would grant her, even that with a great deal of unwillingness. The Forsaken are not the Scourge, but for a people nearly decimated by the later, making that distinction, particularly so recently after said decimation, would by no means be easy — of course they’d fear the undead, regardless of which sort of undead they were. When it comes to Sylvanas personally, it isn’t as much merely a matter of seeing her as a monster as it is that he cannot trust her. Lor’themar values her sacrifice, values Sylvanas herself, is immensely sad for what happened to her, resentful that she suffered all that (from the Sunwell trilogy: "We thought her dead with the rest… would that, for her sake and ours, we had been correct!”) but accepting her within Quel’thalas, with a group of undead no less, would have been very naive a thing for him to do. Surely, Sylvanas on the other hand has valid reasons to resent that; she gave everything to defend her people, after all. But it is precisely that, the protection of their people, that is foremost in how Lor’themar faces her. In a paradoxical way, his drive to do right by what she died to achieve is also part of what motivates his refusal to reward her sacrifice with allowing her back in elven lands.

Which of course means that although Sylvanas is still existing and settled with the Forsaken in neighboring lands eventually, they have little contact for a time (which Lor’themar would definitely prefer, because accepting Sylvanas as she is then isn’t an easy thing). It is one thing to see Sylvanas twisted and opposing her people and fight her, knowing her will was not her own and believing she’d better dead; it’s another to deal with her when she’s in control of herself again. It would be difficult for him to even understand why she’d insist on going on existing as Forsaken (Lor’themar still believes true death would have been preferable, thinks he would have preferred it for himself, were their places reversed). So at this point relationship is tense at best, and I think it would be fair to assume both of them to have set aside friendship.

The next point at which there’s an important shift to their dynamics comes with the sin’dorei joining the Horde. Lor’themar is still regent, learns of Kael’thas’ struggle in Outland, but cannot even spare anyone to aid their prince, not having enough forces to even maintain Quel’thalas itself as they deal with Amani threats, most of their military strength destroyed, and the problem with the Wretched being a thing. They desperately needed allies. The Alliance, however, shows itself less than sympathetic to the sin’dorei’s plight, still resentful of Quel’thalas’ withdraw from it under Anasterian’s rule, as well as Kael’thas’ association with Illidan and the naga.

It is Sylvanas and her Forsaken who offer the sin’dorei a hand; offer that Lor’themar would not have accepted, were the circumstances different. Others may believe love for her homeland to drive her, but he still doesn’t trust Sylvanas as she is then. But there isn’t really an option when they need aid to survive, so he begrudgingly accepts it. It is the first step at rebuilding some sort of relationship not only between their peoples but between the two leaders. Lor’themar is much too distrustful of Sylvanas still, but being in contact with her again (and a version of her that is under her own control again) it can’t be helped that some echo of what she was and what he knew of her in life is what he’d expect of her in part. He becomes much more amenable to her (for a time), after they begin to work together in freeing Quel’thalas of the Scourge.

The Blood Elves are still suspicious, of course, but it is after accepting the help of the Forsaken in the Ghostlands that Sylvanas introduces Lor’themar to the Horde. And while he’s not the biggest fan of orcs and trolls, his people need allies and the Alliance couldn’t care less for them. The Horde, as it was then, wasn’t quite the same they had fought before, either; and they’re willing to help, which means the world considering the elves’ state. It is through Sylvanas’ effort that they find the aid they needed — and to someone who knew her before, having her fight for their land and strongly endorse the acceptance of the sin’dorei into the Horde, it isn’t as easy to doubt and distrust her then (some distrust is kept, of course; but for a time Lor’themar almost believes, or wants to believe that indeed her intentions were genuine, and that perhaps he had wronged her in refusing her in Quel’thalas —- which isn’t to say he regrets his stand, necessarily, because he had no way to know and no reason to trust, before all of this). To someone who would be glad to learn Sylvanas had not been completely changed, this is enough to fuel hope his commander and friend isn’t as entirely gone as he once believed.

Deny it as he would have, he does hold on to that hope, to the very idea Sylvanas has something of her past self still. When he reaches out to the Quel’dorei and learns of Forsaken having attacked Quel’lithien, Lor’themar is much more disturbed by it than he shows. I think it’s pretty evident he still had some faith in Sylvanas when he speaks with Halduron about it, in In the Shadow of the Sun:

“Do you think Sylvanas knows?” Lor’themar shook his head. “I do not know.” “Do you think she would care, if she did know?” That was the question Lor’themar had been dreading. “I do not know that, either. What if she does not?” He covered his face with his hands. “They were her rangers.”

He is pretty evidently distraught by the idea Sylvanas no longer cares for people who were once her rangers, regardless of his own distrust towards her. And this speaks lots of how much he, knowingly or not, still clung to the idea of the Sylvanas she had been in life, the one he had known, the one who had been his friend and who gave everything to save her people. That Sylvanas, the way he sees her, would never have allowed her rangers to be hurt, much less to know of it and not care at all; and though he hesitates in deciding whether or not Sylvanas would still care, the very idea she may not is so difficult for him to grasp that it hurts, even though this is years after the Fall. In truth, Lor’themar never really comes to terms with what happened to her and what she became — and while he learns (the harsh way too) not to expect Sylvanas to be the same, I think even in current timeline he has yet to come to terms with it completely (but I’ll get there). Which is further supported by this passage:

Rommath was more detached; he knew what to expect, but his horror was distant and impersonal, unlike Lor’themar and Halduron’s. To them, Sylvanas’s fate was a wound ripped raw again every time they saw her, and its pain had yet to dull.

So it is, of course, a very uncomfortable situation that has nothing of easy about it. At the same time he cannot come to terms with the fact Banshee Queen Sylvanas is not Ranger-General Sylvanas, he knows she is changed and that trusting her is a risk. At the same time there is some remnant of friendship in his heart, he knows her to no longer be a friend.

During the years he had now spent ruling Quel’Thalas, he had found it to be very nearly a physical action, the way he had to draw the mantle of authority about himself. He could feel the change, right down to the tips of his fingers. In front of Sylvanas he would need all the resolve he could muster.

For the second time since he had returned from Quel’Lithien, he heard Hawkspear’s words in his memory. We are no longer her people. If Lor’themar was honest with himself, he could not deny that he had known it all the while.

When Lor’themar goes to meet her, that is made very explicit, as the quotes above show: he prepares to face her as Regent Lord, making the mental preparation that marks the switch between who he is and who he must be as a leader. Were he at ease with her, he would not have made such a change; yet if he held no regard for her any longer, it wouldn’t hurt to see what she became every single time he is forced to see her. His feelings towards her are fundamentally contradictory. He feels for her fate but cannot offer her sympathy, holds on to her not being completely gone while knowing she is fundamentally changed, hurts for his friend and fears what she has become, all at once.

This is where their relationship would mostly stand, from then on. Distrust would always permeate it, and Sylvanas certainly plays (or tries to play) Lor’themar on other occasions, unapologetic in doing so. That said, their standing on the same side again, as well as everything Sylvanas has done for Quel’thalas, ulterior motives or not, and their previous affinity and attunement to working together, I think it would have grown to be an uneasy friendship of sorts, or at least an understanding. Sylvanas is changed, it’s true, and the dead put little value on many of the living’s morals; but to a point, Lor’themar himself is also changed and hardened, for a people who stood on the brink of extinction and had to cling to survival desperately also learn to be vicious, to be ruthless, to put less weight on honor and similar things. Out of all other Horde leaders, Sylvanas would end up being the one he’d be closer to. And given time, as he learns to play his part in politics quite well, Lor’themar also learns how to deal with Sylvanas better (when she tries to use his feelings and concern for his land to have him support her in Tides of War, for example, Lor’themar doesn’t bend to her will, no matter how she tries to coax him into it, which is a long way from where they stood in In the Shadow of the Sun when she demanded the sin’dorei sent forces to fight Arthas). It would take time for him to be more willing to overcome his reservations; War Crimes gives the idea that only by the time of Garrosh’s trial Lor’themar is somewhat more open to it, though at the same time the following part with their conversation in Thalassian is well in line with the idea there was some sort of friendly-ish understanding.

Sylvanas looked over at Lor’themar, lifting an eyebrow. The sin’dorei leader had always been polite but coldly resentful whenever Sylvanas had approached him to forge unity, keeping his precious dignity even when coerced. Did this conversation in Thalassian signal a shift? Was he perhaps smarting from being overlooked for leadership of the Horde?

“I wonder if Vol’jin will regret not taking Varian when we had the chance. I suppose we must wait, and watch.” “As we ever do,” said Sylvanas, curious as to how he would respond to the implied partnership. […]

How she feels about him and any friendship they had is another matter, but on his part this friendly-ish feeling would be there; but that there was friendship between them once is undeniable, regardless of how it fell apart with everything that happened to them. They were friends once, but even if they have any common ground or could form some sort of partnership or understanding and stand on friendly-ish terms, ultimately they are not friends any longer, cannot be. Even in control of herself, Sylvanas will always be a potential danger to the sin’dorei, no longer one of them — and she understands this is his view very clearly, according to Before the Storm:

Friends, they had been. Theron had served under a living Sylvanas when she was ranger-general of the high elves. They had been comrades in arms, much like the one who rode beside her as her champion. But whereas Nathanos, a mortal human in years past and now Forsaken, had kept his unswerving loyalty to her, Sylvanas knew that Theron’s was to his people.

People who had been just like her once.

They were just like her no more.

Theron inclined his head. He would serve, at least for the moment. Not one for speeches, Sylvanas merely nodded back and turned to the group of Forsaken.

She is right, of course. Lor’themar’s loyalty is to his people, always. Even if they were friends still, even if she was the same person as when she had been Ranger-General, ultimately his loyalty would not be to her, but to his people, to Quel’thalas. And she’s not part of said people anymore. Not only that, she knows Lor’themar not to have loyalty to the Horde itself; that he would leave it, should he think it best for the sin’dorei (which is precisely what may have happened years prior, had his diplomatic efforts with Varian not been ruined by Garrosh and the Sunreaver incident and the purge). Lor’themar is polite, amicable even, and there surely is some persistent attachment to their old friendship but there is no implicit trust nor loyalty for Sylvanas on his part. There once was, but those feelings died when she did.

As of Battle of Azeroth, Lor’themar’s hesitance to turn against Sylvanas would be caused by a combination of several things: wariness to act in any way that would endanger the sin’dorei, first and foremost, a greater degree of tolerance towards her ruthlessness towards their enemies, but surely some of it was due to his still holding on to some semblance of friendship with her, even if their relationship is quite a crooked one at this point. Of course, there are points at which he would draw the line when it comes to Sylvanas’ war antics (for example, Lor’themar would not have opposed her plan to occupy Darnassus, even if it involved exploiting the lack of soldiers to defend it, but the burning of the World Tree would be something else; or that he would not raise issue with, if he would always be unsettled by, Sylvanas raising the Alliance dead as Forsaken, yet the moment she touched the sin’dorei that would be more than overstepping the line).

His reasoning on that front would be of a more pragmatic sort than that of the ones speaking of honor; his turning against Sylvanas stems both from being forced to accept they have greater threats to deal with and she would not abide a truce and being forced to realize that what Sylvanas is doing has grown to be harmful to the Horde itself, and that his people would eventually suffer the consequences of it if they simply let her go unchecked. He postpones any sort of rebellion because he knows Sylvanas well, and he knows what she’s capable of, and he wouldn’t act until it was less advantageous for the sin’dorei to stick with her than to turn against her.

Twisted and uneasy as their partnership is, the truth is the wound caused by Sylvanas’ fate never truly healed, reopened each time she leaned towards the most questionable acts. In the end, it doesn’t matter that it’s been years, nor even that he has suffered her less than nice demeanor himself, that she has used him and tried to make use of their past friendship to manipulate him into acting a certain way, not even that he can never trust her completely, that he doesn’t understand her as much anymore and hasn’t for a long time. Part of him still holds on to the friendship they once had. Part of him always will. He will never be able to completely accept that Arthas succeeded in destroying that Sylvanas. Whatever happens to her, he will choose to remember her at her best. Because in the end of the day, if he can no longer trust this Sylvanas, if he cannot respect her as he once did, his trust and respect and fondness for his Ranger-General, as well as his gratitude for all she did for their people, will be everlasting.

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I’ll just make a list or I’ll never get this done, but this is about divergences in how I write lor’themar. I am canon based (but as always also very reliant on my own headcanons to expand stuff and fill in blanks) up to Legion.

he was friends with sylvanas once upon a time, but to make a call back to that after it has literally been ignored most of the time is lazy and the way it’s done just makes it seems like he didn’t care. his relationship with her is complicated, both because of what it was in life and because of their interactions after she died, with lor’themar not being able to trust her and the other dark rangers in silvermoon and sylvanas extending a hand then wanting more of his people to die on a battle they weren’t ready to fight. I don’t think there’s been trust from either side for a long time, but sylvanas is his oldest ally amidst the other leaders, in spite of how sketchy an ally she is.

honor, as a concept, is not in his top five priorities probably. honor helped them very little in fighting arthas, or dealing with kael’thas, or restoring their kingdom, and while lor’themar understands its value, he doesn’t place it above the well being of his people (see also: would switch factions in the blink of an eye if it guaranteed it’d best for the sin’dorei).

he does have limits though, and burning teldrassil, murdering most kaldorei and making them undead afterwards just hits too close for comfort

like, deceiving the kaldorei so teldrassil would have a smaller defense force, then marching on it and taking it for the horde? sure. that’s all fine and good. but blowing up the entire thing and killing everyone and making the ones left undead is just. Too Much.

with all of that what I mean to say is: from that moment he has 0 allegiance to sylvanas. he doesn’t like night elves but what she’s doing would bother him enough I can’t see him not confronting her about it. it was different with garrosh, who he not only didn’t know on a personal level and had no ties to, but who he knew enough to be wary of from the start (and to know voicing his issues to would only make things worse). he knew sylvanas, he has some tie to her still, and even if he didn’t, there’d be the emotional reaction of seeing someone who was dear to him and who he chooses to remember fondly for what she was in life suddenly appear to be following on the footsteps of the very monster she gave her life to fight.

how she’d deal with it is ofc up to sylvanas. for the most part, it doesn’t change things heavily because in spite of that lor’themar wouldn’t withdraw from the horde. he has negative levels of trust in humans, thinks the alliance is in fact rather stupid to be following a child and is very aware that between the kaldorei and jaina there wouldn’t be much of a welcome to his people either.

that’s all to establish this is the important thing when he switches sides. couldn’t give a single fuck about sylvanas raising humans against their will, she’s been doing that for a while.

still! given he voices his opposition at the beginning, wouldn’t it make a lot of sense sylv sends him to nazjatar, given she was sending people to die? so yeah! sends him on the boat with nathanos to fight the alliance

he ends up in nazjatar, as he canonically does. ends up leading the horde forces there when nathanos fucks off to do his thing. gets to befriend thalyssra somewhat while there.

lor’themar’s decision to work with the alliance is one he does solely out of need. he won’t ever be truly friendly to jaina until she’s at least been held accountable for murdering his people in dalaran. walking away is a fine lesson and all ty taran zhu, but it’s not fair to his people that he let it go while jaina faced no consequences whatsoever.

on that note, vereesa can choke he’s never making amends with her ever

windrunners stop fucking things up challenge

anyways! back to bfa! he respects baine, but his imprisonment is really just the last drop, not what prompts switching sides on its own.

I just think it’s more fitting with him, as a character, to make this less about the horde and honor, given those are not the things that drive him as a character or even a leader.

ultimately it does lead him to the same realization that they can’t fight azshara and n’zoth or whatever while also still fighting the alliance, a goddamn lot of people already died in this war and keep it going will only make things worse, but sylv doesn’t care and is sending them to die and imprisoning those who oppose her so it’s time to switch sides ig

I know in canon he’s all like ‘I had hoped my old friend would see reason’ while talking to the PC but I think it’s also important to note that I don’t write lor’themar as being genuinely open towards anyone he doesn’t have some degree of trust towards. his feelings are private (and he often pushes them to second place when it comes to how he feels vs what must be done or just his job so). it’s not something he would speak of in general tbh unless prompted to, and even then it’d be more ‘I had hoped she’d never go that far’ more so than ‘hoped she’d see reason’

he really doesn’t feel guilty for saurfang dying idk what that was about

I maintain he’d very much be like ‘will you be warchief again, thrall?’ as soon as that was being discussed, because he won’t be warchief thanks but no thanks

is ok with signing the truce. keeping the war going is of no benefit to quel’thalas or the horde so

rip talanji but sometimes it be like that

he is very on board with the council idea. the sin’dorei have already suffered plenty under shitty warchiefs and the idea of a council making decisions instead is a big improvement on his opinion

thalyssra is a tentative friend at most. lor’themar doesn’t trust people easily to be quick in considering anyone friends fast. back in legion, he did not interact with her, liadrin did --- his friendship with her only begun after legion/early bfa, and while he does see her in a friendly manner, that’s it tbh

so like, I do not write him being in a relationship with her as canon has it

a moment in verse never happened

during what would be the shadows rising timeline he’d be very concerned with finding out what sylvanas is up to because she could be a threat to all of them and they have 0 clue what is her goal.

anything that happens in the book in regards to him specifically, too, I do not follow. he wouldn’t be the one to suggest open negotiations with kul’tiras (did I mention jaina never faced any consequences for what she did and that’s unfair to his people)

he’d take a very personal interest in the council to guarantee the best for the blood elves always.

the only way I can accept shaw’s spies catch him writing something like “My dusk lily bends more each day toward the sun.” is if he was aware he was being spied on and did that purposefully to give the alliance useless information tbh (and had a moment of lol what if I write some shitty poetry and make them think that’s how I spend my time)

other than that yeah no he’d not do that unironically

lor’themar can be very diplomatic if he wishes to be, and he’s not prone to being open with his thoughts/emotions when he’s acting as regent lord, and by extension as a member of the council. he can also be a bitch when he doesn’t think diplomacy is necessary.

he’s learned a lot being part of the horde, and definitely grew with it too. he certainly is a much more tolerant person he was in the past, and has come to see many of the other races in a different way than he used to. I do think he doesn’t want to leave the horde as he may have once, but his loyalty will always be first and foremost to the sin’dorei. his morals are not orc or tauren morals, and like, when it comes to do the honorable thing or what benefits his people, he’ll do what benefits his people. what I mean with all of this is: don’t expect my lor’themar to be crying about saurfang and yelling honor and holding hands with jaina kasndfkjsdfn

he also doesn’t look 5 thousands years old. let lor’themar be pretty like he deserves to be.

#* muse: lor'themar theron / SUNGUIDED.#* general: headcanons / WHO TELLS YOUR STORY?#* character study: lor'themar theron / THE SURVIVING‚ THE HEALING‚ THE REBUILDING.#it's purposefully close to canon to fit with things that happen and make things easier for us all #kasjndfkjsdnf #but from a character point of view it's enough to make him Not that thing he is in recent canon bc I do not like #I should proofread but I won't I'll just post if #it*#kajndfkjsndf #long post cw #I think the important things are all here? also there's considerable rambling and I cannot write an entirely Serious post to save my life #* out of character: the mun / THAT GLOOMY GIRL WHO SIGHS A LOT?

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some lor’themar headcanons about scars, from the old blog and tiny aditions

his obviously most noticeable scar is the one over his blind eye. this one he got during the scourge invasion when a zombie quite literally tried to claw his eye out.

he has several (really, he has lots of scars) minor scars in his arms, and some in his legs; some from fighting trolls and general rangering, some from wars. there’s one more noticeable in his sword arm and one in his left thigh, both from the scourge invasion.

there’s a variety of other scars spread throughout his back and abdomen, although he has more scars in his arms and legs. still, there’s scars of all shapes and sizes, some very minor, some very obvious, many from the fall, but a few older than that.

there’s one on his shoulder, from when escaping zul’jin. it was caused by one of the other trolls impaling his shoulder with the splintered wood of a spear after lor’themar shattered its shaft.

the worse scar he has isn’t usually visible. it is a long vertical slice that starts just below his navel, and he got it when zul’jin was torturing him. it’s deep enough that it caused him to lose lots of blood in a few minutes, but not deep enough that organs were severely damaged (which was ofc very purposeful as zul’jin meant to torture him, not to kill). although healed as soon as they arrived in silvermoon, the scar stayed.

he doesn’t mind any of them in the slightest, even though he does care for his looks. it’s just he doesn’t think they are in fact detrimental to it, and also that they’re something to be expected in his line of work. he would very much prefer to be out there rangering and getting some new scars than dealing with politics at any given time akdnkfjanf

#* muse: lor'themar theron / SUNGUIDED.#* character study: lor'themar theron / THE SURVIVING‚ THE HEALING‚ THE REBUILDING.#* general: headcanons / WHO TELLS YOUR STORY?#* out of character: the mun / THAT GLOOMY GIRL WHO SIGHS A LOT?#I have one for alleria too I need to find it

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@redeeming-sun said: 🍇🥝

𝐅𝐑𝐔𝐈𝐓𝐘 𝐇𝐄𝐀𝐃𝐂𝐀𝐍𝐎𝐍 𝐏𝐑𝐎𝐌𝐏𝐓𝐒 ♡ 𝐒𝐘𝐌𝐁𝐎𝐋 𝐌𝐄𝐌𝐄 // accepting.

🍇 : how would my muse describe their childhood? how much has it impacted the person they are now, or will become as an adult? around what age did they or will they start to mature, and why? do they wish to go back to their days as a child, or have they embraced adulthood?

Well, Tiffin’s childhood was great until it wasn’t asuhdfasidhf There’s a very clear line of before and after the First War, and I think on her part whenever childhood is mentioned she would think only of the before, so she would remember it fondly, and would describe it as being good.

As a little girl growing up in Westfall, she had a great time. Westfall was considered an important part of the kingdom, considering it was called the ‘breadbasket’ of Stormwind and it is also important because of the mines. Nowadays it has yet to recover from all the shit that happened there, but when Tiffin was little, it was thriving. Being a noble child from the family who ruled there, she was in a pretty comfortable position; and because her family was minor nobility, ascended to it through wealth, she ended up growing up much less restrained by rules and traditions and such (that and she not always cared to abide them, I think). She got to be a child, and do childish things, to indulge her love for the outdoors, to play and interact with other kids, even those she wasn’t really supposed to befriend. Of course she had certain duties, had to attend lessons and all, but she had a lot of freedom and lived very comfortably, and it was a pretty good childhood.

Things change a lot when the Horde attacks. Westfall fell to the Horde before Stormwind and Redridge, and well, that changes everything. Her home is ruined, her brothers go to war and two of them end up dead, her mother is killed in one of the many times they had to escape orcs, because they are some of those who are left behind due to not reaching Lothar in time to flee to Lordaeron. For Tiffin herself, I think she would consider her childhood ended when this started, so it doesn’t really count --- because there was no more room for being childish when survival was at stake. I don’t remember how old she’d have been then but I think it was something around eleven? So technically you could consider her late childhood counts here but Tiffin personally would not. Regardless, it is undoubtedly when childhood had to be left behind and she had to assume more responsibilities.

I think that time influences her more heavily than what she would define as her childhood, because the deep changes and suffered losses and everything she saw up close and lived through left undeniable marks that made her grow into someone even more caring and kind than she may naturally have been. The freedom she had as a child and how prone she was to being around all sorts of people surely had some influence on her, though, because Tiffin certainly values freedom a great deal, and she sees everyone as valuable and important, no matter their background, and this is something that does shape how she acts as a queen.

I don’t think she longed to go back to those days, as an adult; at least not in the sense of actually going back. She would sometimes wish for simpler things, and less responsibility and things and people who were lost, but I think that’s more about longing for those things than for her actual childhood -- something she definitely did, for a time, but not a long time. Mostly she simply remembers her childhood fondly.

🥝 : does my muse have any ‘ unusual ’ habits, interests, and / or talents? do they hide it, or are they proud of it?

Lor’themar doesn’t have anything really unusual as far as habits/interests/talents go? He’s basic and a lot of what he likes/is good at is related to the one thing he defines himself as the most, which is being a ranger. Even what isn’t tied to that I wouldn’t really describe as unusual? Regardless, any interests/habits/talents he has I don’t think he’d try to hide, but he wouldn’t really show it off either so knowing about it or not really only depends on how much you know him.

#* general: answered / DARK WINGS DARK WORDS.#* muse: lor'themar theron / SUNGUIDED.#* muse: tiffin ellerian wrynn / WILDFLOWER.#* character study: tiffin ellerian wrynn / BEAUTIFUL AND WILLFUL AND DEAD BEFORE HER TIME.#* character study: lor'themar theron / THE SURVIVING‚ THE HEALING‚ THE REBUILDING.#hi you get an essay about tiffin and two lines about lorthemar aksdjfnkajsdfn #redeemingsun

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Random hair headcanons because I had written some when talking about hair with Aera asidufniuw

Lor'themar’s hair is the nicest, easiest hair ever. It will look flawless even when he’s on ranger duty because it’s just naturally like that. It’s very long but very easy to maintain. Surely enough, he cares for it to an extent, but he never really needs to worry about his hair not looking good. People tend to want to touch it and he hates it — no one is allowed to other than people close to him. He’s always favored not keeping it completely loose, but he will sometimes, if rarely. Regularly, Lor'themar only really let’s it down when he’s like, entirely relaxed/not busy (hahaha never because that never happens anymore) and to sleep, and because his hair is so good and easy, it’s never a mess when he wakes up. His hair goes up to his waist; previously, he has worn it shorter (bellow shoulder length at most) and sometimes longer (not much more than waist length), but it’s always kept long.

Kelantir’s hair is long, being hip/tail bone length, and she keeps it up in one way or another practically the entire time. It is very very rare for her to let it down completely; during a work day it will always be in what is most practical, like a bun or tail, or at the very least half up, and to sleep she’ll braid it so it isn’t a complete mess when she gets up. Considering how unusual it is for her to just let it completely loose, there are maybe 3 people who’ve seen her like that kajsndfkajsdfn

Alleria’s hair is not super long nowadays, being kept at chest length more or less. It used to be super long when she was younger, though. Generally, Alleria’s hair varies a lot, be it in length or just how she wears it; usually she’ll stick with wearing it a certain way for a while, like the mostly-loose-with-a-single-braid she has now, until she decides it’s time to change it again. The hair length she currently has isn’t the shortest she’s ever worn; she probably cut her super long, classic length hair until it was like chin length as a teenager because that’s totally the sort of drastic change teen Alleria would have 100% done.

Tyrande’s hair is very easily manageable, and really doesn’t require much from her. While devs have said her hair color variations were her dying her hair, my headcanon for it is that she’s the sort of elf who is more easily affected by magical influences in a physically-altering way, and that manifests in her hair color; it was dark blue originally, when the kaldorei empire was a thing and arcane was the prominent magic surrounding them and from which their strength was drawn. It first begun changing when she entered the sisterhood of Elune, and Elune’s powers turned to be more of an influence on her, and a more direct one than the arcane (hence the silver streaks). It changed again once the Well of Eternity was destroyed, and kaldorei society shifted closer to nature/druidic magic upon reforming; that was when it became the teal, blue-green color it was for a long time and that it still is.

#this is a repost bc I wanted it neat #* general: queue / LINE OF SUCCESSION.#also bc I might delete the old blog #eventually #* muse: alleria windrunner / VOID TOUCHED.#* muse: lor'themar theron / SUNGUIDED.#* muse: kelantir bloodblade / BLOODFORGED.#* muse: tyrande whisperwind / MOONLIGHTED.#* character study: alleria windrunner / WILD AND WARM LIKE SUMMER.#* character study: lor'themar theron / THE SURVIVING‚ THE HEALING‚ THE REBUILDING.#* character study: kelantir bloodblade / BOTH HELL FIRE AND HOLY LIGHT.#* character study: tyrande whisperwind / MOON SOAKED AND DAWN FLAVORED.

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negative qualities : zodiac edition.

adapted from this post. bold what definitely applies to your muse. italicise what somewhat applies to your muse. repost, and do not reblog.

aries : tries to do everything at once, doesn’t know when to stop and take care of themselves, bends over backwards for everyone even if someone did them dirty, has entirely too much on their plate.

taurus : idealistic, spends a lot of time trying to impress others, doesn’t like to apologize, eating is a coping mechanism or just addictive personalities in general, a tad codependent.

gemini : the most flip floppy people ever, what’s today’s mood ?, never apologizes, in denial 90% of the time, their way is the highway, desperately needs a break, they have a hard time setting goals because their goals scare them.

cancer : the literal meaning of I’ll give you the shirt off my back, isolates themselves in fear of someone hurting them, wants to change but is scared of change, complains a lot but never takes advice people give them.

leo : no one takes them seriously because they feel they always have to portray themselves as the fun one, is actually really sad inside, honestly needs a hug, exhausted always.

virgo : can dish it but can’t take it, rushes everything, anxious, plans their future but forgets to live in the moment, sometimes ignores their friends because they have so much on their mind, talks about themselves a lot and sometimes forgets to ask the other person how they are.

libra : solves everyone’s problems but their own, is actually really sad and lonely, gets easily heartbroken but tries not to show it, will do anything to justify bad decisions, honestly just wants everyone to love them but doesn’t really love their self.

scorpio : easily set off, will give anyone the cold shoulder at any time even without reason, keeps a lot in, so observant that they often times find out things that hurt them, too many “what ifs” swirling in their heads, has trouble showing their true selves.

sagittarius : impatient, brash, commitment issues, body issues, doesn’t realize they don’t need to change for anyone, has a lot of different goals to a point where they get overwhelmed, just wants to disappear and do what they want without anyone questioning them.

capricorn : scared people won’t like them unless they’re at the top of their game 24/7, takes a LOT for them to talk about their feelings, secretly struggling, fake happy, needs a plan but doesn’t know what that plan is, confident but insecure at the same time, wants to be stable but sometimes wishes they could drop everyone’s expectations of them and live normally.

aquarius : gets heartbroken like 30 times a week, trust issues, can be unmotivated and disinterested, feels they have to adapt to every person they meet so they can be liked, doesn’t know how to tap into their emotions despite being very intuitive, confused, expects little.

pisces : empathetic often to a point of no return, plays the victim, doesn’t know when to say no, cynical, hermit, is very impatient, trusts everyone too much, can be secretly very critical and judgmental, can only tolerate maybe ten minutes of social interaction, needs a lot of validation.

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#* muse: lor'themar theron / SUNGUIDED.#* character study: lor'themar theron / THE SURVIVING‚ THE HEALING‚ THE REBUILDING.#* out of character: the mun / THAT GLOOMY GIRL WHO SIGHS A LOT?#in short tired sometimes too critical man has trust issues and too many responsibilities he doesn't want #aksndfkajndf

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