#...but clearly we need something; and clearly private charity isn't able to rise to the level to deal with it

[medicinemane]

Final thought, the cut off for any welfare program at minimum needs to be 150% of the poverty line (ie, the poverty like is $10 the cut off should be no lower than $15)

Cause the poverty line, one assumes, is the bare minimum we're saying everyone should be at, and surely welfare programs are supposed to be meant to help people below that

If you cut it off right at the line, then people aren't going to be able to get out of poverty, because any time they get close they're suddenly going to be on the hook for like $1000 or more between the various welfare they might be on, and honestly only a fool would push past that if pushing past it means falling back down again

150% at least means that they've got a chance that maybe now they're picking up the slack of all the stuff they're losing

#and listen you can say you don't trust the government with this shit and frankly neither do I #...but clearly we need something; and clearly private charity isn't able to rise to the level to deal with it #so I'd rather in one way or another reform things so it works #like listen... you get private charity taking care of this; I'll be glad to have been wrong #but you can't just be like 'well; if we had no taxes'; well that's not gonna happen; you gotta work within reality #if everyone behaved perfectly and was never corrupt that would be a great solution too; but that's not the world #anarchy will always devolve into a government; governments will always take taxes... rather work in the system we have than post collapse #so if you have another solution; I'm all for it... but it has to be systemic and self enforcing #(as in; laws must be written where a random judge can't twist it to do something heinous) #(the author of a bill won't always be in the room; you need to close loopholes so it has to be enforced how it's meant to be enforced) #in the end it's like this... the government is fucking awful; but some things require a big pot of money #this is exactly how insurance works too; get a big pot of money and pay out from that pot when 1 of the 1000 people has something go wrong #anyway... infrastructure; military; healthcare... these are all things that need a big pot of money #they have so many working parts that require consistent inputs that it doesn't work to just hope Joe Everyman comes in to buy $5 of road #eh... why bother talking? not like I'm gonna change any minds