#but isn't that basically the plot of Children of Dune?

[thephantomcasebook]

I truly dislike this phenomena, let's call it that, of changing a character from their book version and causing this domino effect that affects every other character and the plot in general.

Which is what I feel has happened to Chani in Dune Part 2. Her refusal to play along with Paul and Jessica's plot and her general indifference throughout, makes it so hard for me to foresee a situation in the future where she willingly reunites with her man and her mother-in-law.

I sure hope Denis Villeneuve knows what he's doing, because this change could create major complications in Dune Part 3.

But what do you think? And what scenarios do you have in mind for Chani to return to Paul? Do you also think this change could cause Irulan's book character to be different in the movie? 😬😬

It's hard to say, because, Chani is WA-AY different in the books and the ending is completely different and shatters a lot of future story beats in the books. They left a lot out about her character that makes her unique in order to serve the skeptic.

Chani, in the book, was a Sayyadina, a very senior Sayyadina. She was the under study for the Reverend Mother and would most likely be the next Reverend Mother of the Fremen if Jessica hadn't come along.

Chani is also the daughter of Dr. Kynes - Liet - who was basically the defacto leader of the Fremen at the time. So Chani was basically the Princess of the Fremen despite only being half Fremen. And thus her being a bit of an outcast among the native Fremen is why she and Paul bonded.

So being a Sayyadina and the daughter of Liet made her dyed in the wool believer of the Mahdi. If no other purpose than sharing her father's dream of returning Arrakis to a lush paradise.

Turning Chani into a fierce skeptic and basically taking from her all her deeply feminine and lovingly caring nature robbed her of a lot of interesting and unique character traits that she has in the book. They could've chosen anyone else to be a skeptic. Jessica, in the book, was the biggest skeptic and knew it was all bullshit. The problem was that Jessica wanted to protect her children. Also, in the book, which isn't addressed in the movie, is that Jessica is Paul's property.

Lady Jessica was purchased from the Bene Gesserit school by Leto's father for Leto when they were teenagers. From the day that the Old Duke bought Jessica for Leto, Jessica became property of the Ducal Household. Yes, she is Paul's mother. But, legally, Jessica is Paul's property after Leto's death. That's a big part of the book and why Jessica defers to Paul and allows Paul to dictate a lot of the things that are happening in "Dune" once the House of Atreides falls. Jessica is the bound concubine for life to the Duke of House Atreides - no matter who he is.

So, technically, from a legal standpoint, Jessica is actually Paul's concubine, which is classic Bene Gesserit (Spoiler Alert: Bene Gesserit sisters will marry and breed with their own sons if ordered to preserve or strengthen traits in House bloodlines.)

They could've made Jessica the skeptic - like she was in the book, give Chani Stilgar's devoted belief in the Mahdi, and show Stilgar being skeptical at first and then be turned into a fanatic by the end.

Also, Chani and Jessica don't like one another in the books either, never have and never will. She disliked Jessica all the way back when she thought Jessica was Paul's woman and she didn't stop disliking her once she found out that Jessica was his mom.

My theory is that the visions that Paul sees in the first movie of Chani trying to kill him is going to happen in Part 3. Irulan already has a large part in "Dune Messiah" of basically trying to get Paul to get her pregnant so that the Bene Gesserit can regain control of the Atries blood line ... also because Irulan is in love with Paul. A lot of things that happen in "Messiah" go through Irulan, and whether Chani has the same role or not, it won't effect Irulan's core story motivation, which is baring a Royal Heir and stopping at nothing to do it.

But right now, I don't see a path that they get to Leto II and Ghanima from where they ended.

For now, here is the best and GOATed adaption of "Dune Messiah" with the best and most fleshed out characterization of Princess Irulan and Alia ever put to screen.

#Dune #dune part 2 #Paul Atreides #irulan corrino #Chani #Lady Jessica #Dune Messiah #pauljessica

[random-thought-depository]

Brett Devereaux made an observation about Dune that I really like: that Paul Atreides and Feyd Rautha Harkonnen were probably raised with very similar values.

This isn't exactly a ship in the usual fandom sense of the word, but I think it'd be interesting to see this explored in an AU fanfic where Paul and Feyd Rautha somehow team up at the end of Dune.

I think what'd work really well for this is a scenario where Feyd Rautha somehow gets control over House Harkonnen and swears loyalty/vassalage to Paul, adding effective control over House Harkonnen to Paul's portfolio at the end of Dune.

I think that'd have really crunchy social and emotional dynamics that'd fit really well with the theme here. Paul has spent years hating the Harkonnens and seeking revenge on them for the death of his father and a lot of the surviving remnant of Paul's own house have pretty similar feelings, and now here's Feyd Rautha saying to Paul "The armies of my house await your orders, my lord," and Feyd and his Harkonnen buddies are now hanging out at Paul's court and hobnobbing with Paul and the rest of his court. If Gurney Halleck and Duncan Idaho are alive in this scenario I bet they'd hate this and there'd be some pretty tense moments when they have to collaborate with their Harkonnen opposite numbers.

Atreides and Harkonnen generals collaborating to plan the Jihad with kinda shitlib vs. MAGA chud vibe tension where the Atreides have thinking of themselves as the side of good as an important part of their self-image while the Harkonnens tend to be more casually bloodthirsty and sadistic but this is arguably more a difference in aesthetics than anything substantive, when crunch time comes they can put these cultural differences aside and collaborate surprisingly easily on shared goals because they're actually fundamentally similar people with fundamentally similar worldviews and values, molded by fundamentally similar institutions.

Feyd Rautha becoming one of Paul's closest subordinates and kind of his friend in a weird way cause they're actually fundamentally similar people and useful to each other.

I think Feyd is supposed to still be pretty young at the end of Dune, so this might work better if Paul is a bit less lucky in his campaign against the Harkonnens, delaying the events of the end of Dune by a few years but ultimately not preventing them, or something like that, IDK.

I think if I were writing this the closest I'd take this to shipping in the common fandom sense is Paul and Feyd end up kind of in a wife-loaning polycule with Irulan, though one that's asexual on Paul's side. Basically at some point Irulan and Paul have a conversation that's basically a more refined version of this:

IRULAN: "Hey, I'm tired of living a life of involuntary celibacy cause you need a political marriage to me but won't have sex with me because of your issues. Can you just wife-loan me to one of your right-hand men if you're gonna be so complicated?"

PAUL: "Fine, sure. The usual rules will apply: keep it on the down-low and don't get pregnant."

IRULAN: "Fine."

PAUL: "Did you have any candidates in mind? If not, might I suggest Utrecht or Hakim?"

IRULAN: "I AM NOT SLEEPING WITH AN UNBATHED DESERT BARBARIAN! ... Feyd is kind of hot, I guess... I'll take him!"

PAUL: "That arrangement would be perfectly acceptable to me. Pending Feyd's agreement, we have a deal. I'll discuss this matter with him tonight, after I've discussed with him the deposition of his house troops in the conquest expedition I'll be launching against the Megara worlds. I think he'll agree."

IRULAN: "Great!"

I have had one or two or three little ideas for a Dune fanfic but have never figured out what the plot would be. I suppose now if I ever actually write a Dune fanfic, it'll probably be about this premise.

I guess in a way it might be fridge brilliance that this didn't happen in the actual books, cause this is a lot like the relationship between Leto II and Farad'n at the end of Children of Dune and Farad'n reads to me as a mirror to Paul in the same way Feyd is, and the arc of the Dune novels up to God-Emperor of Dune is Leto II could do what Paul couldn't bring himself to do, so Leto II being able to co-opt Farad'n while Paul couldn't co-opt Feyd would fit with that.

#Dune #fanfic ideas

[thedumbassartist]

What is your WoF Special Needs Program AU about? Also, what disabilities do the Dragonets of Destiny have in this AU?

Thanks for asking, the basic idea is that it's like a kinda normal human wof au, except the Talons of Peace are a really really bad after school care/special needs program.

The DoD would be like young middle school aged kids during arc 1. They basically just got dumped in the program because their parents don't want to deal with their neurodiverce and disabled children.

Ask for what disabilities the DoD have ill list of them in book order and maybe give a lil sketch of how I think they look in the au. Note that I can't draw children in an accurate age range for the life of me.

Clay has dyslexia and mobility issues. He has a very hard time reading and completing his school work. Cattail didn't want to deal with this whatsoever so she just dumped him into the cheapest place that probably would help him. He is also prone to falling and gets scraped up often.

Tsunami had a lot of behavioral issues in school, and definitely has undiagnosed autism. She was prone to trying to fight other students. She would either try and show off fighting moves she learned on other kids and accidentally hurt them. Or she would get teased by older kids who would push her around or be really loud, not stopping until she forced them to. She would also get rough with her brothers which pushed Coral to drop her in an after school care program, since she didn't want to deal with all of her sons' complaining. Tsunami has special interests in wrestling, fighting/action movies, and the sea.

Glory is an absolute feral child. To be specific, unmedicated ADHD. She is considered very smart but she isn't able to function in her classes normally. Her teachers know she's able to do the assignments but she just doesn't, almost like she has more important things to do or being extremely sluggish. On top of that she is a menace turning breaks, consistently climbing things she shouldn't and disappearing at random. Glory's teachers and doctor are pretty much praying that her parents get her some meds. Unfortunately, Glory's parents are both extremely hands off and don't really believe in medicine promoted by doctors. The only reason that she is even in a proper school or the program is because her great aunt, Grandeur, is paying for it.

I have run out of sketches but we're not going to worry about that.

Starflight by all means is mentally okay, other than some anxious tendencies, he is very smart and used to do well in school. Keywords, used to. He is actively going blind. He can barely see images or words and has an extremely hard time navigating new areas. And the only reason that Starflight is in the program is because Mastermind knows and trusts Morrowseer, who created the program.

Sunny was put into the program not only because of her autism but also because Thorn trusted Dune a lot, and thought the program would be a good choice for Sunny. Especially because Thorn is very busy and has no one else to watch her daughter. Sunny is considered strange to a lot of adults, mainly because she is partially nonverbal. It is rare to see her ever talk to an adult she doesn't know and only fully communicates with other kids, her parents, and Dune (because he's known her since she was a baby). She is honestly the least high-maintenance of the five, being able to keep herself safe and not getting hurt when left alone.

That's about all I have for them so far but if anyone wants to know more about specific characters or plot points then your free to send me an ask

#wof #wings of fire au #wings of fire #wof au

[nitewrighter]

Wait why do they need a hallucinogen to safely navigate space in dune?

*gasp*

LET ME TELL YOU... ABOUT MY WONDERFUL SPECIAL BOYS...

THE SPACING GUILD NAVIGATORS.

So a major facet of Dune's world-building is that it's taking place after an event called "The Butlerian Jihad"--sometime after humanity colonized space, there was a massive purge of "Thinking Machines"--we completely wiped out all computers and AI. "But Nite," you're saying, "We need computers to do so many things! How the fuck are people in Dune functioning without computers?! I mean they're in fucking space!!!"

Well, fun fact! A lot of the technology in Dune is in fact, analog! We're talking like weird fucked up mutant children of clockwork and VCR-core! It's wild stuff! Some factions in Dune (like the Tleilaxu) probably have computers and robots hidden away somewhere, but AI is a HUGE taboo in the Dune Universe.

"But wait, we still need computers to calculate stuff."

Well yes, and that's where Mentats come in.

Mentats are humans who have been conditioned from a young age to basically... do what computers do. They can run rapid calculations, store insane amounts of memory, and combine human logic with perfect calculation to advise and instruct.

But there are some calculations that even Mentats can't handle, and that's where my special special boys the Spacing Guild Navigators come in:

See... the thing about Spice in Dune is it isn't just a hallucinogen. It literally expands consciousness--it makes you no longer perceive time linearly-- so spacing guild navigators have conditioning similar to mentats, but this is paired with being dosed with massive amounts of Spice until it mutates their bodies into fucked up fish people and they can't survive outside of a spice-infused tank. So that combination of pinpoint accuracy calculating capabilities with a mind that has been bombarded with so much Space Acid you can plot out the movements of celestial bodies results in a being who can calculate safe FTL travel through the stars!! That's a fucking person in that tank!! It's so fucked up!! I love them!!! And that's how Dune uses Spice to safely navigate space!! That's why Spice is vital to space travel!!!

#Dune #Spacing Guild #body horror cw