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#hes my fav member of the clash bc im a sick sick sick person
hoodienanami · 4 months
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Tell us some facts about The Clash that would make the average punk on here hurl 👀👀 pretty please I love all that juicy old drama
LMAO i dont have anything actually super bad bc overall the clash was a band made up of nice decent guys....tho i do have a nice picture of paul simonon in an ss uniform (that features some marxist badges on it the same way the sex pistols' anarchy shirts had marx on one side and a swastika on the other)
the picture is for an interview in sounds magazine btw. speaking of that sounds magazine interview, i like this bit of it
Some people think Bernie used you as a political mouthpiece. That reminds me of once when I was talking to Viv of the Slits and it was the time that Malcolm was doing something with them and we were talking about being Malcolm's puppets. She just said, 'At Least it's better than being Rhodes' puppets'. Bernie never told us what to say. He just told us to stop singing songs like 'She's Sitting At The Party'. He said toss that fucking song out of the repertoire, write something else. It was great to meet him. Along comes this guy who says "Think about what you're doing, have something worth taking out there. Don't just shamble out there". And it was great… we don't really have a relationship like that with him anymore . . . still, everything changes. But is there still a mutual trading of respect? Yeah, on good days. On bad days, there ain't much of anything. How do you feel now about the treatment of you as a working-class hero? Do you think it was a fair representation? Yeah, I do. Well, you certainly don't come from any poverty-stricken background. Yeah, but it's not where you come from. It's where you've been, what you've been through. If you just stood on your own two legs, do it that way, then it don't matter where you come from 'cos you learn all the lessons and you get wise, just 'cos you have to, to survive. Songs like 'White Riot' were written walking along the street in my head…endlessly. (x)
what i like about this interview is that is shows how well spoken and intelligent joe was. its also is a rare case of him readily admitting in an interview that hes not working class and yet consciously represents himself as such
joe strummer was a man from a wealthy background and a good education who pretended to be working class for creditably. i dont think badly of him for doing this and i dont think it makes him a bad person. i just acknowledge that its a thing he did. personally i think hes got a good point about it being your life experiences that truly makes you who you are and how you were raised is only part of that. but i also think that fans of joe and the clash should know that hes not the working class hero he hinged most of his brand on being
(also for those wondering who bernie is: thats the clash's manager. weird guy. very politically active. you can read more about his relationship with joe here)
i think its important to say that i have nothing against the clash. i like to give them a hard time but its out of love. theyre one of my favorite bands and i love reading about them. what i dont love is the obsessive mythologization and lionization of them that leads to the obscuring and twisting of the truth
by ironing out all of the stuff that doesnt fit the myth of the clash or the myth of joe strummer, we dont just loose the truth! we loose part of what makes the clash such a fascinating and impactful band!
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icharchivist · 5 years
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I know i will end up loving Banri eventually, since it’s very hard for me to dislike anyone, and i know he gets development and i’m sure he’ll be better down the line (just like Tenma was as well) but he’s unsufferable for now.
Like.... The ones that gives a bad start are mostly Masumi, Tenma and Banri in their bands it seems. We’ve seen Masumi’s growth and Tenma’s so i expect the same for Banri’s.
But by god Banri you better really work to win me over from that point.
I don’t have strong feelings over Masumi (except that i find him too stalkerish), but i do have strong feelings about Tenma and I feel like the Banri situation can compare but not quite - i’ve seen people tend to dislike the two at the begining but...
Tenma was an idiot - still is but shush - but it came from him being socially inept. It becomes clear as it goes that the guy doesn’t have friend, probably stayed most of his life listening to what his strict, violent and absent parents dictated for him (yes i’m not fucking over the fact his father fucking punched him in the eye for refusing a movie deal) and it seems he always had this very strict way to see things. 
He grew as a leader specifically bc he was the kind to see everyone’s fault, but once he realizes that he has to mention their pros too, he helps everyone bloom. 
His douchery in the begining are mostly him sliping into this sort of habit of being socially unable to communicate what he means, that he believes failure will bring him mockery and/or violence, and he takes it on the others without realizing because he has no notion of social barrier.
And his duality with Yuki specifically work on that because Yuki always calls him out but also send clear messages when Tenma is improving that this is indeed the way to go. Since Yuki’s sass is also humorous and they’re a team that is based on comedy anyway, after a bit the banter just become part of their dynamic, not something where they’re actively fighting.
but even early on they weren’t fighting per se, Yuki just called out Tenma in colorful way and Tenma’s reaction was generally “what the fuck did you just say” but it never escalated. And the few times Tenma actually crossed the lines (with Muku, with Kazunari) he tooks the specific time to apologize sincerely for that.
Tenma grew so so much and he still has a lot to learn. But he’s blooming thanks to the Summer troupe. 
And in a way every member of the summer troupe is somewhat socially inept. Yes, even Mister McSocial Kazunari who actually spells out that his behavior is because he’s terrified that if he expresses a personal opinion people would shut him out. They’re all very bad at being social in this team and that clashed in the begining, but that’s why they worked.
I expect just as much development from Banri, hopefully,
but so far the reason Banri is a douche are an inferiority complex over a guy he had never met before and he had done nothing but trying to humiliate said guy in order to provoke a fight.
Like it’s really hard to see Banri and Juza’s fights as banters. Banri is just unnecessarely mean and Juza doesn’t know how to react to them. They’re just incredibly lucky that Sakyo, Omi and Taichi are that good at damage control and know when to stop them. 
I was laughing at every banters between Yuki and Tenma because Tenma generally had them coming even if he didn’t provoke them on purpose, but they never escalated and they were witty enough for them to be in good terms.
But everytime Banri say something to Juza i feel super sick.
And it isn’t even comparable to how Tenma talked down on Muku and Kazunari those few times, Tenma didn’t know how bad his words could impact them or reacted on impulse, and each happened at best TWICE (and as i mentioned Tenma apologized sincerely for all of that), Banri is doing all of that on PURPOSE trying to provoke Juza and i honestly started to lose count at this point, there were 5 in one conversation just now and I feel horrible for Juza.
MC and Sakyo both decided that Banri and Juza should share a room and MC mentions “well looking at how Tenma and Yuki got used to each other it’s probably going to work for them too” but Tenma and Yuki at least knew better than to *actively provoke each other*. Which is the contrary of Banri who only joined the troupe to humiliate Juza.
I’m CERTAIN Banri will prove me wrong, that i’ll end up adopting him, i see exactly the flaws he needs to work on (to just assume everything comes easy for him, that he doesn’t have to put passion in it ect... and since he will become the team leader i TRULY HOPE he takes a page on Tenma’s book on how to be a good one who takes into account the pros and cons of his team)
But for now while i joked about Tenma “catching those hands” early on, I’ve never, ever felt as angry against Tenma as i am right now against Banri.
Anyway. Prove me wrong boy. I love douchebags that grow into me, so prove me wrong so i can forget how badly you treated Juza in the begining alright. Fix your relationship with Juza while at it please. Thank you.
EDIT OF A FEW MONTHS LATER: anyway now he’s one of my fav character i’m boo ooh the fool he’s great, he grew so much, and im so proud of him you go Banri, and it’s even better knowing how far he’s come. love u Banri
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