#not to mention both the game tooltip and the actual rulebooks STATE itll turn people hostile if they find out even if you were like

[pigeonliker420]

it is so funny to see non dnd people talking about the utility of the charm/friends spells saying its unfairly disadvantaged and being upset that npcs get mad its used on them cos like. its literally an evil spell there is no good use of it its the ultimate violation of someones agency and ability to choose

#its in a similar vein to love potions etc enchantment on people is like. evil at its root #use it as an evil character and enjoy the effects or use it in a fight where it dont matter since theyre already mad. and youre like. killi #them anyway. but dont pretend you can use it randomly and still be a good person #theres a reason the stereotype of the charm spell user is a sleazy bastard #not to mention both the game tooltip and the actual rulebooks STATE itll turn people hostile if they find out even if you were like #completely unable to comprehend what sort of moral implications were there #idk i just dont see how someone reads 'forces someone to like you despite their natural inclinations' and thinks 'this is a nice and normal #spell to use' #if u are capable of understanding the whole 'vampire spawn has to listen to the orders of the vampire no matter what and its distressing' #thing that astarions putting down how do u miss how fucked up the charm spells are #i am only thinkig about this cos fucking han got charmed by the harpy again and i forgot how to end it so i googled and got the stupidest #threads