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blundergato · 7 years

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ebbywaffle replied to your post “i want to complain about super.”

Super sucks, not quite in the same way GT sucks, but it’s Not Good

This is going to be really long because I’m gonna rant about EVERYTHING.

i was talking to friends where i made a claim that super is probably just as bad as GT was.

but it was a really ignorant thing for me to say because i honestly havent seen GT since...late high school, early college, so i dont remember the levels of bad that it hit.

They both have the same issue in having really cool concepts and craptastic execution. Super Saiyan 4 (way cooler design wise than Super Saiyan Blue or God), the idea of the Tuffles gaining revenge on the Saiyans, the dragon balls actually turning on the heroes for once, etc., but none of it was done well, the show had massive pacing issues despite being only like...64 episodes long and it was just generally boring.

Super has really cool concepts that it usually fails to do in satisfying way, though it has hit the mark at times. The Zamasu arc was a whole lot of nonsense, but it was so fast paced and fun that it was really easy to look past how ridiculous it was because RULE OF COOL.

Trunks going into that weird ultra transformation and stomping holes in the ground was one of the hypest moments in the series. Trunks getting to slice Zamasu in half with the spirit sword while delivering an awesome hero speech was SO SICK. Super Saiyan Blue Vegito was awesome! Bulma apparently creating bullets strong enough to bother god level beings is sick. I loved that Mai, a minor character from freakin Dragon Ball, played a major role. I adored the expansion of the Kaio/god of destruction lore.

Beerus destroying Zamasu is one of the single coolest scenes in all of Dragon Ball.

Almost everything else that has been story relevant has been...well...bad.

The highlight of Dragon Ball Super are usually the “filler” episodes where there’s no fighting. Seeing Goku be a grandpa and Piccolo be an uncle. Watching Gohan be in a movie. Seeing Krillin and 18′s general home life. The episode with Arale kicking everyone’s ass because she’s a gag character and therefore not bound by any sort of power was wonderful. Bulma gathering the dragon balls and everyone crashing her party was really funny. I love the little moments where we get to see these characters outside of the usual “oh no the earth is doomed” scenarios.

But anything with plot relevance usually falls flat on its face, mostly because EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF ZAMASU HAS BEEN A TOURNAMENT ARC, or a worse retelling of the movies.

The tournament arcs feel like the Garlic Junior saga to me. They have to make it so a bunch of garbage jobbers somehow stand a chance against a god-tier cast and the fights end up being snooze-fests while also making some characters look absolutely terrible (Mr. Boo and Piccolo, I’m looking at you).

And some episodes that had potential to be great ended up being really flat. There was an episode where Krillin was dealing with self doubt because of the trauma he has from being killed in the past. I think the idea of this is so freakin’ good and they toyed with it when Freeza attacked Earth at the beginning of Super where Krillin was scared to fight even though he was definitely way stronger than any of Freeza’s grunts.

The later episode is about him regaining his confidence. But it’s just so...flat and boring. I want to see Krillin triumph so much because Krillin is the coolest, but this episode was just so uncreative and it felt rushed, not to mention that the animation was terrible. There were some cool touches, like having Tambourine, the first villain to kill him, make an appearance, but nothing really came of it.

Of course, that’s not even getting into the absurd power creep in this show. Dragon Ball has had this problem for a long time, but it’s extra awful in Super. Krillin holding a beam battle against SSB Goku. Android 17 somehow fighting evenly with SSB Goku. Piccolo powering up all the way to a level where he can hurt Ultimate Gohan. Freeza keeping up with every one else’s power levels because he “mind trains” in hell. It’s all nonsensical trash garbage that only ends up making every single character look bad.

If SSB Goku is already stronger than Hit and can hurt him, then why doesn’t using Kaioken instantly vaporize Hit the second Goku touches him? If Goku was holding back in that beam battle against Krillin, why did he even go Blue in the first place? Why would he go Blue and then drop his power level by like a factor of bazillion to go easy on Krillin? Just stay in your base form? Why does Goku say that he’s trying to conserve energy during the universal tournament by not going Super Saiyan, when he showed during the Cell saga that he can stay in Super Saiyan form for literal DAYS without tiring? Why does Goku say he’s trying to conserve energy but then immediately go Blue to knock some jobbers out of the ring with a giant energy blast? Why is Tien in this show? How did Roshi not get insta-murdered the second Goku laid a hand on him? How did Roshi DEFEAT Tien, a character whose been stronger than him since his freakin’ introduction? How does Freeza have a henchman that is apparently stronger than first form Cell? Why couldn’t Piccolo beat Frost easily, when Frost is around the strength of Freeza at his original appearance and Piccolo, by this point, is AT LEAST as strong as first form Cell? How did Gohan’s power level drop so dramatically that he struggled to reach even regular Super Saiyan? How did he even lose his Ultimate power in any case as that wasn’t really a transformation in the first place? How did Krillin and Goku get bruised/hurt by bullets, when Goku was tanking bullets in his first appearance in Dragon Ball issue ONE, and Krillin probably has the power to obliterate the planet a few times over?

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And the last thing I’m going to bring up is character design in Super. Outside of Beerus and Whis, most of the new character designs in Super are not that great. Hit and Jiren, two new heavy hitters i think have really boring, cookie cutter designs, especially Hit. He looks like a Frankenstein monster cobbled together with design elements from all of the previous Dragon Ball villains. Or like a shitty purple Namekian. His power is cool, but his design is wackadoodle. I think Jiren is actually not that bad, but I hate his “ears”, the same ears given to every goddamn alien character since Freeza (think about it). Though I actually kind of dig how he looks like the stereotypical alien. 👽

The new Saiyan characters from Universe 6...I HATE Caulifla’s and the boy’s general design. They just look badly drawn. Caulifa’s body proportions look all over the place (her waist looks like it’s imploding in on itself) and her hair is just out of control and the boy’s face looks like it belongs in a “how to draw anime” book. Kale’s design is good though.

Frost is a boring design. The three wolf dudes they fought in the boring pre-Universal tournament arc tournament arc were laughably awful. All the jobbers in the Universal Tournament look trash. Outside of a couple, the God’s of Destruction are uninspired. A lot of the Kaio’s designs are really same-y.

It’s like all of their creative juice went into Beerus and Whis, two undeniably amazing character designs and they just had none left for the rest of the new characters.

Whew, okay rant over mostly.

#ebbywaffle #DBS

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